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can do better. mariah is forever, i can't get her back, but i can help other parents keep their kids safe. if we save one child, we save a generation. the worse race riots this country has ever seen. and the man at the center. >> put your f-ing head face down with my hands up. no threats. >> rodney king. his race, his rage and his death. and this one, latino -- >> a black vote. >> what about the white people? >> the real deciders in the presidential election. and doubting the existence of god.
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if you're losing faith, you're not alone. >> a reading from the holy gospel. >> tonight we add, at this rate from now will anyone even believe in god jp i play double bet. good morning. i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. getting you up to speed. rodney king found dead in his home in suburban los angeles. the 47-year-old whose beating triggered riots 20 years was found at the bottom of his pool. police say, no sign of foul play. the acquittal of l.a. riots left 50 people dead. how america changed because of rodney king. ed national election in greece, it's over. >> voters pick the conservative new democracy party to form a government.
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taking european bailout, staying in the eurozone. had the opposition gotten more votes, greece ran the risk of dropping out of the euro and that would have pounded markets worldwide. strong winds fuming a wildfire in the lake george area of colorado. evacuations are under way. flames threaten a number of homes. and fort collins, trying to get the upper hand on the mattissiv hyde park fire. >> manhours dedicated to this fire. >> almost 200 homes already destroyed. high fire warnings are currently in place for nine western states. heading into a new week in washington and the president's big shift on immigration policy is still the talk of the town. the president made it easier friday for some children of illegal immigrants to the avoid deportation. he called it the fair and just thing to do. a top obama aide told our candy
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crowley politics was not a factor in the decision. it's building a lot of steps we've already taken. >> could have done it last year, the year before. could have done the year before that. >> we've been trying to get the dream act done, pass immigration reform. this bill is in a series of states. again, our law enforcement personnel and the focus where it should be focused, on criminals. deportation is -- >> got it. you can't say it was not done with some political consideration t. was not. >> five months before the election? >> well, listen, who knows how had the politics will turn out, but this decision was the right decision -- we'll see. i've e ceased making predictions on things because we'll see how they turn out. >> mitt romney disagrees. he believes it was politics and told cbs this was behind the presidential new policy.
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he said he would look for a longer term solution. >> well it would be overtaken by events by you will of me putting in place a long-term solution with legislation which creates law that relates to these individuals such that they know that what it's going to be. not for the term of the president but for a long-term basis. >> would you leave this in place while you worked out a long-term solution or would you just repeal it? >> we'll look at that setting as we reach that. the beating of rodney king was clearly much more than a case of police brutality. it pulled back a curtain revealing a dark truth about race relation sns america. living in los angeles during the riots sparked by rodney king's case and when the riots started, no internet, no twitter, no cell
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phone. how did you find out or people in los angeles find out the city was starting to burn? >> my family and i were huddled around the tv watching the news. i didn't get scared until my mom and dad were scared. when you're a kid, your parents are ten feet tall to you. when they were scared, my dad lived through the first riots in los angeles and this even scared him. >> this went on for days. >> this went on for at least a week. >> at least a week. what was it like as child? did you have to stay at home? did you go home, out and about? did you go to school? >> looking outside your balcony, 15 minutes north from downtown los angeles, many riots in downtown central. seeing the smoke plumes 15 maintains away was chilling t. has a lasting event? >> formative event. >> why so? >> probably the reason i went into news. so many things going on in los angeles during the '90s and the rodney king incident was a big part of that. no matter the color of your skin, brown, black, asian,
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whatever, if you were living in los angeles at this time, this impacted you and it had a big impact on me and my family. >> you say that, i had just become -- i was a cub journalist in a new york city newsroom when the riots broke out and we were saying what is going on? and they were closing down fifth avenue and stores on the fancy shops in manhattan because they thought the rioting may spread across country and come to new york. an event not only in the u.s. but the world watched this event. >> it resonated everywhere. i talked to my dad asking if we could move to las vague jis it wasn't impacted by the rioting. i wanted to get out. everybody else wanted to get out. we were watching our city burn to the ground. >> one of the first big incidents caught on videotape. pre-cell phone. >> everyone had a camera. >> and eastern, one of the first, if not the first pup know what? few other incidents caught on camera that evoke as much passion from people and response
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than that rodney king beating. the subsequent video that came out from the riot. >> i remember that. you covered it with vigor during the 20th anniversary. it seems so recent that this happened. left a lasting impact and impression on everyone that lived in los angeles. >> nick valencia lived out in los angeles when that happened. just last year rodney king took me back to the very spot of the famous beating and talk and turning his life around. new man. 20 years later, he said. >> i considered myself a decent, good human being. >> this is rodney king that night in the days that followed like you've never seen before, next.
