situation? of course tactical teams will do their sweeps. they want to make sure that there is not another gunman. they don't believe that there is one at this point. police chief pointed that out. they said sometimes it is the same report from multiple people so you may think that the is another gunman. but according to this chief, no. it is the top of the hour. i'm don lemon, along with debra feyerick and rob marciano. we're covering this breaking news that's happening in oak creek, wisconsin. it happened earlier this morning around 10:25 local time which is central time. the latest information that we know, seven people are dead, three of them we are told outside of that temple. that was just told to us at a press conference a short time ago by the police chief. four inside the temple. that 911 call came in 10:25 a.m. local time. the suburb we are talking about, milwaukee. suburb of milwaukee called oak creek. >> the caller said at the time that one gunman had entered the

temple and started shooting multiple people at that point were shot. people were trained side we presume that they are still trapped inside. many of them may well be women and children gathering before a larger gathering later on in the morning. a short time ago police gave us an update, telling us that police officer engaged with the gunman that was outside. that police officer was shot several times. 's currently being treated at a local hospital but he managed to get off another shots to that gunman and kill him, or at least put him down. that gunman is presumed dead outside the temple. at this point what we still don't know is if there is another shooter inside that temple. police tactical teams are inside trying to make sweeps and contain this situation. the word that the police say is that they had the situation contained. that doesn't mean that it's cleared or deemed safe.

three people, as you mentioned, three men being treated at local area hospitals. >> we don't know anything about the shooter. there were some initial reports. those have not been confirmed. some people have said it is possibly terrorism. again we don't know that at this point. we don't know what the motivation was at this point. as we were saying here, the gentleman was saying -- i think there was a little bit talking about muslims after 9/11. sikhs are not muslims. we know that. so we will find out that information. it could be a member of the congregation. it could be just someone who went on a bend. it could be someone who had a beef with the sikh community. we don't know that at this point. until we know that, until we find out some information about it, that's when we will get to that point. but as far as this point in the investigation, imagine being inside the temple and waiting for your family members outside of the temple when you know that a gunman has gone on a rampage and has started shooting people and killing people, one of them

a police officer. o the reason we are still continuing to cover this, tactical teams are still in the perimeter of the building and they have been doing multiple sweeps. they say until they do a number of sweeps and they feel confident that there are no other shooters inside the building they don't believe that they are, but until they feel 100% confident they have this secure, they will not allow others into the building. they're doing those tactical sweeps as we speak. ten seven people are dead and they believe one is a shooter. >> our affiliates have been doing a great job informing us. let's listen in on wisn's coverage. >> you worked the overnight shift on saturday, then you come here to the temple and you did. that's what happened. >> yeah. >> and you left at what time this morning? >> i think it was around 10:00 in the morning.

it was around 10:00. >> maybe it was just before 10:00. >> yeah. because this incident happened right when we reach home, take like five minutes. as soon as i reach, i make a call. somebody told me shooting happening in the temple. >> as soon as you got home, you realized -- >> yeah, just after five minutes. i maybe would have been me, it would have been him. as you told me, seven people have been positive including the shooter. this is very bad news, very terrible news for our society, of the people, who knows their relatives, maybe mother an father. this is bad. >> lot of folks are gathering around as you and i speak here. we can pan off perhaps and look at some of the people who are gathered here awaiting word, awaiting more information. >> we want police to be brought

outside to police can capture the killer. we wish that. >> it sounds like just moments before this happened you were here. >> i stay with him. same thing. >> like him, you left right before this happened. >> same. same time. yeah. >> we were together. >> give me a sense for what -- were you going to -- did you have any intention of coming back here or were you done for the day here? >> this is what we always do on sunday morning, every indian go to temple for pray. like regular pray. like regular sunday morning. >> if you had just been here perhaps five minutes later -- >> i'm simply -- like i'm -- this is very depressing news. i'm sorry for that it happened to but maybe it could have been me or him. >> an absolutely horrific scene out here. thank you for taking the time to talk to us. thank you, sir, as well. let's pan off if we can again just to show you what's been taking place throughout the day here. this is the staging area several

blocks from the temple itself. this is where in addition to the reporters family members have been gathering throughout the day. it's also where people who would have ordinarily been coming here for prayer services that run -- okay, now to our affiliate witi, they are talking to someone who has a relative inside of the temple. >> -- service would be happening. what would he be doing at that point? >> we have like singing prayers going on. he's in the part of those that goes on. >> you were saying family at the hospital right now awaiting word on your uncle. >> they are on the way. i don't know if they were already there. they were on the way the last i heard. >> were you told at that same moment of the seven people killed, were you informed at that moment and what was the scene out here? i was focused on the press conference. >> scene was people just -- it was kind of sigh of relief.

