of mubarak's cabinet. we are watching all of this unfold. we're not going far away. we're staying atop of this story. huge ramifications for the region and the united states. our coverage continues now with cnn's john king. john? >> thanks, wolf. good evening, i am john king. welcome to viewers in the united states and around the world. let's continue this coverage. conflicting reports tonight about whether hosni mubarak is dead. the state run middle east news agency has reported mubarak was declared clinically dead shortly after arriving at a military hospital in cairo. he was taken there after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest. but a general a member of egypt's supreme council of armed forces tells cnn the former president is not clinically dead, but that source telling us his health is deteriorating and he is in critical condition. ivan, that square was filled with a huge crowd, demonstrating because of political

uncertainty. what are your sources telling you, how hard is it to break through? we had rumors before, what is fact and rumor? >> reporter: clear tough, especially because the debate over hosni mubarak's health has constantly been coming up in the course of thepast year and a half since he was ousted from power, similar protests in tahrir square, warnings that his health was deteriorating, and this as he was being brought on charges of corruption, as an accomplice to the deaths of hundreds of protesters in january and february of 2011. he was found guilty on most charges and acquitted on corruption charges. we have this middle east news agency report saying that he was clinically dead, denied by supreme council of armed forces which is arguing he is in critical condition now, but that his health is deteriorating, and

that is overshadowing the political struggle under way of the seismic political changes we've seen. with historic presidential elections last weekend taking place, and at the same time a naked power grab by the military council that assumed control of the country after mubarak stepped down a year and a half ago that has pledged to hand over authority to an elected civilian government, but instead has overseen the dissolution of recently elected parliament, two days before presidential elections, and assumed legislative powers and additional presidential powers, and that has been called a soft coup by the supporters of the muslim brotherhood candidate who have gathered by the tens of thousands tonight. their numbers are thinning now to celebrate what they claim is the victory of their candidate in last weekend's presidential elections and to denounce the recent power grab by the ruling

military council. it is a complicated mess and shows that after hosni mubarak stepped down and whatever his health conditions are, egypt's transition is still as rocky and confusing as ever. john? >> ivan, as we try to sort this out, there's obviously som of health emergency, whether he is clinically dead or in dire situation, trying to sort that out, it begs this question. you mention the military council has essentially made clear in recent days we are in charge and we plan on keeping major influence. that is the old mubarak guard, most of those generals. is there any indication while he has been on trial, while we know his health has been a question mark, is hosni mubarak in any way still pulling any levers of power in egypt? >> reporter: you know, i would argue that he was made the fall guy, given a way basically, he was placed on trial while many

of the former elements of the regime are still very much in place, and while there was celebration when mubarak was convicted as an accomplice to the deaths of hundreds of protesters earlier this month, many senior aides were implicated in that were acquitted, and that was greeted with fury by egyptian revolutionaries, by the relatives of the hundreds of people who were killed, and that was shown as evidence to them that very little had changed at the top. now you have had just now arguably the first free and fair elections, the first time egyptians have ever in thousands of years gone to the polls to elect their own leader, their own president, and it wasn't clear who was going to win the election, but before the results were even counted, before the official results were even made,

the supreme council of the armed forces had basically seized power, a lot of presidential and legislative powers before the victor was even declared. that has thrown the muslim brotherhood into a very difficult position. their candidate has been told that if he wins, he has to take an oath of office from the constitutional court, the same court that last thursday declared the muslim brotherhood dominated parliament null and void. that is a poison chalice he has to drink from if he has won the election. the crowd here was chanting the muslim brotherhood candidate's name through the evening. >> and i want to end on that, going back to the crowd. these pictures of reminiscent of arab spring, major moment in cairo that led to mubarak having to step down and aside.

on the ground today there, was there any reaction to this report and how big an influence, any love lost be the words there in tahrir square for hosni mubarak. >> reporter: no love lost, of course rgs and part of this gathering was for the candidate who declared himself president, even though official results aren't out yet. part of what they did is to try to integrate himself with the idea of that revolution of january and february, 2011 that caught the eyes of the world and that helped drive hosni mubarak out of power after nearly 30 years as the head of state here. they were trying to regain some of that revolutionary fervor and credibility. he has been cast away by some of the same tahrir square revolutionaries that were calling for democracy.

