-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm suzanne malveaux and this hour in the "cnn newsroom," the movie theater massacre suspect has just had his first court appearance, and the family is expected to break their silence. and penn state is slapped with a $60 million fine because of their part with the sexual abuse scandal, and their role. and now a first close-up look at the man accused of the mas massacre inside of that colorado movie theater. james holmes made his first court appearance since the shooting rampage that left 12 people dead, and 58 others wounded. holmes had the hair dyed bright

red and orange and you can see he appeared somewhat emotionless and somber as he sat next to his attorney in the courtroom. what we know is for mall charges are going to be filed against holmes monday. the judge assigned a public defender for the case, and sometime today holmes' family is expect t expected to say something and issue a statement. i want to go to casey wian who is in san diego, and you are at the home, i believe, of the suspect's family and that they are going to be talking later today. what have they said so far? >> well, actually, suzanne, where i am is outside of the office of the criminal defense attorney named lisa dam ymiani o is represent iing the holmes' family and she says she will come out in three hours and read a prepared statement from the holmes' family and take some lim limited questions from the news media. she said that she has been in touch with mr. holmes' mother and father, and says that they are doing reasonably well, as

well as could be expected under the circumstances. she would not talk with us about where they are physically located right now. citing concerns about their safety. but to repeat, she is going to come out and read a prepared statement, and the most extensive comments from the family since this shooting happened last week, suzanne. >> and do we have any sense, casey, of what their emotions are? what they are actually experiencing now? have they expressed remorse or get or surprise? >> really all we have is from last friday when the family released through local police officials a statement expressing their condolences to all of those who were impacted by this tragedy. also requesting privacy for the family at this time, but we do not have anything in detail in terms of their emotions and the reaction to this horrific crime

that their son is being, a about to be charged with, suzanne. >> we will keep a close eye on that attorney and the statement that they will make later today. thank you, casey. we have in depth coverage of the court appearance by james holmes and of course, the continuing investigation. i want to bring in two of our correspondents don e lemon and jim spellman who was inside of the courthouse, and i want to start with you, because you were there inside of the courtroom with holmes, and paint a picture of what it like for everybody to take a look at who they believe is responsible for the massacre. >> there is a lot of anticipation, both us in the press who were on one side of the courtroom and courtroom p s personnel and more importantly family members of the victims on the other side. everybody got in there really early and much more early in a court proceeding and when they said "all rise" and opened up the door, we saw a man shuffling

in and the question everybody had was if the hair would be red and we heard the report, but the victims only saw this man with a helmet on and a gas mask, and so seeing that was not unexpected, but it was still shocking to see a man who apparently told law enforcement that he was the joker from the batman movies, and there in fact with red hair. i was mostly struck by sort of how small and meek he seemed shuffling in and scanned the crowd a little bit. once he sat down, he looked ahead with a blank look on his face through the rest of the hearing. >> and the vest. >> he was wearing a vest underneath the scrubs, sort of prison uniform. >> how did the people inside of the courtroom respond, and who was there? were there family members of the victims or was holmes' family somewhere in that courtroom as well? >> i'm not sure if holmes' family was there. from my vantage point i could not tell one way or another, but family members of the victims for sure. nobody said a word.

no gasps and nobody spoke out and we never heard holmes' voice through the whole thing. it was quiet and everybody maintained the proper decor rum in a courtroom, and the families' eyes did not leave holmes and they stared at him the entire time regardless of what was going on in the hearing, itself. >> and everybody thought he might act out, and that is one reason that tamara brady sat right next to him, the public defender, one of the public defenders to sort of keep him in check, and to make sure he had some support in the courtroom. >> and the other main public defender assigned to him dan king handled all of the interactions with the court while tamara brady sat next to him the entire time. >> and don, i understand that you have information on a couple of fronts, but first of all, describe for us what he was like when heas in custody, his behavior in custody away from the cameras. >> well, when he was in custody, we are told that in the jail, he

was acting erratically, that is his eyes were sort of rolling around, and these are from the published reports and also from the inmates who had been released from the detention center right here where we are standing and he was spitting at people, and spitting at the police officers and through his jail cell. they had to keep him in solitary confinement in there, and also, too, that he was under suicide watch in this detention center and will be. he, again, placed in protective custody, and obviously, in solitary confinement, because they are afraid that he might harm himself, but again, you saw his behavior, suzanne in the courtroom, and it was very odd. also, they are concerned in the detention center that the other inmates, the other prisoners might try to harm him, and that is why they kept him away from them, because they are upset that he, at what he did and killed and harmed so many people. >> and i understand, too, there are still people who are going to be hospitalized from the shooting, and one of the affiliates is talking about reports of a suspicious package at one of the hospitals. do we have any information about that? >> we have, and we have heard

about it and sort of want to back off of it, because we are initially hearing that it was a sus pish shouse package and they would evacuate one of the buildings that john holmes worked in at that center, because he was a student there. we are not sure, but they said they were going to do it as a precautio precaution. >> you can be sure that everybody is on edge after an incident like that, and they will double-check everything that pops up. >> suzanne, when we talked about the behavior and i spoke to jessica ghawi and you know about jessica ghawi, and the aspiring journalist and i spoke to her brother and he is going to talk to me, and hopefully in enough time that you and i can talk to him, and jordan ghawi and he said he was upset and he could not come today. he said he watched it, but he said, don, i'm so upset. he is putting on. he is a smart guy, and he knows that if he is declared mentally incompetent chances are he won't face the death penalty, and hopefully he will come over in our hours and we can both talk

