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landings in history. but for now, all eyes on this. the very first video of the curiosity landing, released today. the grainy video was shot onboard moments before touching down. john zarrella and chad myers join me now for more. so, john, let's start with you. you have been following the story very closely and are live at nasa's jetropulsion laboratory in california. tell us about this new veo and what exactly are we seeing? >> reporter: well, in fact, zoraida, what we're seeing in this video are images taking from the descent camera, made by space industries down in san diego. and the video shows the curiosity rover as it is descending down through the atmosphere to the touchdown on mars. it was 297 images all put together into one continuous short video. and then there was the haz cam

image. they finally did get a higher resolution picture which shows mt. sharp in the distance. and that mt. sharp is, of course, critical what they are hoping to do is get over to mt. sharp eventually and they can look back in history at the history of mars. and i believe the news conference has begun out here at the jet propulsion laboratory and we do expect to get some new pictures coming in from this press conference. >> mechanism is in fine shape, but it was not quite pointed accurately enough at the earth for us to get the telecom signal that we wanted. now, we've looked at that pointing as a parameter that we can set. there's a little bias in the pointing and the telecom folks and the tenna mechanism folks have taken a look at that and had a correction for that bias. we're going to send that up with our next command load and establish direct to earth communications via this antenna on tomorrow. okay. next thing that happened

yesterday was the anything of some science observations. we turned on the rad instrument and, in fact, the p.i. of rad, don hessler is in the audience and required rad data that the team is taking a close look at. we did the first sensor calibrations for the rims instrument and required a few minutes of rims data and that worked successfully. we then tested the molly focus mechanism and acquired our first molly image on the surface. ken, as you will talk about that just shortly here. we also took what are called dark images from our navigation cameras and the cam so the remote sensing mast, which is this mast, is folded down like this and the cameras are facing down. it allows us to take an image with no light in it to see if there's any bright pixels in there we need to sub tratract a

to get the best quality images later when deployed. those executed successfully as well. we then wanted to turn rims on and acquire additional rims data, and that test did not work correctly. the rims instrument has a lot of parameters that control the frequency of its observations, and i think they're taking a close look at ether those parameters are set the way they want to so the rim is taking a look at that right now. the sensor diagnostic that occurred earlier in the day was successful, so we think this is just a function of how their observation table parameters are set up. okay. now,he plan for tomorrowis, as i mentioned, is to establish direct to earth communications by slightly changing the pointing of the antenna and we're also going to deploy this remote sensing mast. and actually we have a video of how that should look when we did it in assembly and tests before

launch. so if we could see that video? okay. so here it is. so that is the remote sensing mast. it's quite a huge thing compared to previous missions. what you see on the top there is you see a big white box and that's actually part of the chem cam that will eventually fire lasers at rocks. contains a camera and a laser. below that is our primary imaging systems. so you see four little silver cylinders there. those are redundant navigation cameras. then in between those, you see kind of a square and a round camera and those are the space system's cameras. so those are the highest quality color imageers we have. so, of course, we want to get them up on top of the mast and get them up high.

you know, this -- you could not look this in the eye unless you were probably an nba player, and so we want to get these up high and take a good look at the h z horizon and start taking our stereo photographs and color photographs. this is one of the key activities for tomorrow is to deploy. we received enough telemetry today to say that that mechanism is go for deploy, so we see no reason that's not going to function successfully tomorrow. we're then going to take it to look back at our own deck and take a navigation camera parameter. it should be a 360, but we'll kind of start at the deck and look around. we'll also take an image from the cam of the calibration target. the calibration target. so i think that's everything for tomorrow. and i mentioned we took the first molly image yesterday. so, ken? >> and the -- you might not be able too look the mast cameras and chem cam in the eye, but the

molly can because the molly is on the end of a two-meter-long robotic arm and we can position molly any way that arm can go. we can go straight up, we can go all the way down to the ground. we can get within an inch of a rock or inch of the soil and take a close-up image that's about twice the image of the m.i. right now the arm, i guess i should just show, there's an animation. right now, the arm is stowed and the turret is stowed. the molly is pointed off the left front shoulder of the rover. that happenses to be directed north. there's the molly. there's the image we got which we put out overnight and we'll talk a little bit more abo that in a minute or so. the molly is a focusable color