nobody know how many deceased. people was thinking they were still hurt. when that news came out, my heart sank down, you know? it's bad. >> the heart's still sinking down. >> yeah, still, everybody's kind of shook up. >> of those seven, you said you only know this one person killed. do you know of any ages of the other people -- >> same information you got. same information we have. right now we don't know other names who, if there are any ladies or how many guys. >> thank you so much. as you're hearing, an agonizing time for that family right now still waiting word on the condition of his uncle. he was the man who gave us all of this information in the beginning. one of the first people out here who actually made a call inside of that templewho spoke with a

head priest in there who gave us information about people being shot, others lying on the ground, others hiding. >> witi, we're being told right now that president obama has been notified of the situation. i would imagine we'd get some sort of comment from the white house at some point but the situation remains this -- that tactical forces from the police department are inside this facility, 17,000-foot temple south of milwaukee, by about nine miles. a sikh temple. in the community of oak creek. where a gunman opened fire earlier today. seven confirmed dead, one of those is the gunman who lays outside. right now police are doing a complete sweep inside. obviously tending to some of the victims as well that remain inside by trying to sweep that building to make sure that there isn't a second gunman. they have the situation contained at least having it inside that but they want to make sure that they can clear that buding such that medical personnel can then get into that temple and attend to the

survivors of this horrific event. >> just to tell you how it went down, 10:25 central time they said that the police department received multiple calls, that there was a shooting inside of this temple, it was in oak creek there. they said just about 20 mites -- just a few minutes later, a 20-year veteran of the police department was on scene at this temple. they said that that veteran officer exchanged gunfire with the shooter, and they said that gunman was taken down, they believe, when he exchanged gunfire, but the gunman also did shoot the officer multiple times. that officer now is in critical condition at a hospital. we know -- we don't know which of the victims among the three the officer is because according to the hospital, three people were at the hospital, multiple gunshot wound to the face, abdomen and also some to the extrem tiz ities of their bodie we don't know which of the three

he was talking to. some had gunshot wound to the abdomen, some to the head, some to the extremities and at least one had wounds in both places, the two ectremties and also to the head as well. we do know as they make these tactical sweeps, as rob marciano said, seven people are dead, one of them believed to be the shooter at this temple. we'll continue to follow this. i'm don lemon. rob marciano is here. deb feyerick in new york. details on the other side of this quick break. down here, folks measure commitment by what's getting done. the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through.

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welcome back to our breaking news coverage of the temple shooting just outside of milwaukee, wisconsin. rob marciano here, don lemon as well, deb feyerick in new york. we're trying to get more information as it comes along. it's an active scene where police tactical forces are inside this facility that's a sikh temple with a rather large congregation of upwards of 500 people. this morning women and children were gathering for kind of a pre-show, so to speak, before they had this big congregation meal later on in the day. the shooting itself took place roughly around 10:15 or 10:20 local time. >> i think it is important to point out, we've also heard from people who were witnesses, at least family members, i should say, who have been on air, that women and children were going to

this meal first, this celebration. most of them had arrived. as many as 300 to 400 people can show up for this. all of them had not arrived yet. we should tell that you in the area another temple that's close is taking precautions, beefing up police presence there in the aftermath. just as a precaution, again. i am very emphatic about this -- we had someone on talking about what it could be and it may very well be that but we don't know yet. police say specifically no word of a motive at this point. and until -- unless an until we know a motive or we hear from someone who was on the scene or directly involved in this investigation, we cannot speculate about anything about terrorism, about whatever problem this gunman may have had with the sikh community, if at all. it could just be a deranged

