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his wife was found delivering a package to her husband. fire crews are warning in colorado of the extreme fire conditions and for the potential for the hyde park fire to rapidly grow. a number of acres burned jump to 75,000. tt romney fund-raising in park city, utah, this weekend. several potential romney running mates are attending romn runng mates are attending. here is what else we are working on for you. >> it's 10:00 p.m. do you know where your children are? >> she was a good girl an old drug back with a new and deadly vengeance. hooking and killing young, smart, and mostly white suburban kids. >> you're either going to be behind bars or you're going to be dead. >> tonight, parents who lost

their children and a young recovering addict speak directly to you about the new face of heroin. parental justice. >> deadly force is authorized and justified. >> a father kills his 4-year-old daughter's molester. a couple accused of killing their daughter's pimp by playing judge and jury and how far should you do if someone is molesting your child and selling them for sex? that and george zimmerman. alec baldwin and america's newest anchorman. >> listen. i want you to sit down, take a seat, and listen to this. it could save someone's life that you know or love. it is no longer hiding in the shadows of seedy downtown alleyways. heroin has a new home, bringing

it's highly addictive and often deadly power to the trees in suburb i can't. the average age that kids start using heroin before their 15th birthday! most of them are white. and more of them prefer to shoot it up than taking it any other way. why the increase here? it's cheaper than pills. the crack down on oxycodone has made pills expensive to users. 20 bucks a pill. heroin way cheaper and more plentiful and more popular. two people who know that painfully well is john roberts and pam anderson. both parents who separately lost their sons to overdoses of heroin. mr. roberts, thank you for joining us. miss anderson, tnk you so much for joining us. we start with you, mr. rober you're a retired chicago police captain. you move to the suburbs for a better life for you and your

family and your son billy fell into drugs. tell us what happened. >> shortly after we moved, billy had just graduated from grade school and started into high school and like a lot of kids in america, that's where they are going to be introduced to drugs and be tempted and to maybe drug experimentation and, unfortunately, billy making new friends in a new community it seemed like he got in with the wrong crowd. by and large, don, the drugs are out there and in a a lot of communs. i moved out to a beautiful burb. i can see a farm from my back deck. a nice area. after 33 years ithe streets of chicago as a police officer, i never expected to find heroin but why do i do what i do now?

it's all over the counties, the counties of chicago and many of our major cities. >> the reason i say that is because most people when they say you think about drugs and you think about heroin. you think about rock stars or inner city urban areas and not the case any more. pam, tell me about your son matthew. he started taking pills as a student at uga and went to heroin. >> between his sophomore and junior year he started with some orally taking pills and moved to snorting because it doesn't give you the same high. you have to keep jacking it up and jacking it up. then he moved into the intravenous and when we found out about it and pulled him out of school. >> did you hear when i said most kids start to take -- the kids who do start to take heroin before their 15th birthday because it's so easily accessible? they can get that faster than a pack of cigarettes? >> yes, they can. it's everywhere. in the college campuses what they are doing with it is like they are just passing bowls of pills and the pushers, if i can use that word. >> of course. >> they give it out for free to get somebody hooked and then

they start with a lower price on the pills and jack it up, jack it up as they are more addicted. >> yeah. and many people will start, mr. roberts, with starting to take oxycodone or take pills. it goes from prescription pills because they are too expensive for them and go to heroin because heroin is cheaper and start shooting it. once you start to shoot heroin your body needs that. they are hooked and they are going to have an issue the rest of their lives. at the beginning of this show we said either you're going to end up dead or in jail most times. >> that's true. the problem is that there's a lot of drugs out there. not all them -- in fact, i don't bee so min the gateway theoryut i do believe one gateway drug is the painkiller, prescription painkillers. they are oate bad drugs. you don't use a prescription and use them there in case you need them.