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entire neighborhoods burned to the ground. now, two decades later, what's it like to be the man whose beating seen around the world ignited one of the worst race riots in u.s. history? do you still have nightmares? >> yeah, yeah. i do. >> reporter: what's a nightmare? you wake up? tossing and turning? >> times even hearing the voices going on that night. get down! get down! get down, you f-ing -- you know, those words. it's all right. i look outside. it's all green, blue. >> reporter: king's nightmare begins just after midnight. he and two friends out celebrating head west on the 210 freeway. >> i had just gotten word that my old construction company had called me to come back to work
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that following monday. >> reporter: but the celebration is cut short. state police caught king's core going 110 miles per hour and immediately start a nearly eight-mile high-speed chase through l.a. neighborhoods. [ sirens ] >> i was doing it. i did every bit of 100, and i'm not proud of it. >> reporter: following our interview, rodney king agrees to relive those terrifying moments by taking me back to the scene. >> coming down the 210. >> reporter: as we retrace his stipes we discuss those split-second decisions. >> i exit he on paxton. >> reporter: where did you pull over? >> i seen all those apartments over there, so i said, oh, man. let me stop right here. if it goes down, somebody will see it. >> reporter: once they stop, they are surrounded by police.
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king's two friends are arrested without incident, but rodney king would have a much different fate. >> when i opened the door, she said, take three steps back away from the car. which i did that. took three steps back. three steps back. laid down. so when i laid down, i laid down like this and my face was facing this way to see them and they said, look, put your f-ing it face down, face down. then face down. bam. took the blow. bam. a real hard blow it temple. when he did that, i just stood up and i went up like that to run this way with my hands up. to show no threat. and that's when i didn't know that my leg was broken. >> reporter: if you're just hearing now, king was found dead node los angeles drowned in his swimming pool. coming up a little later, i talk with rodney king about the challenges he faced over the past 20 years. the president seems to have a new strategy when it comes to
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the president make as surprise shift on immigration policy. but why he calls it the right thing do but critics see politics as the motivation. i talked with will cane and maria cardona and asked maria if the president could have made his immigration decision three years ago and if the move was really about gaining political support from hispanics. >> he would have loved to do this three years ago or at any time before now, don, but what happened? absolutely sezero support from y republican in congress to help them do this. let's remember, he cannot change the laws or pass laws by themselves. democrats can not do it by themselves. he needs republicans. remember in 2010 he famously
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tried to pat the dream act. he called republican senators asking them for their support on this. you know how many voted for it then? three. he needs help on this. >> i understand what you're saying but you cannot say this is about politics. of course it's about politics. he wants to be the president again. >> look, don, if the president yawns during an election year, people lp say that he's trying to get the votes of sleepy voters. i'm saying that everything he does this year will be looked at through the prism of politics. >> go ahead, will. >> we know what happens. maria asked. we know what happens when your policy goals meet a stonewall of inaction through the democratic process. we now know the answer to that question and have numerous examples to support our conclusion. the president picks and chooses which laws he will support, enforce. that's the word to use. enforce. that's the power granted the president through the constitution. to enforce the law. we now know the president will pick and choose which of those laws he chooses to enforce. listen here, maria, i hope we
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can have this conversation without partisanship. this lay as precedent that should terrify everyone. terrify everyone. >> listen, okay, i'm going to ask both of you this -- >> no. >> -- and everyone is saying, it's -- it's no secret that people believe there is inaction in congress and in washington that nothing is getting done. so if the president can figure out a way of getting it done, hang on, maria, what's wrong -- what's wrong with that? if you are being stonewalled every place you turn and you figure out a way to get something done, regardless of which party you're from, what's wrong with that? if you can figure out a way to do it? >> well, don what you're suggesting is the democratic process is insufficient to politic your policy goals. the president basically has two outs on not enforcing a congressional law. a law passed by congress through the democratic process. one, if he sees the law is unconstitutional. there's noz here, no serious argument whether or not this is
