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for these two political parties. >> plus, scandal, back stabbing and what may be the most stunning revelation ever about the cast of dallas. and the moment you thought you'd never see. >> i'm going to do this. >> good evening. we'll get to my interview with the cast of dallas in a few moments. but first, a big man with big ideas about politics, government and everything else. jesse ventura, a superstar of professional wrestling known as the body and a man who never holds back. every time he's been on my show, he says something out ray jous, unexpected and thought provo provoking. now he's back for more.

his book, kwtjesse, how are you? >> i'm doing well, piers, how are you? >> you are looking very well. two things i want to clarify with you. one is why you're not here with me in the studio. and rksz secondly, where have you been because you've disappeared? >> well, first reason, why i'm not with you in the studio is i have -- i've quit flying because i have metal in my body. so every time i go to an airport, the metal detector goes off. and they treat former governors like criminals out there, you know. i get treated like a criminal and i've had enough. i won't be treated like a criminal anymore. so the only alternative is not to fly. i tried to bring a federal lawsuit against the tsa and homeland security and imagine this. the judge threw it out claiming she did not have jurs tix. now, it's a constitutional question. so if she doesn't have jurisdiction, no one does. people in this country need to

understand when you go to any airport in the united states, you are not protected by the constitution or the bill of rights. they can do anything they want to you and there's nowhere you can go to seek redress. >> so you've been grounded. and you're also -- you've been in what i would call hibernation where you didn't watch television, you were telling me before we started, for 45 days. >> right. well, i live in mexico in the wintertime and i live off the grid down there. now, i do have television, but i decided it was time to see if i could withstand no television in my life. so i did it for 45 days. it was wonderful. i didn't even watch the nfl playoffs for the first time i did not watch the super bowl. but i've got to tell you, life was grand without it and i urge more people to try it now and then and see what else goes on there the world. >> well, it may be healthy for you, but i can't really

encourage your campaign for reasons you'll understand. now, this book is fascinating, the book. because it's called "democrits" and rebloodican." these are two of the most infamous gangs. so you're basically likening the politicians in washington these days to gang leaders achbd gang members. is that right? >> yeah, that's true. and they're worse. let me explain why they're worse. the crypts and the bloods, the street gangs, they can be devastating to a small part of the population, the dermocrypts and rebloodicans, they afekt everybody. and they've been in charge for over 100 years. if the republicans want to do something, the democrats are opposed to it. the best thing we could do is on every ballot remove all gang

names and gang symbols. allow them to only run on their names. that way, it becomes important that the voter educate themselves. what does john smith stand for? and if -- because right now rksz when you go into vote, if you're a conservativconservative, you to know any names. all you need to do is look for republican. if you're liberal, all you need to do is look for democrat. you don't engineering need to know the name of the candidate. >> this all sounds great in theory. of course, the reality of the kind of american government you're looking for here, is you would end up with a whole falex of desperate souls, all with different ideas, all with different kinds of policies. how does that actually work? in reality, jesse. be sensible. be realistic. how does that work? >> read chapter 2. >> i've read it all. >> okay. who backs me up in chapter 2?

george washington, the father of our country. thomas jefferson, looked up to by many today and john adams, who actually stated that when political parties take control of the government, that's what will destroy it. it won't be a force from outside. it will come within. and i think those are three pretty good allies to have with me. they're the founding fathers. but, again, i come back to a reality check. you get all of these brilliant ind pen dents and they're all standing on their neck. and people i like, but the truth is, how do you actually govern when you have sa whole load of desperate souls. let me finish. human nature, jesse, dictates that it becomes like a fascist state. you end up with people who are the most independent of the independents. you're basically endorsing a

form of fascism, right-hand turn you? >> we're already fascists, piers? a corporation is the same as a person. that ruling, by the supreme court, makes us fascists. because the basic definition of fascism is when corporations take over the government. they already have. they can give unlimted amount of money. they said money is free speech. and i love how it works. you know? the democrats and the republicans have bilt the system completely on bribery. you bribe the politician, you get what you want. you don't bribe them, you don't get anything. now, in the private sector, if we do that, we go to jail. and then rksz also, they lied to us. if we lie to them, we go to jail. how come the road doesn't go both ways? why is it just one way? >> well, i guess -- here's what i thought when i read your book. i thought you made a lot of very valid points. you hear a lot of those big bell