our kids are getting them and you're corct. they want more and try it again. her building a dependency and a tolerance for the opiate based drug but when they find they can i don't heroin and it's much cheaper. 10 dollars a bag. here in chicago a kid can drive into the west side of chicago and buy a bag of heroin for $10 and they are preferred customers. when they see them coming they offer them called a jab. a jab is ten bags for a hundred and they give them a baker's dozen to bring them back and give them 12 to 13 bags for a hundred dollars and then that goes back out to the suburbs. that's one of the reasons why this epidemic is spreading through all of our collar counties. is it -- >> it's even cheaper here in atlanta. i've heard as low as $7 a bag. >> a place here i've been reading called the bluffs. there is even a documentary and then many -- a number of documentaries have been written about the bluffs where the kids from the suburbs go into the

bluffs and they buy these bags and they know when they see these young affluent looking kids, white kids coming in, they know what they are there for. >> they drive in in their cars. >> telltale signs? >> they start missing their appointments, th cancel things. they are sleeping a lot. when they are beginning to come down from the high, they seem like they have a cold. they get the feverish, lots of sweating. very cranky. and raspy because of the heroin affects the respiratory system. >> little s. i was talking to a friend last night and asking him about it who -- a friend another producer here. he said i never -- i thought maybe one of my friends might be addicted because they do heroin addicts do a clicking thing with their jaw. have you ever had that? >> my son didn't do that but i've heard people talk about they do this thing with their head. >> i want to talk about how to help.

of course, officer roberts, having the talk with your kids, that's important. and you have to be practical about it. tell me about that and also about your organization called hero. >> parents have to talk to their children. we do. i was a very good parent. but you know what? we have to know how to do that. it's like having a sex education talk. we have to do it but at the same time we know we have to. parents can learn how to do that. here in chicago, i work with an organization called the robert crown center for health education and they are famous. over 50 years teaching kids sex education. i'm working with them now. this battle also. one of the things we are trying

to do, we are going to develop a curriculum for the kids but also for the faculty and administrators of the schools and pilot testing it this fall. but, most importantly, as importantly, we are going to be teaching the parents how to talk to their kids about the dangers of the drugs that are out there in our society today. >> mr. roberts, if you can do me a favor. i know have you a hat for your show. show your hat and tell us if there is a website we would like our viewers to know that. >> don, i really appreciate this. i will devote the rest of my days until i'm with billy to fighting with hero. her owen epidemic relief organization. our rally cry as the name implies, be a hero. the only way to win this battle. i'm just a grieving dad but i'm finding ways to get out there and fight back and do something about it and i'm fighting for drug education and fighting for prevention. hero does that and for everybody, and, don, le you, with you who is not afraid to e come out and talk about this, that's what this means. you're a hero.

you're helping us fight back and until and unless we start pushing back, we're never going to win this war on drugs. >> we want to tell you that matthew is 22 years old, pam's son, billy, just 19 years old when he died. thank you very much, john and thank you, pam. you're very brave to come on. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> thank you, don. god bless. >> you too as well. he could be your son or the boy next door hooked on heroin and you would never suspect it. you're going to meet him next. plus this. parental justice. >> i think he deserved everything he got. >> what would you do? a small high school. the teacher that comes to mind for me is my high school math teacher, dr. gilmore. i mean he could teach. he was there for us, even if we needed him in college. you could call him, you had his phone number. he was just focused on making sure we were gonna be successful.

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♪ never mentions the word addiction in certain company ♪ >> that was black crowes. a song with drug addiction. you see the have increase in heroin between 1999 and 2009. th week, houston police made their largest heroin bust ever. 17 kilos stashed inside a car and unheard of in their parts. part of the reason it's becoming so popular, it is way cheaper than pills and offering much of the same high to users at a fraction of the cost. who would know that better?

no one would than bill patriot who started on pills and got so expensive he moved on. he switched to heroin. bill says he is clean now. he is sober and has been for four years. congratulations on that. we hope you stay clean and sober! what caused you to pull yourself away from heroin? >> to pull away from it? >> yeah. >> no addict wants to stay on but your life gets to a point it becomes so unmanageable and so terrible you have to do something. my life, like all addicts, got that point. >> tell us about that. is awe talk to us about your story. we have pictures of you sober and while you were using heroin. your parents knew that you were using drugs but that didn't stop you. again, you started like most peop s you started with a painkiller and doing recreational drugs and moved into this because it's cheaper. >> right.

