mistake again, i've been able to learn and grow. >> a fascinating interview with america's greatest olympian. that's on monday. that's all for us tonight. inte america's greatest olympian. that's on monday. that's all for us tonight. this was -- had never been done here before. >> what he's referring to is this, a black couple getting married in their church. >> we had people in the sanctuary that was pitching a fit. >> just 48 hours before saying "i do," the church bans the wedding. the couple joins us live tonight. laughter in the midst of pain. an emotional interview with the parents of a colorado shooting victim. >> we're already moving into celebration mode for alex sullivan. nobody is ever going to forget him.

then a first for the u.s. and the olympics. hello, i'm deborah feyerick at the cnn world headquarters in tonight nor don lemon. let's get you up to speed on some of the day's headlines. the colorado suspect linked to the mass shooting spree back in court in just a couple of hours. james holmes expected to be formally charged with 12 counts of first degree murder. 58 others injured. court documents show holmes was a patient of a university of colorado psychiatrist before the attack. a live report from the courthouse is just ahead. this is jerusalem, the old city. republican presidential hopeful mitt romney praying at the jewish holy site, the western

wall. romney met western leaders and raised eyebrows and said israel's capital is jerusalem. romney left no guessing where he stands on israel's defense against iran. >> we recognize israel's right to defend itself and that it is right for america to stand with you. full details on romney's day in jerusalem coming up in a moment. defense secretary leon panetta says the battle for aleppo will be another nail in president bashar al assad's coffin. the u.n. says some 200,000 people have fled aleppo in the past few days. another busy action-packed day at the olympics. the men's team took silver. in basketball the u.s. men beat

france 98-71 and american swimmer dana vollmer set a world record, becoming the first woman to swim the 100 meter butterfly in under 56 seconds. seven people were killed when a tractor-trailer crossed a median and struck a van. the truck's driver and his wife are hospitalized in serious condition. the accident happened on interstate 10 near phoenix. a missing 12-year-old arkansas girl has been found safe after police discovered the bodies of the couple she lived with. amber withlo was found with her 33-year-old brother now a suspect in her abduction as well as a double homicide. the girl is believed to be either the daughter or granddaughter of the deceased couple. if you feel like you're paying more at the pump, it is not your imagination, the price of a gallon of gas has gone up by a dime in the past three

weeks to $3.51. it reverses a three-month slide. the highest measured price was long island, new york at $3.83 a gallon. we're telling a love story tonight here on cnn, a man and a woman. they met, they fell in love. before you knew it, they're going to the championshipal the way it's supposed to happen except one thing. here is the bride and groom, who saturdays ago, the day they walked down the aisle. at the very last minute charles and teandrea. it turned out to be a problem. the wilsons are live with me now from jackson, mississippi. first of all, congratulations. it didn't exactly happen the way you expected it to. you did eventually get married, but not where you wanted to. charles, take over the story from here.

you're two days from your wedding in your home church. what happens? >> well, basically we were told that -- my wife was called and they said because of the fact that we were black, some of the members of the congregation had got upset and decided no black couple would ever be married in her church. as she informed me, i decided to come home and comfort her. >> in all your time in this church, and i know your wife had been a member there for more than a year, her father and uncle also members. in all that time of the church, did you and she ever feel unwelcome? >> honestly i felt at home. i can honestly say that. i felt i was in the right place serving the lord with the right people. i felt that i couldn't wait to join the church. i couldn't wait to come back to sunday school -- to church. i would talk about the church

everywhere i go and tell how much i enjoyed the people, the pastor and the whole congregation. i was devastated. >> teandrea, do you know who complained about your wedding? do you know any of these people personally? >> no, ma'am. i actually do not. i do know dr. stan personally, the pastor of the church, but none of the members. >> were you surprised the pastor did not stand up to really what amounted to a handful of congregants saying you shouldn't be married in that church? >> yes, ma'am, i was. i was very devastated. it hurt me badly. i had dreams of having my wedding the way i wanted it and i also dreamed of having it at the church. and unfortunately it didn't happen. so i was very devastated, in turmoil and very hurt. >> i want you to listen to this