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constitutional. our immigration laws, whether they're constitutional. the second is prosecutorial discretion. we don't have the nonpurchase sue a certain criminal not we will invalidate an entire law. honestly, ask yourself this, maria la to wonder, what happened if the president mrp mar -of-mitt romney decides i don't like obama care. i'm not using the internal revenue service to pay the fines for not buying the mandated insurance? people are asking these questions. >> let her answer. go ahead? >> first of all, let's tell truth here. this is not an absolute decree and the president said it very clearly. this is still a case-by-case review of each case that comes before them. it is, like you said, will, prosecutorial discretion, which the president has under the law. so she not basically ignoring anything. >> that's not true. >> he is using the authority he
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has under current law to do a case-by-case review of each of these kids who, by the way, have done nothing, have done nothing wrong of their own doing, and by the way, you're right. this actually has been done before. bush famously when he signed legislation, includes statement saying if he doesn't like pieces of the law he wouldn't going to enforce it. >> i thanks to maria and will. firefighters in colorado now have even more to worry about. details next. plus this -- >> this one here -- >> the black vote -- >> what about the white people? the real deciders in the presidential election. 0 times a? so brighten your smile a healthy way with listerine® whitening plus restoring rinse. it's the only rinse that makes your teeth two shades whiter and two times stronger. ♪ listerine® whitening... power to your mouth. but proven technologies. allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy,
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king's fiance heard the splash, walked out to find his body at bottom of the pool. no signs of foul play. the acquittal of l.a. police officers seen beating king on video king sparked days of rioting that left more than 50 people dead. the greek people enact add government today. a conservative one that promises to keep greece in the eurozone. 340e67 most of the financial world including the u.s. holding its breath waiting to see global reaction in the morning. also election weekend in egypt. voters there went to the polls to pick their first president since the fall of hosni mubarak. polls are now closed. the vote counting is under way and expect results to be officially announced on thursday. dangerous conditions out west where yet another fire has erupted due to hot, dry conditions. evacuations are under way in the lake george area of colorado. meantime, firefighters near fort
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collins are trying to get the upper hand on the massive hyde park fire. almost 200 homes already destroyed and more than 55,000 acres burned. fire warnings are currently in place for nine western states. lawyers for jerry sandusky are expected to begin presenting their defense tomorrow. the prosecution is expected to rest its case. so far the jury has heard from men describing years of sexual abuse at the hands of sandusky. former penn state assistant football coach, he's charged with 52 counts of molesting ten boys for more than a decade. we like to see questions get answered on this program. but not like this. >> it is the right thing to do. excuse me, sir. it's not time for questions, sir. not while i'm speaking. precisely because this is temporary. >> there is no way we're going to pard than disruption on tonight's "no talking points."
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it is time now for "no talking points." neil monroe, how dare you. >> it is the -- it is the right thing to do. excuse me, sir. i -- it's not time for questions, sir. i -- not while i'm speaking. precisely because this is temporary. >> matt lewis, the nerve. >> there was going to be no question and answer. this was the only chance he had to ask a question -- >> it happens all the time. he had no business disrupting the president.
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>> they should be -- >> the audacity. editor-in-chief of the website, to defend boorish behavior by writing "i don't remember diane sawyer scolding her colleague sam donaldson for heckling president reagan and sum up the response saying we're proud of neil munro. what ifled you in the middle of your "dancing with the stars" routine? oh, no. you didn't win. in fact, the first to be sent packing. a big difference between neil munro, for starters who the hell is neil munro. never once i interrupt a president while making a formal statement. what munro did toll me was wrong and unusual. new to me. also he says many on the political right think this president ought not to be there.
