tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN June 15, 2012 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
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you what you did? don't you know what you did? >> i know what i did. and i have told all of you repeatedly what i did and now i'm going to quit talking -- >> notice where the president is right there, president reagan. donaldson doesn't approve of monroe's shouting today it he tells "the washington post," i never interrupted any president while he was making a formal presentation of any sort, you don't do that, do you? i worked alongside him for a long time. he understood respect matters. have a great weekend, mary. that's all for us tonight. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. the president makes an mvp-like political move that leaves republicans flat footed. is it the best policy for our country? and the united states catches a high level chinese spy who was working right under our noses. and new evidence in the george zimmerman case. jailhouse conversations recorded and more. let's go "outfront." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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"outfront" tonight. backed into a corner. [ cat meows ] it's an awful noise, whenever you hear it. republicans are the cats today. that's the sign of the republicans hissing like an angry cat cornered by the neighborhood dog. why? the president's order. allowing eviden ining immigrant age of 30 to stay in this country with two year work visas. those workers can be renewed unlimited times. >> this is a temporary stop-gap measure that lets s us focus ou resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven patriotic young people. it is the -- it is the right thing to do. >> but does it add up? yes. resoundingly so. that is when it comes to politics. the order effects 1.4 million immigrants. or about 12% of the illegal
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immigrants in this country. that's according to the pew center. but there is one person it affects more than anyone else. and that person is the president of the united states. the national association of latino officials estimates that 12 million latino voters will go to the polls in november. that's 26% more than voted in 2008. the president won the latino vote handily back then. he's had some problems with them in part because of his immigration policy. this move could help him big time. the most path ethic part about the story today is the republicans, cats hissing in the corner, only have themselves to blame. they gave the president the upper hand. >> i said time and time and time again to congress, send me the dream act, put it on my desk, and i will sign it right away. >> all right, well, republicans have kept the democrat's version of the dream act on hold for a few years.
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now, sure, they don't like some parts of it. like illegal immigrants receiving in state tuition. but many of them agree with its basic premise. which is that students who are in this country illegally but not by their own fault shouldn't be deprived of an education and a job and, frankly, that those children, young adults, will end up contributing to this country's growth. >> the general concept is to use the existing system and provide for these kids a nonimmigrant visa. to be able to study and work in this country. >> if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they've been brought there, by no fault of their own, i don't think you have a heart. >> and in april, republican darling marrco rubio tipped his hat by saying he was work on his own version of the dream act.
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today, there is still no bill. and now republicans are left cats hissing in the corner. i'm sure you don't love our analogy. when you hear rick perry, you hear marco rubio talk about what seems to be pretty close to what the president did today, are you frustrated your party may have handed the president this political victory? >> no, i'm frustrated the president and a lot of other people in washington won't come down to the border and see what i've seen growing up on the border. i grew up with two houses between my childhood home and the mexican border. and i've seen every time the politicians play games with this and go for votes people get the wrong message. down south. and try to come into this country illegally. i've recovered their bodies. i'm the only member of congress who have rescued illegals when they're drowning. recovered their bodies and seen them slaughtered on the highways. this is a game most people in washington don't realize the human cost of sending this mixed message. if somebody wants to talk about this issue, you're still talking
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about symptoms of the problem. and the problem is we continue to reward people who are hiring illegals that make -- that inentice them to come up. noresithe pnt is saying if you send your kids up here, if you give your kidso a smuggler and send them to the united states, we will accommodate them. we will give them a job. we will give them an education. we wonder why so many people are dying along the border. i ask some of you back on the east coast, come down to the border and talk to those of us who have seen what happens when the politics play politics with something that ends up costing people's lives down here on the border. because you're sending a mixed message. think about what a young mother thinks about the president saying i am now officially going to say if you're under 30 years old, you can be -- you can get permanent residency and education in the united states. what do you think that young mother is going to think? >> you make a strong case. there are many in your party,
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including rubio, perry, governor of a border state, who believe that this makes a lot of sense. you heard rick perry, you don't have a heart. a lot of these kids came with their parents. 5, 4, 3 years old. they're now 20 years old. this president applies this only to people who aren't convicted of crimes. who have high school degrees or equivalents. who have served in the u.s. military. these are the kinds of people we want here. the bill would give visas to children of illegal immigrants. very similar to the metrics i just expressed to barack obama. are you against the concept overall? >> look, i'm against the concept of not taking care of the problem but, rather, playing politics with it. if you want to take care of the problem, rubio, i don't case the president, i don't care. perry. let's go to the source. let's stop rewarding illegal employe employers. how about the federal government stop giving a tax deduction to the people who hire illegals? how about simple thing like why isn't e-verify being accepted?