moemts that go off in people's heads where they go jesse ventura has a good point about the lack of bipartisan politics, about the corruptive element now which exists and corrodes around a lot of public life in america, et cetera. but i come back to my point. it's all identifying as a complete basket case. how do you actually have a government that works if everyone is an independent? >> well, you can turn the democrats and republicans into specialists. you get endorsements from the teacher's union, the police union, the fire union, all of these dimpbt things. make them equal to that to where the candidate can still be endorsed by the republican party. you just don't put it on the ballot. you put just the name down. why is it so weird to think there should only be a name there?

>> but the problem with that is it's all very well this guy is an independent. everyone quietly knows that he's what used to be called a republican. you end up with that ri dick lousz scenario of the pop star "prinsz" who renames himself himself the artist formally known as prince. >> they could still be belonged to the party, just don't put the party on the ballot. >> you've got a scenario in this country where they can receive any amount of money from corporations or anything and they don't have to declare who they got the money from. i'll give you another one that you'll laugh at, piers. i think every presidential candidate should be required to wear a nascar racing suit. you know why? >> no. >> well, that wie, it will show who owns them. on nascar, they always have all the patches for who their

sponsors are. that way, us, as the voters, can look at their sut and realize who owns them. >> you see, that's actually a very -- >> who they're going to favor and that would make us more informed voters, then. >> it's actually a pretty good -- >> well, jesse, it's a brilliant idea. the only problem is absolutely nobody would ever do it. let's have a short break. i want the come back and ask you why it's the new land of promised tunt for the independents. why you, as one of america's great independent politicians, isn't going to throw his hat back in the ring. so think about a good answer for me on that one. if there was a pill

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he says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. did he not get the message of wisconsin? the american people did. it's time for us to cut back on government and help the american people. >> top democrypt. i'm going the like these new names. they've got a certain ring to them. >> when you hear the president and the republican nominee going at it like this, given the state of economy in america, what was your reaction? >> well, my reaction is it doesn't matter. i mean, when we went from george bush to barack obama, the only difference was their skin color. everything else has been pretty much the same. it doesn't matter if you elect a democrat or a republican because they've both sold out to bribery, to the same corporate sponsors. i mean barack obama's largest contributor was goldman sachs. if you go to boet of their conventions, you'll see the same

lobbyists paying off both sides so they win either way. it does not matter who you elect. i laugh when i hear change you can believe in. well, the only way that's going to happen is if you'd elect someone like me. i'll give you change you can believe in. you can rest assured there would be change. not what these guys talk about. nothing has changed. nothing ever will, as long as democrats and republicans are in there. >> now, i'm getting sort of an explosion on my phone here of twitter. which i know you don't partake in. but a lot of people tweeting to my surprise. but to your joy, a lot of -- he's got a point, jesse ventura. they're going to like the kut of all of this. by the way, if you're watching, it's getting lively with jesse. the obvious question, i guess, is if you're so fed up with the system and you want independents to take charge, why don't you throw your hat back in the ring? >> well, i'm certain i would

have a following because there's a lot of disgruntled, unhappy people out there just like me. and they're wising up, finally, i hope. i mean, i've been pounding this for my last four books i've written and it doesn't seem like anyone wants to listen. but i'll tell you this. i'm 60 years old now and i'm not too sure i want to tie myself up in this nonsense. i have a great life in the private sector. i love to go in the water down in mexico. i love my life down there. and i would have to give that up. and in order to do that, i have to see something out of the american people. i want to see the american people give me a sign that it's wort it to me to come out and put myself on the line again. >> how much do you think the media has to take responsibility for some of the way that the political system is going in america. the sense that you now have very partisan cable networks. fox on the right, nbc on the