reaction from members of your church today in crystal springs. let's take a quick listen. >> i'm hoping the church body will address this. myself personally, i would like to apologize to the wilsons, to their family and friends and the entire black community. because this has happened. >> these are some great people and a great church and i don't see nothing what they're saying is true. i love these people and they love me. >> we basically have been betrayed as a racist church. we're not. we welcome anybody that wants to come through those doors. >> i would say i'm sorry this happened and would you for give the people who caused it because we're going to try to? >> mr. and mrs. wilson, let me ask you, can you forgive these people? clearly, mrs. wilson, you had an idea of how you wanted your wedding to be and days before

you're supposed to be walking down the aisle, you must have been crushed. >> yes, ma'am, i was, very crushed. i couldn't think straight. i couldn't even sleep right that night. >> it seems like you had a lot of support from other members of the congregation, those who you just heard who say that this never should have happened, that it's not a racist congregation. this was just a small group of people who made a terrible decision but having the reverend do this. what is it you want? do you plan to go back to that church? >> me, myself, ma'am, let me say this -- i'm sorry to interrupt my wife, but i have to say -- i listened to what you said about the congregation and all those people that were sorry. we're god fearing people. we love jesus. we are christians. my thing, what i would say to

those people and everyone else listening to what we're talking about, why didn't those people stand up in the beginning. if it was such a minority, why didn't the majority stand up and say in god's house, don't do this. that was a time to say it. the time was the day before we got married. that was the time to step up and be christ-like. >> we were seeing pictures of you and your wife getion married. it was not the church you originally chose. it was the pastor, the pastor did the ceremony. do you have any legal recourse here? is it against the law to deny somebody a wedding ceremony certainly at a church where they thought they were welcome? >> well, honestly, we can't talk about the legal recourses. we just can't do that. i just know that morally it was

wrong. critzian, it was completely wrong. a lot of people can say right now today that they don't understand why we're going after and what we're doing. what if it was your daughter, you niece, you aunt, your husband, your nephew, your cousin. all we wanted to do was in the eyes of got be man and wife in a church we love. we have a 3-year-old son and a 9-year-old daughter. i have to explain to my 9-year-old who is very much aware of what goes on, and she went to church there, what happened. so tell me why are we so wrong for pushing what was right on our end. >> all right, charles and te'andrea, we appreciate hearing what happened. congratulations on the wedding that did happen. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. up next, a side of mitt romney few of us have seen.

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the fight for the white house goes overseas. republican mitt romney was in jerusam today touring holy sites and plunging head first into one of the most divisive issues of the middle east conflict. cnn's jim acosta is there. >> reporter: mitt romney drew big contrast from mr. obama, the main call, his call for jerusalem to be the undisputed capitol. it's a position that could inflame tensions in this region should romney become president. the other headline from this speech, romney issued a stern warning to iran, should that country continue to develop nuclear weapons, here is a portion from romney's speech. >> make no mistake, the ayatollahs in tehran are testing our moral defenses. they want to know who will

object and who will look the other way. my message to the people of israel and the leaders of iran is one in the same, we will not look away, nor will my country ever look away from our passion and commitment to israel. >> reporter: after a bruisinging week for romney, romney and his wife visited the western wall in jerusalem, one of the jewish religion's most sake rhett sites. next up for romney, hoe holds a funneled razor in jerusalem before he heads off to poland. jim acosta, cnn, jerusalem. >> also traveling this weekend, secretary of defense leon panetta. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr is in north africa. >> reporter: defense secretary leon panetta made it clear on this trip to north africa and the middle east he is not

stepping into presidential politics, telling reporters he won't talk about romney's views on the possibility of israel attacking iran. panetta, of course, has an opinion. >> i'm not going to comment on what political candidates say or don't say. with regards to where israel is right now, my view is that they have not made any decisions with regards to iran. >> panetta now believes israel is less likely to bomb iranian nuclear sides in the near future. he will again reassure israelis on this trip that the u.s. is doing everything it can on the diplomatic front. panetta also made it clear that the u.s.-israeli partnership also means no options are off the table. >> my goal, frankly, is to strengthen that partnership so that we can be fully prepared to

