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our thoughts and prayers are with his family. in particular, his parents. take square of yourself. dan was 29 years old. we miss you already. good-bye and good night, >> reporter: it was the moment that changed egypt. but just how much of a change is now in the hands of the military, as the muslim brotherhood consist, mohamed morsi is named president-elect. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. thanks for joining us for our special coverage of egypt, an historic vote. i'm hala gorani at the cnn center.
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as a member of the once banned muslim brotherhood, mohamed morsi was arrested during the regime of the ousted president mossny mubarak. he even spent time in jail. now, he's becoming the country's heaved state. here's how an historic emotional day played out in egypt. >> reporter: egypt election commission has announced mohamed morsi will be the next president of egypt. >> the muslims are just brothers and in islam, all people are equal. >> the contrast between our journey out of cairo when it was gridlocked and everyone tensely waiting for the results. now, suddenly, the streets have been freed up literally and the country has politically as well according to those who think mohamed morsi represents egypt's best hopes.
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>> is there utter disbelief here at the shafik party gathering. gasps of shock as the news is slowly digested but he has been beaten. >> there you have it, shafik supporters stunned by sunday's announcement. backers of mohamed morsi were overjoyed at the news. hours after the was declared as egypt's president-elect. he appeared on television and assured egyptians he wasn't just a muslim leader and this was going to be his big challenge. will he represent all egyptians? this is what he said on state television a few hours ago listen. >> to all sectors of the people,
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to my people, my tribe, i say to them to this momentous day that today, with your election and with your -- after the this i am representing all egyptians whatever they are inside or abroad. >> mohamed morsi, egypt's new president. will he unify the country? so many are still suspicious of the muslim brotherhood. cnn's chief international correspondent and abc world news global anchor christiane amanpour in cairo. what is morsi promising the egyptian people and do they believe him? >> reporter: hala, that is the impression for the majority of egyptians. we have so many people in tahrir square still celebrating. this will go on a long time. they have fireworks, people streaming in from all over cairo
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and other parts of egypt, they're celebrating as well. mohamed morsi was urged to embrace all egyptians and work for national reconciliation. his speech, as you mentioned, did say he would be the president for everyone, christians, minorities, women, listed all elements of society, army, police, intelligence service, teachers, farmers, he went on and on embracing all egyptians. the truth of the matter is half the country did not vote for him. 48% voted for ahmed shafik. they want stability and don't necessarily want an islamist leader. important to note ahmed shafik did send a message of congratulations to morsi as did members of the arab states and israel and the united states as well urging him to work with all egyptians and create a sort of reconciliation government. i had the opportunity to
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interview him before the first round of presidential elections and to ask some of those questions. i asked about the fears of many here in egypt and around the world that a muslim brotherhood candidate might in fact introduce and islamic fundamentalist theocracy >> translator: the egyptian people are freely making their choice now. they are the ones who chose the parliament. we are talking about elections and democracy. if the egyptian people have chosen their leaders, there won't be any room for worry. we want to transform from a president of the institution to an institution of the presidency, to an executive branch that represents the people's true will and implements their public interest. >> if you were president, do you see egypt as more like turkey, and islamic democracy or more like iran, which is more fundamentalist and autocratic? >> there is no such thing called an islamic democracy.
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is there democracy only and democracy is the instrument that is present now. the people are the source of authority. the social mindset is there are a people and the people chooses. that's democracy and that agrees with consultation called for in islam. with that, we are earring for freedom, we are eager for justice, social justice and a democratic constitutional state. we see egypt as a democratic country, the egyptian people are free and the people's will should be implemented. >> what about the role of women? can a woman, under a muslim brotherhood presidency, once the constitution is written, do you agree with a woman running for president? >> i see it being called the presidency of the muslim brotherhood but it is the presidency of egypt. the president of egypt in the next period will be chosen and elected by egyptians. if they pick the head of the freedom and justice party, he will represent all egyptians.