left, cnn is n the middle. when you see them getting more partisan, does that matter? is it good for political debate? is it corrupting political debate? what do you think? i think it's awful. it's terrible. you know, the news used to be to rort facts and allow you to make the decision. all of these shows are nothing but opinion moderators. they're hired guns that push an agenda. i think it's horrible. when our forefathers created this country, the media was supposed to be the fourt branch of government. the unwriten branch. their job was to keep track of what the other three were doing and report it to the american people so the american people could judge it accord glio. what you have now is nothing but a media with opinion and a media -- i remember the death of an that nicole smith. it was the headline for a month. a month. and yet the meat and potatoes

gets cast aside because the media today is not into rorting the news, they're into creating it. and that is very, very dangerous. because the light went on with 60 minutes. they found out the news could make money. so the bean counters came in and now the news is nothing but entertainment and it's done to get ratings where in the old days of walter cronc icronkite, news took a loss. today, the news is expected to get ratings and is expected to general rat money. and that is horrible. >> so presumably rksz you'll be boycotting fox and msnbc totally in your book? >> i woent be boycotting them, they boycott me. i'd go on happily. that's the truth, piers. neither of them will have me on. neither of them. >> really? >> nobody. nope. it's been that way for my last three books. none of the fox nighttime people.

none of the msnbc. now, fox business will put me on. i think they're another division. i'm not sure about that. but some of the business shows at fox will have me on. b but, no, fox and msnbc have banned me. you know who else? don i mrksz us. imus. they wanted to know what five songs i wanted to have played. so i told them i wanted -- no, i told them i want rage against the machine. those are the songs i want from tom marella who tom is one of my heroes now. he is a new bob dylan. he is a new woody gutherie. he is a man who can play the guitar like heck. they banned them prior to the iraq war. none of the clear channel stations would play anything. they censored rage against the machine, so i guess so did don imus.

>> well, jesse, you're out ray jous. we'll take another break and we'll come back and talk to you about your conspiracy theories of which you have many and varied and they're always fascinating to debate with you, even if in some cases, extremely half baked. ♪

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i do mean special because there's no one quite like you. jesse, let's turn to your conspiracy theories in the book. some would say you would argue that they are factual assessments of issues. one of which is you called iraq and afghanistan the wars that are the first contrite wars. so the government job of our troops paying them a lot more than they would pay the troops. explain what you mean by that? >> he's got all of these contracto

contractors they realize they can get paid a whole lot more money than what the military pays them. so they leave our military in droves and go to, like, black water -- i don't know what they call themselves now. they change their names around. and they go over there and they're nothing but cowboys. they don't fall under any of the rules of war. they're mercenaries. and that's what we're turning into today. our military has turned into contract killers now. contract for hire. we're using them more and more and they're very much more expensive to use the regular military. and what troubles me is this, piers. i'm 60 years old now and i'm born post world war ii. i was born in 1951. my country has been at war for over half of my life. over half of my life, we have been at war. no other country in the world, save israel, can say that. why? >> when you look at barack obama who you have little time for, it

seems, but in terms of his foreign policy, snt he doing -- >> i have less time for mitt romney. >> but isn't he doing exactly what you would do? he's pulled them out of iraq. >> he has? >> he's pulling them out, isn't he? >> well, i guess he is. but he eesz leaving private contractors over there. a lot of them. he hasn't closed get-mo yet. he didn't pros kut anyone for tor chur. we're a country known throughout the world, we torture people. and i'm ashamed of that. shouldn't we take the high road? no. now, is barack obama better than george bush? yes, i will say that. but he still -- he told us he would end the wars. and now we're ramping up to go to war with iran. >> what would you do with iran? >> well, i'll give you a scenario.

