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served his greatest achievement for last, which is that he single handedly brought back an extraordinary phenomenon from the '70s, the sideburn. wiggo, i salute you. anderson cooper starts now. we begin tonight with breaking news in the colorado tragedy that raises some very troubling questions. was somebody in a position to sound a clear warning about the alleged shooter? somebody with both the expertise and the duty to see trouble coming? did that somebody drop the ball? 12 people, we know, died in the shooting at the century 16 theater in colorado, dozens more were wounded. the question is, could all of that have been prevented? we have very big questions tonight, new evidence tonight. john fruzya joins us now with the latest. john, give us a timeline here. you've learned some information about the alleged shooter, and
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concerns his psychiatrist actually had about him. >> well, anderson, in the first ten days of june, a number of things were going on. i'll give you a timeline here to kind of set the scene. on june 7th, the suspect in these shootings was to take an oral exam. he's in the ph.d program, the neuroscience program at the university of colorado. he took this oral exam, was a preliminary oral exam and didn't do well on it at all. secondly, he had to find a mentor to continue in this neuroscience program. we're told it's unclear if he could find a mentor. on the 7th, june 7th, the same day he basically failed that test, he went out in the afternoon and bought an ar-15 assault rifle. it was in that afternoon that we know -- or around that period, he was certainly talking to his psychiatri psychiatrist, who was dr. lynn fenton. now, we don't know what those conversations were, but we know during that period, which seemed to be a very high-stress period for him, something that he said to his psychiatrist caused her to contact the university of
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colorado threat assessment team. now, that threat assessment team was formed in part with her help, and she's on that team. so she's a member, she helped form the team. she contacted several of her colleagues on that team. we don't know what she told them, we don't know what triggered her to call them, but they decided, after a day or so, not to convene, and the reason was is because three days after he failed that test and bought that ar-15, on the 10th of june, he dropped out of school. they then thought, the team thought, we're told by our sources, the team thought they had no jurisdiction, they had no control over them, so there was nothing that they could do vis-a-vis this concern that she had. again, we don't know what the concern was. what we do know is that no one, through our sources and through our reporting, we have been told no one contacted the aurora police department with any of these concerns. >> so that's really interesting. and this is all new information that we're really just learning now. so, certainly, whatever he had
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said, allegedly said to his psychiatrist raised enough red flags that she became concerned, contacted other members of this threat assessment team, but because he dropped out of th program, you're saying, they never actually formally intervened or formally got together to discuss him? >> that's correct. our reporting, through our sources, says that essentially, in the process of considering what, you know, dr. fenton was telling them, at that point, during that period of time, he dropped out of school. they then thought, well, we can't really -- he's not a student anymore. we're the threat assessment team for the university of colorado. there's not much we can do. we either don't have jurisdiction or, you know, what do we do? he's not coming here anymore. as a matter of fact, two days later, after the 10th, his access card was cut off, he couldn't come back to the campus and get into any labs or the areas where he was working. but anderson, be clear on this, we don't know what was said, so
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we don't know the level of threat or the level of concern, and was that level to the level that would have been necessarily been reportable to police? as you know, across the country, there are, you know, there are obviously different rules in different states. but if you're here and this is where we need to be to report to police, we don't know if that call to the threat assessment team might have been here about something down here. we don't have any idea about that. we can't really say whether she mishandled it or handled it properly. >> john, let me ask you, and we may want know this information, and if we don't, we can move on, but was she actually seeing him as a patient, or just in a classroom setting? and if she was seeing him as a patient, do we know for how l g long? >> well, at this point, our reporting telling us that she has been seeing him for several weeks as a patient. and that's also borne out by court documents, public court documents that we found. now, on her website, on her resume page, we see that she routinely handles between 10 and
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15 patients of her own at cu. so he may have very well been unof those patients. we don't know how long he'd been going to see her. what we know is it was certainly several weeks and it was in this period of the first ten days of june is when she finally got this kind of inkling that something might be a problem. >> john, stick around. i want to bring in practicing psychologist, host of hln's "dr. drew," dr. drew pinsky. and the director that developed threat assessment teams after virginia tech. give us your take on what we've just now learned, the limited information that we have. >> sure, anderson, based on what i'm hearing so far and the reading i'm seeing on the coverage, it seems like there was an appropriate flow of information going on within the university. that if holmes was concerning to dr. fenton, who was his treating
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psychiatrist, that she communicate that information to the behavioral intervention team on campus. now, as we've already talked about, there's a threshold for when a psychiatrist can reveal that information, but information flows both ways with these teams. it may be that someone brought information to the team about holmes and fenton was on the team and consulted about it, or it may be that fenton brought information to the team about holmes, which would then imply that there was a threshold of threatening behavior that was imminent and that she felt the immediate to alert the team to that. >> dr. drew, what do you make of this? i guess the question i have is, what responsibility does a school or school officials or school psychiatrists have if a student has actually left the school? is there anything they can really do? >> the psychiatrist, again, to reframe the intro to myself, i'm a physician addiction psychologist, but the psychiatrist herself would have obligation to follow through on referral.
