this image is startling and sobering. they tell the number of job losses. states like california, ohio, indiana and pennsylvania are the hardest hit. the imaging, this is america's power grid. visualized as never before. it's impressive and electrifying and very american. that's all for us tonight. >> i'm don lemon. the stories you are talking about in a moment. first, let's get you up to speed on the day's headlines. tropical storm debby kicking up the surf on the west coast of florida. debby is churning, generating wins and centered across parts of louisiana coast as debbie slowly moves west and expected to intensify. we will keep watch on that. former penn state coach jerry sandusky could be sentenced in 90 days. he is under suicide watch after

being convicted on 45 counts of child sex abuse. his wife dotty was spotted delivering a package to her husband. >> forcing colorado residents from their homes, fire crews are warning of the extreme fire conditions and for the potential for the hyde park fire to rapidly grow. the number of acres burned jumped to 75,000. mitt romney is fund-raising in park city, utah. running mates are attending for republican donors, including paul ryan and senator john thun and bobby jindal. here's what else we are working on for you on saturday night. >> it's 10:00 p.m. do you know where your children are? >> she was a good girl. >> an old drug back with a new and deadly vengeance. hooking and killing young, smart, and mostly white suburban kids.

>> you will be behind bars or you will be dead. >> parents who lost their children and a young recovering addict speak directly to you about the new phase of heroin. parental justice. >> stanley is authorize and justified. >> a father kills his 4-year-old daughter's molester. >> i would do worse. >> they are accused by playing why, jury, and the executioners. >> how far should you go if someone is molesting your child or selling them for sex. that and george zimmerman. >> he said you are going to die. alec baldwin. they want you to pick your nose. >> and america's newest anchorman. so listen. i really want you to sit down, take a seat, and listen to this. it could save someone's life that you know or love. it is no longer hiding in the

shadows of seedy downtown alleyways. heroin has a new home. bringing highly addictive often times deadly power to the white picket tree-lined streets of suburbia. the average age that kids start using heroin is just before their 15th birthday. most are white and more prefer to shoot it up than take it any other way. why the increase? it's cheaper than pills. drug agents say the crack down made pills way more expensive for users. 20 to $80 a pill. heroin way cheaper and more plentiful and now way more popular. two people who know that painfully well, john roberts and pam anderson. both parents who separately lost their sons to overdoses of heroin. mr. roberts, thank you for joining us and ms. anderson, thank you for joining us.

we will start with you. you moved to the suburbs for a better life for and you your family and your son, billy, fell into drugs. tell us what happened. >> shortly after we moved, billy just graduated from grade school and started in high school. like a lot of kids in america, that's where they will be introduced to drugs and be tempted to maybe experiment. unfortunately billy making new friends in a new community seemed like he got in with the wrong crowd. by and large, the drugs are out there. it's in a lot of communities. i moved to a beautiful suburb. i can see it from my back deck. this is a nice area. after 33 years on the streets of chicago after a police officer, i never expected to find heroin. why do i do what i do now? it's all over the counties. the counties of chicago and many major cities. >> the reason i say that is most people think about drugs and

heroin, you either think about rock stars or inner city urban areas. that's not the case anymore. your son matthew started taking pills as a student at uga and it went to heroin. >> yeah, he started in his sophomore and junior years with some orally taking pills and moved to snorting and then because it doesn't give you the same high, you have to keep jacking it up and jacking it up and then he moved into the intervenous and that's when we found out about it and pulled him out of school. >> did you hear when i say most kids start to take it before they are 15. it's so easily accessible. they can get that faster than a pack of cigarettes. >> yes, they can. it's everywhere. in the college campuses, they are just passing bowls of pills and the pushers if i can use that word.