here's a scenario that i would have asked at the republican debates. i would have say, hypothetically, if u're the president, let's say hugo chavez of venezuela, if he went and bought an unmanned drone and flew it over united states air space and if that drone crashed in the united states, you, as president, i would have asked the republicans what would you do? i bet you they would have declared war. yet, we fly unmanned drones over iran air space. no one gave us permission to do that. the hi pock ra si is unbelievable. in our country, we believe we can do anything throughout the world. and if any of them people did that back to us, we would declare war on them immediately. am i not right? what if hugo chavez did that? or say hugo bought a thousand acres of land by palm springs

and moved the venn sway la military in there. we've> our military in 270 countries throughout the world? well, that's an empire. i don't care to live like that. it's wrong. it's wrong. >> isn't there a slight naivety, though? it's very easy to say that america, which is the world's number one military super power and economic power, should simply sit back and not do anything in any of these dangerous countries like iran, nort korea, pakistan, where ever it may be. doesn't america have to get involved? >> so the u.s. is definitely threatened by these countries? in what way? >> if iran began to build up a nuclear arsenal at the same rate of north korea, would you not, as an american, feel threatened by that development, given that

they're such an unstable country? >> do you know why they have to do that? you notice the united states doesn't mess with anybody that's got the nuke. so we're forcing countries not to mess with them. and you're talking about this build up? i've heard that before. i heard the same thing about iraq. i heard that a few years ago. it was all a lie. they had no weapons of mass destruction. thigh had no ties to al-qaida. the american people were boldly lied to about that entire war and then we go into that war and discover it's all a lie and, yet, nobody holds anybody acountable for it. now they're using the same scenario on iran. the same identical scenario. they're telling us they're putting fear into us because i believe the united states has changed today where we must be in a perennial war and those

perennial wars will bring us down just like the roman empire failed. >> well, jesse, you are at perennial war with almost everybody verbally. it's a fascinating book. no more gangs in govt. it's been fraet fun catching up with you again. come back soon. >> thank you, piers. thanks for having me on because a lot of people don't have your courage. >> i have no fear when it comes to the ventura. see you soon. >> okay, thank you. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ]

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sex, greed and back stabbing injury. that's just cnn. now, that got your attention, didn't it? these were the main ingreed yents of one of america's most popular tv soap operas. it was the most popular television show in my home country, britain, from 1978-1991. it was, of course, "dallas" and now it's coming back with a new generation by many of the original stars. and i'm more than delighted.

i'm extatic. larry, linda and patrick, i was 13 years old when you came on british tv. i was a pubescent, young man and this show exploded like a volcano in britain. and you remember how big it was. it became the biggest show. i think only the royal wed ever baet it in the ratings. it was compelling, gruesome, fascinating, exciting vmt. >> everybody in britain watched it. everybody wanted to go to dallas and to leave this incredible life. so welcome to all three of you. j.r., sue ellen, bobby. which you'll always be to me. >> this will be the best intro we have ever gotten. >> it will be. >> since 1978. >> how do you all feel? i mean, obviously, you're pleased or you wouldn't be doing it. but now you've done some filming

and you've gone back in store. was it all you hoped it would be? >> yeah, more. for the three of us. we had this realization that we would never work together again. we're the best of friends and have been for 30 years, 35 years. >> that's amazing. >> we knew we would never work together again. and then this gift was presented to us. >> well, how amazing that you stayed so close? and unusual, i'm saying. >> it is. for any business. any industry, you know, to have friends that you've worked with and still be friends 35 years later. >> it's inexplicable because we were this cloesz from day one. mr. evil here, the dark dealer of evil scheming. you look so nice and normal today. but you were the great role

model of all older brothers like me. i tormented my two younger brothers for years after you've shown me the way. they don't want to thank you. >> you're obviously nothing like j.r. in real life. everyone's always told me that. for you, you really couiny coul bring back dallas without j.r. were you remotely concerned given that you were the top dog, if you like, and might damage the brand? >> yes. >> how long did you think of that? >> until they told me how much i was going to make. [ laughter ] >> how much was it? >> i don't remember. it doesn't matter now. i've spent it already. >> it's a serious question. a lot of sequels can be crashing disapointments. all of the buzz around this is terrific. i think the blending of the great characters we know with

the hot young blood that comes through is so clever and gives it a real chance, a success. but dallas was such a wonderful, phenomenon of its time, i would understand serious concern, particularly for you, i think, as the kind of leader, if you like, of the pact. how much did the friendship come into it? >> well, i wouldn't be doing it without them. we wouldn't be doing it. >> no. i mean, somebody approached me and, if you'd like to do the show. and i said are my friends going to be on the show? and i said sure. let's see the script. and then we talked about the skript. we liked it very much. and so we said yeah. it only took about 10 years to join. >> i think people forget that we're your friends and we do talk. so it snt about getting something and the other one not getting it. we talk all of the time. >> you look great. is everything okay? >> so far. yeah. >> i love the fact you've brought this in. is this a genuine j.r.?