there was a boycott movement during the course of this presidential election, and there were also millions of people who voted against him who voted in fact for hosni mubarak's handpicked prime minister. many of them voted for him on the grounds that they were tired of these types of protests, tired of economic hardship and downturn that egypt suffered since mubarak stepped down. they were voting for shafiq, many of them because they saw him as a source of stability and of course his campaign is still arguing that they, in fact, won the election. so there are many questions in the air right now in egypt. is the former dictator alive or dead? who is the president of this country, and whoever is elected, will he have any power or is it going to be the shadowing army generals still running the show as some would argue they have done for decades in this

country, john. >> ivan watson tracking the breaking news there, tens of thousands in tahrir square. i want to take you to capitol hill, eric holder just met with chairman of the house committee that's threatening to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress. let's listen. >> to do that at this point, i hope he will change his mind. >> freshman leadership to head this off? >> i don't want to answer that question. [ inaudible ] >> isn't that what you're asking him to do? >> not necessarily. we made an offer that we will make these things available on the condition that subpoena would be considered resolved, and to the extent other questions may be generated as a result of turning over documents, we are prepared to

answer questions. >> thank you. >> clearly what needs to be done to break the log jam. >> you see the attorney general of the united states there walking away from reporters. just had a meeting with darrell issa, chairman of the house reform and oversite. he is the top law enforcement officer of the united states, under threat of contempt citation because republican lawmakers say he has not done enough. they accuse him of stonewalling investigation into a program called fast and furious. that was a program set up initially to track gun sales to mexican drug cartels. instead, the program went awry. u.s. guns went to the cartels, one found at the slaying of a u.s. border patrol agent. republicans on that committee and republican house now prepared to cite him to vote, a contempt citation. you heard the attorney general saying he came to capitol hill to see if he could reach compromise with darrell issa, said he was unable to do that.

there were offers on the table, but unable to at this point. we will go back to that story as well. there are conflicting reports out of cairo tonight about the health of the former president, hosni mubarak. he stepped down more than a year ago because of demonstrations in tahrir square, demanding change, the most dramatic moment of the arab spring, more than 30 year ruler of egypt stepping aside. bring in international anchor, when you hear the conflicting reports, middle east news agency says he is declared clinically dead, a general a member of the military council telling cnn no, he has a health scare, but is in critical condition, not clinically dead. my question to you as someone that knows the region, is this a case where you just have honest conflicting information or do people involved here have agendas that led to the --

>> it is a situation that's so confusing and so chaotic in a country like egypt, you are going to have people making statements. some accused perhaps those closest to hosni mubarak to exaggerate his health problems so he would be moved from prison to a curby hospital suite. but we understand from several sources it seems as though his health situation really is pretty dire. the question is, is he clinically dead, is he really on death's door, did he have a stroke, did he have a heart attack, is he in a coma now, which is another report we're receiving. john, when i look at the situation in egypt now, there was nothing two years ago more stable than an arab dictatorship. you have one winner one day, next day it is another winner, third day both claim victory. one day hosni mubarak is alive, the next he is perhaps clinically dead, 20 minutes later, someone denies it. one day a parliament democrat

cli elected, the next it is not. there's confusion and so much uncertainty in this country. and why does it matter? because egypt is a very important country in the region. it is the most populous country. what happens there sets precedence for the rest of the region and whether or not other countries will go down their own road to what they hope will be a more democratic open system, john. >> hala, many may view it as a cold question, i don't mean it to be heartless question, but my question in this case, hosni mubarak, when you get these reports, he was called the pharaoh, he ruled more than 30 years since the anwar sadat assassination. in terms of the future political course his country will take, does it matter whether he is dead or alive? >> some might call that a cold question, it is a good question

though. and i think the answer to that question is what did he represent symbol cli that people will feel is gone when he is gone. i think not much. you have to remember, hosni mubarak was a military man that traded in his uniform for a suit. but not just him, his predecessor, anwar sadat traded in his uniform for a suit. so what are we going to see in egypt? will it be more military men in uniform holding on to power which is the concern many have after they issued this declaration, addendum to the constitution, grabbing more power, or will eventually some form of democracy end up settling in to egypt? i think that's going to be the answer to the question of whether or not his death matters. it's more a symbolic moving on rather than really this one dictator that has been the leader of this country or was up

until february of 2011. for most egyptians, most of their lives, john. >> mubarak used to mean stability in the region. she will continue to work her sources, correspondents in cairo and around the world working theirs as well. more on this developing news. we will get more details of the attorney general's meeting on capitol hill just breaking up. and next, dramatic developments in the jerry sandusky trial. sandusky's wife tells the jury she never saw any sexual abuse, but says one of her husband's accusers, quote, had his problems. there are a lot of warning lights and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat.