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she would to continue to see this patient until that care was terminated or transferred to someone else. but as you see here very clearly, this patient did not reach the threshold for a 72-hour hold, when someone's a threat to himself or others, or for her to violate his hipaa laws that there was belief of a imminent danger. she did the very appropriate thing of calling the threat assessment team, but then the question becomes, each and every threat assessment team at every university has to make their own guidelines, based on my understandings of how they function, based on their own ethical and legal obligations to that community. >> and obviously, doctors walk a fine line here in terms of patient confidentiality, but you're saying, dr. drew, a doctor could put a 72-hour hold on a patient if they feel they are an immediate danger? >> yes, she would have an absolute obligation to do that. i can pretty much guarantee you that there was not sufficient evidence to suggest that should have happened or something called a terra soft, where people are ruminating about specific harm to specific
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peoplewhere you notify people that's a potential in the future, to protect themselves. but the fact is, she did what was appropriate within that community, which is to notify threat assessment. >> mr. sokolaw, i read that as many as 80% of colleges now in the united states in the wake of virgin tech have threat assessment teams. is it really that widespread? >> it absolutely is, anderson. it became very clear after the shooting at virginia next and northern illinois that there was one mechanism which really was the most effective preventative, and that was to bring a team together, which would help to assess these risks. every person who threatens this kind of violence almost always engages in what's called leakage, which is the dropping of crumbs before they act. they give clues. so at any college community, we pick up on these clues, pass them along to the team, the team does an assessment and takes the appropriate action. that's becoming extremely
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commonplace. >> dr. drew, if a psychiatrist, if the patient is a college student, do they have any ability or obligation to tell that person's parents, or if the person's over the age of 18, are they not allowed to? >> this depends on the level of threat, the level of imminent harm, and it depends on the institution. at some institutions, the hipaa laws aren't as stringently applied. there are other laws that apply to so-called student records. it's actually a very complicated, at least from my perspective, as someone who doesn't work in that every day, looking from the outside in, it looks terribly complicated to navigate through that system, and each system is different. >> john, in terms of, and again, we may not know this inreportin psychiatrist that the suspect allegedly sent a notebook or a packet to with some disturbing details in it? >> yeah, that's correct. that is the same package that police recovered. it was sent to dr. fenton.
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one thing i wanted to add here, about something we don't know, anderson, i think it's very important that we mention this. we don't know if, even though on one side, that the threat assessment team didn't follow through or didn't meet, didn't think it could. on the other side, we really don't know what happened with dr. fenton and this suspect. did she meet with him after he left school, on a private basis? did she refer him to some other psychiatrist, as one of your guests just said, may have done that. those are things we don't know. it's very difficult to make an assessment as to whether, you know, exactly, to say that she handled this correctly or not. she may have handled it very correctly. we simply don't have those answers. >> that's an important thing to point out with, and the very fact that she raised red flags and called other let assessment members, that is certainly at least a good indication of taking the right steps. and i think dr. drew agrees with that. i appreciate all you joining us, john ferrugia, i appreciate your reporting, brett sokolow and dr.
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president has signed what's called an intelligence finding laying things out. when he signed that is not known nor do we know the exact contents. we do know it gives the cia and other american agencies permission to provide covert support to oust assad. the dictator has not been seen in public for weeks. today he put out a written statement, again blaming his year and a half war on, quote, the criminal terrorist gangs. that's the phrase he's been using, justifying destroying cities. take a look at aleppo today, under intense bombardment. [ explosion ] this kind of warrants across syria have now take an estimated 17,000 to 20,000 lives, most civilian, many of them children, some of the children tortured to death by the regime, their bodies then returned to their families, often as a warning. all that killing later, opposition fighters are said to be gaining ground in some places, battling government forces across syrian and some locations holding their own or even making headway.