you see, immediate to that laugh, that, the stetson, the laugh, the evil chuckle flt was that your chuckle? >> well, in germany, it's not my chuckle. i say it ain't me, it's my interpreter. >> with the montage of the great old days, he doesn't understand why i'm so excited today. >> i have finally figured everything out, that's all. you have been trying to frame me. >> good morning. >> tell me, j.r., which shut are you going to stay with tonight? >> whoever it is, it got to be more interesting than the shut i'm looking at right now.

>> did he really say that? >> he said that. >> i don't think you can say that on tv anymore. and you said you weren't evil? >> you think that's evil? >> no wonder i drank. >> did you like being for what you were, the most evil man on television? >> i don't think i was an evil man. is just like a texas businessman, that's all. >> yeah, evil. >> they keep bringing that up. >> i'm just doing what people do for business. >> you can't start distancing yourself from being evil. j.r. was wonderfully evil. constantly scheming and plotting. that is evil, snt it? >> did you like the reputation? >> of course i do. >> the question is they say who shot j.r. >> do you ever tell them? >> yes. >> what do you say? >> bing crosby's daughter.

>> shot peter pan's son. >> there were only about 3,000 suspects. that was the beauty of the plot line. when you guys were filming in dallas, presumably you lived there. when you walked around, it must have been like the royal family. >> everywhere. where. >> i think we were most popular in the u.k. outside of america. >> and also, in germany, my gosh, we're still playing in germany. >> so it's you and david hasselhoff. >> mr. germany. yeah. >> let's take a short break. i want to come back and talk to you more about dallas. we'll bring on the young turks in a moment. i want to go to my past. for three hours a week, i'm a coach.

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i want to say, i feel emotional about this. that was from the new dallas premiering next month on tnt. reprizing their iconic roles. so i've got to ask you. are you still a hopeless drunk? >> i mean, on the show. [ laughter ] >> he answered my question. that's a question to me, darling. yeah, i think this happens all of the time. >> have you come to grips with your alcohol problem? >> i think i've come to grips with it because i trotted off to england, as you will remember, with him and mcshane, who i adore, left him for mcshane. wise, wise woman. [ laughter ] >> is j.r. any better-behaved these days? >> not really. >> to me? >> a leopard never changes its spots. well, you looked remarkably nice. >> he did rk, but do we trust h? >> no, no, no. >> equally evil. >> he's not evil. he has a little bit of me in him. >> he's 90% evil. >> yeah.

>> tell me about how bobby is involved. >> he's just sweet. he's all rolled into one. >> let's fill the gaps between the last dallas in '91 and the kurnt dallas. what have you been up to that you're proudest of now? >> i learned how to rest. >> yes, which is not to be underestimated. >> i don't know. just kicking it around, having a great time. >> when you look back on that period, was that the most satisfying time of your career? >> what? you mean dallas? >> yeah. >> of course. i had a nice little -- it's still on the air 47 years later. so i had both worlds. the come dy world and the romantic world.

>> when you hear younger actors these days moaning about fame and intrusion and paparazzi and all of that kind of thing, what do you think? >> find another profession. >> that's what i think. >> did you have any sympathy with people moaning about the prices of fame? >> nothing. none. none what so ever. i think it's fin. it is. it can be fun. it can be a pain in the neck, too, i supposed. but i like it. >> i agree to accept. and so i do have sympathy for those who are ill equipped. and if they're caught in those times when they're out in public and they can't deal with it, then i have some sympathy for them. >> i always think it's tougher for women. they get much more scrutiny for how they look. that kind of scrutiny can be