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oppose him not for his policies and political view but for who he is, an african-american. finally, the elephant in the rose garden. thank you, sam donaldson. enough said there. so while some in the conservative media called munro's hissy fit refreshing, most, thankfully, denounced it. >> i think it's outrageous. mr. munro was absolutely wrong with interfering with the president's statement. >> he's representing all of us. >> i'm hoping tucker didn't see it, didn't know the context, because tucker knows better. >> you must respect the president of the office even if you don't like the person in it. >> yes, other presidenting, sam donaldson, ed henry and president obama. hank even dodged shoes and the guy taken down by security. this is america. not a war zone and we pride
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ourselves on civility and respect the office of the presidency just as we respect the courage of a man or woman who dons a uniform to fight for our country. as a journalist i know there are waying to get my questions answered. maybe not always on the timeline i want but there's always a way to do it and mr. munro interrupting the leader of the free world in the white house in front of an international audience is not the bap quite frankly yushgs the one who should be asking and answering a whole lot of questions of yourself. and that's tonight's "no talking points."
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when i talked about it with those from the "wall street journal" i asked anna why it seems there's no love for white voters in this campaign. >> oh, i think there's plenty of love for white voters. you've got mitt romney doing a bus tour right now through new hampshire. through ohio. through pennsylvania. got to tell you, don, i've been to new hampshire. i've been to ohio, and there's a lot of white people there. so i think they're getting plenty of love. they are -- and it's a good voting group for republicans. we actually have a white male gap that obama has got to overcome. >> yeah. and that's why we're talking about this and trust me. i was at the iowa state fair, and so your point is well taken there, anna. stephen a new gallup survey shows the president pulling in 31% among white voter. is that a white voter problem? you wrote about this, this week, didn't you? >> it is. it is a big problem for
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president obama. i wrote this story down, as you said at the outset of the show, everybody talks about the black vote, latino vote, but nobody looks closely at the biggest voter block of all which, of course, is still whites. it's about 70% to 75% of the electorate. when i started to look at those numbers in the polling, lo and behold it shows that barack obama does have a white voter problem that's worse than it was back in 2008. and let me say this. i actually believe, don no question that in 2008 that barack obama's race was actually an asset. americans loved the idea of electing the first black president. i think that really helped him in the election. it was cool to be for barack obama. it's a little bit of a problem, though. let me put it this way. it's not as big an asset now as it was then, because barack obama has a record to run on, and so you do have more skepticism of white voters. by the way, the polling also shows that barack obama is doing
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unbelievably well with black voters. i've seen polls as high as 94%, 95% of the black vote is for barack obama. >> the interesting thing this time, world black electorate, be as passionate about going to the polls as the last time? >> great point. >> if that doesn't happen, ire think it's going to pose a big challenge for president obama. but it's interesting, anna, and stephen, because last time you would think barack obama is president of the united states. you would think he garnered most of the white vote. as i showed, he didn't. john mccain did. so, stephen, i want to also talk about something you mentioned a little earlier. you talked about people last time were proud to go to the polls and vote, because of the idea of a black president. do you think some liberals have white guilt -- just being honest, because we had talked about this -- and when they go into the polls this time, they may be reluctant to deny the first black president a second term? >> i think there's a little bit
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of that. no question about, look, the american people like barack obama. not just because of his race and being the first black president, he's just a likable person. >> does the economy outweigh that? >> definitely it does, yes. that's the reason barack obama has a problem. where the problem is most severe and i looked at the kind of cross-tabulations in this polling data. there's a kind of white middle-class anxiety out there and a lot of white middle-class voters did vote for barack obama in 2008 but they're feeling the stress in their pocketbook, feeling financial strain. no a family member who doesn't have a job. don, you put your finger on it, yes. the economic issues are trumping these issue, well, it's cool to be for barack obama. >> i think you know -- don i think it's a lot less about race i think, than it is about history. four years ago obama was a phenomenon. a historical moment and opportunity. the thing is you can only make history once and he's made it.
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now he's no longer the historical figure. she the gray-haired president with a four-year record to defend and contend with. we're talking about two completely different barack obama. he's not less black or more black today than they was four years ago, and it's not about that issue. it's the historical component that i think is the determinant factor. >> one last point. >> go ahead. >> barack obama does have to get 40% of the white voters. hard for him to go over the finish line. right now, he's at about 48%. he has work to do. up next -- and doubting the existence of god? if you're losing faith, you're not alone. >> a reading from the holy gospel. tonight we ask -- at this rate, decades from now, will anyone believe god even exists? i play devil's advocate.