camera. this is the first color image of the landscape where we've landed, and like i said, we'll talk about it some more in a second. i waited a long time for this to come back. this -- this was basically a focus test. the focus mechanism, itself, has not moved since july of last year when we were down in florida, d we've gone through all those environments of launch, cruise, edl, and the temperature cycles and does the focus still focus? and it does. now, we also have a dust cover because most of the time we don't want dust on the -- we don't want dust on the lens at all, but most the time we'll keep it closed. the first image, we'll say, keep it closed. we can focus on whether the cover is opened or closed. we thought we better keep it closed. we don't know the sta of how dusty the molly is after

landing. there's a picture of -- this is the hazard camera, the front hazard cameras. you've seen this before. the one on the -- i guess it's my left. i don't know if it's your right. there's one that's really dusty, right? that was before the hazard cameras, the dust covers popped off. then the other image is not so dusty, that's after the dust cover was removed. on the haz cams, those often stay off. on molly the cover will open and close when we want to use the molly with the cover open. so let's go to the next image and, again, this is the image that the molly took, and you can see that the cover has dust on it, and so the scene is kind of murky. it's actually somewhat pathological because we're facing north, and the sun, it's still winter there and so the sun is kind of high and sort of northwest of here. and at this time of day. and so you're just kind of getting some of that scattering off the front of the lens. so it makes it look even more

murky than it actually is. it's not a dust storm. clear day on mars. the lens is just a little dusty. one of my co-investigators said, it looks like the dust cover did what it's supposed to do. i was like, yes, it did. but the other point is, the camera did what it's supposed to do. it found focus. when you look at the image online, you will see that you an see rocks in the foreground, and you'll also notice it's kind of blocky. that's the compression, you know, because of the fuzziness on that, you know, of the dust, it sort of overcompresses it, right? if it was clean, you wouldn't see that. so it works. it's awesome. can't wait to open it and see what else we can see. >> we should are called this the dust cover test. >> the dust cover test. well, it's a focus mechanism test. we'll test the dust cover later on after we're certain we can open it. at first we'll take a look at it with the navigation cameras on the mast and stuff. i guess there's one more

picture. this was -- sort of gives you a sense of what the image looks like in context. this is digital terrain derived from topography from images from a lot of orbiters, from mars express and mars reconnaissance orbiter, all put together. then we placed the molly image in there to give you a sense of what it looks like. then we made that molly image a little bit transparent so you could actually see the stuff behind it. it all lines up real nice. so, i think i covered all my points. on to you. >> okay. so yesterday i was here to show you a fabulous image that high-rise took of curiosity coming in through the atmosphere and today i'm here with another fabulous image of curiosity on the surface. so this is a special -- this was a special sequence we did. normally mro only takes -- it rotates with -- or it rolls

within 30 degrees either direction as it's traveling across the martian surface. for this, we had to roll about 41 degrees in order to get this image. so it's not as good quality as images that we are going to get later, but we wanted to get an image of the surface as soon as possible after landing. so if we could go to the first animation. so we're zooming in on the landing site here. and the image you're going to see, actually the view as if it's tilted 45 degrees. so there's the full high-rise image. 41 degrees, we're seeing the planetary curvature. the image is a little skewed. this is what we call, you're calling the -- it's like a crime scene photo here. so this is about 39 centimeters

per pixel, and at this location, the mro orbit is about 300 kilometers above the surface. and we can see all of the components of the whole edl system. so if we could go to the -- if we could keep going. so we're zooming in. here is curiosity. that's that sort of spot at the center there is curiosity. and the dark streaks on either side, that's where the bright dust has been removed or disturbed as in the course of landing. and one thing that's really great about this, we predicted the position by looking at these dust streaks, we can figure out what orientation we think msl, or curiosity, is, and if you keep going, you can see we have knowledge from -- oh, we don't have it on this one.

