one year ago, anders baring breivik killed dozens of teenagers in oslo, norway. you can continue the conversation on twitter @randykayecnn. that is all from aurora, colorado. candy crowley is next with "state of the union." a massacre muddies the campaign trail. >> if there is anything to take away from the tragedy, it is a remi reminder that life is very fragile. >> our hearts break with the sadness of this unspeakable tragedy. >> a conversation with colorado governor john hickenlooper. >> respond to a shooting at the theater. and the u.n. crisis with syria. also, john mccain. and a diseased mind with expert

jerry spoe dak. >> do you still stand by your support of this failed deal? >> you ratcheted it up and increased the debt ceiling. >> a senate debate and a conversation with tim cape and george allen. i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." joining me is colorado governor john hickenlooper. governor, thank you so much for being here. catch me up now on the state of the investigation. >> well, the investigation continues now that we have had access to the apartment of the suspect. they've got a lot more new information, and they will continue to put together the case. >> and what have they found in the apartment that might be useful? are they learning anything more about the suspect? >> you know what they have asked for me is to not talk about this, and they are learning more, you know, moment by moment. but like in any investigation like this, they are trying to make sure they are getting all

of the information first before they release it publicly. >> sure. is there anything that you can tell me about that goes to motive. i think that when you are not right there and in it, and trying to help people as they move through this horrific crisis, when you are standing outside of it, you think, why would someone do this? does anything go to motive that you can share with us? >> you know, i am speechless, because i have been asked this, and obviously, a deeply troubled, twisted, delusional person. i can't for the life of me, i don't -- you know, i can't conceive of a motive. >> we might have to leave that to the psychiatrists. has there been any, and can you tell me if the parents have talked to the suspect? >> again, i don't know that. i know that they have done hundreds of interviews, so they

are certainly leaving no stone unturned. >> and let's talk about those who are remaining injured and i know that several are still in critical condition, and what do we know about the status of those that were injured? >> well, the, you know, i spent yesterday, most of yesterday going from hospital to hospital and talking to the families and in some cases talking to the wounded. it was amazing how buoyant the spirits were in many of the rooms, and being with people who had suffered grievous wounds. i mean, there is a resiliency and i don't believe it is just colorado, because the west is always known for that kind of strength of character and the comeback and rebound, but it is something that i felt was an american quality. at one point i talked in one hospital three different countries who were refugees, and one was from tunisia and one from jordan and one from asia all wounded and all came to this

country escaping violence, and to a person they said, we love america. we still love america. we are so glad we are here. it was very touching. >> i know that you have been on the phone with the president, and the president is coming to visit you today. and what can you share with me about his reaction and what will transpire today when he gets there? >> well, he called me, you know, very early on friday morning. he, obviously, wants to do what he could to help. he, again, said, if i'm a distraction or problem in any way, i don't, and you know, i shouldn't come. and as we talked to individuals in the hospital, and we talked to the mayor hogan from aurora who has done an incredible job, and pretty much, it was unanimous that the president could come, it would be a very, very positive thing for this community, for especially the families of the victims. >> and what will he be doing

there? meeting with the people in the hospitals or a service he will at the end? >> i believe he is going to meet with a group of the families and the victims that have come there. he is planning to go to the hospital. they have not finalized the itinerary, because we have a large public community vigil in aurora another 6:30 tonight. he felt that was too distractive, and it would have been, because everybody would have come two hours early and would have overpowered it. it was sensitive that he recognize recognizes le do what he can to help the families, but not disrupt anymore than absolutely necessary. >> and you said something on friday that caught my attention talking about the safety, relative safety of the country and the state and the cities, and you said, we need to recognize that we can't allow people who are aberrations of nature to take away the joys and the freedoms that we enjoy. i know you know that the u.s.

