america vital for the next century as well. thanks for tuning in. read more of my thoughts in "time" magazine and catch my regular show on sundays at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. eastern. international viewers go to our website for air times. cnn.com/fareed. thank you! . tonight, one of my favorite guests. the first time jesse ventura was here, sparks flew. >> i'm not -- are you calling me a coward? young man? i have done things that would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. >> you thought that was heated, listen to what he said about the election. >> i won't vote for a democrat or a republican. the solution is to stop voting for these two political parties.

>> what might be the most stung revelation ever from dallas. >> three of my all time tv heroes. the moment you thought you would never see. . >> we will get to my interview in a moment. a big man with a big idea about politics, government, and everything else. he is the always outspoken governor of minnesota. the superstar known as the body and a man who famously never holds back. every time he has been on my show, he says something outrageous and thought provoking. no more gangs in government.

jesse, how are you? >> i'm doing well. how are you in. >> doing well. two things i want to clarify. one is why you are not with me here and secondly, where have you been? you disappeared. >> first reason why i am not with you is i quit flying. i have metal in my and the metal detector goes off and i get treated like a criminal and enough is enough. i won't get treated like a criminal anymore. i tried to bring a federal lawsuit against the tsa and homeland security and the judge threw it out, claiming she did not have jurisdiction. now, it was a constitutional question. if she doesn't have jurisdiction, no one does. people need to understand when you go to any airport in the

united states, you are not protected by the constitution or the bill of rights. they can do anything they want to you and there is nowhere you can go to seek redress. >> you have been grounded and you have been what i call in hibernation where you didn't watch television for 45 days. >> right. i live in mexico in the winter time and i live off the grid down there. i do have television, but i decided it was time to see if i could with stand no television in my life and so i did it for 45 days. it was wonderful. i didn't even watch the nfl playoffs for the first time. i did not watch the super bowl, but i have to tell you, life was grand without it and urge people, no offense, piers, but i urge more people to try it and see what else goes on in the world. >> for may be healthy for you. you look good. i can't encourage you in your

campaign to stop people from watching television. this book is fascinating. the reason it's fascinating, these are two of the most infamous gangs and the bloods and the crips, they want to kill each other. they wear these colors. the blues and the reds. you are likening the politicians in washington these days to gang leaders and gang members, is that right? >> that's true and they are worse. let me explain why they are worse. the crips and the bloods street gangs can be devastating to a certain small part of the population. the democrats and republicans affect everybody in the country and they have been in charge for over 100 years. if obama wants to do this, the republicans are opposed. if the republicans want to do something, the democrats are opposed. the best thing we can do is on every ballot, remove all gang

names and symbols and allow them to run on their names. that way it's important that the voter educate themselves. what does john smith stand for? because right now when you go in to vote, if you are a conservative, you don't need to know the names. you look for republican. if you are liberal, you look for democrat. you don't need ton the name of the candidate. >> for sounds great in theory. the reality of the kind of american government you are looking for here, you end up with desperate souls with different ideas and brains and all different policies. how does it work in reality? be sensible and realistic. how does it work? >> i will. what's wrong with that. read chapter two. >> i read it all. >> he backs me up on this. who backs me up in chapter two? george washington, the father of

our country. thomas jefferson. looked up to by many today and john adams who actually stated that when political parties take control of the government, that's what will destroy it. it won't be a force from outside, it will come from within. those are three pretty good allies to have with me. >> jesse, again, i come back to reality check. you get all these brilliant independents and they are standing on their neck. the american public goes i like him. i like all these people. the truth is how do you govern when you have a whole load of desperate souls? human nature -- let me finish. human nature dictates and becomes like a fascist state and you end up with the strongest taking charge. you end up with people who are the most independent of the independents. you are endorsing a form of

fascism, aren't you? >> we are all right fascist, piers. a corporation is the same as a person. that ruling by the supreme court makes us fascist. the basic definition is when corporations take over the government. they already have. they can give unlimited amount of money. they said money is free speech. i love how it works. the democrats and republicans have built the system based completely on bribery. you bribe the politician and you get what you want. you don't bribe them, you don't get anything. in the private sector, if we do that, we go to jail. also they lie to us. if we lie to them, we go to jail. how come the road doesn't go both ways? why is it just one way? >> here's what i thought when i read your book. i thought you made a lot of very valid points and you hit a lot of big bell moments that go off

when you think jesse ventura has a good point about the corruptive element now and that exists and corods around public in america. et cetera, etc. i come back to my point. it's all identifying it as a basket case. how do you actually have a government that works and everyone is an independent? >> well, you can turn the democrats and republicans into special interest which is what they are anyway. they can still endorse. you get endorsements from the teacher's union, you get endorsement from the police and the fire and all these different things. make them equal to that. the candidate can still be endorsed by the republican party. you just don't put it on the ballot. you put just the name down. why is it so weird to think there should only be a name? why do they deserve the right?