>> of course. >> they give it for free to get somebody hook and start with a lower price and jack it up and jack it up as they are more addicted. >> many people start, mr. roberts, starting to take oxycodone and pills and goes from prescription pills because they become too expensive for them and they go to heroin. heroin is cheaper and they start shooting it. your body needs that high. they are hooked and they are going to have an issue for the rest of their lives. at the beginning of this show, you end up dead or in jail most times. >> that's true. the problem is that there is a lot of drugs out there. not all are gateway. i don't believe in the gateway theory, but is the pain killer, prescription pain killers. they are opiate-based. kids can get those in most

medicine cabinets. mom and dad. you get a prescription and you don't use them all. our kids are getting them and you are correct. they go out and they want more. they try it again. they are building a dependencey and a tolerance for the opiate-based drug. when they find they can use heroin and it's cheaper. $10 a bag. here in chicago, a kid can drive into the city of chicago and buy a bag of heroin for $10 and when they see them coming, they will offer them a jab. ten bags for 100 and give them a baker's dozen. they will give them 12 to 15 bags for $100. that's why this epidemic is spreading. >> it's even cheaper here in atlanta. as low as $7 a bag. >> called the bluffs, there is even a documentary and a number of documentaries that have been

written about the bluffs where the kids from the suburbs go in and buy the bags. when they see the young affluent white kids, they know. >> they're drive in in their cars. >> tell tale signs? >> they start missing their appointments. they cancel things. they are sleeping a lot. they are beginning to come down from the high, they seem like they have a cold. they get the feverish, lots of sweating. very cranky. raspy. they get raspy because the heroin affects the respiratory system. >> i was talking to a friend last night and asking him about it. a friend who is another producer here. he said i thought maybe one of my friends might be addicted. they do a clicking thing with their jaw. >> mire son didn't, but they do

this thing with their head. >> i want to talk about how to help. of course, officer roberts, having the talk with your kids, that's important. you have to be practical about it. i want to you tell me about your organization called hero. you dateicated your now that you are retired to helping kids fight the demons and fight drugs. >> parents have to talk to their children and we do, but we have to know how. it's like the sex education talk. we know we have to. and parents can learn how to do that and here in chicago, i work with an organization called the center for health education and they are famous for over 50 years. they have been teaching kids sex education. i am working with them now and this battle. one of the things we are trying to do is develop a cluck limit for the kids and the faculty and

administrators for the schools. we will be testing it and most importantly or as importantly, we will be teaching the parents how to talk to their kids about the dangers of the drugs out there in our society. >> if you can do me a favor, i know you have a hat and me how the organization if there is a website that we like our viewers to see. >> i appreciate this. i will devote the rest of my days until i'm with billy to fight for hero. heroin epidemic relief organization. the cry sub a hero. the only way we will win this battle is for people -- i'm just a grieving dad, but i find ways to get out there and fight. fight back and do something about it. i am fitting for drug education and prevention. hero does that and for everybody. don, like you and the woman who is sitting there with you who is not afraid to talk about this, that's what this means.

you are a hero. you are helping us fight back and until and unless we start pushing back, we will never win this war on drugs. >> we want to tell you that matthew was 22 and billy just 19 years when he died. thank you very much, john and thank you, pam. you are very brave to come on. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> god bless. >> you too as well. he could be your son or the boy next door, hooked on heroin and you would never suspect it. you will meet him next. plus this. >> parental justice. moms and dads accused of killing their children's molesters. >> i think he deserved everything he got. >> what would you do? ere it is ! where ? where ? it's getting away ! where is it ? it's gone. we'll find it. any day can be an adventure. that's why we got a subaru.

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way cheaper than pills to use at a fraction of the cost. who would know that better? no one would. he started on pills and got so expensive that he moved on. he is sober. we hope you stay clean and sober. what caused you to pull away? >> to pull away? no addict really wants to stay on, but at a certain point your life gets to the point where it's so unmanageable and so terrible, you have to do something. lie lifelike all addicts got to that point. >> tell us about that and as you talk about your story, send us tickets of you sober and your parents knew you were using drugs, but that didn't stop you.

you started with a pain killer and doing drugs and you moved into that because it's cheaper. >> absolutely. >> it started with marijuana and seemed harmless and moved on to pills. the addiction set in and i was not aware of it. there was a lot of denial and it took a long time to admit they had a problem. i was asking for help. how did you get it the first time. >> i had a friend of mine and we were on the normal nightly smoking runs and a little marijuana. this one particular night, he

had a little treat for me and it was a pill of oxy contin and i tried it. i loved it. i didn't just like it, i loved it. from that point on, i was asking for more and more until i was not only physically and mentally dependent on it. >> dependent on oxycontin. >> it came too expensive for you? >> yes. at that point i started to -- i was pawning things and stealing from my parents and sister. everyone who cared about me. i could have turned them into enemies. i was doing what i could to get money to pay for it. that wasn't enough i decided to move on to heroin because it was cheaper. >> absolutely at a lower cost. >> how long did you use it?