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even the president admits it works. the problem is because it does work. because they would rather address these symptoms of the much deeper problem -- >> but the bill's been sitting on the floor for several years. some of those elements were in the bill that's there. it wasn't voted on. that's why he did this today. >> erin, the problem is, you're talking about how do we accommodate the illegal immigration before we stop it and control it so then we can address it across the board? but this attitude of we've got to figure out how do we accommodate the problem? but let's not talk about the problem. because the real source of the problem are big contributors. very influential process. when, in fact, you're continuing to treat the symptoms. let me tell you something, you want to see the symptom, you come down and see the people who are dead on the border. that's the real symptoms of the problem. >> i'm sure seeing that is horrific. obviously there are many more people. there are 11 million, 12 million illegal immigrants in this
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country. what about the president's record here? he has a very strong record on being tough on immigration. that's why he scored such political points today. he's deported 30 more people every year than president george w. bush did. he deported 400,000 people this year and last year. he's got drones going on the border. you can't say he hasn't been tough on getting rid of people coming in. >> erin, i've had immigration officers come into my office and are saying that this administration, this president, is telling them not to enforce the law. that they are in a catch-22, that they have a commander in chief that's telling them to not enforce the law that they're sworn to enforce. that's from i.c.e. agents. somebody ought to be talking to the men and women who are being required to enforce these policies and their frustration of going in with a search warrant and only being able to take the people that they are identified but not even been able to ask for identifications
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for other people that are in safe houses. this is the kind of frustration these agents are getting. again, it may be fine if you're from chicago to think this is okay. it's okay maybe if you're in florida. let me tell you something, if you're down on the border and see what's going on, your frous frustration is washington would rather try to win votes with this issue then take care of the issue. and try to defend the concept that we're a nation of laws that need to be fairly enforced but need to be enforced. i think what you're seeing now is a problem that -- it's a political maneuver. if it was so right to be done, why didn't he do it before? >> well, because congress, republicans and democrats, you guys wouldn't get together and deal with the deep act he had, that's why he did it. sure he did it for politics but he just scored some big points. thanks very much to the congressman. "outfront" next, what was mitt romney's reaction to the president's announcement? we'll play it for you. there are thousands of spies
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in america tonight spying for china. there are more chinese spies in this country than there were russian spies at the height of the cold war. what are they looking for? and, later, the defense in the jerry sandusky case plans a bold move tonight. he tell us why it doesn't add up. [ male announcer ] now you can swipe...
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unnamed sources tell reuters the official has been arrested. we don't know if he's in custody. we don't actually even know if he's still alive. reuters reports the spy was an aid to a vice minister at the highest level of government in beijing. he had been working for the cia for years. he studied espionage in china and the u.s. for probably just as many years if not moe. he's "outfront" tonight. gordon, great to see you. this is amazing because it's something apparently that has come to the president of china, hu jintao, is upset about this, aware of this. i mean, this was a guy who was a deputy for one of his key vice ministers. how important of a spy was this for the u.s.? >> you know, very important. the reason we know that was it is guy got caught. he gave us so much information. so many chinese rings were compromised. agents were taken off the line. so essentially they knew they had a mole high up in beijing and that's the reason why we know this guy was significant. >> and so what sorts of -- kinds
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of information would he have known? he was in a security part of the government. other than the identities of chinese spies in the u.s.? >> we really don't know at this point. it's probably all terms of espionage activities in the u.s. that's a really very broad category. they've got something called grains of sand. they're also using tourists, visitors, journalists, students in the u.s. they take all this information. they bring it back to beijing. they collate it there. they get a good picture of us because there's many different sources they're using. >> this is a shock number you had. i think viewers are going to be shocked too. you're saying there's more people spying for china in the u.s. now than there were russian spies in the u.s. at the height of the cold war? >> i think so. essentially, u.s. law enforcement officials have publicly said china's espionage efforts are more extensive than those of any other country. and i'm sure that the country in second place, which is undoubtedly russia, is so far behind.