person. we don't know until this plays out. also initially it didn't look very much -- you're not seeing very much of an active scene. that's because initially police were asking people on the scene who were inside of this temple to be careful about information that they were releasing to their loved ones to people on the outside, because it was an active hostage negotiation at that point that they believe. they were asking the media to be careful about showing overhead live video or taking live feeds of this particular scene because they didn't nknow who may have witnessed an active shooting and who wants to see that live on television an they were also trying to get people out of that temple. we saw women an children being escorted out in an armored vehicle. again this officer who confronted the gunman right after the 911 call, a 20-year veteran of the police department, outside of this

temple. getting information om my producer there. he said the gunman exchanged fire with the officer and the gunman was taken down. they believe the gunman is dead, they said they believe, this a press conference. then they said that the officer was taken to the hospital with multiple gunshot wound. we know from that hospital that three people are there in critical been, all three people are in critical condition. described and gunshot wound to the head and face, extremities and abdomen. the indian embassy is telling cnn -- we have seen reports on the tragic incident earlier today of firing at a group of worshippers at a guawara in the milwaukee suburb oak creek, wisconsin. the embassy has been in touch with the national security council in washington, d.c. our consulate general in

chicago, too, has been in close touch with the local authorities to monitor the situation. an official has been deputized to visit the site to ascertain the situation on the spot and as we know we are being told as well the president of the united states has been notified of the situation in wisconsin as well. >> don, it is such a large congregation. they built this in the 90s. as it grew, people of this faith would actually move to oak creek solely based on this temple. it's grown since then. >> as you said, as we've been talking about this particular temple, it's hindu sikh. the gentleman who was on earlier speaking to us from the council on religion and education, the chairman of the sikh council on

religion and education, saying after 9/11, that the sikh faith has often been confused with muslims and terrorism. we know that. we're very aware of that. but again, as we said, we don't want to speculate on any of that now until we find out exactly what's going on. we don't even know who the gunman is. deb feyerick in new york. what can you tell us at this point? >> well, don and rob, the police chief has described the situation as very fluid and they don't know the actual victim count. they don't even know how many suspects, how many gunmen may have been involved in this. they do know that calls came in, 911 calls came in, about 10:20 and an officer responding to the scene actually encountered the gunman, and in their words, put him down. he is 1 of 3 people who was shot outside of that sikh temple. four people were also shot inside that temple and killed. these are four people shot and killed inside, three people shot

an kill outside, including the gunman. tactical units inside the building right now going through the building, attending victims as they sort of move forward, as they do their sweep. and we've got chris voss is on the phone, he's an fbi negotiator -- former hostage negotiator. chris, we're told multiple units, multiple s.w.a.t. teams from different sheriff's and police departments are there. what is going on inside that building? how are they conducting the sweep especially since they don't know if there's another gunman in there? >> well, if they've got more than one s.w.a.t. teams at the scene they're probably dividing up external duties. there is a chance one team is providing security on the inner perimeter. they can really only have one team from one agency inside because they're going to be in the same frequency and they'll have trained together the most. the real challenge for them as they go together with this is a combination of a couple other things. first, if there is a second

gunman or other gunmen hiding inside twlb are so many places they can hide. ittingly enough, they can hide in the ceiling. so as they're clearing rooms, they have to be conscious of lookinup as well as looking down and all around. when you're focused straight ahead, remembering to look straight up and check the ceiling panels for somebody hiding makes it a very slow and deliberate process. the other thing that will be a challenge for them if there are additional gunmen, it's not uncommon for gunmen to hide among victims and pretend to be a victim themselves. they'll be coming across people that are very traumatized. there is a distinct possibility they're going to come across more wounded, and in this chaos there may be a gunman hiding with the victims. so they can't make any assumptions about anyone they encounter, as to whether or not they're a rick tvictim or poten a gun plan.