deal with any contingency that may happen. >> reporter: but over shadows the secretary's entire trip, urgent worries about the security of syria's chemical weapons. panetta acknowledged that the u.s. is using other countries in the region to gather the latest intelligence on the security at those syrian weapon sites. >> i don't want to go into particulars with regards to some of the more specific steps that we're taking, but i think it's fair to say that we have been in very close consultation with the -- with jordanians, with turkey, with other allies in the region to ensure that we are closely monitoring the situation. >> reporter: as defense secretary leon panetta arrived here in north africa at his first stop in tunisia, he said the fighting in aleppo, syria, is so bad that he believes in

his words it will become the nail in bashar al assad's coffin and his regime is coming to an end. barbara starr, cnn, tunis. the man accused in the colorado shooting is in court tomorrow, a live report on what's expected coming up next.

the colorado suspect linked to a shooting rampage at a movie theater is due in court tomorrow. james holmes is expected to be formally charged in the case. 12 people died, 58 others were injured. dave mattingly joins us live outside the courthouse. dave, what are we expecting tomorrow? >> reporter: well, tomorrow the prosecution is going to set the tone with how this case is going to be heading through the courts here in colorado. what we're expecting to hear with 12 people killed, that's 12 potential premeditated murder charges we could hear tomorrow.

58 wounded in that theater could mean dozens of potential attempted murder charges. we're also going to be watching closely to see if there's any sort of decision made about the mysterious package the alleged killer sent to his psychiatrist at the university of colorado. that package now in the possession of authorities. the defense says that could contain privileged communication between a patient and his doctor and may not be released into evidence. we're going to see if the judge is going to rule on this if he allows the contents of that package into evidence, and if so, how. >> and, david, police say holmes had rigged his apartment. we saw that dramatic video of them going in there, searching for explosives. what types of charges could that bring? because that also was designed to hurt people. >> reporter: that's right. not just hurt people, but according to authorities who actually went in there, that was a room that was rigged to kill people, anyone who came through that door. remember, he had multiple

improvised explosive devices inside. trip wires all over the place. and he had a device set up so that it was playing very loud music, almost trying to entice people or to bait people to come knock on that door and possibly try to gain entry to see what was going on. it seemed like he was setting that up to not only give someone some serious injuries but possibly kill them as well. so there could be state, possibly federal charges coming out of that as well. >> and david, another heartbreaking tragedy today. ashley mosier, who had a miscarriage just today, we are learning, after surgery. remember, her 6-year-old daughter veronica, she was the youngest person killed in the theater attack. could this death also affect what happens and how holmes is charged potentially? >> reporter: well, this shows just how this tragedy continues to get worse for some families affected by this. but colorado law does provide for charges to be filed in cases

like this, possible murder charges. we don't know what degree prosecutors might seek in this case. there's a lot of questions to be answered. it's a lot more complicated than just shooting at someone in that theater. so we're going to see what the prosecution plans to do with that. we could see another possible murder charge of some type coming out of this case. >> all right, david mattingly, thank you so much. it will also be interesting to see the demeanor, obviously, of holmes, who was just so strange during his last court appearance. we are going to be taking a look at all the legal issues that james holmes is facing next. you don't have to be in front of cnn to watch cnn. you can do it from your cell phone or at your computer at work. go to cnn.com/tv.

well, the medicine accused of turning a midnight movie into a theater of chaos is due in court in just hours.

james holmes set to be formally charged. 12 people died, 58 others injured, meanwhile, a shooting survivor is facing even more tragedy. she first lost her 6-year-old daughter, who was shot in that theater. today we learned she had a miscarriage after surgery this weekend. she was just eight weeks pregnant, but had been shot in the abdomen. trial attorney karen conte joins us from chalk. karen, could james holmes be charged in connection with this woman's miscarriage, given that she was shot in the abdomen? also the neck. >> well, there are things called fetal homicide laws. 38 states have them. colorado has one, but interestingly, all it does is increase the penalty for someone who commits a crime against a pregnant woman. it does not allow for a charge of murder in the case of a fetus. so the only way that it could have happened would be if the child was born and then died, then that child would have been