>> the problem with that is this guy is an independent. everyone quietly knows what used to be called the republican. you ep up with the pop star prince who renames himself the artist formerly known as prince. these are formerly known as republicans and democrats. >> not necessarily. they can still be belonging to the party, just don't put the party on the ballot. like i said, turn them into political action committees. right now you have a scenario where they can receive any amount of money from corporations from anything and they don't even have to declare who they got the money from. i will give you another that you will laugh at. i think every presidential candidate should be required to wear a nascar racing suit. you know why? >> go on. >> that way it will show who owns them. they have the catches for who their sponsors are.

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the private sector is doing fine. where we are seeing weaknesses in our economy had to do with state and local government. >> he wants another stimulus and to hire more government workers.

he said we need more firemen and teachers. did he not get the message in wisconsin? it's time to cut back on government and help the american people. >> barack obama there. i like the new names. they have a ring to them. when you hear the president and the republican nominee going at it like this, given the state of the economy in america, what's your reaction? >> my reaction is it doesn't matter. when we went from george bush to barack obama, the only difference was their skin color. everything is pretty much the same. it doesn't matter if you elect a democrat or republican. they both sold out to bribery to the same corporate sponsors. barack obama's large contributor was goldman sachs. same thing on the republican side. if you go to both their conventions, you will see the same lobbyists paying off both

sides so they win either way. it does not matter who you elect. i laugh when i hear change you can believe in. the only way that will happen is if you elect someone like me. you can rest assures there would be change. not what these guys talk about. nothing will change as long as democrats and republicans are in there. >> i'm getting an explosion on my phone here of twitter. i know you don't partake in it. to my surprise and your joy, he's got a point. they rather like all of this. if you are watching at piers morgan, it's getting lively with jesse. the obvious question, i guess, is if you are so fed up with the system and want independents to take charge, why don't you throw your hat in the ring? twitter suggests you would have a following.

>> i am certain they would. there is a lot of unhappy people out there just like me. they are wising up finally, i hope. i have been pounding this for my last four books i have written and it doesn't seem like anyone wants to listen. i am 60 years old now and i'm not sure if i want to tie myself up in this nonsense. i have a great in both minnesota and mexico in the private sector. i love to go in the water in mexico and i love my life down there. i would have to give that up. in order to do that, i have to see something out of the american people. i want to see the american people give me a sign that it's worth it to me to come out and put my ass on the line again. >> how much do you think the media had to take responsibility for some of the way that the political system is going. you have very partisan cable networks. fox on the right and msnbc on the left and cnn is somewhere in

the middle. when you see them getting partisan, does that matter and is that good for debate and is it corrupting debate? what do you think? >> i think it's awful. it's terrible. the news used to be to report facts and allow you to make the decision. all these shows are nothing but opinion moderate ors and hired guns to push an agenda. i think it's horrible. when our forefathers created this country, the media was supposed to be the unwritten branch of government. their job was to keep track of what the other three were doing and report it to the american people so the american people could judge it accordingly. what you have now is nothing but a media with opinion and a media that i remember the death of anna nicole smith. it was the headline for a month. a month! yet the meat and potatoes gets cast aside.

why? the media is not into reporting the news, they are into creating it. that is very, very dangerous. the light went on with 60 minutes. they found out the news could make money. the bean counters came in and the news is nothing but entertainment and it's done to get ratings. in the old days of walter cronkite, the news took a loss and they accepted it and made up for it in the entertainment division. not today. today the news is expected to get ratings and is expected to generate money. that is horrible. >> presumably you will be boycotting fox and msnbc on your book tour? >> i won't be boycotting them. they boycott me. that's the truth. neither of them will have me on. neither of them. >> really? >> neither will have me on. nope. it's been that way for my last three books. none of the fox or msnbc night

time will have me on. fox business will put me on. i think they are another division. i'm not sure about that, but some of the business shows at fox will have me on, but fox and msnbc banned me. i'm too controversial i guess. don imus too. his producers and all them wanted me on, but they wanted to know what five songs i wanted to have played so i told them i wanted rage against the machine. those are the songs i wanted. from tom morela. tom is one of my heroes now. he is say new bob dylan and a new woody guthrie and a man who can play guitar like heck. rage against the machine, they banned them prior to the rat war and the build up to it. none of the clear channel stations would play anything. they sensored rage against the machine. so did don imus.