conference of mayors, and along with mayor bloomberg in particular of new york and some on capitol hill, and former governor rendell have all said, folks, we need to get serious about gun control. i wonder in the statement that you made, were you speaking in particular of the second amendment or what were you talking about there? >> no. i was talking -- i mean, i think that the political will come, but at this point, you know, in a funny way, this guy is a terrorist, right. he wasn't a terrorist in the sense of politics, but for whatever twisted reasons that we can barely even imagine, he wanted to create terror. all right. he wanted to put fear in people's lives, and for so many of us, movies are one of the places that we find solace and get away from the life. and it is hot in the summer and the movie theater is cool, and when it is freezing in the winter, the movie theater is warm. you get to get outside of the daily life, and we can't let him

take that away from us. and my chief of staff, her daughter organized 20 kids last night all in the early 20s to go see "batman" to drive a stake in the ground to say, we won't be terrorized or accept that. we won't let that happen. >> when you look at what transpired here, a man apparently with no criminal background and no contact with police, and speeding ticket was the only thing found there, when you look and if you are not familiar with the interior west or the midwest or, you know, obviously lots of rural places here on the east coast and don't totally understand a gun culture, when you look at what this young man was able to the acquire over three or four months with an assault weapon, a shotgun, a .009 glock, and another .009 millimeter, and

people stand back and say, some bell should have gone out, and somebody say, whoa, somebody is collecting an arsenal, and yet no way to collect those things, and should there be? >> well, i'm not sure that there is any way in a free society to be able to do that kind of -- and he was buying things from different places. certainly, we can try and i'm sure we will try to create some checks and balances on these things, but it is an act of evil. if it was not one weapon, it would have been another, and he was diabolical, and to look at what was inside of that apartment, and even now it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. he was -- and it is terrifying that he could spend so much time planning such evil.

>> do you see any law anywhere that could stop a man with no record in a society that protects the second amendment that might have prevented this? >> well, we are certain ly looking at that and trying to say, you know, how do you prevent this, and you know the virginia tech shootings, and i look at we have been lucky of the shootings all across the country, and you know, dare i say, how do we preserve our freedoms, right, and all of those things that define this country and yet try to prevent something like this happening. let me tell you that there's no easy answer. there isn't. >> what i hear from you is that you are open to people who want to suggest a gun law or something that might prevent this sort of thing, but at the moment, you can't imagine what that would be. >> yeah. i mean, i'm happy to look at anything. but, again, this person if we

had, if there were no assault weapons available, and no this or no that, this guy is going to find something, right. he knows how to create a bomb and who knows where the mind would have gone clearly very intelligent individual, however twisted, and you know, i don't know but that is the problem, and this is really, and this is a human issue, and in some profound way that this level of d distushed individual that we can't recognize it. that, the people around him obviously had no idea that this was something that he was capable of. >> right, right. governor john hickenlooper of colorado. a rough, rough several days for you and so many people in colorado. certainly, we are thinking about you out here on the east coast. thank you. >> thank you, and trust me, we will rise above this. i guarantee it. >> thanks. so how much do we owe you? that'll be $973.42. ya know, your rates and fees aren't exactly competitive.

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i am joined by arizona republican senator john mccain. senator, i want to talk to you in depth at the end of this about guns and the role of guns in society, but i know because of the tucson shooting and gabby giffords, this is something that you want to first get off of your chest.

>> well, briefly, a terrible tragedy and bears repeating, but also, i hope that the folks in colorado could look at what we did in tucson. it was great healing and the president of the united states came and gave a great speech. it was really, the community and the state united, and i hope that the people of aurora, and the state of colorado, will also begin on it. it is tough, but i think that we have emerged in arizona where there's been significant improvement. i hope that everybody knows how tough it is as well. >> i think that governor hickenlooper was headed in that direction talking about the community coming together. let me move you first overseas and talk to you about syria, and this is obviously a subject that you have been heavily involved in pushing for more u.s. action and more u.s. leadership, and not boots on the ground, but getting some help to the rebels. i want to play something that leon panetta said this week for

you. >> the violence there has only gotten worse and the loss of lives have only increased, which tells us that this is a situation that is rapidly spinning out of control. >> really? is that it? i hate to be sarcastic, but because of our failure to assist, because of our failure to lead other willing nations in the region like turkey and saudi arabia and qatar and others, the situation has now deteriorated to a situation which is really, re really very dangerous. we now have -- >> it is retrievable? >> well, it is retrievable, but it is far, far more difficult and complicated than if we had weighed in a long time ago. more al quaid fighters and media reporters that chemical weapons are moved around and israel concerned about some of the chemical weapons reaching hezbollah. not to mention the massacre of