a person under colorado law, and therefore a murder charge could have been brought. but because it was a miscarriage, died inside of her, there is no such crime in colorado. >> so what crimes are we going to see him charged with in connection with the 58 people who were shot? clearly, you've got the 12 murders. but there's a range of charges he's likely to face. what is your experience telling you? >> i mean, you're going to have arms charges. you're going to have some sort of mayhem charge. you're going to have, you know, attempted murder. you're going to have assault. you're going to have a lot of charges. listen, i feel terrible for this victim, but there's enough to charge this guy with enough to give him six death penalties. so colorado has the death penalty, but it hasn't been used in a long time. you would think that if there's a case for the death penalty, this would be it. >> and do you think prosecutors will actually go for that, and how equally hard will defense

try to go after, you know, an insanity defense? >> well, you know, the death penalty, again, has not been used at all in colorado. i think one time in the last century, really. so they don't like the death penalty, but again, there's going to be huge public pressure. that's what happens in these cases. i think they're going to go for it, maybe set a precedent that this isn't going to be allowed, to the extent it's some deterrent. i think that, you know, the insanity defense is very difficult. you have to show the person doesn't appreciate what's wrong or what's right. that's a really hard case to prove. john wayne gacey knew what was wrong and right. he covered up the bodies. jeffrey dammer, and those people are crazy under our definition. a legal definition, not so much. >> all right. karen, thank you so much. what's fascinating also is there's such a tight gag order in place. everyone is so eager to know what kind of information authorities have, but right now we're not going to be getting a whole heck of a lot of it. it will be interesting to see the charges. thank you so much.

well, let's get you up to speed now. syrians are fleeing the country's biggest city, aleppo. take a listen. and the arab league is warning of war crimes there. the u.n. estimates 200,000 have fled in the past two days. the free syrian army, meantime, is taking the fight to the government fighters at an army base. >> i've been watching a rebel attack on a syrian army base cated just outside the northern limits of that city of aleppo. it started around sunset with a great deal of rocket fire and mortar fire and machine gunfire. and we've basically been watching constant tracer fire at night focused on this syrian army base and emerging from this syrian army base. >> syrian activists say 114 people were killed in today's violence. seven people were killed today arizona when a tractor

trailer crossed over a median and slammed into a van. all the victims were in that van. the truck's driver and his wife are both hospitalized in serious condition. the accident happened on interstate 10 near phoenix. and if you feel like you're paying more at the pump, it is not your imagination. the price of a gallon of gas has now gone up by a dime the past two weeks to $3.51 a gallon. that's according to the lundberg survey and reverses a three-month slide. the highest average measured price was on long island, new york. that was at $3.83 a gallon. and this man and this woman tried to get married in their own church. the answer they got, no. the reason they got it, because they're black. it happened in mississippi. they're angry and doing something about it. stay with cnn. we talked to them earlier. they're going to be back. and another busy action-packed day for athletes

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mitt romney visits israel. just four minutes into his speech, he brought up iran. >> make no mistake, the ayatollahs in tehran are testing our moral defenses. they want to know who will object and who will look the other way. my message to the people of israel and the leaders of iran is one in the same. we will not look away, nor will my country ever look away from our passion and commitment to

israel. >> well, some have criticized romney for not taking a stand on issues, but today he came out strong and unambiguous on israel saying, whenever the security of israel is most endowed, america's commitment to israel must be most secure. earlier i spoke with a cnn contributor and senior espn writer and asked if this is the new mitt romney. >> for the most rt, he just went out and said what president obama has been saying for the last three years. there hasn't been much difference from his stance than the stance that w. had and clinton had before him. that is, we will be there for israel and do everything we can to keep nuclear arms out of iran. that's the only thing he said. that's something all the other presidents have said. the thing about jerusalem, that's the thing raising eyebrows. essentially, as we were talking during the break, that sort of sets up a conversation that

could lead towards war, and the last thing we need is some want-to-be going overseas and talking about war, especially someone who, when given the opportunity to fight in a war for his country, opted to go to france. that's the thing that raises eyebrows and really ticks me off about his visit. >> lz, let me clarify for everybody listening. when mitt romney was in israel, he said he believed jerusalem should be the capital of israel because jerusalem obviously such a main point of contention between israelis and the palestinians. anna, what do you think? do you think that was deliberate? do you think it was a gaffe saying jerusalem to be the capital? >> absolutely not. i think it makes all the sense in the world. what he basically said, is look, countries get to choose what their capitals are. if i were to move it, i would do it in consultation with the israelis. i would have the israelis, do you want this? is this something that's important to you? if so, then make the decision. so i think it's a very logical thing that he's saying.