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you know. so really -- >> of course they have the sexy spies and all that, but those spies -- >> oh, chapman. >> anna chapman. they seem to be, you know, they seem to be happy to live in the u.s., they don't seem to be really spying. >> right. i think with regard to china, it is very important -- narrative here is beijing is losing control of some of its officials. because the country is fraying. and these officials want to build bridges to the u.s. the way to do that is to work for us. as china continues to show signs of problem, you know, we saw this guy, police chief, in february, tries to defect to the u.s. i think that's a leading indicator. >> of what's going on. an amazing study this week in a hong kong magazine. 91% of the people serving in the chinese central communist party have family members living overseas. i always try to say, why would you spy for another country. i mean, maybe if you have family members, children, going to school in the u.s., living in the u.s., and you're somehow more sympathetic? >> i think so. you go down to princeton.
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the perfect american family. the wife. the kids. beautiful home. no mortgage. two mercedes. two car loans. a perfect american family. the only thing missing is dad because dad is an official in beijing and he's probably trying to steal a lot of money. so, you know, when the time comes, who is that guy going to be loyal to? is he going to be loyal to china? probably not. he's going to be loyal to the place where his family is. >> wow. that's pretty amazing. thanks very much to gordon chang. still "outfront," jerry sandusky. today's ruling could be a major boost for the defense. and later, listen to this, forced to lay off hundreds and hundreds of thousands of americans, maybe even a million american, the friday before the presidential election. they say those two things are completely unrelated. we said does that add up, and we did the math. [ male announcer ] this is the at&t network...
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the stand. according to our paul kallen. he's "outfront" tonight. the ruling here is histrionic personality disorder. that the judge is going to allow experts to come in on that. you're pretty surprised this was allowed. >> well, i am surprised. this is not an insanity defense. he's not saying i have hpd and therefore can't commit this crime. the judge is saying, i'm going to allow him to use it to explain some of his odd behavior. what experts will call the grooming behavior. as he gets these kids ready and sends them letters. experts say that's classic sexual predator grooming behavior. they're going to say no, no, he has hpd and he likes to draw attention to himself and act seductive. >> acting or looking seductive. you're saying because in pennsylvania they do not usually allow this sort of testimony at all in sexual defense cases, that would mean -- the judge has set the standard. maybe you would allow pedophile
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experts. >> i'm thinking this looks like a big win for the defense. i think this might be a big loss for the defense. because they may open the door to allow the prosecutor now to call his own expert. you know, the judge said, all right, you want to put this expert testimony on, we're going to let you, prosecutors, expert, examine sandusky. let's say that expert says he doesn't have hpd, he's a pedophile. he sent the letter because he wants to take another little boy into the shower. so this could be a disastrous move by the defense ultimately if the judge lets the prosecutor call speshthsthe experts. >> there's been a lot of criticism of the defense. legal experts have been critical of the fact he did that interview with nbc's bob costas. let me play that to remind all of you. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underaged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underaged boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted, you know,
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i enjoy young people, i -- i love to be around them. i, i, i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> that of course was jerry sandusky on the phone. and then his attorney tried to explain why sandusky would shower with young boys and here's what he said. >> teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 would sound strange to some people but actually people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body. >> i'm stunned by it every time i see it. i mean, yeah. the defense is that he's teaching underprivileged boys how to take showers when they're 12 years old. >> and put soap on their body. >> and put soap on their body. the first scene is also stunning. bare in mind, amendola is not sitting next to his client to say, you know, jerry, please,
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wait -- >> the lawyer you saw sitting next to bob costas. >> instead, his client's on the telephone just answering costas' questions. you hear that painful hesitation when he says, well, i love -- >> probably the most painful hesitation -- >> i'm wondering now, he takes the stand, oh, my god, what can we expect, it's going to be quite a day. >> all right. well, this is going to be -- >> he says he has histrionic personality disorder. he wants to draw attention to himself. what better way to do that than take the witness stand? so if he's really got this illness, we're going to see a demonstration of it next week. >> paul callan, thank you. mitt romney should be way ahead of the president in the polls when you look at a few crucial statistics about this country right now. but something about his strategy isn't adding up. then, the violent conclusion to the manhunt for a doctor accused of murdering his ex-girlfriend. this man is about to be the millionth customer.