17,000 or 18,000 people? while this edadministration has relied on the goodwill of russia and the united nations security council and relied on russia for a long period of time that they would take bashar al assad to russ russia. it has been shameful. it is shameful. and we need to, and now the latest reports are that they are going to help, but they are not going to provide weapons. they want other countries to do that. these are helicopter gunships, tanks, artillery that are slaughtering people, and now there is a risk, and i'm not saying it is going to happen, but a risk that in the desperation, bashar al assad may use the chemical weapons, but cle clearly the israelis see this as a serious threat, because the situation has gone on and on and more extremists have come into the fight, and the more difficulty there is going to be after this is over. >> well, we are kind of where we are where we are, so as of right now, we are still sort of

working through the u.n. or trying to work through the u.n. -- >> how many times -- >> and you laugh, because do you just consider -- >> how many times do we have to try that? kofi annan's plan is an abject failure, and we keep pushing the reset button that russia and china -- and now we are bound by the decisions of the u.n. security council which are dictated by russia and china. we need to get arms and equipment to them, and establish a buffer zone. >> and you want to get u.s. arms to them? >> yes, why not? russian arms are coming in and iranians are on the ground, and meanwhile, iranians are helping bashar al assad and they are committing acts of -- they are committing terrorist acts around the world and planning on terrorist acts and the talks with iran on the nuclear development has broken down and where is the united states of america? the president has not yet in my memory iin recent times spoken

up for the people who are slaughtered in the streets of aleppo, homs and damascus and others today. >> let me ask you about another area of the world, and that is israel. i want to play you something that president obama was down in west palm beach, and something that he said recently. >> i want everybody here to know that under my edadministration haven't just preserved the unbreakable bond with israel, we have strengthened it. we have stood by israel's side in the face of criticism, and our military and intelligence cooperation has never been closer. >> you think that is true? >> everybody knows that relations with israel have never been worse beginning with the demands forrer the free settlement back in the beginning of the obama administration, and the president sends the national security adviser and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to israel to tell them not to attack by weakening israel. the relations have never been

worse and again, it is a lack of trust on the part of the israelis about what the united states of america will or will not do. >> let me turn you back now to the situation in colorado. and remind the viewers of what has happened dating back to 1999, littleton, colorado, other wise known as columbine with 13 killed in a mass shooting and 2007, virginia tech, 32 killed and 2009, fort hood, texas, 13 kills and 2012, aurora, colorado, 12 killed. different circumstances and people say, can't we do anything to stop this? >> i don't know to tell you the truth what we can do. this is immediately leading to the issue of gun control. the killer in norway was in a country that had very strict gun control laws, and yet, he was still able to acquire the necessary means to initiate and carry out a mass slaughter. i think that we need to look at

everything, if everything should be looked at, but to think that somehow gun control is or increased gun control is the answer in my view, that has to be proved. >> but you would be open to the discussion. part of what people are looking at are these magazines and the automatic weapons where you can shoot down 100 people, and as i understand it, this suspect's gun jammed and he had to go to ones that didn't fire so rapid, but he was able to buy and had on him, a 100-round cartridge. he was able to buy over three months, four weapons, 6,000 ammo cartridges over the internet. if we had put that all together, someone would have said, oh, we need to check on apartment 3b or whatever it is because this guy is gathering up an arsenal which is also including tear gas. and then you get to the point where you don't want people spying on what people are

buying, but on the other hand, what is the price? the price is all of the things that we have read off? >> well, first of all, remember that it is a constitutional right. second of all, i think that if you could prove the case that indeed that has a positive effect, we had a ban on assault weapons that expired some years ago, and it didn't change the situation at all in my view. look, i think that the strongest second amendment rights people would be glad to have a conversati convertion, but to somehow leap to the conclusion that this was caused by the fact that we don't have more gun control legislation has been proved. >> senator john mccain, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me on. still no motive for the colorado shootings. an inside assessment of the threat from our expert next. are helping grow our economy. lending more so companies and communities can expand,