>> about half the time that i did opiate was heroin. started out with snorting and to conserve i moved on to shooting it. >> what do you say to kid who is were watching because heroin has been around for a long time. mostly white kids. so many people are dying now in the and the use of it increased over the last couple of years. anything you want to say about heroin or using heroin? >> well, to parents, i would say, you know, know your child and talk to your child. don't rely on schools to do it. lots of them think they will be taught in health class about drugs. the kids know better. look for the signs.

if you think something is off, you know your child best and you should confront them about it. students and teens, i would tell them, you are the rule, not the exception. before people start, they believe they are the exception. they are going to be the ones that are too smart to be addicted. they know about addiction and that insulates them. no. if you start this, you will end up in a bad place. >> hear that, kids? every day it's a struggle. >> at first it's a struggle. at this point i put it behind me and i am doing very well. it was a struggle. you don't get clean overnight. >> thank you very much, bill. and good luck to you. what's the name of your organization? >> matthew's fund.

beating the demons of drugs.com. >> appreciate you. thanks to all my guests. parents are risking prison to avenge crimes against their children. the newest form of vigilante justice. >> from vigilante justice to citizen justice. george zimmerman on killing trayvon martin in his own words. >> i grabbed his arm and i grabbed my firearms and i shot him. one time. one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future

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>> imagine losing your daughter to a life of prostitution. you reach out to police and do everything you can, but when that doesn't work, what would you do? according to prosecutors, it meant killing the girl's pimp. >> she was a 15-year-old run away, leaving the bay area behind for los angeles and lured into a life of prostitution. her parents tried to rescue her,

but according to prosecutors, when the efforts failed, they devised another plan. to kill her alleged pimp. a 22-year-old from the tough streets of compton. they are in jail under $2 million bond charged with his murder. >> how far should parent guess to protect their child and is what these california parents did really a surprise? he discovered the man was molesting his own daughter. they chose not to indict him. holly hughes is here with alex manning. what do you make of these parents taking the law into their own hands? would a jury convict them? >> these two situations are different. the girl was currently being molested when here father walked

into the barn. he pulls that man off and reacts in a way to get them to stop. he beats them. that's not vigilante justice, but interrupting a crime and saving your child's life. big difference when you go out hunting. >> the couple spoke out. listen to this. >> they were faced with every parent's nightmare and they end up getting arrested. >> they went to police and got no results. >> myself and my old partner ran into the same situation. we had something like this and we would look at our doorsteps waiting on us. why did you sleep? you just have to keep going at these people. go up the chain of command. get somebody to listen to you. don't take the law into your own hands. there laws in place to

protect parents and these types of scenarios? >> there not. they will be subject to the same laws. they went out and committed a crime. if they intended to do and it they did it, these are just charges. allegations. they have not been convict and while we all get that gut reaction, we all understand why they did it. why they wanted to do it. if in fact they are guilty of it. here's the thing. god forbid an innocent person be in the way when they are firing a gun and get the wrong guy. what if they are wrong? >> they end up going to jail. is a line between vigilante justice and citizen justice starring to blur? >> absolutely. i think it's the sign of the times. you just did your spot on heroin. it's the sign of the times. now this girl out in california could lose her parents to jail. the situation is better that she is off the street, but she is

going to lose her parents. >> thank you very much. we have been talking about this from vigilante justice and someone accused of taking the law into his own hands of never before seen audio and video where he describes moments before he shot and killed trayvon martin on february 26th. he reenactions the shooting for police. in his own words. >> he put his hand on my nose and his other hand on my mouth and it is shut the [ bleep ] up. i tried squirming down. when he was hitting my head, i felt like my head was going to explode. i felt like i was going to lose consciousness. i tried to squirm because he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete and i tried to squirm off the concrete and my jacket moved up and i had my firearm on the right side of my hip. my jacket moved up and he saw it and i feel like he saw it and

looked at it and he said you are going to die [ bleep ]. >> fast and furious. the parents of a border guard killed in the botched gun running operation with strong and emotional words for the president and the attorney general. ♪