okay. we have knowledge from msl, itself, and it matches up just perfectly. so it's a really nice feeling when you have -- you're getting the same information from orbit as you're getting from the ground and that really makes you feel very good. this is the parachute and the backshell, and you can see as you look, you know, as you look closely at this, you can see some of the features on the parachute that you were able to see in the edl image. you know, the nice -- the bands. this -- all of these images, again, because of this angle that we took this image at, it's looking through a larger column, a longer column of atmosphere. so there's a lot more dust that we have to look through in order to see these. and also from the, you know, looking at the dust covers on the various cameras on curiosity, we know that a lot of

dust was kicked up over the course of these events. so hopefully in our future images we'll be able to get even better, more detail in these. so if you go to the next one, and, again, the dark -- the dark areas here are where the bright dust has been removed. so i think next is going to the heat shield. and so you an see the heat shield and, again, disturbance around the heat shield. and if you could keep going. and finally, the sky crane. so this pattern is consistent with an oblique impact. so coming in as your -- the dark area is sort of downrange of the impact. this is what we see if we had, you know, meteorite impacts

forming, craters on the surface of planetary bodies and this is the same sort of pattern that you get. and if you could keep going. and we don't know -- we're still looking at all the details of what's going on. you know, this image was taken at about 10:30 last night pacific time, and, you know, then it takes several hours to get it down and to the high-rise team and processed. so we're still -- we're still looking at the details here. i have some distances for you here. the distance between the curiosity rover and the heat shield is about 1,200 meters. the distance from the rover to the backshell parachute area is about 615 meters. and then to the sky crane is 650 meters. so just to try and give you a sense of perspective here.

so we are next taking an image five days from now is the next time that we're able to take an image of this area. and this one we are going to be able to target with the updated koord nance of where we know it was taken. we were targeting the very center of the landing. this is where we thought we'd get to from before we got there, basically. so we're hoping that in the next few weeks we'll be able to get a couple more images of this area. we're going to try for some color in this area as well. so that should be very exciting, so stay tuned for that. thanks. >> all right. thank you, sarah, thank you to all our panelists. >> you've been listening to a press conference nasa's having on opportunity landing on mars. we're going to go back to john zarrella now and talk about this. john, this is what i gathered from this press conference, that everything is working the way

it's supposed to be working, that they're very excited about these images that they've received. i thought ken edgitt, senior research scientist there, actually got a little emotional. am i right? >> reporter: yeah, you know, he's been working with malin space systems down in san diego for quite a while, and, you know, one of the crowning glories for them for this flight is the descent imager. we talked about that before the press conference started. that's the one that got the images of curiosity going through the atmosphere and as it approached, you know, very much apollo-like pictures as it approached the surface. and the story behind that, zoraida, is that a few years ago nasa, to save money, decided they were going to scrap it. they weren't going to finish the project. there wouldn't be a descent imager. edgitt and mike malin said, you know what, we're going to finish it on our own and make sure it's

on there. they did with their own nickel. that's why we ended up getting those tremendous images. the ones today that we're seeing that they keep showing were taken -- the ones from above -- speccular black and whites taken from the mars reconnaissance orbiter flying overhead. the same orbiter that gave us the picture yesterday that showed curiosity going through the atmosphere, the parachute deployed and curiosity on the end of it. so now they've been able to image with mro not just cure wr curiosity on the ground but the sky crane, where that fell, where the backshell fell, where the heat shield fell, where the parachute fell. all these things all in relation to where curiosity is on the ground. as you heard sarah talking about there, they expect within the next few days they'll even get more images and perhaps some colored pictures. so they're really teasing us right now for some of the spectacular images that are likely to come.

zoraida? >> i have to tell you, they're doing a wonderful job. we're as excited as they were at this stage of the game. i want to bring chad in. i may have called it opportunity earlier. of course we're talking about curiosity here. chad, if you can tell us, mars is approximately 155 million miles from the u.s., from here on earth. how long does it actually take from the time that they take those pictures for us to actually get them here? >> as the signal leaves mars, it takes 14 light minutes to get here. about 11 million miles for one light minute. do the division and you have about 14 minutes. so that means when we send a signal back to curiosity to do something, it's going to take 14 minutes for it to do it. and then if it takes a picture, another 14 minutes to send that picture back. so if you're talking about that taking a picture, that's one thing, but when you talk about it moving, or driving along the landscape not trying to fall into a small hole or hitting a rock or hitting a bump, that's why it's such a slow process. you move it a couple feet, you