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in that case, the presidency in egypt will be a constitutional pretty. he willful the law and the constitution that applies to all. the role of women in egyptian society is clear. women's rights are equal to men. women have complete rights just like men. there shouldn't be any kind of distinction between egyptians except that, that is based on the constitution and law. >> can you guarantee to the women of egypt that if you were to be president, that the law that currently exists, that makes it a criminal offense to sexually abuse women will not be overturned, will not be struck down? >> translator: rights will be based on the constitution, so all egyptians, whether muslims or christians, men or women, everyone and all, will agree to it and will themselves call for it in the constitution. that means there is no need for worry at all over any kind of abuse of power.
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it will be impossible to allow these kinds of abuses in the shadow of a constitutional state. a lawful state, a state that protects the dignity of a person. there is no room for any abuse of any kind or egyptians or even those who reside in the land of egypt who aren't egyptians. >> what i hear you saying is you agree the new constitution should keep that law and make sure constitutionally women are protected? >> of course. >> all right. thank you for saying that in english. i hear you loud and clear and so will the women. let me ask you about a different issue. do you think that a woman should run for president in egypt? >> remember -- remember, you are a woman. >> exactly. >> i respect you. >> thank you. all the egyptian women are hoping that will be respected and their rights guaranteed. i guess now that i have you here, i want you to say it loud and clear.
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>> yeah. clearly, all egyptian womens have the same rights like the men. they are all my sisters, my daughters, my wife and my mother, they are all egyptians. there is no differences what so ever among the people in egypt, the people of egypt based on anything i believe or sex or whatever you call or you name. >> so before the elections, those were his words and the people here will keep him to it. as i say, they're very concerned they do have all their rights protected. he kept talking about a constitution. a constitution has not yet been written. also, let's not forget, hala, right now he is the president of egypt but he doesn't have much power because the military holds all the power. the supreme council of the armed forces has dissolved the parliament as we know, has legislative authority, has
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desires to have an input in writing the constitution. so all these questions are out there to be resolved in the future. mohammed morsi does come from the more conservative wing of the muslim brotherhood although he has resigned officially from the muslim brotherhood the moment he was named as the president-elect. >> we will be analyzing all this in great detail, what happens next, the lack of constitution, the disillusion of the parliament. we'll be chatting with you, of course, christie, live in cairo during this special hour. while we were seeing these live images from cairo, fireworks were still going off and families, we understand, are still coming in, bringing in their children to celebrate what they see as an historic day, a non-military, non-monarch head of the country. mohamed morsi elected president of egypt. once again, live pictures from cairo's tahrir square, the place
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to be to see egyptian history in the making. remember what it looked like in february last year, as the crowd reacted to news that the then president hosni mubarak had stepped down. here was the scene sunday when morsi supporters heard the announcement of his victory. a sense of what it was like to be in tahrir square at that very historic moment. >> reporter: to say there's a celebration in egypt would be an understatement. just a little while ago, the supreme presidential election commission announced mohamed morsi is egypt's next president. as you can see, thousands and thousands of people are here in tahrir square celebrating. it was just over a year and a half ago protesters came to this square to overthrow president hosni mubarak. is the actually the first time egypt has ever ever had a democratically elected
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president. just to show, the guy who handed me this poster of mohamed morsi, saying he is the man that's going to be egypt's next president and the savior of egypt. i also want to point out there are other groups in this square other than the muslim brotherhood. we're seeing revolutionary groups in this square not necessarily for morsi but against the other candidate. these groups are here to celebrate. cnn, cairo. author and journalist in tahrir square when egypt's first democratic presidential election was announced. his book "liberation square" inside the egyptian revolution and rebit of a nation will be printed by st. martin's press in january. and joins us from cairo. is this the rebirth of your nation? >> it's about a quarter of the way there.
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it's not a rebirth. a lot of people happy morsi and not shafik is president will admit this is a bittersweet moment to a large chunk of the egyptian electorate the choice between morsi and shafik was a depressing choice, a sign we haven't gone as far as maybe we would have liked to by now i think a lot of people, the core constituencies were about the same. as was mentioned earlier, anybody but shafik people voting for morsi and the people voting the other direction, people voting against something they couldn't stand more than they were voting for something. >> let me ask you your personal reflection as you saw people pour into tahrir square that
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mohamed morsi a former muslim brotherhood imprisoned himself by the regime of hosni mubarak is now president when hosni mubarak is in prison. >> it was hard not to enjoy the irony of that no matter what you feel about the muslim brotherhood or morsi. it was infectious and huge. the crowds in tahir as i left a couple hours ago, were as large as they were on the night mubarak resigned. i was impressed with the outpouring and there were thousands more coming. this looks like a street party that will go on until dawn. >> have to ask you. many people around the world are watching this and hear muslim brotherhood president and we'll get into his powers later with other guests and some of them say we should be concerned. this is an islamist now at the head of egypt. should they be? >> i think there's reason for concern absolutely.