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manhunt officially over tonight. the body of timothy jordan was found in a heavily brushed area is home in upstate new york. with what police say was a single self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. he was the subject of a manhunt is after his ex-girlfriend was found shot and killed with what was described as military precision. during a press conference, buffalo police commissioner daniel dorenda said authorities had a good indication yesterday jordan committed suicide but weren't ready to report it. he was a doctor in the buffalo area. a jetblue captain who had to be restrained by passengers during a flight has been deemed to be mentally flirt it to stan trial. it was a flight from las vegas on march 27. it was diverted to texas after he started ranting obscenities and had to be locked out of the cockpit. the passengers that day who were
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on their way, law enforcement professionals on their way to a conference. that's part of the reason passengers were able to restrain him so quickly. according to the court order, the judge said that the man is mentally competent, he's able to understand and does understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him and he's able to assist properly in his defense. the man has been charged with interfering with a flight crew. he could face 20 years in prison convicted. we're getting more insight now into the days leading up to facebook's rather problematic ipo. after the social networking site filed for its offering in february, the securities and exchange commission followed up with an extensive list of requests for additional information. they wanted more information on privacy. and how a lot of people, a lot of fake users, reasare on that . today was also the day facebook responded to shareholder lawsuits about the ipo. the company blamed the nasdaq
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for glitches on its first day of trading. said it did nothing wrong when it had conversations with bank analysts about problems with its marketing revenue before it went public. remember the apple 1 we told you about yesterday? it sold today and, get ready, $374,500. we had told you the range was high end of $180,000. so that's pretty incredible. the apple 1 is one of only six that still work. souther we sotheby's tells us two potential buyers duked it out. i think we should have it an auctions. that would be really, really great. okay. it's been 316 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. you know we're getting a lot closer to the one year mark. i started wondering if it would be possible to get our aaa back. it is possible. one of the countries that did it
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is our neighbor to the north. ♪ o canada oh, yes, canada. it lost its aaa in 1992. it took those canucks ten years but they fought and they fought and they fought. they heard it every night on some tv show. and in 2002, they got it back. god, i hope it doesn't take that long. all right, our fourth story "outfront." listen carefully to mitt romney on today's immigration announcement. >> i believe the status of the young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered and should be solved on a long-term basis so they know what their future will be in this country. i think the action the president took today makes it more difficult to reach that long-term solution because an executive order is of course just a short-term matter. it can be reversed by subsequent presidents. i'd like to see legislation that deals with this issue. >> yeah so we let that trail off, because he went on for
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another 30 seconds, just for the record, that was 27. and we're still not completely sure what he said. which made us wonder if mitt romney's communication strategy is adding up. because here's the thing, unemployment right now is 8.2%. it was 4.4% at the peak for this economy. housing prices have plunged in the economic crisis. down a third since 2006. consumer confidence has dropped 40% since the peak. i could go on. industrial production, durable goods. you name it. it's not back to where it was before when things were good. before this president was in office. you would think the incumbent in this election would be incredibly vulnerable. look at this, it's a dead heat. all of the major polls have the president and mitt romney essentially tied within the margin of error. the vague statements may be hurting him. >> i know why we're involved in afghanistan. i know what it's going to take for us to be successful and to bring our troops home.