to him. >> thanks. we are going to have to leave it there out of the darkness, brighter day is going to come, and those were the words from president obama during his visit to aurora, colorado, that happened yesterday. the president met with many of the shooting survivors as well as the relatives of those who had died, and he said the focus is trying to remember and honor their lives. >> it was an opportunity for families to describe how wonderful their brother or their son or daughter was. and the lives that they had touched, and the dreams that they held for the future. >> the president says that the stories of bravery, courage, following the shootings represent what is the best in all of us. the 12 people who died in that movie massacre, of course, you know, they were friends, son, daughters, and these are just folks who went to the theater just to, you know, take in a movie and have a good time. the youngest person was 6 years

old, and the oldest, 51. most of them in their 20s, and they leave behind these families who are devastated, and they are simply searching for answers. i want to bring in poppy harlow who joins us from aurora, and talk a little bit about the vigil that you attended last night that these folks are trying to heal. it is the beginning of the process here. the grief and the shock and what is to come next. how are they actually dealing with this, poppy? >> i think that, suzanne, for everyone it is different. at the vigil last night, that was sort of the first bit of hope that i have seen here reporting here on the ground since friday. thousands of people coming together, and many of them friends and obviously we saw many of the family members on stage at that vigil and some very, very emotional and people who didn't know in any of the victims or weren't associated with this in any way other than their home and where they are from, aurora and broader colorado. so that is really, really touching toe many, the mayor of

aurora saying, look, we are going to come out of this and reclaim our city, and he said that with goodness, kindness and compassion. the governor of colorado john hickenlooper reading off the names of the 12 who were killed and the people at the vigil respond i responding and saying we will remember. we are not out of the woods at all. this is what i was also reminded of last night because you have 17 victims shot in the hospital at this hour and eight of them in the critical condition, and so we are not out of the woods at all, and what did stand out to me is the sense of hope and willingness to forgive. i talked to a lot of people at the vigil last night who were confused why this could happen and why this would happen, and at the same time for the community to move on and them to move on personally, they have to begin to forgive. they won't forget, but most of the people i talked to said we can find it in our hearts to

forgive, and that is something that stuck with me days a of the tragedy. >> do we know if anybody when they talk about when their loved ones, do they bring up the whole theme of good versus evil and the batman theme? we heard from a couple of people i talked to last week after this had unfolded, and they were trying to make sense of all of this and what had actually taken place in that theater. if it meant something to people who went there. >> the families i have spoken with and the friends of those who have died in those who have been seriously injured have not talked to me about the sense of good versus evil. they all agree this is pure evil, but what they have talked to me about is sort of coming to grips with what happened, how it happened and why. and some of them having a sense of responsibility, you know, whether it is some men in the air force convincing their friend to come with them to the movie that night, and they feel

a little responsible, which they are not, but it is something that stood out to me, suzanne. >> well, poppy, thank you very much and thank you for talking to the folks, and we certainly wish them the best that can be at this time, at this very, very difficult time for their families and their friends and the community at large. we will have more after the break. s. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... is concentrated, so you could use less gel. and with androgel 1.62%, you can save on your monthly prescription. [ male announcer ] dosing and application sites between these products differ. women and children should avoid contact with application sites. discontinue androgel and call your doctor if you see unexpected signs of early puberty in a child, or, signs in a woman which may include changes in body hair or a large increase in acne, possibly due to accidental exposure.

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well, it happened over the weekend a penn state statue of the late football coach joe paterno was taken down. that is right. the university's president called it a perpetual wound to victims of child abuse. and they held that paterno and other school officials were accountable for failing to stop child sex abuse by former football coach jerry sandusky, and the pa tterno family releas a statement of their own saying that tearing down the statue of joe paterno does not serve the victims of jerry sandusky's horrible crimes or even help the penn state community. we believe that the only way to help the victims is to uncover the full truth. and today the ncaa announced major penalties for penn state over the scandal. take a look at this. we are talking about $60 million

fine, four-year ban from bowl gam game, and that is where the schools make their big bucks, and all of the paterno wins since 1998, they are gone. taken off of the books which means he is not the winningest college football coach anymore. i want to bring in mark mckay of indianapolis where the announcement was made. mark, take a look first of all and listening to the ncaa president mark emmert in what he said today. >> this is just an unprecedented, painful chapter in the history of intercollegiate athletics. >> mark, they didn't give penn state what they called the so-called death penalty banning the school for playing from the season, and this is significant and historic even, this punishment, and what is the impact? >> well, the impact is huge, suzanne, and in fact, it is worth neauoting that the death l penalty was on the table for penn state, but the ncaa president also telling us here

in indianapolis, that these sanctions on penn state university needed to reflect what he called a culture change. he also wanted to have the sanctions not the bring harm to those not involved in the case, but as you said, as you ran through the penalties imposed on penn state, it is impressive. it is impressive and unprecedented for sure. let's talk about that $60 million payment that was paid out over five years and $12 million a year will go in fact to an endowment fund set up for victims of child sexual abuse. the meaning there to put the money to good use if it can be at all according to the ncaa president. he said that though they could have all of the wins from 2008 to 2011 and 1998 being the first year that sexual abuse was uncovered, and so they have been b banned from bowl games for four years and so used to going to the post-season, suzanne, and the scholarship reduction. the ncaa sending a message for sure in this sanctions and also saying that the presidents and

the university presidents and the chancellors are in charge, suzanne, and not necessarily the athletic directors and the football coaches. >> all right. so what is the response? what is the reaction for the people on the campus who say, you know, what we weren't a part of this, and yet, we are being punished. >> well, that's one of the main points of the ncaa president here in indianapolis today that perhaps there needs to be a total cleansing of college football athletics as a whole that priorities especially at penn state university were obviously out of place. if these sanctions can send a message to any university to do a gut check and, in fact, that is what the ncaa said that maybe there needs to be a gut check that all of the universities have to put their priorities back in place after a very, very sad incident at penn state. >> all right. thank you, mark. 20,000 doctors, activists and lawmakers are gathering in the nation's capital with one goal this mind, finding a cure for aids. we will tell you how. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of.

