the top. and they thought that the steroids seemed to be a common denominator. >> from the cases that we reviewed, almost all of the children died and almost all of them had steroids. >> reporter: steroids can be a to ten anti-inflammatory. but when given to children with aggressive infections, steroids can sue press the body's own immune system, allowing the infection to become worse. as was the case with ev-71. you hear a lot about avian flu. ev-71, as far as they could tell, really had not been in cambodia before, for sure. why does it suddenly appear like this and why does it appear with such a vengeance? >> it looks like this has emerged strongly, probably because it had not circulated to the same, with the same intensity in the past years. >> reporter: it's believed that a slight variation in the ev-71

made the virus stronger. and the steroids made the bodies resistance even weaker. so, case closed? it sounds like the case is closed now, from your standpoint? >> yes, i think we can close the case. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, c cnn, cambodia. how do we americans view public figures when they fall from grace? that discussion, coming up next.

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half past the hour now. let's take a look at the top stories of the day. a very senior syrian official breaks ranks with damascus and now supports the rebels. this man, the one-time syrian ambassador to iraq. he says president bashar al assad is a dictator that rules syria by decree and the only solution to the conflict is international military intervention. florida's lieutenant governor is trying to squash a nasty allegation a former female staller alleges kenner in carroll had an inappropriate sexual relationship with her. carroll calls the allegations outland dish. the staffer already faces charges of making an illegal reporting in the capital. >> i haven't done anything wrong. it's a total lie. immediately, i become an

individual that's now accused and in america, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and now i'm guilty until proven innocent. >> meantime, robert kennedy jr.'ses stranged wife was buried again toy. the family moved mary kennedy's body to a new grave site in the same cemetery on cape cod. they brought 50 surrounding plots, which will be reserved for her six children. he hanged herself in may after battling depression for much of her life. well, can a tarnished legacy ever recover? penn state coach joe paterno was held up at the example of everything that was right in college sports. winning with intelrity. academics, running a clean football program. a true sports legend. now look at this. it is a mural near pe state that featured paterno with a halo overhis head. yesterday, the artist that painted that mural removed the halo. he also removed jerry sandusky from the same mural earlier this

year. earlier tonight, i spoke to cnn contributors and i asked their thoughts on that penn state report released just a few days ago and what the findings are going to meet for joe paterno's legacy? >> people said, oh, his legacy has been completely shredded. i don't even think it's shredded. i think it's been rewritten. in the face of what we know, in the face of what the report confirms, 400-some odd victories seem kind of trivial. the way this is really his last act in a lot of ways. people have bad acts and then have a long career where they can make up for it. that's not the case here. his whole reputation was predicated on this righteousness. wasn't as though this was a random bad act. i think this, like it or not, this is really his legacy now, unfortunately. >> and lz, paterno's family has

come out and they've said, look, joe paterno was not perfect but he's human and he came forward and spoke out more than anyone else has in this in terms of those under fire right now. what do you think, lz? does he get remembered for all he did right or does this carry him? >> well, unfortunately for him, a lot of people in this country don't know what he did right. you know, i know it seems as if -- i obviously, we're in sports, you know, sports is our world, but for a lot of people, the first time they heard of joe paterno was from the sandusky trial. they only know this about him. and that's what makes this difficult and why his legacy will be defined by this case. it isn't because of the -- s sandusky trial stretched so far beyond the realm of sports. it was in everyone's living room. it defined who he was who didn't know him as the coach.

>> that's a very interesting point. you know, over the past few days, his former competitor and also very close friend, former florida state football coach bobby bowden was asked about paterno's legacy and he was asked if that statue outside of beaver stadium should come down, he said he thinks it should. the university has not made a decision. he was asked about paterno's legacy. listen to this. you can really hear the pain in his voice. take a listen. >> you know what his legacy's going to be. it's going to be this. now, this is -- i used to warn my football players over and over. you be good, you be good, you be good, you set a good name, you get a good reputation, you can kill it in 15 minutes. you can kill it by one act. this is what's happened to -- in joe's situation. >> yeah. you know, so, let's broaden this out, john, and talk about other public figures in sports that have been in the center of controversy. i really want to know, people are telling me on twitter, you can't compare san dusdusky terr