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i don't subscribe to the level of panic i think a lot of other people have. personally, having watched the muslim brotherhood operate on the political scene before and after the revolution, i'm not afraid of them imposing sharia, i'm afraid of them being deal cutters and kind of snakes. they're politicians. they're pragmatists to the point of being cynical. i worry about that. i'm far more worried about muslim brotherhood cutting a deal with the military than trying to create the islamic of republic in egypt. >> a splesh talking to you on this historic day for your country and thanks for joining us. joining us live from cairo on his hopes and his fears. this did turn out to be a close election between morsi and shafik. >> coming away with 21.73% and the former aviation minister of the old regime got 48.27% in the end.
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mohamed morsi supporters broke out in cheers when they heard their candidate was declared the winner, a member of the muslim brotherhood freedom and justice party reacted to morsi's win a little bit earlier. listen. >> congratulations for each and every egyptian on the face of the earth. it's just a moment in history we've been waiting for it the last 7,000 years. in the civilization of 7,000 years, this is the first time in history we have our own president-elected by us, the power of the people now is in the hands of the president. the president has to go and move forward with what the people want. this is a great moment in the history. >> that a supporter of mohamed
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morsi. shafik supporters, you can see these images here, shocked to learn of their candidate's narrow loss. one sounded a note of resignation after the official results were released. listen to this. >> all we wanted was to develop our country, to become -- to occupy the position it deserves. so, again, with mr. morsi or shafik, we're hoping for that. hopefully he will develop egypt and be fair and be the president of all egyptian, not only the muslim brotherhood group. >> in the uncertainty preceding the electoral commission announcement, both claimed victory. two men were saying they were the next president. ahmed shafik has reportedly sent a message to mohamed morsi congratulating him on his victory. no public concession speech, if you will, but these reports he has at least perhaps more privately congratulated his rival.
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people around the world are weighing in on the election results. it matters a lot to the region, israel, united states, europe, we will show you what they are all saying next. there's celebration today. what does the future hold information egypt? what about the military? are they grabbing on to power in the intention of holding on it to? we'll talk with steven cook, a senior fellow for middle eastern studies at cfr. we'll be right back. >> egyptian people could overcome the remnants of the lost regime of hosni mubarak. thanks a lot. we overcome this. egyptians could overcome this regime and we should be happy. ttd# 1-800-345-2550
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welcome back. ab historic day for egypt and the western world. mohamed morsi elected president of egypt. the court ruling parliament also issued a constitution addendum text giving itself more power, stripping some of that power from the president. these are images from tahrir square as we are hearing from our guests, just as full of ordinary egyptians as on the night that hosni mubarak stepped down. what about the united states? what does it say or think about e egypt's new muslim brotherhood president?