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dramatic developments in the trial of jerry sandusky today. sandusky's wife dottie took the stand today and she said she didn't witness any sexual abuse by her husband. listen to what she did say about one of the young bhen. he had his problems, he was dmangd, conniving, didn't listen a lot. bring in susan candiotti. susan, sandusky's lawyers trying to cast doubt on the alleged victim's testimony saying they're making up claims. it is risky. did they make their point? >> reporter: they tried to make their point. short of jerry sandusky on the stand, one of the most anticipated witnesses, dottie

sandusky. she was on the stand 45 minutes, composed throughout. she said she never heard any noises coming from the basement. some of the accusers said alleged attacks took place. she said she never saw inappropriate conduct, and took issue with one of the accusers in this case that said during a bowl game that dottie sandusky walked in on him and her husband when they were both in a compromising position and sandusky was about to allegedly about to sexually assault this young man. she said instead when she walked in, she saw her husband yelling at a boy because he wouldn't go to a dinner that night for which they paid $50 for a ticket. the key question came from prosecutors when they said well, why do you think all these boys, these young men now would lie? and she said i don't know. john, what we're waiting to find out now is whether jerry sandusky will take the stand before the defense wraps its

case. his defense attorneys tell us they haven't made the final call just yet. john? >> dramatic call to make. susan candiotti, thank you. wendy murphy, you heard her saying stay tuned. do you think, you're a former prosecutor. if you were jerry sandusky's lawyer, would you let him get on the stand? >> not unless i wanted to be sued for malpractice after the fact. i don't mean to laugh about it. i offered to eat my shoe to prove how strongly i feel he won't take the stand. it would be a disaster. among other things, the prosecution could go over each victim's testimony for hours, if not days. that's not good for the defense, period. so i don't see that happening. i think dottie in the sense is a theatrical expression of jerry, in a sense, the defense is trying to persuade the jury she's a seemingly nice woman, he can't be that dangerous, a woman like her wouldn't be married to a guy like that. and you know, i think it doesn't

matter. jury expects a wife to lie for her husband, not sure she watched or knew about abuse. why would he do it in front of her, she's going to life for him, she's the wife. that's why the prosecution didn't cross examine her which was in sulting to the defense, powerful to the jury. we don't want to cross examine her, she didn't make a dent in our case. >> you say didn't make a dent in our case. there's a risk you pass an opportunity? >> yeah. but if there's nothing to be gained because you feel like you've got a slam dunk case, why bother? it's really powerful to -- >> we lost our signal there with wendy. our apologies for that, a technical issue. apologies to wendy. we'll keep in touch. still ahead, jp morgan ceo,

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this is cnn breaking news. see the live pictures there. i'll stop a second so you can listen. chanting in tahrir square. this to politically protest the presidential election that both sides claim victory. you see the thousands in tahrir square demonstrating for their candidate. conflicting reports about the health of the former president, hosni mubarak. the middle east news agency reports he is clinically dead, although a general on military council tells cnn he is in critical condition, but says the former president's health is not that dire. we're continuing to track that breaking news. lisa sylvester has other news. >> we start with another developing story.

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story. see the picture of the former president of egypt, hosni mubarak. there are questions tonight about his health. at the vermoment, crowds by the tens of thousands are gathered in tahrir square to protest relating to the recent presidential election in egypt. my colleague from cnn international, christiane amanpour joins us. one report says hosni mubarak is clinically dead, a general on the military council saying he is in critical condition but not dead. you were the last person to interview hosni mubarak before he stepped down, almost a year and a half ago. help us understand the significance of this man and the moment. >> reporter: well, john, president mubarak health has been systematically declining since he stepped down in february of 2011. remarkably, alone amongst all the arab dictators in this arab spring, mubarak was the only one to actually seize the voices of people. after 18 days of protest, stepped down. he has been the only one to face