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saharan africa and can you explain why it is so prevalent and why it is so worse? >> well, hello, and how are you today. well, the epidemic is generalized and not like it is in sub saharan africa and countries like that, but within the concentrated community, we have certain populations in increased risk and that disparity in cities and race and ethnicity, a lot of it are things that need to be understood to stop the epidemic, and one of the major glaring ep dick sex with other men. >> can you give us a sense of why your science finds that they have a risk of 50% higher than white counter parts? >> well, a couple of things. the first thing is that it is

not that they have more sexual partners. an important issue is that they have higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases, but other issues playing a major role and those are poverty, unemployment, racism, homophobia and again, we have to remember a lot of the determine nanlt ants are risks disease tor socio-risks of the disease, and so that is important in addressing the epidemic, and we learned from other studies presented at the meeting less in care, and less sms who are benefiting from the antiviral therapy p and so across the cascade of prevention, care is important. >> and doctor, if you are a memb memberf tho community, how do you protect yourself? >> well, number one, everybody has to talk about it. it is very important that this is discussed at the community level and needs to be discussed

with our peers and friends and with our relatives. i think that there needs to be a commu community mobilization, and also a community action and there needs to be a really an understanding that this is a real issue in our community, and that there needs to be ownership of the problem. there is happening that the black aids community is really taking a big lead on this. and at the same time we need leadership from the administration, from congress, and in putting the resources necessary to address the epidemic of black victims. >> and you are at the aids conference in washington, d.c. and they are releasing results and studies that say from the education fund that there is a possibility of ending aids and finding a cure. how close are we to that real y reality? >> i think that finding a cure, we are very far away, but what we know nowadays is that we have the tools to really stop the epidemic, and what is missing right now is scaling up the

tools. we need to really scale up the things that we know, education, testing, and scale up the entry into care and scale up the condom distribution and access to the antiviral therapy and if we do that we can make a major impact of that epidemic not only domestically, but globally. >> thank you, doctor, and we appreciate the optimism on that front. appreciate it. the man accused of the shooting rampage at a colorado movie theater, well, he made his first court appearance today. james holmes is accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 others. you can see he sat there motionless in the hearing and his hair was dyed bright red and orange. after the hearing, holmes was led back to jail where he is now being held in isolation. well, in the four months before this suspect james holmes allegedly sprayed bullets into this crowded movie theater in aurora, colorado, he had been

busy stockpiling weapons. i want you to take a look at what he purchased here. allege cly purchased. an ar-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and 6,000 rounds of ammunition and array of riot gear including tear gas and bulletproof vest. a lot of it was bought with a click of a mouse. the arsenal of weaponry was delivered straight to his apartment door. with us former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, and tom, p put it in perspective for us, because to me, it sounds like an awful lot of weapons here, and do we know even if there were background checks that were required to get this stuff online? >> well, hi, suzanne, and the aming thing is that, yes, he bought 6,000 rounds of ammunition on the internet and the individuals who run these internet sites or gun shops said that it does not raise their eyebrows, and it is no big deal of them somebody buying thousands of rounds, and that

telling you not only his situation of buying thousands of rounds, but how many people are buying that stuff in that quantity around the country that it does not raise eyebrows on their part. and concerns over the ammunition and the tactical gear does not require the background check that the purchase of firearms requires and in his case, his only prior violation with the law was a traffic ticket. so, there's no amount of background checks that would have prevented him from lawfully buying these weapons. >> and we also see, and we have heard from the owner of a gun range who said he was suspicious of james holmes because he heard this freakish kind of voice mail, or voice message on the machine, and there was no vetting involved here. how do you prevent something like that? >> well, you don't. you are relying on someone owning a gunshop to take a little bit of extra due diligence in selling a weapon the somebody. in this case, what raised his concern was when he came to the gun shop, and normally buying guns, you would go fiphysicallyo

the gunshop, and you would fill out forms and the forms for the background investigation, and then there's normally a two-day delay before you can pick up the weapon, so trying to reduce the number of crimes of passion that somebody might do in the heat of anger, but in situation, it raised a concern with him that he tried to call this individual, and then he heard the bizarre messages on his answering machine, and then told the other employees in that gunshop, do not sell something to him, and notify me if you hear from him at all. so, how many others are going to do that? and just because somebody acts a little bit weird or naughty does not necessarily mean that somebody is going to not sell them something that they can lawfully buy. >> h i want i want to take it be internet, because there was some action in 1999, a bill presented to congress to regulate the sales of ammunition over the e internet and it was never adopted. do you believe this is a