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joining me is barry spodak who is a threat assessment expert who has worked with a number of federal and local law enforcement agencies and we have learned of your expertise from your daughter who is ale va youed member of t-- who is a me of our staff and a valued member at that. and i want to go to something

that governor hickenlooper said. we have no excuse, but we would like to understand what this is all about? >> in terms of motivation, candy, what pushes people to do acts like this comes from the work of robert fine and others who look at what makes people becomes a sas s-- assassins, an even though we don't know the specific motive in this case, we know that the most common motives of people who carry out acts like this is one to draw attention to themselves, and gaining notoriety or fame, and in some cases to perceive what they see to be an injustice, you know, to avenge something that was done to them. to bring attention to an injustice that they see going on elsewhere in the world or in some cases to create a permanent

connection between them and a person, event or place. >> john hinkley comes to mind. >> yes. >> that kind of thing. >> certainly. >> let me ask you, as far as we know, this young man had no record, and we listen to the adults deskrcribe him in where grew up and they all seem to be saying, well, he was nice and polite, and a little quiet, but he was a nice ung man, and then you talk tom is of those who knew him and they say, he was a loner, a little different. but lots of people are loners and a little different and they don't go shoot up movie theaters. how do you know the difference? >> well, again, the studies that have been conducted by dr. fine and brian voskel indicate that there is no profile of the kind of people who commit these things, so you can't tell through characteristics. but what we have learned through the behavioral threat assessment which is a methodology that has been used over a decade now by the secret service and the u.s.

marshall service and the capitol police, that there are certain behaviors that we see marking a path towards violence. around so, if we can discern that there is a particular set of behaviors that we have seen time and time again in past situations like this, we can sometimes intervene and divert that person from the path to violence. >> but there seemed, as far as we know with this case, and you haven't, and obviously have not been in touch with the suspect in any of that, and i think that what the people are ready to accept, that there are random things that you cannot see. and that were sort of left to the winds, and that there is no way to profile this young man. do you think that someone around him might have thought that he seems troubled or can you just out of the blue switch from a quiet nice person. >> one of the behavioral characteristics that we have seen in most of the cases that we have looked at, the exactly

what you said, the people who were close to the individual in their life were worried about them, and were worried about the trajectory of the behavior. >> he doesn't seem to have any friends or that kind of thing. >> and that again goes to the characteristics rather than the behavior. you know, some of the people who carry out these acts, you know, are indeed loners, but some of them have a lot of friends, and in some cases, we have seen in the school shootings, they have talked to friends and engaged other people in their thoughts so there is no one pattern in terms of traits, but in terms of behaviors we want to look at the behaviors, and this is how the federal law enforcement agencies work cases on this. if it comes to their attention, they start to look for this pattern of behavior and then intervene and make sure that this person does not carry out what their intentions are. >> barry spodak, thank you for your expertise this morning. >> thank you. and next, we look at a senate race that tip the balance of power in the senate.

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virginia senate candidates tim kaine and george allen faced off yesterday in a debate sponsored by the virginia bar association. topics ranged from health care to bipartisanship, but with the colorado shoot inings on everyos mind and virginia having experienced its own tragedy at virginia tech, began with guns. >> when i was a member of the general assembly, at mr. jefferson's seat, and it is my amendment that said when anybody is buying a firearm there'll be regardless of the firearm there is an instant criminal records check. i do believe that the criminal records check including mental disorders or mental abuse are indicated in the firearms purchase, but we have to wait to get all tof the facts before we make decisions of what can be done when an aberrant act

occurs. >> governor kaine, you have a minute to respond, but directly to the question, knowing what we know now, are there enough gun laws we could impose that would stop someone from doing this if they have a clean record? >> well, it would be complete hubris to say that we could put a policy in place to keep bad things from happening. bad things are going to happen, and we cannot stop them, but we should learn and fix them and minimize the chances of these things happening. >> the hour-plus debate touched on other subjects important to the election cycle, the economy, and military spending and of course, infused through it all, politics. >> i have noticed governor allen as everybody has that you have run some ads about how governor kaine will be president obama's senator and not virginia's s senator. and i wonder, because it got me thinking about your relationship with governor romney. what major policy differences do you anticipate that you'd be

willing to break with governor romney? >> well, first, let me answer the other aspects of it. yes, we are in two different parties and two different philosophies and the republicans trust free people and free enterprise. i don't like limits or restrictions on people unless they are harming someone else. i like the decisions being made closest to the people if possible. now on mitt romney, there'll be times when i don't agree with my fellow republicans. i didn't agree with them when they had the bridge to nowhere and i was one of the 15 who voted against it. my first priority is not agreements or disagreements with anyone. my first prior tir is the hard-working taxpayers of virginia. >> governor allen, sorry, governor kaine. >> two governors up here. >> yes, i thought it would be easier, but it is turning out not to be that way. the partisanship and breaking with the party line.