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back with my special guest, jesse ventura. there is no one quite like you. let's turn to your experience theorys in the book. as some would say, you argue that they are factual assessments of issues. one of which is you called iraq and afghanistan the wars that are first contract wars. the government is a job of our troops, paying them a lot more. explain what you mean. >> you have all these contractors, former u.s. military special forces people. they realize they can get paid a lot more money to be a private

contractor than what the military in droves and go to blackwater. they change their names around. they go over there and they are nothing but cowboys. they don't fall under any of the rules of war and they're mercenaries. that's what we are turning into. our military is turned into contract killers. contract for hire. we're using them more and more and they're very much more expensive when you go to war to hire them than to use the military. what troubles me is this. i am 60 years old now. i am born post world war ii. born in 1951. my country has been at war for over half of my life. over half of my life we have been at war. no other country in the world except israel can say that. why? >> when you look at barack obama who you have little time for, it

seems. isn't he doing -- >> i have less time for mitt romney. >> isn't barack obama doing what you would do? he pulled the troop it is out of iraq and afghanistan. >> he has? he has? >> he is pulling them out. >> i guess he is, but he is leaving private contractors a lot of them over there. he has not closed gitmo yet. he did not prosecute anyone for torture. we torture people. i am ashamed of that. shouldn't we take the high road? no. is barack obama better than george bush? yes. i will say that. he is still -- he told us we would end the war and now we are ramping up to go to war with iran. >> what would you do with iran?

>> here's a scenario. hypothetically if you are the president, say hugo chavez of venezuela because of fear of our military and the united states, if he went and bought an unmanned drone and flew it over united states airspace and that drone crashed in the united states, you as president, i would have asked the republicans what would you do? i bet they would have declared war and we fly unmanned drones over iran airspace and no one gave us permission to do that. the hypocrisy unbelievable. we believe we can do anything throughout the world and if any of them people did that back to us, we would declare war on them immediately. am i not right? what if hugo chavez did that? say hugo chavez bought 1,000 acres of land by palm springs

and moved the venezuelan military in there. we have military in 270 countries throughout the world. that's an empire. >> jesse, isn't there a slight naivety because it's easy to say america, the world's number one military super power and economic power should sit back and not do anything? in any of these dangerous countries like iran, north korea, pakistan and wherever it may be. doesn't america have to get involved? >> really? the u.s. is definitely threatened by these countries in what way? they can't shoot a rocket at us. the technology we have today. >> let me give you a for instance. if iran began to develop nuclear weapons at the same rate as north korea and pakistan, would you not as an american feel

threatened by that development. given the unstable country. >> do you know why they have to do this? you notice the united states doesn't mess with anybody that has got the nuke. we are forcing countries like iran to get the nuke so that we won't mess with them. we don't mess with nobody that's got the nuke. you are talking about this build up? i heard that before. i heard the same thing about iraq. i heard that a few years ago. it was all a lie, wasn't it. they had no weapons of mass destruction and no ties to al qaeda. the american people were boldly lied to about that entire war and we go into that war and discover it's all a lie and yet nobody holds anybody accountable for it. now they are using the same scenario on iran. the same identical scenario. they are telling us and they're putting fear into us. i believe the united states is changed today.

we must be in a perennial war that will bring us down like the roman empire fell. >> you are a perennial war with almost everybody verbally. you continue. a fascinating book. no more gangs in government. it has been great fun catching up with you. you look in great shape. come back soon. >> i will and thanks for having me on. a lot of people don't have your courage. >> i have the ultimate courage. no fear when it comes to the ventura. see you soon. >> thank you.