wait 20 minutes. you move it another couple feet, wait another 20 minutes for the images to come back. as mars rotates around, as earth makes its rotation around the sun, those distances will change and those minutes will change because mars is on a completely different planetary orbit as the earth. >> and for all of us lay people out here, how do we control the rover? is it controlled partly from earth? how does that actually function? >> wouldn't that be great, sometimes you have the webcams at home you can control them on the beach. wouldn't it be great if you had a controller at home and could do it? >> would be fabulous. >> hey, it's your day to control the curiosity. no, that will be done from jpl. all those instruments, all those things are done at a very slow process right now. i know we're very impatient, we want to get pictures. >> i know. bring them now. >> they don't want to blow fuses. everything nice and slow and methodical. do one thing at a time. raise the mast. raise the cameras. the cameras we're seeing here are mounted on the front of the

vehicle. the cameras we are seeing were the avoidance cameras, so it doesn't run into something it didn't know was there. that's all we have for you today. >> you always want to think there's some way to control it from here as well. chad myer, john zarrella, guys, thank you for bringing it back into english for us. we appreciate that. here's what we're working on for this hour. police say this man was planning a deadly attack on a movie theater playing the new batman movie. we have the latest on this unbelievable story. and the man who gunned down six people at a sikh temple is connected to white supremacist bands. we'll talk about the growing problem of hate groups in america. and we're still live from the jet propulsion lab in pasadena, california, bringing you all the new pictures from the mars rover curiosity. . design something totally original. do it again. that's good. kick out the committees.

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temple. singh died a hero. he tried to stop the gunman and his actions actually saved the lives of others. the youngest victim, 39-year-old singh. also among those killed, 41-year-old sita singh, 49-year-old ranjit singh and paramjit kapur, 41 years old, the only woman who was killed. 84-year-old suveg singh is the oldest victim. the gunman who opened fire on the sikh temple served in the military six years. a man who describes himself as an army buddy says wade michael page talked about racial holy war. the military service was marked by trouble as well. pentagon correspondent chris lawrence is driving us life nve. page was cited for patterns of

misconduct. what do you know about the kind of trouble he got into? >> zoraida, it involved alcohol. basically drinking and getting drunk while he was supposed to be on duty. that eventually led to him getting busted down from a sergeant down to a specialist and eventually the army issuing him a general discharge. that's significant in that it's a general discharge, is not as valuable. it's not as prized as an honorable discharge, but it's nowhere near as bad as a dishonorable discharge, and it comes with one big stipulation. if you get a dishonorable discharge, under federal law, you legally cannot own a firearm. whereas you don't lose that right if you get a general discharge which is what page got. >> and what can you tell us about the training that page received while he was in the military? >> yeah, he was in a psychological operations battali battalion. you've got to be fairly smart to

get into this area of service. in fact, one of the many he served with says that was one of the things he lined about page, that he was friendly but he was also a smart guy as well. they're responsible for analyzing, disseminating a lot of information in foreign lands. at his rank, probably, it was something like dropping leaflets and being involved in that sort of operation. >> all right. chris lawrence, live at the pentagon for us. thank you very much. authorities are investigating the sikh temple gunman's ties to white supremacist groups. those groups are on the rise in the united states. according to the southern poverty law center, there are more than 1,000 known hate groups operating in the united states. those include neo nazis, clansmen. the agency says hate groups have increased by 69% since 2000. that growth has been fueled by

the struggling economy, immigration, and the election of barack obama as a first african-american president. that is what they say. david gleddy worked as an undercover informant on the hate groups for the fbi and joins us from orlando, florida. thank you for being with us. you say you actually came in contact with gunman wade michael page during your undercover work with the fbi. where did you see him and what do you remember about him? >> twice up in michigan. once in lansing, michigan, and then over in ann arbor, michigan, at a neo nazi protest rally celebration and a rock 'n' roll festival for the confederate hammer skins. i remember briefly meeting him. he was with leaders of different groups. at that point, all different factions of different groups, skinheads, skin members,