and i also would beg to differ with my friend lz when he says it's the same position as barack obama's. one of the things mitt romney made clear today is he's not going to look the other way when it comes to iran. as somebody that lives in miami, i'm painfully aware of all the efforts and outreach and cooperation that's been going on for the last 3 1/2 years between iran and latin america. our neighbors across the border. we've seen him establish operations in cuba, establish operations in venezuela. yes, we have a president who has looked the other way, who says it's not a national security threat. as somebody that lives0 miles away from cuba, it's a threat to me. >> i don't understand how someone -- >> here's the point. basically president obama said he would not support an israeli strike against tehran. he said he will not support that. he asked israel to stand down. a lot of people didn't think that was the correct thing to do

because it was their national security. then when mitt romney's foreign policy adviser suggested that, in fact, he would back an israeli strike against tehran, mitt romney, then mitt romney sort of backed away from that. so what are we really talking about here? are these just words? >> we're talking about no one wants a war. i think that's the responsible thing to do, push toward peace. i don't think you can call a president who has a kill list as someone who looks away when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to national security, when it comes to foreign relations and foreign policy. i don't think that's a fair assessment. you might not be happy with the measure he's taken, but to say he's looking away and ignoring iran is think is an inaccurate way to characterize this. no one wants a war. no one can afford a war, which is another part of the conversation that we're not having. we can't afford to fight. so we're hoping that sanctions and diplomacy would be first. what we don't need, as i said earlier, is someone who is saying words that would incite a war. >> sure. okay. >> i agree with you, nobody wants a war. nobody wants a war.

nobody wants a nuclear iran. nobody wants an iran that thinks we are a weak united states. then a first for the u.s. and the olympics.

all eyes are focused on the u.s. swim team at the olympics. our fredricka whitfield caught up with some of them and asked them about diversity on the team and what it means to people watching back home. >> reporter: 2008 olympic gold medalist cullen jones relishes the idea of being a role model. >> i think that's huge. i can't tell you how many family members i knew picked up a driver because they saw tiger woods doing it. i think that the beacon of seeing someone that looks like you that is excelling in a sport, like i said, getting out of a bad situation, those are

the glimpses of hope people see. >> reporter: jones is part of something historically different about usa swimming. he's one of three athletes with african-american heritage who will compete for the u.s. the first time there's ever been more than one. growing up in new jersey, jones learned to swim at age 5 after nearly drowning at a water park. now he helps teach other minority kids to swim through usa swimming foundation's make a splash program. he knows it will take time before those efforts create more minority swimmers with olympic dreams. >> good job. all right. i don't know if it's going to be necessarily in my lifetime or not, but i just think the ball is rolling. make a splash initiative is an amazing step in the right direction. i think there are going to be other programs that are going to be just like them. >> reporter: 17-year-old leah neil, a native of brooklyn, new york, is just the second african-american woman to swim for team usa.

following march writ is a korea who won silver in athens. she saw firsthand the effect she had on other african-americans after qualifying for the london olympics last month. >> one day i was taking a nap. when i woke up from a nap, i saw i gained like 30 new twitter followers. i was like, something must have happened. i looked at my mentions. i saw alicia keys tweeted me. that's kind of a big deal. that's cool. spike lee also tweeted me. that was really cool. >> reporter: anthony irvin blazed a trail as the first u.s. swimmer with african-american heritage at the 2000 games in sydney. he won gold and silver. after retiring from swimming nine years ago, he made a remarkable comeback to qualify for the london games. despite the progress in the makeup of the u.s. swim team, though, irvin thinks it'll be a while before the sport gets so diverse that race won't be a topic anymore.