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i want that to happen as soon as humanly possible. as soon as that mission is complete. instead of having a government take your money and throwing it at their bad ideas, i want to lower the tax rates and simplify the tax code and get the american economy running again at full strength. we're going to have to make sure the law we replace obama care with assures that people who have a pre-existing condition, who have been insured in the past are able to get insurance in the future. >> not familiar precisely with what i said but i stand by what i said, whatever it was. >> he was laughing at himself in that one. let me start with you. i know you're here to defend mitt romney. >> among other things. >> the afghanistan thing is sort of the heart of it. i'm going to pull out the troops. as soon as the mission's over. the hard part about being the president of course is what the mission is and how would you define when it's over. he talks a lot around things to always give himself a way out. is that hurting him? >> there are a couple of things.
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today on this immigration question, i think there was a legitimate reason for romney to have been thrown off balance. president obama has been telling advocates for months he doesn't have the legal authority to do this. basically, the romney camp has to figure out what exactly is going on. does the president have the authority. and that's going to take a little time. yeah, he was caught off guard. on the other question, i do think it really is true that romney needs an affirmative populous message that's going to be a little more effective, will have a little more punch. what's happening is states like pennsylvania, even michigan, states like wisconsin, are really coming into play and unless you have a stronger populous message that can put him on the defensive, you'll have a hard time. it's really true that mitt romney has been a little defensive, a little cautious. and he needs to break out of that box so i agree with that. >> to ryan's point, there is one thing -- i'm not saying nothing else you said was true. it is true the president kept saying, i can't do anything, i can't do anything, congress has to pass the bill.
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it's a little surprise he came -- >> i think in this case what got romney off balance a bit is he made noises about supporting something marco rubio proposed. sort of a compromise bill. saying this actually looks a lot like -- >> a lot like. >> so it's actually in that case a classic case of policy triangulation. not a long-term success. not a path to amnesty either. romney is risk averse. i think there's a reason. he's so conscious of not making a mistake. he's such a perfectionist. when his father ran for president, he was famously loose lipped. he famously said, i was brainwashed on vietnam. may be a case of the son overlearning the lessons of the father. so risk averse you almost get in that al gore straight jacket. you have dad over your shoulder. all leads you to being inexact on the stump. >> how worried should he be --
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i'm sorry, paul, how worried should the president be? i'm just curious, you know, if mitt romney starts connecting with people, statistics out there on the economy, people's feeling about the economy are pretty bad for an incumbent. >> yeah if mitt romney starts connecting. if my aunt grew a beard, she'd be my unkle, i'm not worried about that. >> whoa. >> no, he's -- the strongest candidate of a weak republican field. their best candidate stayed on the sidelines this time it i don't understand why. they have talented people. all of whom decided not to run. his opponent is the economy. it's the jobs report. thank goodness, as a democrat. i do advise, our viewers should know, the pro-obama super pac. our best ally is mitt romney. the guy, he's out of touch. he's talented. he's smart. very able guy in many ways. he can't connect with middle class people. today he was asked to take a simple stand on a pretty simple issue he had talked about many times before. in the past, he called it dream act. i'm quoting him here, a handout.
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now, the president today is going to enact or not enact, rather, he's going to decline to prosecute a few people, a lot of people under that. why isn't that a handout, mr. romney? >> to be fair, i think paul has a point there. said this before -- >> i'm a little worried about paul's candidate. if a pathetic candidate has a match 45/45, that's not a very encouraging sign. >> no, that's right, that's a good point. >> he agrees with you. >> i agree. >> -- chief political advisers said to ryan liza as reported in this big article on president obama's plans for a second term. >> yeah. >> that he feared a pro-romney grew would run an onslaught of ads attacking obama on immigrati immigration. we're seeing a break glass in case of emergency strategy. president obama will have other things he will do. five or six policy initiatives. as the political waters get choppier for him, you'll see other surprises that are going to come out of left field.