acts to someone else, you talk about pete rose, roger clemens, lang arm stropg, just the fact that, whether they are vindicated or not, their names were tarnished and they were at the top of their game. what do you think when you look broader at sports and legacy? >> yeah, i mean, i think athletes are a little different than coaches, and i think that athletes, for better or worse, we don't expect them necessarily to be perfect. obviously, taking steroids is not something to condone, but the records and the home runs and you can make a statistical case. when you are a coach, a leader, especially joe paterno, whose whole image is predicated on morality and righteousness, it's been blown up by this. the cover up is what seals it. he's in a much worse spot than a lance armstrong or barry bonds. >> the point that you made earlier, having time to do things after to make up. not only was this paterno's worst moment, it was really

right near the end of his life and this report came out after he died. lz, talk politics, talk about someone like president clinton, despite the lewinsky scandal, he's still massively popular. adored by so many. still very support d. or look at a nix op aon and watergate. how much does it have to do with timing? >> well, a lot of it has to do with timing. but it's the degree of what the scandal or controversy happens to be. and what you just proposed that to. when it comes to president clinton, had he run on a policy of family values, i'm a strong christian man, don't you ever cheat on your wife, i think we would look at him and monica lewinsky a little differently than what we do now. that's because he didn't run that type of platform. the same thing with nixon. partal of the reason why nixon is only remembered for watergate is because of the type of persona he presented to the public prior to that scandal. and then, of course, i'm not a crook and that whole sort of thing. so, i really think that in terms

of the reason why it hurts paterno so much is the same thing john's been talking about. the platform that he's had his per forthat based upon. being a person of integrity. and i want to make sure that we point out the fact, this isn't a single act. the freeh report says this was over 14 years. you goon making a singular mistake to a consciousness to have a coverup. and that really tarnishes the conversation. president clinton, you can pretty much say he had a weak moment with a young lady in his white house. but it's hard to describe that when you have 14 years of a coverup with paterno. well, big thanks to john and lz for joining me earlier tonight for that conversation. meantime, thousands of criminal convictions are right now under government review because the lab work results might be flawed. coming up, my conversation with a former fbi special agent about how this happened. [ male announcer ] don't miss red lobster's four course seafood feast,

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well, the fbi and the justice department have recently launched an undertaking like nothing they have ever done before. this is really interesting. they're reviewing thousands of criminal cases, trying to find out if defendants were wrongly convicted and wrongly thrown in jail, based on faulty forensic analysis. i talked with a former fbi special agent, harold cope, it's about that, and how he helped exonerate two men. take a listen. >> it was unbelievable, the number of people, the amount of time and the effort and the obstacles that you run into. so, if you think about the fbi, were to do this, they would do this in their field offices, i suspect they would create task forces, which would mean an fbi agent and then some officers from local law enforcement. that's about the only way it can be done and quite frankly, maybe you can only do one, two cases a year. >> now, i know you left the fbi

15 years ago. i want to tell you something interested that was reported in "the washington post" in april. they reported that justice officials had known for years about questionable forensic evidence or testimony in some trials but they didn't take a new look at the cases at that time. they didn't notify the defendants or their attorneys of possible problems in the evidence and i wonder, harold, your reaction to that, did anything like that occur while you were working for the fbi, that you know of? >> well, you know, i didn't, and i would venture to say most of the agents would not know. if that haened, that's -- that sounds bad on the surface, we need to get that corrected. i will tell you that me and most of the agents i worked with would go out of their way to work real hard to make sure that the person that was potentially going to be indicted, arrested and hopefully convicted, that it

was a righteous case. meaning that there was no doubt that that person was guilty. we're not talking 99% or 99.9%. it has to be 100%. if it's not 100%, it's not worth going. the justice system, cannot be allowed to be broken that way. >> in the cases that you dealt with that exonerated these men, you said that one of the biggest challenges was deeming wi indea families on both sides, reopening that wound that families thought was settled on both sides. explain. >> well, really, you know, there are always going to be at least minimum of two victims. you've got, if someone wrongfully goes to jail, that is, you have the person who is in jail who is the victim and then you have all the family members of the person, in these cases, they were murders. but you have every one of those people, and that extended family. they think, the family does,

that justice has been seed. and then all of a sudden, something comes up and says, we're going to turn this cart upside down and we're going to shake it up and somebody's going to walk away, which means a lot of time has passed, how do we find the person who calls this crime, who calls my loved one to maybe die? that's very unsettling. >> that also brings up the issue of statute of limitations and whether or not it is indeed leaning towards another person after one is exonerated if they can even be tried, depending on the crime. >> it does. and it requires, and when i said an amount of time, it isn't just investigative time, it's attorney time andesearch. you have to go back in there and hopefully uncover evidence that will allow the attorneys to create an appeal on new evidence. difficult task. >> absolutely. harold, thank you so much for downing us tonight. we appreciate it.