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but this is not entirely a war of liberation. it is also in places and at times becoming a war of vengeance. i'll show you one such moment. a warning,s it is not easy to watch. it shows a summary execution of asaad loyalist performed by a mob. if you prefer to turn away, we'll show it to you for about 15 seconds. take a look. [ continuous gunfire ] >> an act of retribution, it seems, and it may not be the last one. whoever comes out on top and whatever impact outside support for the opposition may have. let's talk to two people, former cia officer bob bear and fred townsend, homeland security advir in the george w. bush administration. how big a deal is this? again, we don't know when this
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was signed. how big a deal is this and what do you think it means? >> look, we should assume, where we have foreign policy challenges around the world, this is what we have an intelligence community to do, right? to go in clandestinely, to support american policy around the world. and so it shouldn't be surprising. here's my problem with it. you talked about 17,000 to 20,000 deaths in syria. the longer you wait to act, and you pointed out, we don't know when it was signed, the longer we wait to act, the more radicalized the syrian population becomes. they've been tortured, they've been abused, by their own leader, and they feel abandoned. and so you lead the way for the sorts of feelings of vengeance, al qaeda to come in and exploit -- >> extremist groups, we've already seen in increasing reports of al qaeda or jihadist groups, i just talked to a reporter who was kidnapped by a jihadist group. >> that's right. so i must tell you, good, if it is true that this has been signed and officials have told
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people here at cnn it is, that's great. but it's a little and it's lately. and we need to do more. whatever we're doing, we need to do much more to bring this to an end, a conclusion, so there's a transition. >> bob, do you think this will make a noticeable difference in what the opposition is able to accomplish against the regime, or is the lethal support needed and is that the kind of thing this finding would have? >> well, for a start, more money is going to go to the opposition, the fighters, they're out of money. they've been complaining today, they're not getting enough medicine, not getting enough weapons, enough ammunition. they simply need more funding. they're not getting enough from the gulf or from turkey or anywhere else. ultima ultimately, if this gets very bad -- and i completely agree with fran, the longer we let this go on, the more likely we're going to have al qaeda on the ground, responding, gathering supporters. but what they need right now is surface-to-air missiles and anti-tank weapons. they have to stop this armor, they have to stop the
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bombardments, and i, you know, one day, if it gets really bad, and it could be very soon, we're going to have to switch this to a lethal finding, or actually get the united states military to start supplying these people. in it's interesting, pbob, and you've been a case officer on the ground in a lot of dangerous places. but there are those who say, look, al qaeda is involved in here, or jihadist groups, people from chechnya or bangladesh or libya are going there on what they call a jihad. you see that as a result of not having more international intervention earlier on? >> well, with the way i look at it is that islam is a default, when things get really bad and people get hungry and desperate, they turn to the koran. it's not their first choice, but the longer it goes on, just like in somalia or even chechnya, they'll go from a secular opposition to a religious opposition. and in another year, we're going to see al qaeda all over the
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place. and al qaeda is just an idea, it's not an actual military force that's going to be coming. it's people are going to be turning to the most extreme forms of islam, especially if they feel abandoned. >> fran, under what -- do you agree with that? that this is a as a result of being abandoned? >> and i think you have to understand, whether it's the palestinian people, when a government, when an institution or international institutions fail a population and they are desperate and abused and tortured, they will turn to whoever can provide them weapons, food, and if that's al qaeda, that's who they'll turn to, if they're on the ground. >> it's interesting, bob, i was on the border, the turkish/syrian border a month or so ago or maybe longer, and the members of the free syrian army, the folks who were actually fighting who i was talking to, they keep saying, we keep hearing about communication equipment coming from the u.s. we keep hearing about money and arms coming from saudi arabia and qatar, but we're not seeing it on the ground. i just talked to ivan watson, who has seen, you know, evolved
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tactics, who have seen some better armaments, although relatively still small scale on the part of the opposition. but it's interesting to me that even now, they're still short of ammunition, short of weapons, and short of medical equipment. >> well, i think everybody was just sort of hoping that bashar assad would fall or there would be a coup d'etat or an easy solution. i don't think anyone imagined it would turn into a full-blown civil war and we would have to come down on one side, which we didn't do. so yes, we're coming late to the game. >> and anderson, i think it's going to worth noting, if we're only going to rely on covert action and clandestine activity, we're not going to win this. this requires us to be willing to stand up and use all instruments of national power. we're using treasury sanctions, that's good. we may now, as we find out today, be using clandestine activity, that's good. but some of this really means,