loophole that is a dangerous one? >> that is one, and also in 1994, you had the ban passed against the assault rifles against 19 different military type assault rifles and this ar-15 being one of the types, and that ban also included large scale magazines that would hold additional rounds than the standard 30 or 50-round magazines commonly called clips, that you would use in this case. now, that law was allowed the expire in 2004, so, once again, individuals can buy all of these type of ak-47, m-16-type weapons and the extended bullet holders and the magazines, themselves. in this case, he used a drum magazine that holds 100 rounds. the fortunate thing about that is that as a former s.w.a.t. team member and commander, i can tell you that the law enforcement and the military do not use those drum, because they are so unreliable and jam so

easily. so, so in the case of the law enforcement authorities they will use the straight plug-in magazine that you pop up to the gun, and not the drunl he drums 1920s gangster movies tor t or tommy guns or like you see in the batman movies, but they are not reliable and anybody knowledgeable would not use one. >> in is going to fuel the gun debate, and appreciate your perspective, tom. jury selection is now under way for the former police sergeant accused of killing his third wife a snd a suspect in t disappearance of his fourth wife. we will have an update on the drew peterson trial. of is that . bars. ah, that's better. it's a beautiful view.

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and you could pay as little as ten dollars a month for androgel 1.62%. what are you waiting for? this is big news. we have been focused today on the court appearance of colorado theater massacre suspect james holmes who is the 24-year-old who made his first court appearance since this shooting rampage that left 12 people dead, 58 others wounded. there is another legal case that is developing to dday that we a following and that is of the former chicago area police officer drew peterson. you may recall that he is accused of killing his third wife and he is now the leading suspect in the disappearance of his fourth wife. well, the jury selection gets started today and we will be joined by sunny hostin, our legal contributor from new york, and it seems like it is unusual how this is starting out. can you explain? >> well, it is. we are talking about three years

of pretrial wrangling over a lot of the evidence in this case. i think that what has been so fascinating is that a jury was initially, a jury pool was initi initially chosen and for two years, suzanne, they have been waiting around. being told not to engage on the inteet with anything that has to do with drew peterson and not the watch the movie, and you know, not the watch any news reports, and those same jurors, potential jurors are now going to be chosen, 12 people will be chosen to decide his fate. so that in and of itself is really fascinating about this case. i don't think it has heifer bev done, and what is also interesting about this case is that it is really going to come down to hearsay statements. admissible hearsay statements from the two women. one is stacy peterson, his fourth wife who is missing and also kathleen savio, his wife

who he is accused of killing, and this is unprecedented that you have ra cahave a case that built on the hearsay statements built on two wives. >> and where are they getting the statements from? are these statements that are video statements or through journals or where are they coming from? >> oh, my goodness, they are coming from just about everywhere, and there are 14 of them, of note that we have sort of been looking at, suzanne, and one in particular that struck me h -- as interesting the missing fourth wife stacy peterson who was 30 years younger than drew peterson who he was having an affair with when he was married to the third wife, well, she's met with her pastor, and told her pastor that drew peterson admitted to killing his third wife. and she also discussed the night of that killing and how she woke up and drew peterson was missing

from the home and left dressed all in black with a bag of women's clothe org returned with a bag of women's clothing that did not belong to her. so certainly, you know, there are a lot of statements that were made to other people about drew peterson that may be coming in, and we don't know which ones yet are coming in. >> we will be following that case. that is unbelievable. thank you, sunny. appreciate it. >> thank you. and mark samuelson is a celebrity chef and loves food and puts the money where the heart is. we will tell you about his inspirations to business, and how he is giving back to the community. hey, everyone, here on the help desk today, we are talking about the student loans and important issue especially right now, and we have donna rosato and greg olson with us to bak it down. donna, listen to the question we got. >> why isn't the government doing more to give more student loans out to make it easier for students? >> do you have kids going to college? >> i have one in and one going into college next year.

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one of the victims of the massacre in colorado, the theater, is jessica ghawi, and she was an aspiring sportscaster and joining us now is don lemon who is with her brother, jordan

ghawi, and don, if you could, if you could ask him about his sister and why he is there today at the court appearance of the suspect and what he is going through and what his sister was like. >> yeah, well, suzanne, he came up and called me afterwards and said he didn't want the go. he intentionally did not go to the hearing today, because you say -- >> there is no reason to. this guy has had his ten minutes of fame, and i don't need to see the face of the man who has taken my sister's life. >> you said you were so angry about this you told me over the phone that you might do something stupid. >> yes, that is the other reason. i was afraid that i may try to get my hands on that man. >> yes, and you believe that his behavior in court, you believe it is a put-on. >> i do. this guy is nothing -- he h is a coward and a genius. he knows what he is doing. he is playing the system. i don't believe for a second he is sitting there with the wide eyes and pretending to be

incoherent, he knows what he is doing. >> we want the say, too, suzanne, that jessica ghawi is going to be cremated here. >> yes. >> and you said it is hard to talk about your sister -- >> in the past tense. >> and you will fly her, and her remains back to texas wednesday. >> yes, that is correct. >> when is the memorial service? >> 10:00 a.m. saturday in san antonio. >> how is your mom? >> she has friends and families to come to see her and share stories to celebrate my sister's life, and as long as she is talking about my sister, she is still there. >> and your dad? >> he is devastated, but staying strong. >> suzanne, any questions for him? suzanne, wanted to have you talk about your sister and the kind of person that she was, and i know you have been talking a lot about that, but, you know, you have had time to reflect in the past couple of days. >> right. some of it has changed. she is still the most amazing person that i will have in my life, but she wanted to be on the media, and she wanted to be doing these reports and she is, just not in the way she would