very hurtful. >> absolutely. well, you know, i'm very blessed because the industry tends to dismiss women after a certain age. so i'm triply blessed because i figure at my age, to be working yet again and thrown out there in a very public arena, it's a blessing. and i'm very happy about that. i do feel that it's much different now because they're d now because they're looking at your shoes, your purse, your ring, your this, your that, everything. and everything is critics criticized. and it's -- they omit looking at the person, who is the person? they're looking at the dress and the stylist and this and that. so it takes away from the person that you are. >> and on the internet, it wasn't around when you -- that's completely changed everything. everyone who walks around the street has a camera phone. they're all paparazzi. in the old days you could walk around and no one would have a camera and if -- >> if they did you knew it because it was on their shoulder

and it weighed like 400 pounds. >> you're always on now. >> facebook and twitter and all that stuff. >> so you always have to -- >> needily worldwide. >> and you two holding hands in this -- >> she's so shy, she needs a little security. >> this is an image i thought i'd never see. >> it's usually this. >> this is usually -- a thorn and another rose. >> yes. >> let's take another break and we'll bring out the new jeanne generation of ewings. ♪

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>> what the hell are you doing? >> oil on south fork. >> miss elly threw the rig off the land. >> you have no right to drill on this land. >> i'm a ewing. i have every right. >> they were going to tell you tonight. >> you're a part of this? >> back with larry hagman, patrick duffy and linda grey. you have the new brigade here.

and you have the awe spieshs task of playing j.r. jr. >> yes, it was very intimidating. finally trying to figure out what would vine ross be today after have been this amazing, loving father -- >> my guess is, evil. >> he's one of the nicest guys around. >> i don't want to hear that. >> he learned how to do business one way and that's the j.r. way and he thinks that he can put his own spin on it. >> i mean, massive pressure on you in particular because everyone is going to look at you as being effectively, the new j.r. with the old j.r. towering over you on set like this omnipotent figure. how do you feel about that? >> well -- i actually was completely excited about what i consider to be a fun challenge. i knew that there was probably a lot of expectation on this series in general coming back but also, who is j.r.'s john ross. is he like his father?

>> he was a baby. >> always looked up to dad. >> we all worried about john ross. what the hell is going to happen to this poor little kid. >> and you play the ewing's cook's daughter. >> yooer. >> am i right? >> yes. >> you're not a full-fledged ewing. i'm a -- >> knowing the way the interbreeding goes, it's only a matter of time. >> i'm a very lucky girl. >> you're having a simultaneous fling with these two. >> not simultaneous, i joust kind of go back and -- i'm in with both of them. >> how have you found it coming into this iconic show? >> it was wonderful. i was a fan of dallas. >> you must have been about 5. >> i was very yierng. >> how how old are you. >> i was born in 1980. >> so you were 11 or 12. so i can just about buy you being a fan but the reality is, you're the fresh blood here, aren't you?

>> uh-huh. >> replacing and yelt, with, legends. >> not replacing, which is why it's not terrifying, if we were a replacement i would be terrified but we're joining which is so wonderful and they've been so awesome and welcoming. >> impossible divas? >> easy, easy, easy. >> very generous to work with. >> jesse, from desperate housewiveses to dallas. does it get better? >> i feel incredibly blessed to be on another television phenomenon and i think this show has the potential to be huge. >> it's been brilliantly done. the fusion between the two, which could have been fraught with danger, is actually looks completely seamless. maybe because you three haven't aged. that's ridiculous. >> really. i mean, sue ellen, i have to be honest, you don't look a day older. >> but i am. >> i know you are. >> yooish many days older, but this is one of the reasons it

works. it looks like we're just carrying on where we left off. >> it was all set up with that pilot episode. that pilot was so amazing. a seamless transition from where the show left off into the new series. and as far as chemistry is concerned, i mean, these three set the tone. we call them the big 3. their friendship and enthusiasm is contagious. >> they made us really comfortable coming in which yierng really helped the stierlines feel real and very believable. there was a lot of -- they'll really welcomed us with opened arms and made it a lot easier for us. >> larry, how have they been getting on. >> they're going to drag us into another 13-year run. >> even at 94, i wouldn't trust you. just a leper never changes his spots. to me, as you can probably tell, this is all terribly overexciting. it's been a great privilege to y