absolutely. it started innocentlenough with a littlt of marijuana. it seemed harmless at the time. moved on to pills. then the addiction set in and i wasn't even aware of it. and everyone else around me knew it was going on but before i even did it. there was a lot of denial. there was a lot of delusion and it took a very long time before i could finally admit that i had a problem and that was when i could finally start asking for some help. my parents knew and did their best to try to stop me but nothing was going to. >> how did you get it your first time? >> i had a friend of mine and we were -- one of our, you know, normal nightly smoking runs. a little marijuana. this one particular night, he had a little treat for me and it

was a pill of oxycontin. i was mentally and physically dependent on it. >> dependent on oxycontin. when it became too expensive for you? >> yes. yeah. at that point, i was pawning things and stealing from my parents, my sister. you know, everyone who cared about me, you know, i could have turned them into enemies. i was doing whatever i could to get money to pay for it but even that wasn't enough and so i decided to move on to heroin because i heard it was cheaper. >> and it gave you the same high? >> absolutely at a lower cost. >> how long did you use it? >> about half the time that i did opiates was heroin. started out with snorting and, of course, to be -- to conserve

my money, i moved on to shooting it. >> what do you say to kids who are watching or parents who are watching because heroin it's been around for a long time and there -- it's been used among suburban teens, mostly white kids, since the '90s, but what they are seeing now, so many people dying now and the use of it has just increased over the last couple of years. what do you say to parents and what do you say to people out there, anything you want to say to them about using heroin or about heroin? >> well, to parents, i would say, you know, know your child, talk to your child, don't rely on schools to do it. lots of parents think they are just going to get caught in health class about drugs and theiki k. look for the signs. look for -- if you think something is off with your kid, you know your child best and you should confront them about it and to kids out there, students,

stens, whoever is in that range ting to use, i would tell them, you are the rule, not the exption. before people start, they believe that they are the exception. they are going the ones, they are o smt to become cted and they know about addiction so that insulation them from becoming addicted. no, if you start this, you will end up in a bad place. >> hear that, kids? you'll end up in a bad place. every day, it's a struggle, right? >> you know, at first, it's a struggle. at this point, i put it behind me and i'm doing very well but for a very long time, it was a struggle. you don't get clean overnight. >> thank you very much, bill. thank you. good luck to you. what is the name of your organization? >> matthew's fund. >> it's online? >> yes. beating the demons of drugs.com. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate you. thanks to bill and pam and all of my guests.

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imagine losingou to aivof proitution. you reach out to police and do everything you can to get your daughter back but when that doesn't work, what would you do? accordinto san francisco prosecutors for one mother and father, it meant killing the girl's pimp. here is cnn's dan simon. >> reporter: she was a 17-year-old runaway leaving the bay ea behind for los angeles and lured into a life of prostitution. her parents tried to rescue her, but according to prosecutors, when those efforts failed, did

he they devisehe, lvin snead. the two are in jail under $2 million bond charged with his murder. >> that was cnn's dan simon reporting. how far should paren gto protect their child and is what these california parents allegedly did a surprise? this comes days after a father rural texas beat a man to death after he discovered the man allegedly molesting his young daughter. a grand jury chose not to indict him. holly, to you first. what do you make of these parents taking the law into their own hands? i mean, would a jury convict any of these people for doing this? >> here is the thing. i get it. be clear. these two situations are very different. the little gill was currently being molested when the father walked into the barn. heard her screaming. a man in the middle of molesting her. he pulls that man off and reacts in a way to get him to stop, beats him. that is not vigilante justice

but interrupting a crime and saving your child's life. big difference when you go out hunting for somebody. >> here is the lawyer. >> they were faced with every parents' nightmare and tried their best to protect their daughter and here they are getting arrested. it's very overwhelming. >> alex, every case is different, but can you blame these parents? they say they went to police and got no results. >> don, i can tell i myself and my old partner investigator greg franklin ran into the same situation and we had something like this. the parents were at our doorsteps why did you go home and why did you sleep and why did you go to lunch? you have to keep going at these people. go up the chain of command and get somebody to listen to you. don't take the law into your own hands. >> holly, are there laws in place to protect parents in these type of scenarios? >> there really aren't. they are subject to the laws of everybody else. they went out there and