have liked it. so it is, it is really hard. >> suzanne. do you have a question? >> we offer our condolences, obviously, and she was one of the first people that we learned of on friday. there was a facebook page and a lot of friends who came forward to talk about your sister. she sounds like she was a very special person. can you tell us a little bit about her. ? yes, talk more about your sister, because she is saying that she is one of the first person who was named after this came out, and you came out very vocal on your facebook page and her facebook page as well, and tell us about that. >> we were able to get word fairly quickly that it appeared that she had sustained the fatal injuries so we were able to get the word out and get her story told so that the hostage taker, and that is exactly what he is, and you kill a few people in a hostage situation, that ends the conversation, and this guy has killed 12 and the conversation is still about him, so we are

trying to steer that national attention to her and the other families rather than focusing on the coward. so it has just been that, using the national media to get her story out and the other victims. >> has this helped to see him in shackles or anything? >> no, it didn't help anybody. we knew he was in jail and it is more detrimental to see his face and especially the file photo of him with that smirk on it. and knowing that this man is responsible for the loss of my sister. >> thank you very much. thanyou, jordan. best of luck to your family, and we will continue to speak with you and check up on you again. that service is held on wednesday, suzanne, and i have to tell you that i did speak with some of the victims who were in the courtroom just a short time ago. they said after the main proceeding, they were taken to another room and they were able to go to another room, suzanne, and watch it over again so they could be more emotional, and they could not be as emotional as they wanted to be when it was happening, but they were taken

into another room where it happened and be more emotional and talk to each other and comfort each other. >> well, we wish them the very best. thank you, don. we appreciate e. we will take a quick break.

he loves food. he's a celebrity chief that appeared on top chef masters. he donated his winnings to help people in need. he has a new book out. he describes how culture influences his work. he was orphaned after his mom died. then adopted and raised by swedish parents. he joining us now. good to see you marcus. i like chopped. i watch chopped. >> fun show. it's so inclusive. people all over the country and they say we just did chopped last night. families are doing the mystery baskets. it's a lot of fun. >> create a little competition within the family. >> one of your passages in the

book, you say your love for food didn't come from your mom because she made pastas that prisoners wouldn't touch. >> i love my mther but the true cook was our grandmother helga. there's helga's meat balls. everything that i know about cooking comes from my grandmother. >> what is your favorite dish? i love meat balls. i grew up in sweden. just making them again really reminds me of cooking with my sisters and my grandmother. have you been there? >> i have not. >> have you been to ethiopia? >> i have. >> any mother walked 75 miles to get us to the hospital. she passed away and that's how i

got adopted to sweden. i talk about how to overcome major stuff. >> it really is amazing because it's the american dream. it starts in tragic circumstances. now you're one of the top chefs of the country. tell us a bit about your restaurant in harlem and how you have managed to bring people from the community and give them opportunities there as well. >> we always inspired by sylvia's words. i wanted to have a restaurant in the center of harlem that combines and unifies the city. new yorkers would come up and look at harlem as a normal inspirational neighborhood. it's a big deal. it's with a lot of pride that i work and live in the neighborhood that i love so much

in harlem. it's a game changing community. we're grateful for that. >> one of the things that you've done while you worked with the white house. >> so did you. >> i didn't cook for them. you managed to cook. what did they look? >> cooking the first state member for the prime minister from india. he was a vegetarian. i was lucky enough to get the president up to the red rooster to eat at the restaurant. that was fun. all of harlem came out. >> what did he order? >> he likes simple things. he loves the corn bread. humble beginning. he likes basic things. >> he used to eat that on the campaign all the time. you have a dream. you have a passion. clearly it took a lot of work to get where you are. what would you advise folks? >> america is the greatest

country. i'm super patriotic. who knew that somebody born in a clay hut in africa can live his dream and live here in america. it says a lot about how open-minded an kind we are as a country. i think it's important to think about that when you have bad times and political things. it's also important to remember it's still people wanting to come to america every day. i'm a prodigy of that. i have a lot of mentors. dream big. dream big and hold onto your dreams because it can happen. it's possible. i'm proof of that. >> you are proof of that. one thing that we are tackling and dealing with the challenge in this country is obesity. how do you, you're fit and trim. some chefs are eating their food all the time and you have communities that are obese. how do you conquer that? how do you make people change their behavior? >> eating with a spiritual

compass. that doesn't just go for the inner cities in the country. opening a restaurant like red rooster is there to challenge the bridges. in rich communities you have junk too but you have the farmers market and better options. get healthier food. getting farmers market in communities such as harlem matters. >> absolutely. >> next time you have to bring me some food. >> i will. >> if we have you back on, i want a taste. >> i promise you. >> thanks marcus. "cnn newsroom" is continuing now with brooke baldwin. restore strength activs for up to 90% less breakage in three washes. for strong, healthy hair with life, new aveeno nourish+ strengthen.

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we're keeping our eye on the dow. it's been deep in the red all day. it's a little better than last time we checked. two hours away from the end of the trading day. that dropped over fears that spain may need a government bailout. we're watching those numbers for you on wall street. first, i want to begin with you with this image you. you saw james holmes in the flesh. we are laying eyes on him for first time after the massacre he's accused of committing at the movie theater in aurora, colorado friday morning. he sat quietly. his hair dyed flame red. almost looking dazed. holmes wasn't arranigned. he wasn't charged. the come sitting next to him is his public defender. during this entire process he never spoke a word but he didn't

just sit there blaly either. look at these photos. his face really cycled through a number of cryptic expressions during his short appearance. after just a few minutes he was taken back to solitary confinement without bond. you know the story. this man is accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 others at the midnight showing of the dark knight rises last friday. eight victims remain in critical condition. police caught him outside wearing a gas mask and a body armor from head to toe. the district attorney here in this case is not ruling out the death penalty in colorado but she warns this is still very much so an active investigation. take a listen. >> it's a slam dunk case. it's a case where we will, we're still looking at the enormous amount of evidence. we would never presume it would be slam dunk. we would work very hard on this case to prosecute it just like we would any other case.