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that's -- and that's going to be -- >> maybe -- and then he will win the election. >> we all have to rethink our stances on the election if he did that, erin. would be very exciting. as a member of the chum gang -- >> i don't know why he's going on all this controversial stuff. that's much more controversial than gay marriage. >> he's taken pretty decisive stands. this isn't normal politics 101. this isn't bill clinton '96. he's taken decisive issues. also in a different -- in a different political environment, too, this would be seen as triangulation. he took marco rubio's proposal for it and put it forward. >> your candidate also has problems connecting. >> absolutely. >> they both have problems connecting with regular people, right? >> you bet. although i have seen the president do a much better job than he sometimes does. mitt romney has had very few moments where he actually committed. obama knows what it feels like to be paying off your student loans or have your credit card
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returned to him at the rental station, which happened to him. both of these guys are elitists. but i think the president has an edge on that. >> all right. thanks very much. you can imagine the faces he was giving. all right, thanks to all. and now an article in the political paper politico caught our eye today. it said defense contractors were planning to send layoff notices in november to hundreds of thousands of employees. they're going to do that because they say, congress if you don't reach a deal on the automatic spending cuts on defense, we're going to be forced to do it. here's the thing. the cuts to defense are going to happen on january 2nd. they're worth $110 billion. half of that is defense. so the contractors say, look, we can't wait till january 2nd or even a week before. we have to give 60 days notice to our employees. 60 days before january 2nd is november 3rd. that is three days before election day.
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strange coincidence? the contractors go republican. a million people getting laid off three days before the election. in heavily swinging states. we did some digging. we said this can't add up. but it does. it is one of the largest payroll processors in this country. they told us, quote if you're going to lay off 500 emplies or more, you have to give 60 days notice. that means, whoa, john avlon is here. john saw the politico article. it caught your attention. this means. so this means three days before the election, a million people could get layoff notices. >> potentially. i mean, this is the ultimate. this is not even an october surprise.
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here's the question. this whole thing is the cost of the super failed committee. is this going to light a fire under congress to come up with a grand bargain before the lame duck session to avoid these painful cuts? >> what's going to happen? there's so much political calculus on this. we're going to deal with the issue before, maybe the bush tax cuts? >> nothing is like the prospect of being hanged. there's no line in washington that every bill is a jobs bill because it's your job. in that case, that's really literal. crucial swing states. like virginia. like florida. like pennsylvania. this time, it's personal. i really do hope congress will get the message they need to come up with a deal before the lame duck. i hope we don't see that kind of cynical self-dealing that says
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you know what, all the more reason to kick the can. maybe hurt the guy in the white house. >> john avlon, thank you very much. sometime, ys you think things dt add up and they do. new evidence in the zimmerman murder case tonight. [ male announcer ] this is corporate caterers, miami, florida. in here, great food demands a great presentation. so at&t showed corporate caterers how to better collaborate by using a mobile solution, in a whole new way. using real-time photo sharing abilities, they can create and maintain high standards, from kitchen to table. this technology allows us to collaborate with our drivers to make a better experience for our customers. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪
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we're back with tonight's outer circle. we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight, we go to germany, where police today revealed that so-called forest boy was in fact a hoax. the boy was discovered in berlin last year with memory of almost nothing. except having lived for years in a forest. police say it turns out it's not true. he's really from the netherlands and friends just recognized him. frederi frederik pleitgen is in berlin. >> reporter: there are some people in his hometown in holland who said he appeared to have personal issues before embarking on the trip to berlin. the berlin authorities are absolutely fuming at all of this. just to recap. this young man went to berlin
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city hall in september of 2011, said he was 17 years old, that he'd been living in a forest with his father for the past five years. didn't exactly know where that forest was. didn't know anything except his own first name which he said was ray. now it turns out his name's not ray. it's actually robin. he was never in a forest. the entire story was completely made up. as i said, the berlin authorities are absolutely irate at all of this. they say they want to get rid of him out of the youth home he's staying in right now as fast as possible. bring him back to holland and possibly press charges against him. >> thanks very much. now, let's check in with anderson with a look at what's coming up. >> we're keeping them honest. we're going to have more on the obama administration's decision to stop deporting illegal ingrants under the age of 30 under certain conconditions. now he's making it happen. we'll look at that. could the decision boost his chances with latino voters? we'll talk to paul begala about