justice in his own country at the hands of the people. and he was convicted june 3rd, a few weeks ago, at a military hospital where he had been throughout the process then to a prison. sources close to the family that know tell me there were not the kind of medical conditions that were necessary for someone of mubarak's failing health. they didn't have the technological support nor the medical doctors there. so he has been progressively declining since he was moved to that tora prison june 3rd. mubarak as you know for a long, long time, more than 30 years in power, was a very, very close and loyal ally of the united states, and indeed of israel as well, and when i spoke to him just shortly before he stepped down in february of 2011, he said to me that he was fed up. he knew he had to step down, he would step down, and that he

wanted to do so after a period of transition. he said to me there would be chaos otherwise. and of course, what we're seeing in egypt now is not chaos, it is most definitely political gridlock and political confusion, and you see the military having effectively taken over and stripped all power of any president, democratically elected or not. mubarak also said he wanted his dignity preserved, and he hoped he would be able to slip away into exile, not from the country. he told me he would never flee egypt, but that he would die on egyptian soil. he hoped he would be able to live out his years away from the glare and away from power, and stepping down would be enough. and he hoped, he counted on the military to protect him. after all, he was one of them. i think what i can tell from people i have spoken to, he felt very betrayed. not so much by the people of

egypt, but by those who he was closest to. the military and indeed by the united states and others, you remember the u.s. insisted he step down and there was never an accounting for mubarak's allies, for his loyalty and friendship and the fact he had been a long-standing ally of the united states. i spoke to the israeli president receiving the presidential medal of freedom from president obama, i asked him about president mubarak. he said from my point of view, he demands respect. he kept the peace, he kept to the camp david peace accord. because of him, he said there has been no major war in the middle east for 30 years. so to put him in some perspective, it was interesting to hear a states man talking about somebody who had been their partner for all these years. john? >> christiane amanpour of cnn

international in egypt. thank you for that important reporting and perspective. we'll keep in touch through the hours ahead as we sort through the conflicting information on hosni mubarak. back to a dramatic story state side, unlike the reception he had in the senate, jp morgan ceo jamie dimon faced a firing squad about why he couldn't detect or stop the billion dollar trading loss. he assured that the company was stable but couldn't avoid this question. >> are you too big to fail? >> we're not too big to fail. >> joining me now, ranking member of the committee, barney frank from massachusetts. congressman, good to see you. in an odd way today, your name is on dodd-frank, the big legislation passed after the meltdown a couple of years ago. in an odd way, some of the republicans in the hearing room today didn't seem to want to question jamie dimon as much as they want to question the

effectiveness of your bill. >> that's right. the bill hasn't got fully into force, and by the way, that's probably because of their obstruction. they have refused to provide the funds that we need to get some of these rules adopted. so the question was not whether the bill has taken effect, though some of it has, like hiring capital requirements that helped calm things down. the key point for me was the question of the bill. mr. dimon made a terrible mistake intellectually. wanted to talk only about his bank, his bank was well captain liezed, finally caught it after 3 billion, didn't threaten the system, that's true. the point was first of all, there are other banks not as well capitalized, might have gotten worse. the issue to me was should we continue with a republican effort to repeal in effect or render ineffective the derivative regulation of the financial reform bill.

derivatives are a serious problem, unregulated for years. we put in legislation to regulate them, and the republicans have begun a campaign to undermine that, by not funding it, trying to have an exemption here and there, and the argument is a well run bank like jp morgan, runs into funds and directive tiffs, i know this is not the time to repeal the regulations but rather one to make sure they go into effect. >> you heard the question at the top, too big to fail. jamie dimon said no. he was then asked might you fail at all. listen to his answer. >> i don't think there's any chance we're going to fail, but if we did, any losses the government would bear should go back, be charged to the banks. >> fair to say jp morgan could have losses of a half trillion or a trillion dollars? >> not unless earth is hit by a moon. >> glib answer or smart answer? >> half smart. i'm not the astronomy expert or horror movie expert, i won't