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you have to be willing to stand up and have the courage of your convictions and lead, right? you've got to pull together the resources of the arab governments who are willing to contribute, if turkey's willing to be useful and helpful on the refugee issue, you have to really be willing to stand up, with a strategic plan, and pull the international community together. and that's what's been lacking. >> bob, everyone knows, horrible things happen in war, on all sides. when you see that video of what appears to be a rebel group, opposition members lining up, what they say are regime supporters or soldier soldiers, a wall, and shooting them unarmed, hands tied behind their back, what do you make of it? how do you see it? >> anderson, this is a sectarian conflict. if bashar al assad falls, if the alawites are forced out of damascus, we'll be in a position where we'll need to defend them, because it will be a rwanda-like situation, because these groups
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that are uncontrollable right now will turn on this minority community. and we don't want to see that either. we're not taking sides in a civil war, we're just trying to stop the violence. so it doesn't surprise me at all, and it could get a lot worse. and i think it will. >> bob bear, appreciate your expertise, and fran townsend as well. difficult times. we're following other news as well, plus the fund-raising that michele bachmannis touting. she's raised more than $1 million last month. the question is, has she made some of that money on the controversy over her comments about huma abedin and others and alleged infiltration by radical jihadists into the u.s. government? we're keeping 'em honest. our political panel joins us ahead. i'm barack obama and i approve this message.
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days of july. yesterday, bachmann tweeted, "i'm so thankful for my generous and faithful supporters. we just raised more than $1 million in less than a month." it is an impressive amount, to be sure. the question is, does it also say something about what politics have become? during those same 25 days, bachmann and four other republican members of congress were alleging that members of a radical jihadist group were infiltrating the united states government. they specifically named an aide to secretary of state clinton, huma abedin, and we've reported on this a lot over the last two weeks. we invited miss bachmann to come on the program a half dozen times, including tonight, to provide proof, real evidence of these supposed ties to jihadist groups, but the congresswoman refused. she did, however, find time to talk the others about huma abedin. this from glenn beck. >> she is the chief aide for the -- to the secretary of state. and we quoted from a document, and this has been well reported, all across arab media, that her late father, who's now deceased, was a part of the muslim
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brotherhood. her brother was a part of the muslim brotherhood. and her mother was a part of what's called the muslim sisterhood. all we did was ask, did the federal government look into her family associations before she got a high-level security clearance. >> senator john mccain blasted bachmann and her fellow lawmakers calling her claims unwarranted and unfounded. other republicans have condemned the allegations as well. but keeping 'em honest, you have to wonder if bachmann relishes all this heat, seeks it, so she can make money off of it. whether the claims she makes are factual or not, that doesn't matter. this isn't the only time controversy has helped her raise money. back in 2010, on this program, bachmann made this claim. >> we know that just within a day or so, the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day. he's taking 2,000 people with him. he'll be renting out over 870 rooms in india andthese are
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five-star hotel rooms at the taj mahal palace motel. this is the kind of over the top spending. >> no one knows the cost, because for security reasons, they don't disclose the costs, so this idea that it's $200 million or whatever, are made up. >> well, these are the numbers that have been coming out in the press. >> i don't want to replay this, but she says, those are the numbers coming out in the press. it turns out the press she was talking about, the original source for that $200 million figure, was an indian news report which cited a local source, a local indian provincial official? so how would they know how much president obama's trip was costing? impossible. during that same time, bachmann raised nearly $4 million, a record for her. joining us, dana bash and alex sykeswald. dana, you've reported a number of times on the show that the reason that congresswoman
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bachmann wasn't backing down on her muslim brotherhood claims is because she was sure to raise a lot of money from it. you've even had members of her own party tell you this, and lo and behold, she raises a staggering $1 million last month. >> her campaign wants to make sure we know, $1 million in 25 days, that's what one of her campaign aides e-mailed me yesterday. but a top house republican told me just this week that, in a very candid way, anderson, that if your network, meaning cnn, goes after someone in their party, meaning the republican party, it only helps when it comes to fund-raising, and that was especially true, according to this top republican, for michele bachmann. every time the media attacks her, she does better. now, of course, we should make clear that this show has not attacks michele bachmann, but that is definitely the way it is perceived and that it is telegraphed to some of the very important areas where she fund-raisers. now, we should probably ask the question, whether or not all this money is really necessary, whether or n she's really in trouble in her re-election bid. you know, by all accounts, not