going broke. from wall street to main street. now, entire cities. the paychecks for firefighters and police in one town, now minimum wage. >> this is a catastrophic blow. i need to provide for my family.

well, just this week, san bernardino, california, declared

bankruptcy, just weeks after stockton, california, did the same thing. and in scranton, pennsylvania, police and fire fighters are now getting paid minimum wage. $7.25 an hour. so, why are some of the u.s.'s big cities right on the edge of financial disaster? i spoke with economist peter navarro and financial consultant in scranton gary lewis. professor navarro told me the root of the problem is u.s. trade policy. >> the best jobs program is trade reform with china. what the heck does china have to do with scranton? everything. they stole our jobs. we shot down 50,000 factories over the past ten years. we got 25 million people, poppy, in this country, who are underemployed, not earning a decent wage. and the reason why is, we don't make stuff anymore. we consume more than we make. and the tragedy of these cities is that they can't do anything. the only thing they can do is

basically penalize people and cut their wages or cut pensions or make the bondholders take a hair cut. that's the only thing they can do. and bankruptcy is a tool to do that. >> let's talk, gary. would a bankruptcy filing in scranton really allow you to pay police officers, firefighters, more than minimum wage or is it going to obscure a bigger problem here, because it's going to raise the cost of borrowing, it's going to effect the bond market which is going to effect investors, going to effect the people there? >> but the city shouldn't be doing all of the borrowing it's done. we have $100 million in total outstanding debt. $55 million in authority debt that, the authority has defaulted on. the problem, and the reason we can't pay our public servants, is because we are paying $8 to $10 million a year in debt service cost. we need to restructure the debt. we need to address the pensions, which are althounother massive

expense for the city. we can't just cut the salaries, say, that saves us money. we are obligated to pay them that money. they will win that lawsuit. >> it's an interesting thing -- >> you know what is funny here poppy? it sounds like he's talking about the federal government. because it's the same problem. we've got an economy that's not performing and so, we can't pay our bills and nobody gets it. so, if you are in scranton, you think it's a scranton problem, if you are in california, you think it's a california problem. our cities are dying. our cities are dying because our economy is dying and our economy is dying because we don't make stuff anymore. we have to get our manufacturing jobs back. that's why we have presidential elections. i want to hear obama and romney talking about how to get our manufacturing back to scranton and everywhere in between. >> reality is, those jobs -- the country has lost is in the millions, if you look just in the last decade alone. >> tens of millions. >> absolutely. but --

>> why do you say that those jobs aren't coming back? the problem we have -- >> because i talk to the heads of the big companies, general electric and others that have brought some of the jobs back -- >> general electric -- >> a lot of them aren't coming back. >> this isn't something that's going to be fixed overnight. you can't make jobs -- >> guys -- >> the offshore -- the offshore to china, they make a bunch of money over there and they take their jobs out of -- >> professor -- >> they tell you we can never get them back. >> i want to give gary the last word here. gary, go ahead. i want to preface it, saying it is interesting to note kwch"the. times" said it was a bad idea, cost him $10 million in legal fees, didn't cut many of their costs significantly and said it hurt their reputation. that's something to think about, too, right gary? >> it absolutely is. but if you look at the problem we have, we can't keep going the

way we are. we need to do something to address the structural deficit. creating jobs is a great idea. if we do this correctly, if we have a properly planned bankruptcy, we can reduce the debt service, we can fund our pensions, we can cut the fat and get the city operating. scranton has an $86 million budget and $56 million of tax revenue. there's no reason we should have that kind of a gap. we need to do something immediately, right now, at the local level and bankruptcy does that. well, when they sent up voyager, all the way in 1977, you have to wonder if anyone at nasa ever thought we'd be talking about this. "voyager" is about to go where no one and nothing ever made by u.s. has ever gone before. that's next. ♪

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the dust. it is still going. and nasa says very soon, possibly in the next few months, "voyager i" will become the first manmade object to leave the sun's gravitational pull and, thus, become the first manmade object to ever leave the solar system. what's it going to find? well, we may not get photos back. scientists best guess is that the interstellar space is a cold dense vacuum. whatever it is, consider this. it was just about 500 years ago that most of us believe the earth was flat an that the planet circled us. now, hopefully we'll find out first hand how much more may actually be out there. and that is tonight's real sunday night mystery. and, a short time ago, don lemon spoke with a young woman who shared painful memories about when she was a victim of bullying. her name is elizabeth. she relived those painful moments on national television,