>> i mean, the race question is always going to be involved one way or another. if it's -- it might not be the same exact race question that it was ten years ago, but there's always going to be a race question. >> reporter: fredricka whitfield, cnn, atlanta. and of course we want you to stay connected to us here at cnn, even when you're not at home, when you're on the go. grab your mobile phone. go to cnn.com/tv. if you're on a desk top or laptop, you can also watch cnn live.

nearly a quarter of women in american experience severe violence at the hands of someone close to them. this week's cnn hero, joe crawford, is helping survivors fulfill their ultimate dream. >> when i was 13, my dad was very violent and attempted to murder my mom. it wasn't until i was 55 that i came to work in a shelter and met a woman who had fled chicago with two young children. she had no documentation. she did not legally exist. she said, can you help me? i need $40 to get all the documentation. it is totally forbidden, but i gave her the two $20 bills. i'm thinking, i just changed three lives with $40. i had no idea i had actually changed my life as well.

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>> and cnn heros are all chosen from people you tell us about. to nominate someone who you know is making a difference, go to cnn heroes.com. well, it was his 27th birthday, and his first wedding anniversary. but alex sullivan's life was cut short in the colorado theater massacre. an emotional interview with his family next. $14.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon. good through august 5th can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno.

it was his 27th birthday, a fun-filled weekend. alex sullivan planned to celebrate with close friends at a special midnight showing of "the dark knight rises." the next day he was to celebrate his first wedding anniversary. his life was cut short when a gunman opened fire in that colorado movie theater. our don lemon sat down with his father and sister. >> people said tefs a big guy but a gentle giant. >> he was big. people always thought he was older than he was. and what you had to do then is when you got up to him and you looked in his eyes, there was this child. >> we had so much fun together. we climbed trees, we climbed through sewers when we weren't supposed to, got in trouble. had so much fun together. >> he really wanted to go to

that movie. i understand one of the last things he did was he tweeted the movie is about to start in an hour. i can't wait. can't wait. >> best birthday ever is what i think it said. that was his thing, was we went to the movies on his birthday. >> he's in the movie, can you imagine what they went through? >> from what i heard, it was instantaneous for alex. alex -- it was an instantaneous death and when i went to the coroner's office on saturday and saw him and got the coroner's report, it was a relief. that was our worry, that it was going to be, you know, some kind of a gruesome thing and it was going to be tough, but he took a single shot and it ended up going through his heart and he died instantaneously.

so there was no screaming, there was no anguish. he hit the ground and he was gone. and so i have a lot of relief from that. >> who told you? >> sarah was our victim advocate. and she -- we all moved over to the aurora south. kathy was admitted into the hospital for anxiety attacks and we wanted to be close to her. so he all met there, and they put us in like a huge room and everyone that was with us at gateway followed us. even though they said it was only family. we said no, no, no, they're all coming with us, and we just kind of sat in that room, and once the door opened, sarah walked in, we kind of knew.

>> when she came through the door, deathly silence, everything stopped and she came over and got me and my wife terry, and we sat down. she sat in front of us, and she said, it's confirmed, alex is one of the ten in the movie theater. and we, you know, grabbed each other, held each other. they told us people might be outside, so the security guard there was just a wonderful man. you guys might be around and somebody might be running through. he came out, and he said, you know, how sorry he was. i told him -- and i said, today was my son's birthday. it staggered the man. i mean, he actually staggered back when i told him that. and he told me, he said, i've been in the prison system

working in corrections for 26 years. he said, i will tell you, he said, maximum security prison is hell on earth. that man will be feeling it for the rest of his days. he says, you don't have to worry about that. i said, i'm not worried. i said, we're already moving into celebration mode for alex sullivan, and nobody's ever going to forget him. we've already forgotten about whoever else took care of this. and then we went home, got the jamisons out, you know, got a cigar, put some van morrison on and began to celebrate our son. >> amen, brother. >> that's it. >> right. >> "into the mystic." >> good for you. >> you're going to hear a lot more stories like the sullivans,