committed a crime if the prosecutor can prove they intended to do it and theory are charges and allegations. the parents haven't been convicted of anything. don, while we all get that gut reaction, we all understand why they did it, why they wanted to do it, if, in fact, they are guilty of it, but here's the thing. god forbid an innocent person be in the way when they are out there on the street firing a gun and god forbid they get the wrong guy. >> they end up going to jail for a long time. >> scary stuff. >> a line between vigilante and civil justice starting to blur? >> absolutely. i think it's a sign of the times. you just did your spot on heroin. it's the sign of the times. now, this girl out in california could lose her two parents to jail so the situation is better she is off the street, and now she will lose her two parents. >> thank you both very much. talk about this from vigilante justice. someone accused of taking law into his own hands and never

before seen video and audio released by george zimmean's legal team. in one tape, zimmerman reenactments a shooting for police. george zimmerman on his own words. >> he said shut the [ bleep ] up. then i tried squirming again. all i could think when he hit my head i felt it was going to explode and i would lose consciousness. i tried to squirm so that i could get. he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete so i tried to squirm off the concrete. that's when my jacket moved up and i had my firearm on my right side hip. my jacket moved up. he saw it. i feel like he saw it. looked at it. he said you're going to die tonight [ bleep ]. ♪ >> fast and furious. the parents of a border guard

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welcome back. cnn contributors are here to talk about fast and furious. that botched atf gun walking operation that led to the deaths of hundreds of mexican and u.s. border agent brian terry in 2010. a house committee voted along party lines to hold attorney general eric holder in contempt of congress. republicans say holder is lying and withholding details of who and what allowed criminals to get the weapons. so the president stepped in and invoked executive privilege on not turning over certain documents. maria, this is the first time that president obama has ever evoked this executivprivilege. why do it now when he says we're

going to be the most transparent administration ever? >> well, first of all, let's be clear as to what the justice department and the white house have turned over thus far. they have bent over backwards and accommodating the committee and what they were asking for. 8,000 pages of documents and a loof thewere en including deliberative documents which you know are normally covered executive privilege but in good faittuver those documents and every single documentt had thing to do with the botched opera on has been turned to coress. what they are asking for now all of the documents in question othing to do with the actual operaon and in the surreal territory of vestigating the investigation. that will not lead to the truth. we need the truth! they are on a political witchhunt here. >> you're saying this is a political witchhunt which many democrats have said. anna, do you buy that that all of the documents have been turned over and this is a >>od forbid we investigate the

investigators in government because all know that government veigations when they investigate themselves can be terribly effective. i think that, don, we are a government of checks and balances. congress checks the executive branch. the executive branch checks congress and the judicial branch checks them both. i think this is what this process is. this is not the first time this happens. it is disappointing that our congress and our executive branch can't get together in a way that can clarify this once and for all. i think the timing is very bad for obama because it comes right on the heels of the white house leaks d his refusal to allow a general counsel. so it kind of builds on this narrate that they have something to hide and the words of the murdered agent's parents is very powerful. we are talking about a murder of a u.s. agent. >> anna, stand by. not to cut you off but the reason i'm stopping you here, because i want to hear from them. here is what the parents of agent brian terry said on fox news about the answers they say they aren't getting from the administration. listen.