>> i think that many in virginia politics remember that he said, my job as governor is to knock their teeth down their whining throats. he called the members dinosaurs and elitists. during this campaign, he continues it. he calls the federal employees sanctimonious social engineers and he has a billboard that says tim kaine's senator and not virginia's. as if i am not a real virginian, because i support the united states united states president. that is yesterday's politics, and we won't solve problems with the smash mouth and considering the other side the opponent rather than the world. >> and we should say that the smash mouthing is not literal. but go ahead [ laughter ] >> thank you. it is an example of where sports analogies are not appropriate, and that was a mistake on my

part for it. the working with the other part, tim, you were able to bring the democrats and republicans together and each and every one of them who sponsored your tax increase voted against it. it was a 97-0 vote. in the u.s. senate, you mentioned hillary, and senator cl clinton at the time, and now secretary of stateb and we actually went together on what is called the shine act. this is screening for infants to make sure that we are screening for maladies or diseases so there is better treatment, and john kerry and i don't agree on many issue, but we did agree on kwi ph wi-fi. and there are other senators who i agree with keeping taxes international, and nano information leader as well as cyber. there are contrasts. that is what we have in

competitive representative democracy, contrasting or competing ideas. >> rnlg george, you may say tha campaigns are not about running other people down, but that is what you do and continue to do it to the day. and you talked about working with hillary clinton. this is what you said about hillary clinton when she was a colleague of yours, she is so contrary to the values and the principles and the ideals. you said e repeatedly, i'd rather be with george bush drinking beer than nibbling cheese and wine with hillary clinton at her mansion. you called john kerry an elite massachusetts liberal who does not embrace the values that we hold dear in virginia. these are people that you serveded with. i would hate to see who you did not serve with. and you are the ones with the billboards and tim kaine, not a virginian in politics. >> and let me turn to you george

allen that you said frequently on the campaign trail, you want to be the last vote -- >> the deciding vote. if you have my quote, get it right. >> and to undo the obama care in any case. and replace it with what? anything in obama care that you think ought to be the day it comes undone be put back in place. >> yes. tim has been the hand-picked chairman of the democratic national committee by president obama, and he's in effect a hand-picked senator and recruited to run for the senate. >> that i am highly offended by that. i am campaigning -- >> well, we don't have time, and you can revise, but i didn't interrupt you. >> i have been campaigning on my own with the support of my family and for you to say that i am hand picked by somebody else rather than by myself is complete lit out of line and just proves the point that i just made. he cannot help himself. he cannot help himself. >> watch it, you guys. >> reclaiming my time with it. tim, you spent the whole

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after yesterday's debate i had the chance to sit down with both candidates at the homestead resort in hot springs, virginia. first my conversation with george allen and began by asking him how to push back from the imagery that kaine is trying to project on him. >> tim is one who though he has taken the most partisan job in america while he was governor as chairman of the democratic national committee and raising money for them and speaking all over the country and while trying to raise taxes on virginians, and so the bottom line comparison is whose ideas work the best. while i was governor over 300,000 net new jobs were created a while tim kaine was trying to raise the taxes as governor and over 100,000 jobs were lost in virginia. >> let me ask you about the split ticket idea here.

that governor kaine can get people determined to vote for romney and pull them away from you, and the idea that someone determined to vote for president obama would vote for you, the reverse does not work. can he siphon off some of the romney voters? >> i don't think so. the romney voters, republican voter, and what we have found so far in all of the polls, and you can look at them yourself are campaign, tim kaine's versus george allen, has been neck and neck throughout. romney right now is generally running behind, but i think that he will catch up in virginia, because he was tied nup a pry -- tied nupup in a primary fight, president obama has been running ads here for six months. people are concerned about the jobs and the economy. >> and that is a question i want to ask you about -- >> i have run into folks who will probably run into president obama, and they like president obama for whatever reasons they like president obama. they also like my ideas, and it