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los angeles police and street violence permanently changed los angeles, its police department and the conversation of race in america. i talked with nick valencia living in l.a. 20 years ago when the riots exploded. >> my family and i were huddled around the tv. i was about 8 years old watching the news. i didn't get scared until my mom and dad were scared. when you're a kid, your parents are like eight, ten feet tall to you. this even scared my dad. >> this went on for days. >> for at least a week. >> at least a week. what was it like as a child? did you have to stay at home? could you go to school? go out and about? >> imagine this, looking outside your balcony, 15 minutes from downtown los angeles where many riots were concentrated in south central. seeing smoke on the tv and looking outside your balcony and seeing the same smoke plumes 15 minutes away. >> did it have a lasting effect?
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>> very formative. probably why i went into news. so much going on in the '90s and the rodney king incident was a big part of that. no matter the color of your skin, brown, black, asian, whatever, if you were living in los angeles at this time this impacted you and it had a big impact on me and my family. >> you say that i had just -- i was a cub journalist in a new york city newsroom when the riots broke out. we were saying what is going on? they were closing down fifth avenue and stores on the fancy, the fancy shops in manhattan because they thought the rioting might spread across country and come to new york. this was an event not only new york but the world was watching. >> resonated everywhere. i remember asking my dad, could we move to las vegas. i wanted out. we were watching our city burn to the ground. >> one of the first business incidents caught on videotape.
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pre-cell phone. >> everybody had a cam ranchts o camera. >> one of the first if not the first, few videos evoke as much passion and response than rodney king beating and then the subsequent videos that came out from the riot. >> i remember that. you covered it with vigor during the 20th anniversary. that's why it seems so recent this happened. it left a lasting impact and impression on everybody that lived in los angeles. >> nick valencia lived in l.a. when the riots happened. thanks very much. we appreciate it. for a man whose severe beating changed america, rodney king struggled to become a changed man himself. i sat down with him in his living room where he told me about his battles and that he continued to live his life in fear. >> reporter: in 209209 -- 20 ye since his life was turned upside down, he's 20 years older and
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according to him a lot wiser. he admits his past is riddled with bad decisions. >> if you could do it all over again what would you do? would you go out that night? >> i'd stay home. i think i'd have stayed home. >> reporter: for years after the beating, rodney king continued to have run-ins with the law. in 1996, he was sentenced to 90 days for a hit-and-run involving his wife. he was also arrested several times on charges related to domestic abuse. drug intoxication, and indecent exposure. >> why after all that? >> that's what people would say. especially black people. why after all that, rodney, are you still getting in trouble? >> i guess the trouble they see me in is a part of my life that i'm working on. >> reporter: and 20 years later, rodney king still lives in fear. >> years after the beating, you wore a vest? >> oh, yeah. >> reporter: do you still wear a vest?
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>> yeah, i do. i do. >> reporter: he wear as bullet-proof vest in large crowds, because threats against his life were all too real. the fbi once infiltrate add white supremacist plot to the assassinate king. >> you know, i -- i never feel safe, you know. things that happen. >> when you are part of history and it changes for the bet. you've got a lot of devilish people throughout that don't like it. >> reporter: for rodney king, the blood on his face, that mug shot of you with the blood yorn face, who was he then? >> oh, man. that to still have that face to be able -- to be able to see that face. >> reporter: and rodney king now? all cleaned up. trimmed goatee. beads around his neck. who is rodney king now?
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okay. for your sunday night mysteries we solve one puzzle and give you -- one of the big -- the unsolved one. who in the world of these people? photographs found on civil war battlefields in the pockets of dead northerners and southerner, as well. the civil war museum in virginia is hoping somebody recognizes at least one of these faces and speaks up. i'm reading this on purpose because i want you to look at these faces and they'll return these to their rightful owners. the museum knows it was a long shot. wouldn't it be amazing if they actually do find ap descendant? and no longer a mystery tonight. a young man who told police in germany he's an orphan and has been living in the woods alone since he was a little kid. forest boy. turns out this story was b.s. you know what b.s. stands for, and he really is a dutch guy who is kind of a troublemaker back home.