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joining me from our washington bureau with american reaction to all these events. hi, jill. >> hi, hala. first, the white house issued a statement and significantly, it congratulated mr. morsi on his victory. that was important. there was concern a few hours before, things were looking as if maybe either way, it was not going to turn out very well. there were problems that the u.s. could perceive in both scenarios. when mr. morsi was declared the leader, the u.s. really, i think, breathed a sigh of relief. here's a statement they initially issued from the press secretary to the president. the united states congratulates dr. mohamed morsi on his victory in egypt's presidential election and we congratulate the egyptian people for this milestone in their transition to democracy. we look forward to working together with president-elect
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morsi and the government he forms on the basis of mutual respect to advance the many shareholders interests between egypt and the united states. and then not too long after that, president obama called both gentlemen, both the man who won, mr. morsi and also general shafik. interestingly, hala, if you look at both of those statements and what they said, what he said to both of them, they're similar in a way. congratulations, of course, to morsi, but saying that the u.s. will continue to support egypt's transition to democracy and stand by the egyptian people. and then to general shafik, encouraging him to continue to play a role in egyptian politics by supporting the drasticdrastic -- democratic process and working to unify the egyptian people. in both cases what they're doing is going over the individuals to the principal, which is a continuation of moving along towards democracy and a big
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call-out to help the egyptian people unite. that's one of the key issues right now. >> jill dougherty, our world affairs correspondent, live in washington. thanks very much, jill. we'll catch up with jill a little bit later for more reaction from the united states. as jill reported, the u.s. has been keeping a keen eye on the election in egypt. steven cook is a fellow from middle eastern studies from the council on for ren relations and joins us also live from washington. you heard the results when we all heard results. mohamed morsi, muslim brotherhood, president of egypt. what did you think when you heard it? what does the future hold for this country? >> this is yet another extraordinary moment in the last 17 months of extraordinary moments. it is certainly a tremendous change. it's something that is unexpected but despite the celebrations that we're seeing in tahrir square right now, there is much to be done before we can say egypt is firmly on the path to democracy.
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first, the muslim brotherhood itself does not have very good democratic credentials. secondly, the supreme council of the armed forces seems to hold most of the power here. >> steven, should we trust either the muslim brotherhood or the military leaders right now still very much in charge, by the way? should we trust them? >> no, i don't think that we should. i think they've all said many different things about supporting the goals of the revolution. they also said things that raised concern about the goals of the revolution. the important thing right now is measure the brotherhood and supreme council of armed forces by what they do now. right now, it does not seem that the military is actually willing to hand over power although they may be willing to hand over day-to-day administration of egypt. the brotherhood has much to prove beyond its core constituency in terms of the role of women in society, a more
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inclusive government, outreach to all egyptians as they say they want, they now need to go ahead and do that. >> what about the muslim brotherhood could surprise us in a positive way. they know they need tourists to come back and need this economy to bounce back. unemployment is a disaster in egypt right now. foreign investment has dwindled to almost nothing when it comes to services sector. the muslim brotherhood knows it needs to reassure the world h. >> it does. it has already been going through arguments about why it will go back to the united states and seek additional aid and aid from the international monetary fund. it has done so by suggesting the united states and international community must do this as a form of apology for the support for mubarak over the course of 30 years. indeed the brotherhood does need to reach out. there is always the possibility it will be a force for change in egypt, positive change in egypt.
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i think it's an emperical question at this point. >> empirical question. we will have to wait and see. it's the old cliche. we, i suppose, will only know once things actually end up happening. in a country like egypt with so many surprises over the last several weeks. steven cook, always a pleasure talking to you. thanks so much, steven cook. we've been talking a lot about this muslim brotherhood winner of the presidential election, mohamed morsi who is he and what does he stand for christiane amanpour talked to president morsi before today's announcement. coming up, hear what he says about international relations and relations with israel. we'll talk more with christiane about mohamed morsi and what the world and his country, men and women, can expect from him. with the spark cash card from capital one,
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disqualified. he is a conservative among conservatives. his campaign ran on the slogan islam is the solution. he insists he will not try to turn egypt into a fundamentalist islamic state. let's return to cairo. we're joined once more by glo anchor christiane amanpour. i keep reading tahrir square is as full tonight as it was last year. i can still fireworks. >> reporter: you're absolutely right. it looks very much like a street party in tahrir square. there's no element of tension or no element of any kind of menace. people were worried before the
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official election result was announced there might be some kind of violence depending which way it went. the military staff, the acronym that denotes the military ruling council, they had issued orders for hoot to kill if there was going to be any aggression against government buildings or police. they deployed many extra police and security forces throughout the country.