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>> welcome back. anna navarro and maria cardona here to talk about fast and furious, the gun walking operation that led to the death of hundreds of mexicans and u.s. border agent broian terry in 2010. a house mittee voted along party lines. they said he is lying and withholding details of what and what allowed them to get the details illegally. republicans are on a political witch hunt. they invoked executive privilege on not turning over certain

documents. marie a this is the first time that president obama has ever vo evoked this executive privilege. he said we will be the most transparent ever. >> let's be clear on what the white house turned over thus far. they bent over backwards in the committee. almost 8,000 pages and documents and a lot of them were normally covered by executive privilege. any document that had anything to do with the botched in question have nothing to do with the operation. they are now in the surreal territory of investigating the investigation. that's not going to lead to the truth. we need the truth. you are saying this is a witch hundred dollar. do buy that? all the documents have been turned over and this is a

political witch hunt? >> god forbid we investigate the investigators. we all know when they investigate themselves can be terribly effective. i think we are a government of checks and balances. congress checks the executive branch and the executive branch checks congress and the judicial branch checks them both. this is what the process is. this is not the first time this happens. it is disappointing that our congress and our executive branch can't get together in a way that can clarify this once and for all. the timing is bad for obama because it comes on the heels of the white house leaks. it builds on this narrative that they have something to hide. it's very, very powerful. we are talking about a murdered -- >> not to cut you off, but i am

stopping you because i want to hear from them. here's what the agents of brian terry said about the answers they said they are not getting from the administration. listen. >> they search their soles and they ask the people who killed my son. >> i think they want to put the fast and furious on the back burner until it's over. >> two parents lost their son. that's the emotional part of this. i will talk to you in a second, but i want anna to finish her thoughts. if i lost my child, they would want and demand answers. >> they are compelling and it's heart brerching to hear about the side son who died in this

service. we oh, it to his memory to come to an agreement where congress can take a look at the documents. there has to be an agreement where a few people are allowed to look at the documents and maybe not the full committee. for the sake of transparency and died, we can come to an agreement and not be in this stalemate where each side is in their own trench and scoring political points. >> i want you to listen to another comment describing her reaction to attorney general holder's testimony. listen. >> after a while and you feel like throwing the through the front window because you get tired of hearing the constant lies that you know they are doing. >> okay, so again, you have two parents who are watching all of

this going on. i get the legal arguments here, but marie a why not give this family peace of mind? can that even come from even if this process played out and they turned over the documents? what is that going to lead to? >> that is the question, don. my heart goes out to these parents. i'm sure all americans do. i used to work for the former i.n.s. with the border patrol. i know what dedicated public servants they are. my heart goes out to them. here is where i think is the reason why democrats believe this is a political witch hunt. if the republicans wanted to get to the bottom of this, what has struck me is why don't they bring in the atf agents and under the bush administration and they ended it when they

realized how botched and backwards it was. let's get to the bottom of this and we oh, them the truth. >> fast and furious was started under the obama administration. >> the tactic was, yes. that's why i said tactics. >> anyway, none of them had been successful starting with the bush administration to the obama administration. >> that's why they ended it. president obama and george w. bush did it six times in eight years and his father only once. there have been other presidents like clinton and reagan who have invoked the privilege. thank you. we are not done with you. you are both in orlando. both the president and governor romney were at the big latino elected. they took your knifes and forks away. you have to explain that, next.

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>> anna navarro is back and talking immigration. you guys can get fired if you want, but they said we are both latina. you are with the national soerksz withula tona elected officials and so were the president and mitt romney. here's mitt romney dressing the president's recent shift. >> some people asked if i will with stand the president's executive order. i will put in my place own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president's temporary measure. as president i won't settle for those measures. i will work with republicans and democrats to build a long-term solution. >> you were there and how was he received answering his stance on

immigration and also what it's been on the dream act? >> he was received politely and civilly. courteously. they paid attention to him and listen to his over word. he was not in a friendly crowd and he was not in his element. i give him a lot of credit for showing up and i think the audience for showing up. they sure didn't give him love. >> do you think it's a done deal when it comes to -- i don't thinkula 10o voters are monolithic, but do you think that he can win over more do you think he can win them over? >> i know he will die trying and he can give up on this. i think it's in the best interest of latinos.