anti-government militias come there. he was with one of the bands. he was setting up the instruments. he seemed to be a very likable person because of the people that hung out with him. so that was my extent of seeing him. and so -- >> let's talk about those bands. you say one of the ways hate groups appeal to young people is actually through the music. the sikh temple gunman was involved in far right punk bands. according to "the new york times," one of those times was definite hate. so let's listen to this excerpt from one of their songs. ♪ what has happened to america ♪ that was once so white and free ♪ >> boy, that's really difficult to listen to. how do those songs affect young people who may be easily swayed by these messages of hate? >> well, that brings back memories. i remember going to a events and parties and protests and hearing that same old rhetoric and it

got hard to smile and act like i enjoyed it. but they use it like the pied piper. they use the music as a tool, an important tool of the recruitment process. it brings in young kids, young youth on the outskirts of society. they're looking for love, looking for attention. they're looking for people to fit in with because they're not getting that at home or they may be bullied in school. so they're looking for new friends and find it with these groups. they get in with them. the group acts like they love them. they befriend them then they get them to do their wrongdoings because a lot of the leaders of these groups have already been to jail, already been to prison. they don't want to go back so they know they need to get younger recruits in and using the music is one of the hot items to get these young people in to start a life of hate and racism. >> all right. david, informants of hate groups for the fbi. we really appreciate your time today. thank you. and we have more on the victims of the sikh temple shooting and heroic actions of

the temple president. anderson cooper joins us live from wisconsin with part of his interview with the temple leader's wife and his son. is backed by an equally powerful and secure cloud. that cloud is in the network, so it can deliver all the power of the network itself. bringing people together to develop the best ideas -- and providing the apps and computing power to make new ideas real. it's the cloud from at&t. with new ways to work together, business works better. ♪

he is one of the heroes of the tragic shooting rampage in wisconsin. the leader of the sikh temple that was attacked fought with the gunman, giving other people time to take cover. it cost him his life. in an interview with cnn's anderson cooper, singh wife and son said he live the the american dream. >> my dad put that flag outside when we first bought a house, our first house. we come home from high school and we were laughing. we were like, dad, that's going to be an eye sore. you have an elementary school sized flag in your front yard. he says to us, he goes, look town the street. to y do you see any other american flags? we didn't. he goes, our house, because this is our house, because we came here, it's been a land of opportunity for us.

>> really should know we're close to the american friends, you know. >> a form of protection. >> a form of protection. >> he said it. he goes, look, i don't want anybody doing anything to our house. >> that's pretty powerful. anderson cooper joins us live from oak creek, wisconsin. anderson, family members say that they were not surprised by his act of bravery. what else did you learn from talking with that family? >> reporter: they did say that. they said th was the kind of thing that he was known to do. he cared so much about this temple and about the community and would dedicate so much of his time in order to try to help the community. he actually, they id, grabbed a butter knife. that was the only thing he could get, and tried to use that against the attacker. we're still trying to learn more details about exactly what happened inside that temple. police actually do have surveillance footage from security cameras that they are going over. that obviously has not yet been

released to the public. and we now know that the funerals are going to be on friday for all six of the victims and the family is trying to raise money for some of those families because some of the families don't have much in the way of resources, even to pay for those funerals. they set up a website called wearesikhs.com that peole can go to to donate. >> i've been surprised, not surprised, kind of happy they're using this as an educational opportunity for all of us to learn about their community and peace. what else do they have planned for this evening? i thought, perhaps, they were having some more vigils. >> reporter: yeah, there's going to be a number of vigils in a lot of different locations. they're really just trying to kind of get the word out. you know, it's the fifth largest religion in the world. they're really trying to get people to just kind of understand a little bit more about who they are, what their beliefs are and the important role that they play in this society and many societies around the world. >> actually i think you've done