then they identify them to the perimeter so they don't dentally let a gunmen get away because they've been mistaken as victims. >> chris, there's got to be so much going on inside. you had women and children and men, they were feepg forprepari for a service at 11:30. when we think of the condition of the people inside, they've got to be terrified. how do the s.w.a.t. teams deal with them as well? >> they are fair tide. many s.w.a.t. teams have taken the time to get actual first responder negotiation training because this is a time when the power of their voices is powerful as any other possible weapon that they may use and they need to speak to these people in a very firm and calming voice and they need the people to comply with the instructions that they're given which can be very difficult with someone who's terrified and has felt like they've been running for their life or they're hiding for their life. well trained s.w.a.t. teams

generally have some sort of hostage negotiation training in addition to their tactical training so they can deal with people face to face in exactly this type of situation. >> clearly the timeline in this is going to be very interesting also to be investigated, four people shot and killed inside, then three people shot and killed outside, including the gunman. so again, if there was somebody inside, that would change certainly the dynamic of what would be happening. right? >> yes. and that's one of the things they're dealing with now, because it sounds like they have evidence of shootings in multiple locations. and until they've completely cleared the scene, they don't know because of that that there weren't multiple shooters. they have to proceed very deliberately and they're being very careful what they say about the situation because it is still a possibility. >> don lemon? >> hey, mr. voss, i think it is important to talk about this. as the accounts are coming in, we are hearing that witnesses keep saying shooters, shooters.

and the witnesses may believe that there are multiple shooters inside othis temple. the officer, police chief who ca out, says they believe it is only one person. in these sorts of situations, why does that happen? obviously possibly there could be more than one shooter but the officer said they don't believe it at this point. >> well, you don't know the exact sequence of the events of the shootings. if the shooter had engaged someone outside, went inside and shot some people and then went back outside to engage the police officer that was first on the scene -- >> mr. voss, i hate to cut you off -- stand by. we'll get back to you. we want to go back to our affiliate. they're speaking to someone who was inside of the temple. >> have you -- you've been on the premises though. you've been there? >> no, i've been on the -- the people who was inside the premises, they're in the basement. police are interviewing all those people. we just talk to the people who were there. >> you talked to the people who

were inside directly. police right now sounds like in the process -- >> some people. even they saw the casualties with eyes and they saw the people on the ground. we talked to them. >> people who witnessed that. >> so apparently this gentleman has been talking to people who were inside of the temple and what he says, that the people who witnessed it are in the basement of the temple now being interviewed by police officers. let's get back to christopher voss, a former fbi hostage negotiator. talk about why the witnesses will say shooters, police are saying they believe one shooter. >> well, the witnesses -- one single shooter could haven gauged in multiple shootings in multiple locations inside the temple. it would have been natural for multiple people to see the same person multiple times. it is very difficult for descriptions to match up because of the chaos so it would be easy for them to think that there was

more than one shooter or even if a shooter who's firing so many rounds at one time. there's no trauma like having to run for your life and being shot automatic and it is very easy for people to mistake one shooter as multiple shooters. >> thank you very much, mr. voss. thank you. deb will stand by. deb, and our viewers, i want to let you know, listening to the witnesses, they're saying the first person, deb, to see the shooter was a 10-year-old. that's according to a family member of one of the witnesses. as we have been reporting here, women and children were here first. they have already arrived for this large meal to take place and the men were going to arrive a little bit later. 300 to 400 people usually show up for this service, and imagine the shock of showing up to a peaceful place of worship and then having this incident happen. we also want to tell you, we don't know about the gunman.

the gunman believed to be dead, according to police. seven people, four found inside, three dead found outside. one of the dead found outside they believe is the shooter. three people taken to local hospitals right now. in critical condition with severe wound, multiple gunshot wound to the face, to the abdomen, to the extremities, all of them are being treated at this point. continuing breaking news coverage of the temple shooting moments away.

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exactly what that entails and it's -- it may take some time. >> we're starting to get more information now as the day moves on now. we are getting more context about what happened inside of this temple as this shooting occurred. deb feyerick, we're getting information and hearing that maybe 50 people inside when the shooting started. we're told it was 10:30 local time. there may have been more people inside had it been a little bit later. the community and temple leaders we're told now are heading to the hospital. they said they were asked -- these are witnesses who were on the scene. had there been any problems at the temple recently? they say no. again these witness accounts are starting to come in. >> right, exactly. and what you've got right now is you have a number of people who were inside the temple. they're being questioned by investigators, by authorities, who were there. the tactical units. numerous tactical units responded from various