>> i want to go to don lemon. he's been covering this since it broke on friday. he's outside the courthouse. don, i took a good long look at him. i know our viewers did. he almost looked like he was falling asleep. his head dropping. his eyes closing. i don't know if he was oa sedative or what. you've talked to people in that courtroom, how did they describe him? >> reporter: i saw the same thing that you did. they described his demeanor as a lot unusual. they said he was staring off as you saw. we saw what he looked like not just inside the courtroom. according to inmates who have been released from the detention center, they say in custody he is acting strangely. police say he is uncooperative. the unmates say he is spitting at guards and spitting through the door. they are keeping him in solitary confinement because they are afraid that the other inmates will harm him because they will

want retribution. he's acting odd. just a caution. some of the family members believe that's a put on because he's trying to get the death penalty off the table because if he is mentally incompetent then the death penalty may be off the table. they believe he's acting. we don't know. >> that's interesting that you're saying from within jail you're hearing accounts that in jail he's acting oddly. he's back in solitary confinement now. if we look at him with his prison garb on, looks like he has a vest on. >> reporter: he does. >> wasn't he taken through a tunnel. they have to be careful with him, do they not? >> reporter: it is a bullet proof vest. jim spellman was in. you can see he's wearing the suit under that. you see the black part and that's the top of that bullet proof vest. they are being careful about it.

i don't think it's unusual that they would take someone from the detention center to the courtroom in the tunnel. it's there. that means that they use it from time to time. i'm not sure how often they use it but there's security. we had to go through several security checks. police are standing outside the courthouse and the detention center. police are telling people where to go and they can or cannot go in. >> we're looking at images of him closing his eyes and bobbing his head up and down. he did not have a family member inside this courtroom in aurora today. instead we understand they'll be making a statement via the family attorney in san diego 4:00 eastern time, yes? >> reporter: that's what we're hearing. no one officially from the family inside of the courtroom but we don't know. we're thinking not because the family has chosen to do this press conference or have a representative speak for them.

we're not sure what's going on. we're not sure if someone was in the courtroom but wie know the family was going to speak. >> what about some victims families in the courtroom. have you talked to any of them? >> reporter: yes. i have. i have spoken to victims themselves who were in the courtroom and also the brother of jessica ghawi who was just here. he's right over to my left here. he said he didn't come on purpose because he's so angry about this. he's the with one that said he thinks he's putting on. a woman has a bullet fragment stuck in her chin. they were told to try not to be emotional in the courtroom.

try not to be. it wasn't guaranteed afterwards they took them into another room so they could watch the proceedings over again on videotape and be more emotional and support each other. >> gosh trying not to be emotional. that would be easier said than done. thank you so much. i want to bring in randy. she's in the movie theater with this awful massacre happened friday morning. i want to talk to you about how this danger. it didn't end when police caught him without a fight in the theater parking lot last friday morning. he left behind this house of horrors. booby-trap after booby-trap. how did they get? >> reporter: the apartment is about four mimes from here. on friday ta they tried to send a robot which they did do. it wasn't safe for the investigators to get inside. they broke the windows of the

third floor apartment so they could see what they were dealing with. on saturday morning you had the atf and bomb experts. even chemists came. they tried to devise a plan. they sent the robot back in and it was able to spray water on the control box in the kitchen. it was wired to all kinds of things. according to police it was wired to about 30 homemade ieds. there was a homemade version that would have made an explosion of fire bigger if it did happen. the ieds had fire cracker shells attached to them. there were cans of gasoline and black powder. it was because of the row bots that were able to go in and take pictures and do the work of the humans that couldn't go inside. >> i know there was a young woman who is thanking her lucky stars. she's the one he left this loud

techno music blaring and noticed the door was unlocked and decided to not go in. >> reporter: he left this music to go off. she lived below him. wanted to complain to him. she went to his door and almost opened the door. she could have exploded the whole building. listen to what she said. >> i went upstairs and knocked on the door quite a few times and realize it was unlocked. i thought about peering my head in there and yelling to say turn it down. i just decided not to do that. i had a trepidation and a little voice told me let the cops handle it. >> reporter: that little voice saved her life and probably a whole lot of other lives. if you listen to the police chief he was talking very emotionally about how this was designed to kill. the trip wire was designed to kill.

he thought it was designed to kill a police officer because likely that would have been first responder. this guy had the place rigged. >> they say listen to the voice inside of you. thank goodness she did. you mention the ieds. what did police do with these bombs? >> reporter: it was a tricky situation because they had to deal with trying to preserve some of it as evidence and trying to get rid of it safely. they took a lot of it and we had some really amazing pictures. they took it outside the city limits and blew it up. they detonated a lot of it and what they were able to preserve they sent it to the fbi lab. one thing to mention, besides all that evidence and the explosionives and the ammunition they were able to get, they took his computer. they may be able to find a motive and took a batman poster and a batman mask that they found inside his apartment.