>> ask themselves to search their souls and i wanted to ask the people in mexico murdered with them same guns who killed my son. >> and i i think that they are bringing all. this unfortunate because they want to put fast and furious on the back burner until the election is. >> i do too. >> have you two parents there who lost their son. that is the emotional part of this. again, i'm going to -- i'll talk to you in a second, maria. but i want anna to finish her thought because she was talking about these parents. the parents are very emotional. if i lt my childmy parents lost me, they would demand some answers. >> theare very compelling. it's heart-wrenching to see those parents talking about their dead son. the dead son who died in the service of this nation. i think we owe it to them tois memory, to come to some sort of agreement where congress can take a look at these documents

where -- there's got to be some sort of agreement where maybe a few people are allowed to look at the documents, maybe not the full committee. i don't know. but i would like to think that for the sake of those parents, for the sake of transparency, for the sake of all the people that died as part of fast and furious, we could come to an agreement and not be in this stalemate where each side is in their own trench and scoring political points. >> mari'm going to lou get in here but i want you to listen to another comment from brian terry's mom. listen. >> after awhile, when you feel like throwing the tv through the front window because you get tired of hearing the constant lies that you know they are doing. >> so you have two parents who are sitting here watching all of this going on. i understand executive privilege. i get the legal arguments here. but, maria, why not give this family some peace of mind in some way or can that come from

even if this process played out and they turned over all of the documents? >> i think that is exactly the question. let me just say, my heart goes t to these parents and i'm sure all americans hearts go out to these parents. i used to work with the former ins with the border patrol so i understand the control they have. my heart goes out to them. here is where i think is the reason why democrats believe this is a political witch hunt. if the republicans really wanted to get to the bottom of this, don, what has really struck me is that why don't they bring in the actual atf agents who were involved in this gun-walking operation and let's remember, this was an operation and a tactic started under the bush administration and this administration ended it when they realized how botched and backwards it was. and so let's bring in the atf agents who were actually involved in this and let's get to the bottom of this. we owe brian terry's parents the truth.

>> let me just say this. that fast and furious was not started under the bush administration. it was started under the obama administration. now the gun walking program -- >> tactic was. that's why i said tactic. >> but anyway. none of them have been successful starting with the bush administration to the obama administration. >> and that is why they ended it. >> i want to say in full transparency george w. bush did it once in eight years and his father only once in eight years and clinton and reagan have invocketed executive privilege. you both are in ordinarily. both the president and governor romney at that big, very big latino elected officials conference. anna, you tweeted out this picture because they took your knives and forks away. you have to explain that next!

immigration. i said you can get fired if you want. they said, come on, don, we are latino, of course, we will do. you had the national association latino officials elected this week and so were the president and mitt romney. here is a portion of that. >> some people have asked if i will let stand the president's executive order. the answer is that i will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president's temporary measure. as president, i won't settle for stopgap measures. i'll work with republicans and democrats to build a long-term solution. >> just have to ask you, anna, you were there. you're a republican conservative. how was he received considering his stance, what his stance has been on immigration and also what it's been on the --? >> he was received politely,

civilly, courteously. they paid attention to him and listened to his every word, but certainly he was not in a friendly crowd and he wasn't in his element. i'd give him a lot of credit for showing up and i think the audience there gave him a lot of credit for showing up. they sure didn't give him love. fo do you think it's a done deal him when it comes to -- i don't think what latino voters with monolithic. do you think he can win over more latino voters in this contest before election day, anna? >> you know, i don't know if he can, but i know he is going to die trying and i know he can give up on this. i think it's in the best interests of latino -- >> will rubio help? >> i think rubio, everybody -- rubio was actually at the conference as well. it was not a friendly conference

for rubio or for jeb bush both who were also at the conference. >> it wasn't a friendly conference for rubio, you said? who is cuban? >> well, it was a predominantly democrat crowd. the breakdown of democrat to republican, latino elected officials is about 90 to 10. >> i got it. >> probably more republicans in this audience because it was in orlando and florida. >> i got to move on. i get what you're saying. for the sake of time. >> i would like to tell you, though, is rubio changed minds and changed perceptions there and i think even maria would agree th tha >> president obama defended his immigration shift again. listen. >> they are americans. in their hearts, in their minds, they are americans through and through. in every single way but on paper and all they want is to go to college and give back to the country ey love. so lifting the shadow of deportation and giving them a reason to hope, that was the right thing to do!