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it's turned out to be up until now and probably throughout the next days and weeks, a very peaceful release and leif. even though we have been mentioning the challenges morsi will face and the fact he doesn't have full presidential powers, people do see this as a transformational moment. as one of our guests said earlier on, for 7,000 years of egyptian history people have not been able to freely choose the person they wished to represent them as a national leader. somebody said to me down there earlier this evening, this is the happiest moment of my life. for the first time i've been able to cast a vote and it matters. we've been able to elect our leader. this is something of enormous pride for the people of egypt. hala. >> we can see that's what they're celebrating. let's talk a little bit about mohamed morsi and his for ren policy plans for the country. you speak to him a few weeks ago about egypt's relationship with israel and how that would evolve. what did he tell you in particular? >> i talked to him about many things. many people believed morsi could possibly win because the muslim brotherhood is the most organized in all of egypt. as you know, for 60 years, this muslim brotherhood has been pursued by the state and now a member is head of state.
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what does that mean for relations with other countries, which had good relations with the former regime? for instance the united states. i asked him about that. he said of course we want good relations with the united states but want it based on mutual respect and dignity. you hear this a lot in this part of the world. it basically means they cannot expect the u.s. and others to have the kind of relations that are a one-way street as they pretty much did over the years of autocratic but friendly rulers. now, the street will have a say in many, many areas, including foreign policy, at least that's what these leaders hope. i asked him about israel. israel has had a peace treaty with egypt more than 30 years now.
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very interestingly, i had spoken to the israeli presiden last week when he received the medal of freedom and said while many people may be criticizing president mubarak. i believe he deserves respect because he has kept to the camp david accords and prevented a war between israel and any other arab country for the last more than 30 years. i put that to mr. morsi. would he respect the camp david accords and all aspects of the peace treaty and especially not put that treaty to a referendum? >> translator: egypt is a great country, proud and ancient is a member of the united nations. egypt, the institution, the state, in its nuregime respects all the treaties and agreements implemented between it and between the states of the world. with that we confirm we respect all the treaties we signed on to before with egyptians. at the same time, we say what israels have done in terms of violations in the past must be taken into accounting by a new egypt and egypt with a message of peace. we have come to the world with a message of peace but we cannot permit aggression upon us whether in words or deeds. it's now time for israelis to know the peace accord must be respected to by both sides and no parties should violate it. >> as leaders of the peace and
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justice party, you have in the past before you became the leader of this party called israeli leaders vampires and killers and basically said if you're president you won't meet with the leaders. how will that work if you're president and have a peace treaty with israel? >> translator: we want balanced international relations with all states of the world and continue to protect the accord we have made with all. we as egyptians as elected president will protect our border and defend ourselves and won't allow anyone to threaten that border. whoever wants to live in peace and follow those treaties must show his sincerity. >> i want to ask you one last question on the treaty with israel, with all the translation, i want to make sure i have it correctly. are you saying if you are president, the treaty will stand, it will not go to a referendum and you will respect that treaty? >> yes, of course, i will.
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>> got it, loud and clear. >> give me another point. >> yeah. >> i will respect it provided the other side keep it up and respect it. >> so israel today has congratulated the democratic process here in egypt and looks forward, says the official statement, to continuing to work in partnership in areas of mutual interest with egypt.