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that. continuing our investigation into charities that a lot of folks give money to. millions of dollars are raised. charities that claim to help abandoned animals and veterans. drew griffin has new developments on one woman. those pets are we s ars were ne. abandoned even. released in the defense of zimmerman. hundreds of panges of documents. fbi reports, records of zimmerman's jailhouse conversations. now, defense attorney mark o'meara hopes to hastop having those released. hundreds of pages coming out here. the 21 secret witnesses, fbi. one of the pieces of evidence was printouts from zimmerman's
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myspace page where he had posted insulting comments about mexicans. is this going to be admissible? >> the defense will try to keep it out. the prosecution will try to get it in. it's going to be tough to get it in. in florida, prior bad acts are not permissible. so that could be subject to interpretation of what he wrote or whatever. so clearly there will be an effort to show that he does hold some prejudices. the relevancy, the materiality, it's likely the prejudicial value of that will be outweighed -- will outweigh any evidentiary value. great likelihood it's not going to get in. >> a few of the witnesses were identified. one of the ones identified, the president of shoot straight. which is a gun store and firing range. where supposedly george zimmerman bought his gun and practiced firing the gun. why would the state want to introduce this? what could be the use of this specifically do you think?
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>> to show that he -- i believe to show he knew how to handle a firearm and two, he was training to act responsible. so it would somewhat gut the defense position that all this might have happened neglectly in the course of the struggle, that he knew what he was doing with the gun and he was actually somewhat trained in it. >> what about the jailhouse conversations? originally the state was going to release 150 calls that zimmerman was a part of while he was in jail. they're now only releasing six. the defense attorney's fighting against having them released. i would assume as someone who's been following this case maybe he doesn't want all those conversations released between zimmerman and his wife. the conversations where we found out that she knew about the money that they had and didn't tell the court. is that why the defense is doing
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this? or why only some calls? >> those are actually coming out. those six calls are coming out that are relevant to the case. doesn't seem to be an issue with that. the other calls, they are going to be in dispute. apparently the defense has filed a motion. that he doesn't think they're relevant. and they should, in fact, be held back. interesting issue. the seminole county sheriff's office historically does not release calls that come between inmates. they only allow calls to be released publicly when they're develop re relevant to a case. the judge has basically trumped that and said no, i'm going to let them in. you don't have a right to privacy while you're sitting in a jail. the judge has said no, they're all coming in. o'meara will argue they're not relevant. the state is saying we're going to respect the defense's request for rehearing. we're not going to release the rest till the judge rules on the defense's motion for reconsideration as to the rest of the tapes.
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last night, we talked about some awful things happening to women in egypt. tonight, a woman in the midwest working to pave a better path. mona had an idea she hopes will change the playing field for women in the region. i had a chance to meet her. the american dream isn't only alive in america. it's alive and kicking here in dubai. the money capital of the midwest. where one woman has a big idea. >> i've always wanted to create things from nothing. i've always felt that i could. >> reporter: she is a mom of three and creator of mumzworld, a website she believes can be amazon for moms in the middle east. >> i recognize the mothers needs, particularly when it comes to shopping, were not met. >> reporter: she launched
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mumzworld last year and overseas everything from orders to the warehouse. two-thirds of her customers are repeat visitors thafrgs to her selling more than 200 brands including disney, oshkosh b'gosh and lego. the days are long but mona says the sacrifices are worth it. she's empowering women in a region where less than a third of them work, the lowest in the world. >> it wasn't hard to do it as a woman. it was harder to do it as a mother. the reason it was hard as a mother is because you're constantly juggling. >> reporter: pulled? >> you really are, by three boys, your husband, your family, your extended family which is really the mumzworld family. especially the -- but that's what life is all about. it's about, you know, rising through the challenges and doing the best you can. >> she was pretty inspiring. like so many women around t
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