it was the right thing to do. >> maria, i'm listening to the crowd. i wasn't there. he was recvevery well, wasn't he? >> very, very well, don. and it was a very friendly crowd. but let's speak truth here. there were some challenges for the president up until now in terms of really provinto the latino community that he was trying to work on changes to the immigration system. so i give him a lot of credit for putting together this policy and whether you think that it was for political purposes or not, he was trying to do the right thing ans been trying for quite a long time which is why it rings so shallow when romney basically blames him for stopgap measure instead of a permanent solution when he knows it's his own party that has stopped this president from gaining the permanent solution which is either comprehensive immigration reform or the dream act. he pushed the dream act in 2010 and republicans blocked it. >> i know you didn't get equal time here. pardon me. i want to get the questions to anna.

anna, quickly! we showed that picture. why did they take the knives and forks away when the president showed up? >> i don't know. i think the sharp knives were out for mitt romney but not obama. as a security measure, i've never will that happen to me. they should know that latinos they not give their forks or knives to go against anybody. nothing gets in between us and our food. next time, folks, at least give us a tortilla! >> i don't think they had knives there for romney either. >> thank you, guys. very good. >> thanks, don. alec baldwin is tired of the paparazzi. >> most of the paparazzi have their foot out to trip you and want to shot. >> hwants privacy laws changed and suggests a type of buffer zone for actors. that's next.

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alec baldwin wants everyone to keep back. he says a photographer nearly hit hiwith hisa this past week and the cameraman says baldwin hit him. let's take a listen. >> most of the paparazzi have their foot out to trip you. they want you to fall on the ground and they wahat sh. theyanto picyour nose and get that shot. it really is something that s become a mene. >> what is the answer? tougher privacy laws like in france? >> i think so. i think people have to get away. >> connor, alec baldwin doesn't want you or me or anyone else coming a hundred feet within >> i don't think to get 500 feet within him. he terrifies me. he's a great actor and a famous quick temper. he says he was provoked and the guy says he punched him. in terms of a law legally that's a difficult thing to enact especially in new york city so i don't know if he is go have much luck in that arena. >> the old saying you should be

worried when they stop talking about you. why do you think it's so hard for many people to feel bad for the stars when they complain about these things? >> well, because for every alec baldwin who i believe legitimately wants his privacy, you have a star who goes to the beach in a tiny bikini and calls the paparazzi or they release their own sex tape. and so it's this game that so many celebrities play that it's become sort of a part of how the industry wor for many to say you need appointments with the press it sounds like a quaint idea in 2012. >> let's take a look at this this weekend. network newsroom gets a tv drama treatment the new hbo series called newsroom debut on sunday. some critics have panned it. connor, will people want to watch a tv show about tv news? can you just watch tv news? >> well, as you and i both know, it's hard enough to get people to watch the normal tv news much less the fictional tv news. but it's a show about characters

and ris. nobody watches the office because they like paper companies and nobody watches madmen because they like advertising. if aaron can make an interesting dynamic between those characters that is all that mattered. >> here is sorkin talking about his show. take a look at this. >> it doesn't come so much in the form of a person although that is the role jane fonda plays and chris messina plays. it's ratings that if we have a problem in this country with the news. it's at least as much the consumer's fault as it is the provider's fault. >> if you don't like the news, the problem is you. you think he's right? >> me specifically? the proble me? and but there is sething to th and with all entertainment. people say they hate the kardashians and 5 million people watch their show. why someone might want a very art, ielligent news, oftentimes the show is to get

the best ratings aren't that. it's part of the consumer's fault and takes bravery on the producer's part to say we are going to give the people something they might not have said they want and we will give them what they want. >>e ne in th lately if the news doesn't identify your feelings or reinforce your belief people don't watch it at least the ratings are showing that. pretty sad. >> it is. i'm one of those people it feels old fashioned but what i still want and i think this show and he id a fiction writer. maybe the news we all would like to have. >> thank you, connor. appreciate it. >> thank you. ahead, farewell to a friend. ♪ [ man ] excuse me miss. [ gasps ] this fiber one 90 calorie brownie has all the moist, chewy, deliciousness you desire. mmmm.

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