municipalities. there was a sweecp of the building, not only tending to victims but also searching for gunmen inside the building. they don't know how many actual victims there have been, they don't know how many gunmen there may be. you have tactical units searching every nook and corner, even searching the ceilings to make sure nobody's hiding. they have sequestered a number of folks who were in there at the time this all happened and they're interviewing them to find out what they may know how this man came in. they've got to piece everything together so they can create a timeline. we do know four people were shot and killed inside of that temple. three others shot and killed outside of the temple, including the alleged gunman. we are told that a police officer who was the first one to respond to that 911 call that

first came in, that he engaged the shooter and presumably shot him dead. the police officer at the hospital right now in critical condition, operated on. he is in surgery. and so all of this really kind of dramatically happening. and the sikh community, a number of them saying that they did feel that there was a vulnerability, that they didn't feel 100% safe but the one place that they thoht they could feel safe obviously was their temple. right now authorities just trying to conduct this investigation and it is going to be very thorough investigation. nothing right now coming out on the gunman, though earlier reports was that he was a white bald man and not clear whether there were one or more shooters. a man with a heavy build. sleeveless t-shirt. that's how one of the gunmen was described. now they've got to rule out whether there was a second gunman or anybody else that may have been involved as an accomplice. >> everyone we've had come out, we want to point out -- people

get this community confused with muslim. they're not muslim. he pointed out they're hindi sikh. the muslim community sending out a statement condemning the shooting at this sikh temple. to get back to what's going on inside, we saw live pictures of women who were going somewhere, either to a command center or trying to get their loved ones in the parking lot of this temple. they said they don't believe -- these are according to witnesses who have appeared on our affiliates' air. they don't believe any children were shot. they said when the shooting started some of the women were cooking lunch. stoves were on. you heard that reporter said something about gas. that may have something to do with that. some of the women hid in the closet for about an hour. they believe everyone may be out of the temple now. one person we heard earlier saying that the people who were still inside, the witnesses, were in the basement of this temple being interviewed by police officers. some of the leaders from the

temple outside. they have just come to the command center and i imagine after they go to the command center an they talk to officers and get in touch with their loved ones they will be speaking to the media. the women an children are out, they believe. 20 to 25 women, about a half dozen children, they say. they got out about an hour ago in the basement of a bowling alley downstairs in this temple, they believe. the injured of course being taken to the hospital. so the specifics about what happened inside that temple are starting to come out now. as deb said, there were reports of a gunman who was balding and what have you, but we don't know who this gunman is, what his motivation is, why this all happened, and as this plays out, we will continue to talk about that. the investigation will play out. the story will unfold and we'll figure out why -- maybe. there's never a good reason why any of this happened.

>> at the time according to the leaders that have gather outside the command center, about 50 people, they would guess, would be inside around that time on a typical sunday. the women in the kitchen there cooking up lunch and some of those now being escorted out of the building through the basement and we're just trying to get some final tallies as to how many were injured. we know how many perished and that would be six people within that temple -- or two people inside, four outside and one other the actual shooter being dwun gunned down by the police officer on the gun. >> four shot outside. >> we need to check on survivors and -- >> you saw the overhead video

from the chopper, people rushing out of that temple and are glad to get out but know that their friends and their family members and loved ones are still inside of that temple. deb, we spoke to former hostage negotiator a little bit earlier today, just a couple minutes ago, we were talking about one shooter, two shooters, we don't exactly know. i'm getting e-mails from people talking about gun rights, nra, people talking about terrorism, we don't know that yet. what we do know is the only information that we know for sure is what this police chief who came out about 30 minutes ago gave us. he said he believes there are seven people dead at this point and he thinks one of them is the shooter. so we're not sure of the motivation and the motivation could be with this shooter forever who is presumed dead at this point. >> don, what's so interesting as i've been looking into the whole gun debate recently. you look at the debate going on in the country -- >> it's way too early for that,