>> thank you so much. do not forget to watch randy's reporter tonight. they're going to be live from colorado 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. we're going to speak live with dave. he's the man who spent years, ten years researching teenage killers in the columbine massacre. he was there the day the story broke. he is telling everyone do not jump to conclusions about the suspect in this case. we're going to ask him what rushes to judgment he's seeing here. more news unfolding now. take a look a this. they're calling it wake up call. penn state is not too big to fail. the ncaa just dropped the hammer. the question is, is the hit hard enough? a new study shows the same bad behavior involved in home loans reached college loans and now many students are in trouble. as fears grow over syria's

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talk about breathtaking speed. early yesterday morning penn state university removed the joe paterno statue from outside the football stadium. it was hauled away. it's being stored at an undisclosed location. ncaa sanctions stemming from the jerry sandusky child sex scandal that paterno concealed. penn state is being fined $60 million with all the money going toward child abuse detection and prevention. penn state is having to vacate 111 wins from 1998 on waward. '98 is when the abuse began.

the school has to forfeit scholarships. this was the coach and this was the school that ran the model football program or so a lot of us thought it was a model program. joining me live from san francisco, former penn state mattha hawn. what's your reaction to what we've seen? the statue is gone. is this the end of penn state football as we know it? >> it's been a lot to take in. i think it's going to be hurting for a while. there needs to be focus put on the victims and on their healing process and then the university needs to be into its healing process. i think football will take its rightful place. i think football will be back but there's some things that are bigger priorities than that.

>> we have a statement from the paterno family. they say these sanctions defame the legacy and contributions a and late coach without any input from our family and those who knew him best. he was your coach. what's your reaction? >> for me personally, my relationship with coach pa they are paterno was excellent. he always told me the truth. that being said, i don't know what went on behind closed doors. i don't know how much information he did or not know. it's hard to comment on that. i can only talk about my personal experience with him. i can understand how the family would be upset about the sanctions that have come down and kind of wiping out a lot of his life's work. >> they talk about defaming the legacy. he was the winniest coach in

college football. how do you feel today about that? are you sad, mad, do you understand it? >> it's a mixture of emotions. i'm definitely sad. i don't know where i stand right now as far as if the statue should be there. if it should be there or should not be there. i think the people that were affected by jerry sandusky's action, i feel like they should have say in how do they feel about the statue. should they leave it up? does it hurt them that it's down? what brings back the memories for them? i think whatever they say should be taken into account. >> let me throw you at this. put yourself in the current team's shoes now. the fact that they announced, in announcing the sanctions they are allowing penn state players to transfer to other schools. you don't get to play for a year. now they are saying you can play that first year.

is the ncaa doing the right thing by the players who through no fault of their own have seen their careers threatened? >> yeah, absolutely. these guys they have to do what's best for them. some have dreamed up playing penn state football. some will try to bring the school back and the football program back. there's other guys that have a lot riding on this where this could be something that affects them way down the line as far as guys that are eligible to get drafted and could have a career in the nfl. i think the ncaa is doing the right thing by releasing them. >> final question. had this been your year, would you have left? >> oh, gosh. i don't know. i don't really know. it's hard to say. i think with the relationships that i formed with my teammates, the bond with the guys that are there, i think i would have

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president obama and mitt romney are returning to the campaign trail. the tone and mood of the events will be different in the wake of deadly colorado theater shooting from friday. at the top of the agenda, foreign affairs. >> as your commander in chief and on behalf of a grateful nation, i'm proud to finally say these two words, and i know your families agree, welcome home. [ applause ]

>> welcome home. welcome home. >> this is web video that president obama's campaign released today reminding americans of his efforts to bring the troops home. he's touting his achievements in iraq just hours before his annual veterans of foreign wars convention. he'll be speaking in a little over an hour. this video comes the same day that 82 people were killed in attacks across iraq marking this as one of the deadliest days since 2006. dana bash joins me now from washington. i want to focus on rmitt romney with you. he's headed abroad. where about? >> reporter: he's going to take an interesting trip. you mentioned that foreign policy does seem to be on the front page of the presidential campaigns and hasn't been understandably given how the

economy has and the focus of the candidates because that what americans tell pollsters they care most about. he's going to go to england, poland and israel. those are stops that are not without importance for several reasons. let's start with england. england happens to be the place where the olympics are going to be. you remember that mitt romney ran the salt lake city olympics back in 2002. this is way for him to remind people that he did that. this is something that people in this country are proud of, the olympics no matter who is running it. it's a good thing to remind people of and he's going to go, fast forward to israel. this is something that is pretty cleaver because it's not a secret that the jewish community has been unsure about president obama. they have critical votes in

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the 14 killed were in honduras, mexico. the truck seats six at maximum. one trooper said he's never seen that many people crammed into one single vehicle. in this exclusive interview with cnn, the president of israel says iran is in open war with his nation. he points out last week's attack in which a suicide bomber killed five tourists on that bus. he says israel has the evidence to link the blast to iran. he spoke with cnn today. >> in this specific attack, is there hard intelligence that sa that iran was involved? >> i would say yes. enough information to accuse them. >> do you believe that more

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for so many, the horror in aurora, colorado invokes memories of columbine, the 1999 massacre at the high school just 20 miles away from the movie

thee theater. the details are coming out. police say he's not cooperating. it could be month, it could be years before motives are known in this case. i want to welcome journalist and author dave collin back to the show. he wrote columbine. dave, welcome back. >> thanks. >> you wrote this thoughtful op-ed yesterday. you called it don't jump to conclusions about the killer. what jumps have you already seen in the last three days? >> you know, for the most part the media has been pretty good this time. i think we learned our lessons from columbine. there's some creeping in. i saw this morning of people to read a lot into whatever you want to call the body language in court. that's totally understandable.