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sex, greed, and back stabbing injury. this is cnn. that got your attention. these were the main ingredients of one of america's most popular tv soap operas ever. it was the most popular show in my country, britain, in 1978 to 1991. dallas airing on cbs and now it's coming back on tnt with a new generation of uings, dreaming and scheming joined by many of the original stars. i'm more than delighted to welcome three of my personal

television heros to my humble set. larry hagman and linda gray. i was 13 years old when you came on tv, creeping into teenage years and this show exploded like a volcano in britain. you remember how big it was. it became the biggest show. only the royal wedding, diana and charles ever beat it in the ratings. compelling, gruesome, fist nating. >> not the oil wedding? >> both were, actually. >> both were in their own way. everybody wanted to go to dallas and lead this incredible life. welcome to all three of you. j.r., sue ellen and bobby. you will always be to me. >> this is the best intro we have ever gotten. >> since 1978. >> how do you all feel? now you have done filming and you have gone back in time.

was it all you hoped it would be? >> more. for the three of us. we had this realization that we would never work together again. we were the best of friends and had been for 35 years. the closest of friends. i have no closer friends than these two people. we knew we would never work again. whenever we stepped on screen in any form, people would say what you said. there is j.r., sue ellen and bobby. then this gift was presented to us. >> how amazing that you stayed so close? how unusual. >> it is for any business and any industry. to have friends you worked with and be friends 35 years later. >> we were this close day one. hello, how are you? >> mr. evil here, the dark dealer of evil scheming. >> moi? >> you look so nice and normal today. you were the great role model

for all older brothers. i tormented my brothers for years after you showed me the way. i want to thank you. they don't want to. your younger brother wants to kill me. he joined the army and got out of there. you are notion like j.r. in real life. everyone told me that. for you you couldn't bring it back without j.r. we agreed on that. were you concerned given that you were the top dog that you might damage the brand? >> yes. >> how long did you think about it? >> until they told me how much i was going to make. >> how much was it? are. >> i don't remember. doesn't matter now. i spent it already. >> it's a serious question because a lot of sequels turn out to be crashing disappointments. all the buzz around this is terrific. the blending of the great characters that we know with the

hot youngblood that comes through is so deliver it. gives it a chance of success. dallas was such a wonderful phenomenon of its time. i would understand the serious concern, particularly for you as a kind of leader of the pack. how much did the friendship come into it? >> i wouldn't be doing it without them. we wouldn't be doing it. somebody approached me and said would you like to do the show. are me friends going to be on the show? sure. then let's see the script. we liked it very much and we said yeah. only took about ten years to get going. >> people forget that we are dear friends and we do talk. so it isn't about one getting something and the other one not getting it or whatever. we talk all the time about the details. >> you look great. is everything okay? back to normal? >> so far. >> i love the fact that you brought this in.

>> no one knows who i am unless i put the hat on. >> the evil chuckle. was that your chuckle or one you perfected? >> in germany. they are saying give us that laugh in german. i said that's not me. that's my interpreter. >> should you hear him in japanese. >> we're did a montage of the great old days. you understand why i am so excited today. >> we want to see it. >> i had finally figured everything out. that's all. you have been trying to frame me. >> good morning. >> tell me, j.r., which slut of you going to stay with tonight? >> what difference does it make? whoever it is it's more interesting that the one i am looking at now. >> did he really say that?

>> he said that. >> i didn't know you could say that on tv. you pushed the envelope. you weren't evil? >> you think that's evil? >> do you like being for what you were, the most evil man on television? >> i don't think i was an evil man, but like a texas business man. >> evil. >> they keep bringing that up. >> i'm doing what people do for business. >> you can't stop being evil. he was wonderfully evil. constantly scheming and plotting even against his own family. >> especially his own family. >> did you like the reputation? >> of course i do. it's wonderful. >> how do people react now? >> the question they say is who shot j.r.? >> do you ever tell them? >> yeah. bing crosby's daughter. >> shot peter pan's son.

>> there were only about 3,000 suspects. that's the beauty of the plot line. it could have been anybody. when you guys are filming in dallas presuming you lived there, when you walk around, you must be like the royal family. they must go crazy. >> london, berlin. >> where are you most popular outside america? >> i think the uk. >> also germany. we are still playing in germ 18. every night. >> you and david hasselhoff. >> he is doing very well. >> let's take a short break and talk to you more about dallas and bring on the young turks in a moment. i want to luxureiate in my past. >> you were only 13. if there was a pill

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i feel emotional about this. the new dallas premiering next month on tnt. larry hagman and linda gray and patrick duffy with iconic roles. are you still a hopeless drink? i mean on the show. >> here answered my question. that's a question to me. this happens all the time. >> have you come to grips with your alcohol problem? >> i think have i come to grips with it. i trotted off to england with ian mcshane and left him for ian mcshane. wise woman. >> is j.r. any better behaved these days? >> to me? >> you look remarkably nice this that clip. >> but do we trust him? no, no, no. >> now an evil son. >> he's not evil. >> equally evil or misunderstood. >> he has a little bit of mean.