>> will rubio help? >> he was at the conference as well. >> it was not friendly for him and both were at the conference. >> it wasn't a friendly conference. >> the break down of democrats and republicans and probably there were more republicans in this audience was in orlando or florida. >> i have to move on. >> rubio changed minds and perceptions. even maria would agree. >> president obama defended immigration. listen. >> in their hearts and minds, this is americans through and through. all they want is to go to college and give back to the

country they love. so lifting the shadow of deportation and giving them a reason to hope, that was the right thing to do. it was the right thing to do. >> maria, i am listening to the crowd, he was received very well, wasn't he? >> very, very well, don. it was a very friendly crowd. let's speak truth here. there were challenges for the president up until now in terms of really proving to the latino community that he was trying to work on changes to the immigration system. i give him a lot of credit for putting together this policy. whether you think it was political purposes or not, he has been trying to do the right thing for a long time. that's why it rings so shallow when romney blames him when he knows his party has stopped the president from gains the permanent solution which is immigration reform or the dream act.

he pushed the dream act and republicans blocked it. >> i know you didn't get equal time, but i wanted to get the questions in to anna. very quickly because we showed the picture, why did they take the knifes and forks away? >> i don't know. this was a mostly democratic crowd. the sharp knives were out for mitt romney and not barack obama. i never had that happen to me. latinos are not going to give up their food. we will not use our forks and knives to go against anybody. nothing gets between us and our food. at least give us a tortilla. >> i don't think they had knives for romney either. >> thank you, guys. that was very good. we appreciate your passion. >> thank you. >> alex baldwin said he is tired of the paparazzi. >> most have their foot out. they want to you fall on the ground. >> he wants privacy laws changed and suggests a type of buffer

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>> alec baldwin wants everybody to kick back. the photographer said baldwin attacked him. the pop culture commentator is back with us and connor wants the law changed. take a listen. >> most have their foot out and want to you fall on the ground and get that shot. they want you to pick your nose and get that shot. it's a mess. >> what's the answer? tougher privacy laws? >> i think so. i think people have to stay 1 hundred helped feet away. >> alec build win doesn't want you or me within 100 feet of him. >> he terrifies me. in this situation, he's a great thing. in terms of a law, legally that's a difficult thing to

enact. especially le in new york city. i don't think they would have much luck. >> you should be worried when they stop talking. why do you think it's hard for many people to feel bad for the star when is they complain about these things? >> for every alec baldwin who i believe wants his privacy, you have a star who goes to the beach in a tiny bikini and calls the paparazzi or release their own sex tape. it's this game that celebrities play. for him to say you need to make appointments with the press, it saints like a quaint idea. >> let's move on and take a look at this. network newsroom gets a tv drama treatment. the series called newsroom debuts. they want to watch a tv show. can they watch news? >> as you and i both know, you

get people to watch the normal tv much less the fictional news. it's the show about characters and relationships. no one watches the office because they like paper companies and mad men because they like advertising. if erin sorkin can make an interesting dynamic, that's all that matters. >> he identifies the real antagonist. take a listen. >> for doesn't come so much in the form of a person, that's the real jane fonda plays in this role. it's ratings that if we have a problem in this country with the news, it's at least as much the consumer's fault as the provider. >> if you don't like the news, the problem is you. do you think he is right? >> me specifically. the problem is me. there is something to that. that's it with all entertainment. people say they hate the

kardashians and five million people watch the show. everyone might want a very smart, intelligent news and often times the show is to get the best ratings aren't that. it's part of the consumer's fault and takes bravery on the producer's part to say let's give the people something they may not have said they want. >> especially lately if the news doesn't identify your feelings or beliefs, then people don't watch it. most people don't want objective news. that's what the ratings are showing. it's sad. >> it feels successful and this show, he's a fiction writer, it's idealized. >> thank you, connor. ark appreciate it. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen.pprec, ask for transitions adaptive lenses.

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