obviously, we're going to learn things over time. seeing him we all make judgments. that's reasonable to see if he was lethargic. his behavior was strange. the problem is only when people take the strange and trying to pinpoint what was going on in his head to drive that strangeness. it could be all sorts of things. it could be something as simple, people asked if he had medications. it could be stressed. maybe he hasn't slept in two or three days. >> we don't know and that's the point. >> we have no idea. when we start making assessments, that's when we get in trouble. >> you wrote over the next several days you'll be hit with all sorts of evidence suggesting one fragment or the other. don't believe one detail. the killer is rarely who he seems. you say that's the kind of mistakes, including yourself made in 199 with columbine.

>> exactly. we try to put it together in a whole. think about your whole life. say we interviewed eight or ten different people in your life. your mom, aunt, people from school. and even people who do know. they see you in different capacities and different moods. some people like you more than others. we all have our flaws. some people you irritate. i'm sure i irritate some people. those people will have a certain opinion. that's going to be different. police, like in columbine interviewed more than 2,000 people. i'm sure they will do that here too. they interviewed everyone in the school. once they send out huge teams and interview imaginable, they can get a pretty clear of the full picture of your life. when we're getting little pieces. this guy or that woman that met him at different times. that's little bits. it's not enough to go on.

if we interviewed one of your neighbors, who knows what they'll say about you. >> you never know and that's precisely your point. you write in your piece, you remind us that eric harris was the sold blooded psychopath. i had forgotten this. he had big fluffy hearts. his biggest enemy was himself. he wasn't bullied. >> i don't know if that one is coming through. there's ten pages of these in his journal. the phrase i love you stencilled across them. love was the most common theme in his entire journal. that wasn't the only thing. there's lots and lots of anger in there. he's at war with himself.

he's very conflicted. that's the point. as a complex person with a lot of different emotions, he was kind of really sweet loving kid. he mentioned suicide on the very first page two years before it happened. he was dealing with a lot of pain. he had incredibly low self-esteem and was looking for love. he got involved with a psychopath who drew him into his plan. they are the exceptions. they are quite rare. it turns out to be deeply depressed people. >> you can understand to a degree why so many people do, they want the answer to the question why. there's so much talk of a motive. why did james holmes allegedly do these horrendous things? you talk about how police through the investigation need to keep it close to the vest and be transparent for everyone

else. once they are transparent and we doe have a sense of a motive, is there anything really satisfying once we know the why? >> there really is. i've talked to a lot of the families of the killers, excuse me, victims who said they got great relief. i don't know how to say this without, i'm not trying to make it sound self-serving but several people have written, family members of the victims have written me to tell me they read the book and they understand why this happened and they understood why their dad or brother or child, why they were killed. it's very, very frustrating to go ten years wondering. it's terrible to lose your child or your husband. then to wonder like and not even get it and for it so seem perplexing that's really difficult. it really helps the families to have an answer. >> dave cullen wrote in the new york times just yesterday, the

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we're sitting in our morning meeting and one producer pitched this idea about the berlin man. she said he's cured. you're always so careful about the c word. >> i'm going to use it because he says he is cured. doctors say when they look in his body for evidence of hiv, they don't find it. he's the only person in the world like this. >> do we know why he's called the berlin patient? >> he lives in berlin. he was diagnosed in 1990. he did a bone marrow transplant. his doctor said i might as well give you cells from one of few people in this world, it's a small percentage of everybody who is resistant to hiv. he found someone and give him the transplant. he doesn't have hiv anymore. >> i imagine his cure helps

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when i really started digging deeper in the story, when you add the private student loan debt to the federal loan debt that equals $1 trillion, that's more than what we owed be credit card debt. >> it's the next bubble to burst. they are about 15% of the total. there's two big problems. the first is the way the loans work and the second is the fact we have students graduating and into an economy where there are no jobs so they can't begin to rethink about repaying the loans. you don't have student loans, they have you. they've got you when you have a student loan. >> the study said is the students don't really understand or they didn't understand when they were applying the real difference between private versus federal. what are the differences? >> they are both student loans and have one important thing in common. you cannot get out of them through the bankruptcy process.

you can't get out by filing bankruptcy. private student loans are made directly from banks. they make the loans based on your credit scores not based on financial need. they may are may not require a co-signer. they can have any kind of interest rate and might be adjustable rates. federal loans stick to a formula. they are based on need. the first step for any student looking for a loan is a federal student loan. there are two big problems with either of these loans. the first is that the government has protected the lenders when their banks and protected lernds that used to be made by banks. there are no losses. private lenders don't care too much about the credit scores. >> if i'm a student, i'm listening to you and saying that's well and great but i owe this money and i'm the one who applied and got this private student loan but i owe this money. i can't pay it back. i can't file for bankruptcy.

what do i do? >> okay. if you have a federal student loan you go to ibr info there's forbearance and income base repayment. private student loan there's no way out. they have no incentive to consolidate or cut your rates. it's not that they are that much worse than federal loans. the federal government today borrows for 90-day treasury bills at less than one-tenth percent and they may students repay at 6.8%. the federal government should be doing more. the federal government should be cutting rates. until five years ago they were based on the 90-day t bill. today they would be less than a quarter of repayment. private student loans you don't have much leverage. go to your parents