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hala. >> okay christiane amanpour, live on this historic day, egypt elected a new president, a former muslim brotherhood member of the freedom and justice party of the political wing of the brotherhood. he's resigned from that post. he is promising to be the president of all egyptians. with christiane, we were discussing foreign relations with egypt and israel in particular. howe is israel -- how is israel reacting to all of this? the prime minister has issued a statement. and joining us now from jerusalem. what are we hearing from the israelis today? >> well, hala, as we just heard, a very measured statement saying they -- the israelis appreciate the democratic process, accept the results and look forward to moving forward based on that peace treaty. no congratulations from them as we have heard around the world and no congratulations for mohamed morsi. this wasn't unexpected. the question is not whether muslim brotherhood likes israel. they know how they feel about them, the question is how will they deal with israel going forward? now that they're in power, will they be vindictive towards the west or israel or try to be more
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pragmatic. israel doesn't really know who mohamed morsi said he will not deal with israeli officials. who will he appoint to have contact with this government? delegate contacts from the military or foreign minister, not from his party or his supporters that will deal with israel? relations are not very good right now and likely to be a little bit frozen for the time being. israel officials tell me they expect president-elect morsi to have to deal with immediate domestic pressing issues, the
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economy, uniting the nation and have to see how the relationship shakes out. >> has there been any contact on any level of israelis and members of the freedom and justice party or do we not know that? >> reporter: not at all, hala. israel officials tell me they tried to put out feelers and tried to reach out to the freedom and justice party. one israeli official told me today there is not one member of the muslim brotherhood who wants to have any contact with israel. that's the rub right now. how will they deal with this government? obviously, there are pressing issues, the egyptian military and israeli military do have good ties. there's a lot of concern about what's going on the sinai, border between israel and egypt. it's been lawless since the revolution, fall of hosni mubarak. not only do you have hamas trying to exploit this lawlessness and vacuum, you have other palestinian groups and even egypt and israeli officials say there's a growing al qaeda presence on the border they're very concerned about. there have been cross border attacks, one israeli official
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kills this morning. now an egyptian president has been elected, he needs to use all his authority to deal with this situation because they see this as the most pressing issue between the two countries. >> we'll see how it develops. they are neighboring countries, some communication has to take place. elise is in jerusalem. we have been saying this is a truly historic time for egypt because it is the first democratically elected president in the country's history. but what about these pictures? there's no parliament, no constitution. the military is holding on to much of the power and the muslim brotherhood candidate, many people very much suspicious of their motives. we will be right back and speak ing with al aribiya television next. stay with us. visit your local walmart vision center today to discover how authentic transitions brand lenses enhance your vision.
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i tried to find the words to express happiness. we all love mohamed. >> luke at these images and for anyone who knows the middle east, can you imagine this happening two or three years ago? i'm certain very few people ever envisioned this. let's get more privilege on the results in egypt today. michelle is the washington chief of al arabia television.
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the past including the judiciary system which annulled his parliament. we have to see how they will govern. the problem is he's the president of a truncated presidency. it's been hallowed by the military officers. he has no constitution, has no parliament. he has to face the rising expectations of a young egyptian generation that expects to reap immediately the political economic benefits of a revolution. >> is the military hoping it will have a presidential frontman, figure head without many powers and still pull all the strings? >> absolutely. the egyptian military would like to do what the turkish military to do what the turkish military did a few generations ago when they managed to create a situation where the civilian government takes care of day-to-day affairs and military privileged position in society as the guardian of the turn irk state. that's what the egyptian >> tell me what that fear is. we talk a lot about the turkish model for the middle east. what is -- what are the perils
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of the pakistani model for egypt? >> you would have a great deal of corruption. no supervision. tremendous graph, no real checks and balances. you would have a formal democratic functions but not necessarily a real democracy. i always remind people that elections are not synonymous with democracy. democracy is much more than that. so far, we don't have democracy in egypt. that should be clear. you don't have independent judiciary rin the real sense. you don't have checks and balances in the real sense. >> these people in the square today, are they wrong to celebrate? >> no. i always insisted -- i didn't want to be intoxicated with the triumph of the moment back in february of last year that's why i'm still skeptic about what's to take place in egypt. too these people -- sorry to jump in, these people, will they let the military or brotherhood or anyone else at this stage in this revolution get away with
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grabbing power and keeping their privileges and continuing to be corrupt? >> we've seen the aspirations of people everywhere being circumvented and undermined and aborted by the persistence of the old order, by the military, by other forces in society. keep in mind, ahmed shafik could have won this thing. many people voted negatively either because they didn't want traffic as a representative of the past or voted for shafik because they don't want the islamist. the will of the people may not necessarily be reigning supreme in the next few months or years. i hope i'm wrong. i'm arguing there are forces within the egyptian society, military, history of the muslim brotherhood and history of progressive forces and inability to articulate a secular
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progressive really drastic vision for egypt. we have seen a great deal of failure and violence something none of us anticipated in february of last year when mubarak was overthrown. >> we have to leave it there. you bring up so many good points, we could go on for much longer, the secular parties organiing themselves politically and fear the military will hold on to power and islamist president and the minorities anding their rights. thank you as always, we'll be speaking with you over the next few weeks and months, i'm sure, as so much history is made in the arab world. as anyone who's ever been to cairo knows, traffic is crazy there, believe me. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550
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