right? >> it's way too early to say that, but the one thing is this -- and just to stress it. it is not just guns. but if somebody wants to go and do something crazy or hateful or hurtful, they're going to do it whether they own a legal gun or whether they own an illegal gun. it's not just about sort of the gun debate in the country but it is also about the state of mental health in the country as well. but think about this community, don. this was a temple that started back in 1997 with just 20, 25 families. it grew to such an extent that they were able to build this big facility, 17,000 square feet, with upwards of 400 people who were attending and you think about the joy and the sense of belonging and place and coming to a community on a sunday morning. preparing a meal, having festivities so that you could join in celebration with members of your community. and for this to happen, to really be gunned down in a place

that's supposed to be safe, that supposed to be where you belong, it's really -- it's shocking as to why this particular community was targeted. and the time that they were targeted as well. >> so terribly sad and on the heels of that aurora massacre just two weeks ago. so another senseless act where innocent people losing their lives and innocent women and children in a terrifying situation right now. >> when we have situations like this, especially when it involves something that -- when it involves a place of worship, when it involves a particular religious group, we had someone on a little bit earlier talking about this particular religious group and talking about muslims. of course we know, this group is not muslim. but it can get muddled in the wags wh situation when these details are coming out. i wanted him to clarify that.

he could not hear me so we let him go on the phone. but we don't want to get bogged down in murky details and speculation about something that we have no -- that has no basis in fact right now. we don't know if this has anything to do with terrorism. it very well could. >> well, he was expressing the fear that that community has felt for the past ten or so years since 9/11. that's certainly valid. but the motive for this and the cause and what this deranged man is unbeknownst to us. >> he did say hindu sikh but that's not muslim or -- you're right, he was expressing a sentiment but that sentiment i think is better expressed by the folks who are coming out of this situation and who are involved in it and once we know if that had anything to do with it, then these people will speak about that and we can go into those details. it is appropriate to talk about

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hello, everyone. don lemon here with rob marciano, deb feyerick covering this story from new york for us as well. 3:44 eastern time. what we learned this morning at about 10:15 central time, a gunman walked into to a temple and started shooting, seven people are dead, including that gunman, we believe. police say the gunman is presumed dead outside the temple. three of those people were found dead outside of this temple, four found dead inside the temple. the 911 call again coming in just after 10:00 a.m. in the milwaukee suburb of oak creek. here's what the caller said to

911 that at least one gunman entered this temple and started shooting. police also say that when the officer arrived, a 20-year veteran of the police department, that he exchanged gunfire with the gunman. the gunman was shot and is down, they say, presumed dead. the officer shot in this multiple gunshot wounds, taken to the hospital. people were trapped inside of this building. some of them are children. just a short time ago, again, police updated us talking about the number of people who were shot and injured in all of this. our affiliate wtmj -- are we going to them now? >> they've been talking to some family members. >> it seems like you're trying to piece together information from what you're hearing from those who you know inside, from law enforcement, from each other. do you have some perspective now on exactly who it was that lost

their life and who was wounded? do you think that you've been able to kind of confirm who those people are? you don't need to say their names on tv. but do you know who they are? >> yeah. yes. i know who they are. we -- every sunday, even some time thursday we are there in the temple and we all together and pray. and these are -- >> does it get more difficult when you go from hearing that there was a shooting, not knowing hot people are who were hit, wounded, and lost their lives, to now hearing who those people are, does it get more difficult as the time goes on here? >> yeah. it's very -- it's very difficult time. we still don't know who's there inside and who is the families, some that are hurt. so far i heard like 25 people.

is hurt. >> 25 people are hurt or were side? >> inside, they're hurt. >> just to be clear, you believe 25 people -- >> somebody said that. but like i said, i really cannot confirm. nobody going to go inside yet. >> is that part of the struggle here is not knowing the information about who's hurt and where people are and how badly they're hurt? >> yeah. it's really badly -- the time is right now -- it's only -- i would say we just only pray to the god. only that can we think. until i hope everything should be over. >> as we mentioned, you're the secretary, one of the leaders of this temple. what can you tell us about the time that this occurred and when the most number of people would have been inside? this happened really before the main services began. >> yeah. like 11:00 or 11:30, the service

start. actually in the morning, like 9:00 or 9:30. then we have like a couple hours, then 11:30 start with the devotions. then we have last three days of our holy book will start to -- >> this would have been going on you're saying during a continuous reading of the holy book? >> continue for three days. so which is somewhere around i think about -- they're very close to be the finish. i don't -- >> around the time the shooting happened, i think it was close to being completely read. >> so the holy book reading was almost complete when the shooting occurred? >> yeah. it takes about 48 hours. the shooting occurred around 10:30, that's usually when they finish on a sunday morning. that's a morning service that we have for the closing reading of the -- of our holy book.