talk about the earth moon. first part is true. in the bill which is now law, it says if a large institution is too indebted, unlike 2008 when aig got money from the federal government, in this case, in the first place, the institution will be dissolved. the officers will be fired, board of directors will be dissolved, shareholders lose everything. at that point, the federal government has to spend some money getting this thing wound down. that money comes back in an assessment that's already in the law that secretary of the treasury applies to large financial institutions. in that sense, there's no more too big to fail, if in fact, you can't pay your debts, secretary of treasury would be violating federal law to help you. we repealed the part of the law that federal reserve used in 2008 to give money to aig. in that part, he was accurate. nobody left is too big to fail. they may be a large institution that would cause disruption as it failed. in that case, we allow there to

be some spending to try to buffer that, but every penny spent will be automatically recouped from large financial institutions and the taxpayers will pay nothing. >> you wanted to see whether his pay would be used to recoup some of the losses? >> i was disappointed by his answer. he made a point of saying there would be call backs. you can't promise people a bonus if they go well, nothing if they do badly. they have to be responsible, lose compensation. i asked if that would include his compensation. i would hope he would say that should be considered by everybody else. instead, he said that's up to the board, i can't tell the board what to do. which is nonsense. he and the board are interactive, makes recommendations all the time. failure to include himself in the list of people whose compensation might be reduced as a result of this. i think it is poor leadership, leaving everything else aside, and poor public relations. >> passing the buck is what we

call that in washington. >> or keeping the buck. >> not passing the buck. better way to put it, congressman. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. attorney general eric holder could be slapped with a citation. he had a closed door meeting with both parties discussing a program that went awry, fast and furious. it ended up helping mexican drug cartels acquire guns from the united states. one of those was found at the scene of a murdered border patrol agent. some say holder isn't just not cooperating, he stone walled the investigation. kate, he came for a meeting to reach resolution to keep contempt citation. what happened? >> reporter: that resolution was definitely not reached. this is a ratcheting up of tension. this battle has been going on for months, between the republican chairman of the house oversite committee and attorney general, the president's top law

enforcement official. this meeting was billed as a way to try, a last ditch effort to avoid moving forward with contempt of congress vote that chairman issa threatened. they came out of this really showing that there is no progress made. chairman issa spoke with reporters, said they met for 20 minutes, it was more of a restating of positions. afterwards, the attorney general came to the microphone, he spoke and said the ball was in chairman issa's court. both sides pointing the finger at the other, saying it is up to the other side to break the impasse, to move forward to reach resolution over this long fought battle over the house oversite committee investigation into the botched fast and furious operation. i'll tell you, elijah cummings spoke with reporters as well, he said he believed the chairman, chairman issa, made up his mind

before he went into the meet to go move forward with the vote. i asked the attorney general about that. listen to what he had to say. >> given the extraordinary nature of the offer we made, given the extraordinary way in which we shared materials to date that i think we are actually we are involved more in political games man ship. >> reporter: bottom line, it comes down to an on-going investigation from the house oversite committee. the attorney general says they provided more than 7,000 documents of pages relating to the investigation and operation, they have done more than enough to move forward with this. he is offering additional documentation, but it is coming down to a faceoff if you will. they are at an impasse. chairman issa says he believes there's time to avoid the contempt vote scheduled for 10:00 a.m. tomorrow, if the attorney general and department of justice provides more documentation, we will see if that happens before tomorrow's

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first a question. if mitt romney changed his position on same sex marriage and immigration in the span of a month, do you think the conversation would be about how brilliant it was? i think not. tonight's truth is more about the politics of the moment than a double standard. there are two campaigns under way. governor romney hopes to tap into economic anxiety you can find from coast to coast. his more or less a single issue campaign. >> people of michigan want someone who would get the job done, not just talk politics, but talk jobs and make america the right place for jobs to come back, and make our future brighter and strong, and i'll do it. >> the president's challenge is very different. yes, the economy is by far the number one issue for him, too. he knows the history. any incumbent in tough times takes a hit. he needs to work the base piece by piece. endorsing same sex marriages, energizes the left. latino votes he is after with

the new immigration policy about face. >> this is not amnesty. this is not immunity. this is not a path to citizenship. it's not a permanent fix. >> now the shift has some republicans hopping mutter you breath, it's a clever political move. >> the president himself who said the last couple years he couldn't do this. and so the question remains whether he's violating the constitution. >> mitt romney had hoped a new republican plan to help younger illegal immigrants get legal status would help him begin to fix what you would have to call a crisis. long latino voters. but president obama beat romney and the gop to the punch and is already bending. 64% of likely voters in a bloomberg news poll support the president's policy shift. and all governor romney can do is paint it as a diversion. >> you will see throughout the next four months, the president