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really. i talked to one democrat who was monitoring this, who said that the democrats did a poll that shows that she actually is only about five points ahead of her democratic challenger, jim graves, and he is, as somebody who has a lot of money, he's independently wealthy, he could spend a lot of money there, but by and large, it does not look like she's in very, very serious trouble. >> alex, it's interesting, because the congresswoman's fund-raising prowess is legendary on capitol hill. you say it's also an important kind of currency in congress. explain that. >> yeah, that's right. it's sort of win-win for her. even if she loses on the policy, which it seems like she's going to on this, she can still win on the politics, both in terms of fund-raising for a re-electioned by, and internally within the house republican caucus. it's kind of a dirty secret, how important fraizing is on capitol hill. but a lot of members who retire will say that this is the reason why they left, because it's so important that they raise money in order to get plum committee assignments, to get good leadership positions, to be well-placed within the caucus. so what bachmann can do is raise
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a lot of money and then turn around and give it to other republicans. she gave over $60,000 in the 2010 election cycle to other republican lawmakers, which curries favor. she can appear at their fund-raisers, and all this helps her insulate herself and, you know, moves her up in the ranks. and this is maybe how she got the position on the intelligence committee in the first place, considering that she doesn't really have any foreign policy experience to speak of before. >> so she's actually using some of the money that she raises just to give to other people, other members of congress, for whatever reason? >> that's right, yeah. it's very common. almost every member of congress has what's called a leadership pac, and they use that to collect their own money, and then redistribute it to other members. so this can, you know, build ties, build relationships. and it's really interesting that in 2011, after the republicans came in, bachmann asked to be put on the intelligence committee, she has no foreign policy experience, never served on a foreign policy committee, and speaker boehner granted that
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request. >> dana, it seems like congresswoman bachmann became this political jurg naggernaut short period of time. how did that happen? >> when you see a stampede coming, jump in front and join the parade. that's what senator bachmann did. a couple of years ago, when the tea party movement was really, really gaining steam, she start what had she called the tea party caucus here in congress. i'm not really sure if they met even once, maybe a couple of times. but she became the chairwoman of the tea party caucus. she was the go-to person for this movement, which was incredibly popular, particularly two years ago. that is how she really became such a superstar. and she became a darling of the movement, there's no question about it. but, you know, it has changed a little bit, particularly because of this controversy. i was just talking to a top republican leadership aide this week, who gave me a quote that i just thought i had to pass on. who said, "loving her is no longer a litmus test for your conservative credentials."
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and that really, i think, does sum up the way things may have changed for her because of this controversy. one other thing i just want to add, you were talking about her position on the intelligence committee. my understanding, from my reporting, is that she ran -- when the republicans took the majority, ran for a leadership spot. there was no way the leadership was going to give it to her, so they wanted to make sure that she had a consolation prize, because she has so much support out will, legitimate support, among so-called tea party supporters, and that's why she got it. >> interesting. dana bash, appreciate it. alex seitz-wald, appreciate it as well. thank you. let's get some other updates on stories we're following. aisha's here with the "360 bulletin". >> the agriculture department has declared disaster zones in more than 200 additional counties in 12 states because of thegoing drought. more than half of all u.s. counties now have that the designation and the usda says food prices could rise as much as 4.5% because of crop damage linked to the drought. a 22-year-old woman in virginia is being credited with saving her father's life by lifting a car off of him and
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giving him cpr. the father was working on a car in his garage when the jack slipped and he was pinned underneath. local news reports say he has several broken ribs and other fractures. award-winning writer gore vidal has died from complications from pneumonia. vidal wrote dozens of novels, two broadway ays, and hundreds of essays. gore vidal was 86 years old. and anderson, the first u.s. franchise to open in libya is cinnabon. the cinnamon roll seller seen in malls and airports lo s through the united states has opened a shop in downtown tripoli. the company has plans for ten more locations in libya over the next four years. one exec saying, they were in all the major countries in the middle east, and they said, this makes sense. >> it's going to grind libya to a halt, because every time i pass a cinnabon in the airport, i literally have to just stop and sit there and smell it. >> which is funny, because there are so many other things that you don't like. >> i try not to eat them, because i feel bad after eating
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them, but they're so yummy, but i try not to eat them. anyway. >> all right, you and i will go together on our road trip, which we talked about last night, and we will eat cinnabons. . >> i'm looking forward to this road trip. tonight, a buddhist rereet cofounded by a couple is facing some troubling questions after a former member was found dead in the desert after being expelled. his family calls the group a cult. we have details, ahead. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now.