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somebody in holland recognized him, called authorities. so forest boy that been staying at a youth home in berlin getting money and free clothes. germans are going to put him on a train back to the netherlands. so al veert zal veert zane, for. nice try. what you need know. the president's plans for the week -- i'm athena jones in washington. president obama begins this week in mexico at g-20 summit in respect he's expected to meet russian president vladimir putin and differences over syria are almost certain to come up. at the end of the weeshgs the battleground of florida talking to latino leaders in a conference in orlando. latinos are a key voting branch to watch in october. and i'm poppy harlow. greece's election, the outcome will impact markets around the
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globe given the significance of the future of the eurozone. back here in the united states, the federal reserve holds a two-day policy meeting this week. very close attention will be paid to comments from chairman ben bernanke following that meeting, especially any hints whether or not the fed will act further to stimulate the u.s. economy. also on the docket, the latest sales and home building numbers. a lot coming up on wall street this week. i'm "showbiz tonight's" michelle turner. bringing you all the biggest daytime emmy award nominees. going one on one. watch all next week and make sure to watch the daytime emmys on june 23rd right here on hln. thanks, guys. on this show we tend to ask the questions a lot of others are afraid to ask, and this weekend was no different. this past week we learned young people are more and more questioning the existence of god. so i asked, where is the proof that god even exists?
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it was time to play devil's advocate with jim and tammi baker's son. >> questioning the existence of god. i'm going to lay it throughout for you. give me the physical proof of that god exists. >> the idea that everyone sees god as this being in the sky when really i think if you look at god as being, like, the -- the ground of being. god is the ground below us. god is in everything, and so for me i can't prove to you, that's why it's called faith. you know if it was a belief it would be called belief, but for me it's faith. >> listen, a lot of people would come on and say, of course i can prove to you that there is a god. look at the sun. look at the moon. look at the trees. how do you think the wind and -- i was talking to people on social media and i said to them, give me physical proof that god exists, and those were similar answers. i said, what about recorded
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conversations? physical proof? so -- really playing devil's advocate here, but there is no real physical proof. is there? >> no, no -- i mean, there's not. the sun is a pretty interesting-year-old because it's an amazing thing to study. but, no. there's no physical proof and the thing, though, is, we have to realize, doubt is not the opposite of faith. doubt is actually an element of faith. so you know, that was said by paul tillic and i have to agree with that. you can't have one without the other. when you don't doubt, you don't grow. and you don't question things. i think it's important to question things. i think faith is becoming something else, but i also do think the church is going to shrink. i do think we're going to see less religious peel because oplf partisan politics and how the church has treated the gay community. i think we're definitely going to see a decline. >> for those among us who consider themselves christian,
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if you actually read the bible and read the red parts. jesus said, doubt, doubt, doubt. you should doubt everything. >> well, he doubted, you know, in the garden of geth semi asem on the cross. a godforsaken by god. in a way, even christ was an atheist at one point. >> interesting. ah. saying subversive things here. show you a quote from stephen hawking, he recently told a guardian, i regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. there is no heaven or afterlife or broken down computers. that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark. hawking says he has come to this final conclusion. that's his final conclusion. listen. >> it's my view that the simplest explanation is, there is no god. no one created the universe, and no one directs our fate. >> arguably one of the greatest
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minds of our time. do you think people are starting to see heaven as a fairy story? >> yeah. i think so. i think it started when people started questioning hell. and now people question heaven. what's important shat is that w don't live for death. we have life after death and love each other and focus on helping each other and necessarily you don't have to have re for that. for some it's a comfort. for some of it it's -- it's shown us a whole new world. like, i'm obsessed with the idea of grace. you know, because of the bible and the church. >> listen, i have to run. but i want to ask you, why aren't you writing -- why aren't you writing a book on doubt? >> because it's something i've dealt with over the past years. you know, i doubt just as much as anybody else does, and i think it's important to realize that doubt is part of faith. it is an element of faith, and it's okay.
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