>> are you one of the leaders of the temple? >> i help out there. i'm part of the congregation. >> i understand. one of the big questions is we're waiting to hear if any children are among the victims. do you know the answer to that question? >> i don't but i heard that lot of them got out recently. that's the word that i've heard. really can't confirm reports right now. >> there's so many questions. what are the main questions that you're hoping to get answers for at this time? >> i guess question we have, is this a hate drim? i me crime? what did we do wrong? since 9/11 we've had small attacks on the community. they've been so small they don't make really a splash in the major media. there's -- i mean recently in april this year they passed a law to document sikh hate crimes. for a long time we were considered part of hindu

religion. they passed a law in april this year to document just sikh hate crimes. so the figures mightome out recently after that, but yeah, immediate question is what did we do wrong? was this a mad man? was this just a guy who flipped? did he hate us for appearance? those are major questions. if it was a random act of violence -- there is no consolation in any of this. >> we don't want to get too far into speculation. you mentioned there have been other attacks that you are aware of. is it something where people in some ways are in fear of going to worship or is it the kind of thing where you believe it won't happen here and you don't -- you feel at peace going to your place of worship? >> like if you look at columbine and the recent shooting with the batman opening these are random acts of violence. i don't think people are afraid to go back. i don't think anybody is afraid

to go back. that is a temple. you have to remember this is -- >> and i think that gentleman was making a good point and the point we have been making. we don't know if it is a random act of violence. there is never a good reason for anything like this to happen. we should not be speculating about what caused this, whether it is terrorism or anything else. we don't know if they were upset with anyone at the temple or anything like that. police are not releasing any information. they probably don't know at this point what the gunman's motive was. they do believe the gunman is among the dead, one of seven people dead. it is interesting in these situations i think this is a point where we will learn -- it is a learning point for everyone. we learn more about this particular religion and the fears of people who -- of americans who live here that many don't know much about.

earlier when we had a gentleman on who was going into what happens, the religion, the fear, terrorism, too early to speculate. we will provide some context about what was happening at this particular temple when this shooting went down. we are going to talk to him in moments. all we know now is folks are coming out and seven people are dead. >> and the situation seemingly contained. and back to your religious point. not hindu, not muslim. for those who want to know more and learn more about the sikh religion we have someone who is in our atlanta studios that is going to shed some light on that. i would like to go -- >> we'll go to a quick break and gather our thoughts and information here. don lemon in atlanta. we are getting new details. we are hearing from witnesses that are starting to come out

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this is cnn breaking news. >> news coverage of a temple shooting in wisconsin. we are being told seven people are dead. among them police believe is the shooter. they are telling us that three

people in the hospital are in critical condition with multiple gunshot wounds to different parts of the body. one of those at the hospital a police officer who confronted the gunman and shot him and the quote from officers put him down presumed dead. >> this is at a sikh temple south of milwaukee. we were heang from some of the temple leaders there earlier from our affiliate. they were telling us what a typical weekend would be for them with 48 hour prayers and women and children gathering before a larger meal. we are learning more about this religion slowly. we want to glean some of that information to you. so we have called in an expert here in atlanta. he joins us from our studios.

my condolences to the sikh community. a horrible day for your people. we thank you for coming in. can you just give us the basis for your religion? i heard you during the break pronounce it differently. pronounce it correctly for me and tell me the basis of your religion. >> the sikhism was born in india. in 1699 when we came into existence. but we called it guru d nanak, the first guru. it was led by him as a community. >> what are your basic believes? on a typical weekend we heard church leaders speak about a 48 hour prayer reading that would

be concluding earlier this morning. is that typical across the world in temples on a typical weekend? describe for us how a worship schedule would go on a sunday. >> all of those guruests we call from where we get the light. the holy book is the living guru. and every sunday there is a prayer throughout the word including the united states of america. and the 48-hour citing of the book is not in every church but it is happening in some but not in every. usually we sit