continually trying to change the subject from the economy. and, of course, to a certain degree, it works. >> let's talk truth tonight with yah yahoo! news and cnn political contribut contributor, and republican strategist anna navarro. your guy is boxed in. what does he say now when he goes to a latino event next week where he hoped to say here's what i'm going to do. >> we'll see. he hasn't spoken about immigration since the primary. thing is a big day. >> does it disappoint you he won't even say what he would do on day one if he wins? he says i want to deal with this long-term with legislation. but he won't say what happens on day one, two, three, month four, five. >> he doesn't need to. four years ago at this same conference both obama and romney are going to be at this week, barack obama said -- gave a deadli deadline. said in one year i'm going to do immigration reform. and he didn't. and yes, john, this is going to

give barack obama a bump with latino voters, no ifs, ands or buts. the question is how big will it be. he hasn't delivered on his immigration pro immigration promise. he promised a diamond ring to the latino community and when we were falling out of love he showed up with a cubic zirconia. >> that's good. but for mitt romney, it's a fair policy question. if if you take office and this policy is in place, you're not going to be able to change the policy if he can get it done in quick months, god bless him. it's a fair policy question. why won't he answer? if he says i will leave the president's order in place, the right gets mad? >> exactly. see, part of this boxing in is mitt romney's own doing. he boxed himself in during the nomination season and right after he became the nominee, he was in pennsylvania with mark o-rubio standing next to him. he was asked about the rubio plan coming up. and he said he'll take a look. he wasn't ready to embrace it then. he has created this place where he still feels the need to not

offend the right, so he can't answer the question. >> base, base, base election. everybody is afraid. our friend here mentioned marco rubio. this morning, abc news, john call, a fascinating reporter, good guy, used to work here, has good sources says marco rubio not being vetted. governor romney had to publicly disagree. >> there are only two people in this country who know who are being vetted and who are not. and that's beth myers and myself. and i know beth well. she doesn't talk to anybody. the story was entirely false. marco rubio is being thoroughly vetted as part of our process. >> not to disagree with the governor, but there are never just two people. inside his campaign there might be just two people. but marco rubio has a chief of staff, a counsel. everybody who is vetted, somebody finds out. the candidate finds out, then their lawyer finds out, then their spouse finds out and sometimes their friends and family find out because of the questions. do you think marco rubio is

really being vetted? >> i think that he said that because he was forced to say it because of whatever was leaked. whether it was from the romney campaign or rubio campaign, it was a mistake. because now mitt romney is yet again in another box trying to say, oh, yes, by the way, marco rubio is being vetted. and now it doesn't look like it's actually true. and i think that that's going to hurt him yet again with latino voters, if it's possible to hurt him even more with latino voters, because they're going to see it as a snub. as a democrat and as a latina, i actually took offense to it too. because he's been letting marco rubio hang out as a possibility for a vp candidate. >> but romney did go through this process last time with the mccain people. and he didn't like it. number one, he didn't like it because of how cumbersome the vetting was, and number two, they picked sarah palin. and forgive me, governor romney, wouldn't say this publicly, didn't think that was the best choice. you here senator portman, governor paw lengthy, thune, mitch daniels, chris christie,

bobby engine dell, your second tier list. why does he have to say publicly he's vetting marco rubio if he's not? >> first of all, i think marco rubio is being vetted now. we don't know when that vetting began. but i think that right now marco rubio is being vetted. and i'm glad for that, because he deserves the consideration. >> so does his accountant. >> i'm beginning to think mitt romney did this so that latino democrats would actually come in defense of marco rubio. this is a first in this campaign. and i think it's a brilliant move. i congratulate mitt romney. >> triangulate it. >> but here -- here is where actually at the end of the day i don't think it matters. because obviously, at the end of the day, it's going to be the candidate that latino voters and everybody else are going to vote for. and the box that mitt romney has painted himself into, whether -- and it doesn't matter whether -- with the democrats if it's a cubic zirconium or a diamond, it's a real relationship.

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