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welcome back. tonight, a mysterious death in the desert in arizona is raising some troubling questions about a group that calls itself a buddhist retreat. ian authorson's family may never exactly know how he spent the final months of his life. what they do know is he wasn't entirely alone. his wife was with him. they'd apparently had a falling out with the retreat and been
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banished. >> reporter: they wanted enlightn'tment. to get it, they would fend three months, three years, and three days meditating in the arizona desert. this from their retreat video. >> for three days, working very, very hard to change the world. >> christie mcnally was the co-founder of the diamond mountain university in the arizona desert with nearly 40 committed buddhists paid thousands of dollars to build their own accommodations. >> we also need a little bit of financial support, to tell you the truth. >> reporter: support that would allow those in the retreat to, as they call it, explore the inner space of the mind without worries about food, water, or other necessities. with mcnally, her husband and yoga partner, ian thorson. they co-authored a book together on yoga. >> once we do this kind of yoga together, then the next day when we try to do like a series alone, it's really, really lonely. >> it's lonely. >> the bliss was not to last. a year and a half into the retreat, both mcnally and
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thorson would be expelled, then they seemingly disappeared. three months later, 38-year-old thorson would be dead, christie mcnally at his side. >> she was completely hysterical. according to her, she needed to stay with him for that -- for a three-day period to help his spirit to heaven. >> reporter: thorson died just a few miles from the retreat. he and mcnally had made the fatal decision to continue it on their own, roughing it in the arizona desert in the middle of winter on a nearby mountainside. >> i wouldn't call it a cave. it was a big boulders were, you know, stacked. >> reporter: but the pair had help. someone was bringing them food and water from the base of the mountain. they had to come down and come back up in order to get it. at some point, they became too weak and too sick to actually do that. the coroner's report says that thorson died of dehydration and starvation. despite their bad decision to rough it, thorson's mother
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doesn't blame either her son or his wife. she puts the blame squarely on this man, michael roach, seen here in the retreat video. >> what you're seeing here is the final party to celebrate the three-year retreat. >> reporter: co-founder of diamond mountain with mcnally. thorson's mother accuses him of running a cult and says it was just another step in gaining control over her son, ian. >> he changed radically, but over a long -- over a period of time. it doesn't happen overnight. >> reporter: but there is more to the story. before it was christie and ian, it was christie and michael. that's right, michael roach-mcnally had done a three-year retreat in 1999, living in the same arizona desert, never more than 15 feet apart. their relationship was frowned upon by tibetan buddhists, including the dalai lama, which
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disapproved of him wearing mow nastic robes, indicating celibacy, while appearing to be in a relationship. they even made videos about their spiritual relationship. the problem began in february, a little more than a year into the retreat. mcnally gave a lecture, indicating ian had been violent toward her and she had accidentally stabbed him while practicing martial arts. reason enough, ian's mother contends, for roach to expel christie and her son. days later, mcnally received a letter from michael roach and the retreat's board of directors, demanding to know details. she refused. in a rambling 31-page letter, she says she was treated with disrespect, calling the board's letter disturbing and a gross breach of the retreat. the dispute appears to have led to the couple's expulsion from the retreat. in his own open letter, michael roach said ian had been cut three times. one which was deep enough to threaten vital organs, but the
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coroner's report only mentions a scar across thorson's right shoulder. >> he expelled the couple, for whatever reasons. you can -- i don't think it's possible to justify something like that. >> expelled them and never, informed the family, she says. both ian and christie emerging from more than a year from the solitude of the retreat would have been in a delicate frame of mind. arizona authorities continue the case closed. michael roach continues to run diamond mountain, traveling and spreading the gospel of buddhism and business. he refused our every attempt to talk to him on camera. last april, ian thorson was cremated in arizona. what started as a journey toward enlightenment ended with his death and many unanswered questions. >> it's such a bizarre tale. miguel, if ian thorson's family is convinced it was a cult, did they try to do anything to get