>> 90% evil. >> me about how bobby is involved. >> he's just sweet. what can i say? >> oh, please! >> the patriarch of the ewing family. he is the jock ewing. >> fill in the gaps. >> between the last 19 and the current, what have you been up to that you are proudest of in that period? >> i learned how to rest and take it easy. i did a couple of movies. kicking around. having a good time. >> when you look back on that period, was that the most satisfying time of your career? >> you mean dallas? of course. i had a nice comedy still on the air. 47 years later. i dream of jeannie. i had both worlds. the comedy and romantic. >> you are famed ridiculous. >> like a license to steal.

>> when you hear younger actors moaning about fame and intrusion and paparazzi and all that kind of thing, what do you think? >> find another profession. >> that's what i always think. if you don't like it, why do it? >> go out there and starve someplace else. >> do you have any sympathy about the price of fame? >> none whatsoever. i think it's fun. it can be fun. it can be a pain in the neck too, but i like it. >> do you agree? >> except that sometimes the most inappropriately prepared people achieve fame. i do have sympathy for those who are emotionally ill-equipped to deal with the skpbl they can be talented. if they are caught in the times when they are out in public, i have sympathy. >> it's tougher for women because they get much more scrutiny for how they look. whether you are famous or not, that kind can be heard of.

>> absolutely. >> you had it more than many. >> i am blessed because the industry tends to dismess women after a certain age. at me age to be working let again and thrown out in the public arena, it's a blessing. i'm happy about that. i do feel that it's much different now because they are look at your shoes and your purse and your ring and this and that. everything. everything is criticized. they look at the person. who is the person? they're looking at the dress and the style skpift this and that. it takes away from the person. >> on the internet, that completely changed. >> totally. >> everyone walks around and has a camera phone. they are all paparazzi. in the old days, you can walk around and no one would have a camera. >> for they did, you knew it. it was on their shoulder. >> the mobile phones now.

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what the hell are you doing? >> miss ellie threw him off the ranch. >> an80 years ago. >> you have no right to drill. >> bobby john was going to you tonight. >> you are a part of this? >> larry hagman and patrick duffy. joining us, welcome to the new brigade. you have the task of playing

j.r. jr. >> it was very intimidating trying to find out what would john ross be today after having this amazing loving father? >> my guess is evil. >> you know what, he is one of the nicest guys around. >> i don't want to hear that. i want to hear brutality. >> that was the j.r. way and he can put his own spin on it. >> massive pressure on you in particular. everybody is looking at being effectively the new j.r. with the old j.r. towering over you on set. how do you feel about it? >> well, i actually was completely excited about what i consider to be a fun challenge. i knew that there was probably a lot of expectation on the series in general, but who is j.r.'s spawn. everything or nothing like his

father. >> he was a baby. >> always looked up to dad. >> we're all worried about john ross. what is going to happen? he seems to have turned out okay. you play the ewings's cook's daughter. you are not a fully pledged ewing. >> i am not a ewing. >> knowing the way the interbreeding goes, it's only a matter of time. >> i am involved with both ewing so i am a lucky girl. >> a simultaneous fling? >> not simultaneous. i'm in love with both. how you have found it? >> it has been wonderful. i was a fan of dallas and -- >> you must have been about 5. >> i was very young. >> how old are you? >> i was born in 1980. >> two years after it started. you would have been 11 or 12. i can just about buy being a

fan. you are flesh blood replacing and with legends. >> we are not replacing which is why it was not terrifying. we are joining which is so wonderful. they have been so awesome and welcoming. >> impossible divas. >> easy, easy. >> it's so generous to work with. >> jesse, for you, from desperate housewives to dallas. does it get any better? >> i feel blessed to have the opportunity to be on another television phenomenon and this show has the potential to be huge. >> brilliantly done. the production values are great. the fusion between the two that could have been fraud with danger actually looks completely seamless. maybe because you haven't aged. it is ridiculous. you don't look a day older. >> i am. and wiser. >> many days older. this is one of the reasons it

must work. it looks like you are carrying on where you left off. >> worry that pilot episode and it was amazing and a seamless transition from where the show left off into the new series. as far as chemistry is concerned, these three set the tone. we like to call them the big three. their friendship and enthusiasm. >> it made us comfortable coming in. it helped the story lines. they welcome this with open arms. >> they get a check here. how have you been getting on? >> they are trying to frag us in. . >> could you imagine even in 1994, i wouldn't trust him. a leopard never changes his spots. for me as you can tell, this is terribly exciting.