ends up being not so much a political or issue-based approach as i like you and i like what you have done and so forth. so you will get some of that, but for the most part -- >> and people whoo you and will vote for you regardless of the fact that you and the president have nothing much in common. >> we agree that 26-year-olds ought to stay on their family policies because they can't find jobs with this economy. >> right. as you know, senator romney has taken quite a hit first over bain capital, but also over his refusal to release anything other than one year of tax releases. we're going to expect this year's when they get done, he says. do you think that this has become such a distraction to him he ought to just do it so you can move on? >> i'm not going to run mitt romney's campaign. it's all i can do to run our own campaign. >> you can see how it's a distraction. >> i think it's a distraction from what people care about. what are you going to do in the future? what are you going to do to get in economy turned around? >> yes or no purely as a potical analyst, if you were mitt romney, would you release the tax returns?

>> candy, you're not going to get me into being a campaign manager for anybody else -- >> come on -- >> other than myself. >> all right, governor allen, thank you very much. thanks for doing the debate. it was really good to see you. next up, governor kaine. i began by asking him about allen's charge that kaine was handpicked by president obama to run the democratic national committee and now has been handpicked by the president to run for the senate. >> i have had a career of serving people. i was a missionary in honduras, i was a civil rights lawyer for 17 years. i was a city councilman, mayor, lieutenant governor, governor. his suggestion that i'm running for office just because somebody asked me to, i've not lived my life that way. i live my entire life to serve other people. the notion, you're handpicked to run the senate race -- come on. i had to give up a job and salary and health care benefits to run for the u.s. senate. i'm doing it because the nation needs people who know how to find common ground moving forward. i know the experience now of going out and buying health care on the open market. you know, with no employer covering me, which a lot of

americans have to go through. and so the notion that i'm just doing this because somebody encouraged me to -- that one stunned me. and i did get a little bit mad. >> seemed to me you worked pretty hard to define governor allen as a mean-spirited guy. what gives does that make -- i hate to tell you, but as you know, there are a lot of mean-spirited people on capitol hill. big deal if he's got ideas -- why does it matter to a voter what his personality is, as you suggest? >> because what virginians tell me, candy, is again and again before they even talk about issues, we've got to have people who can work together. we can have the best ideas. and i think we've got really good ideas about how to get the economy going. but if the two camps just get in their corners and won't work together, that's why we're having such significant problems. the whole inability to reach any deal on our fiscal responsibility going forward. not because of an absence of ideas. it's because people won't work together. so when my opponent says i'm going to knock democrats' teeth

down their whiny throat, when he name-calls federal employees who live in virginia by the hundreds of thousands, when he suggests that, you know, i'm anti-virginian because i happen to support the president, these are the kind of thing that happen in politics that tear people down. we've got to have folks in politics who build folks up and pull us together. >> this is a dead-even race for the presidency and for this particular senate seat. pretty much people have made up their minds -- you know, the faithful -- >> small, small numbers of undecideds, yeah. >> you're talking this amount of people. what is the game-changer in this race? >> i think that the undecided voters are largely independents. largely people who don't want to put a letter after their name. they look for a candidate where they don't care about a letter, they look for results. being able to work together is going to lead to more results than casually knocking around the other side. >> governor kaine, happy trails. >> candy, thanks for doing this today. >> absolutely. it was fun. it was fun. >> great. >> a special thanks to the virginia bar association for

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a check of the top stories -- this just in to us. the ncaa is holding a press conference tomorrow about penn state university. meanwhile, the statue of the late penn state coach joe paterno is being removed from outside the school's football stadium. in a written statement, school president erickson said the statue has become a source of division and will be moved to a secure location. authority investigating the disappea disappearance of two girls in iowa says there's reason to believe they're still alive. a spokeswoman isn't saying what evidence investigators have to make them think the girls are still alive. she's urging anyone with information to step forward. president obama will visit aurora, colorado, later today. he'll meet with victims of the

movie theater shooting and their families. i'm candy crowley, head to sotu.com for more interviews and analysis. before we leave, jordan ghawi lost his sister in the aurora massacre. hearing the news he reached out via twitter with a request we think answers the question often asked when someone else is hurting so much -- what can i do. remember the names of the victims, jordan wrote, and not the coward who committed this act.