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him out of it? >> they did, indeed. in the late '90s and early 2000s, they brought in experts, brought him out to long island, near where they lived, basically tried to launch an intervention to get him out of it. there was one scene where he became so upset and agitated in the car, he jumped out of a moving car and went running away from the family while in flip-flops, essentially, and they had to go chasing him down. they tried everything that they could, they said, to try to get him away from michael roach, away from what they considered a cult, and never could. anderson? >> we'll continue to follow it. miguel, appreciate it. elsewhere, a deadly ebola outbreak is spreading, as health teams on the ground rush to try to deal with the contagious disease. we have details, ahead. movie phone evil prince bollywood 3d shark attack ned the head 5% cashback signup for 5% cashback on movies through september. it pays to discover. in here, every powerful collaboration is backed by an equally powerful and secure cloud. that cloud is in the network,
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anderson will be back in a moment. here's a "360 news and business bulletin." the death news in the uganda ebola outbreak has climbed to 16. there are also three dozen suspected cases. health officials are urging people not to gather in large groups in hopes of stopping the spread of the highly contagious virus. a "360" follow-up, billionaire heir hans christian rousing has pleaded guilty to preventing the lawful and decent burial of his wife, ava. according to news reports, she likely died in april, but her body wasn't found in their london mansion until last month after police were stopped by police on the suspicion of driving under the influence. on the driving offense, rausing was also pleaded guilty. the couple fought drug addiction for years. u.s. stocks fell after the federal reserve said it wouldn't change its policies right now, even though new data suggests the u.s. economy is slowing. the dow sank 37 points, the
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time for the ridiculist. and tonight, there is joy throughout the land, because it has finally happened, people. we are go for launch of what is bound to be the best reality show ever. that is right. our favorite teen bride, twitter poet, and ambassador of love, courtney stodden is doing a freaking reality show. a quick refresher. with the blessing of her parents, courtney at age 16 married doug hutchinson, but courtney is clearly the star here. ever since she erupted into our consciousness, like mt. vesooubs itself, we have been waiting for this day. she tweets, and i quote, "fyi, stoddennistas," and there's some
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apost apo apostrow fee abuse going on there, "packing up and heading out to shoot a reality show, love you all, xxx, god bless, courtney". speaking of that "x," remember when she made that veggie video? >> they're sexy, aren't they? >> memories. see, we are super excited about courtney's reality show, because we have a pretty good idea what it's going to look like. the details of the show, they're being kept secret, but for instance, we already know what her typical day is like. >> a typical day for me is crazy, let me tell you. i get up out of bed and the sexiest outfit you've ever seen, my hair is done, my makeup's done. >> and maybe the reality show will have singing and pink dogs and boats! ♪ don't put it on me, girl
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♪ don't put it on me girl, no ♪ don't put it on me ♪ don't, don't, don't >> we didn't show you the pink dog, but there was a little dog that had been dyed pink. she says she's taping the show for the next three weeks or so. fortunately, no holidays fall within that time frame, because remember courtney pulls out all the stops for the holidays. some parent who is took their kids to said pumpkin patch thought courtney and doug's pda was just inappropriate. the halloween scrooges also reportedly took issue with the way courtney was dressed. after multiple complaints, she got thrown out. now, poor courtney, she had no other choice but to walk her festive stripper boots right out of there and show off her pumpkins on the side of the road. there are other photos, but we can't show them on tv. they show a little too much crack-o-lantern. we've done about 50 ridiculists on courtney stodden. this will not be the last one.
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but there's one thing that's for sure about courtney's reality show. but no matter what, it will be 100% real. >> my breasts are real, everything about me is real. my hair is real, my teeth are real, my eyelashes are real. my breasts are totally real. >> she said that twice. i would have to say that the main reason that i'm personally looking forward to the reality show is because maybe, just maybe, it will give us new insight into the enigma, real, that is courtney stodden. her goals, hers separation aspi yes, maybe even an answer to the question that has plagued us for more than a year now, what in the name of all that is holy is she doing with her face in this clip. >> people are welcome to their opinions. that's what the world is about. if they need to feel this way, that's theirs to hold. not ours.
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