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nasa just released new pictures from mars. here is a look for you. joining me now is theoretical physicist from arizona state university, lawrence, author of a bestseller "a universe from

nothing." we thank you for joining us via skype from australia. very cool. you watched the news conference along with us. we saw nasa officials get teary eyed. how exciting is this? >> it's amazing. it's exciting. it's so wonderful for not just the nasa people, but for everybody. it's like being on mars. and i've always said that, in fact. you don't need a human on mars, you just need a rover. and you look at those images. it looks like los angeles at sunset. >> so would life on mars look anything like life on earth? >> well, we don't know, of course. that's one of the reasons we send these things out, to first of all, discover if there is life on mars. i mean, it would be amazing if we do discover that, because it will mean, well, it won't -- it could mean several different things. it's most likely our cousins. because, in fact, we discovered the material goes between mars and the earth all the time. we discover mars rocks in antarctica. they get knocked out by meteors

that hit the martian surface. microbes could survive the voyage between the two. each planet is polluting the other planet. it wld be very surprising to discover if we discovered life on mars not to discover its cousins. what makes it even more interesting is life may have evolved first on mars and actually made it to the earth. we don't know. all of that is incredibly exciting because what we really want to know is are we alone in the universe? >> and so as you're watching these first images, we're all seeing at the exact same time, is there anything that you see with your trained eye that you could share with us? >> well, right now the first images, as was pointed out, the color image is through a dust cover so it's pretty dusty. and i did -- the black and white images are clear. looking at the mountain. and the key -- the key thing they're going to want to be able to do as they climb that rover up the mountain is be able to look at literally different layers of martian history.

just like when you look by a river, you see areas of rock that's been exposed from different times in martian history. and early in the history of mars we think it was hotter and wetter. that's the time when if there was life on mars it would have evolved, so it will be incredibly exciting to try to see the different layers. it's a little too early right now to get any science. right now it's just fascinating. i feel like i'm on mars. i watched the landing with all the 97 images as it was coming down. i saw the parachute. it's amazing with the orbiter we can actually get other cameras to show us where all those things came down. i'm as excited as i've been, i think, since the moon landing. >> wow. what would it mean for science if we find signs of life? >> well, i think it would be one of the greatest discoveries science has made in the last, maybe even the last century. the fact that life on earth is

not unique in the universe is a beginning. we just discovered with the kepler satellite over 2,000 planets are distant stars and we're on the edge of being able to look for earthlike planets and if life could exist or evolve independently on other planets on our solar system, it means that probably the galaxy is teeming with life. there are 100 billion stars, and if there's microbial life, then maybe somewhere else is intelligent life and that, of course, would be one of the greatest discoveries in human history. >> yes, it would be, indeed, lawrence. we want your enthusiasm about this. thanks for being with us today via skype. we appreciate it. >> it's been a pleasure. take care. >> it's been a pleasure for us. so there's some bad news for the development of a new alzheimer's drug. we'll have that after the break. [ mom ] thanks for picking us up, eetie.

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it is day 11 of olympic kom competition. here is our spoiler alert. if you don't want to know, walk away now. i told one of our producers. she was pretty angry with me.

a alyraisman is going home with two gold medals. teammate, gabby douglas is going home with two golds. she faltered on the balance beam before falling on her landing. lolo jones is looking for redemption after her stumble in beijing. we're going to wish her a lot of luck. "cnn newsroom" continues right now. >> good to see you. i'm alino cho. the man accused of the shooting spree in tucson, arizona is expect and in court any minute. jared loughner my plead guilty. we're monitoring that very close by. first, it has the world talking. did life on mars exist?

nasa works to find out, the space agency is releasing incredible images. take a look at this. the very first color images of the mission. you can see the crater, if you look closely in which the rover landed just day ago. they're a little murky because the lens cover is dusty. the cover will be opened later to take clearer pictures of mars. nasa releasing this animation. take a close look at this. it shows the surface of mars close up, photos. nasa is calling the crime scene photo because it shows details about the landing site. look at this. low resolution photos were captured by a camera underneath curiosi curiosity. some 300 pictures were taken. nasa compiled them into this video. they show the last two and a half minutes of what nasa calls an exciting ride.

the space agency just held a news conference. one of the scientists got a little choked up as he talked about it. watch. >> i've waited a long time for this to come back. >> hey, john. this is an assignment of a lifetime for you. >> oh, yeah. it's great. there's always a lot of excitement, anticipation and they call it serendipity out here. we're getting terrific images. this is a model. this is curiosity, the escape model. you can see how big this is. if you take a look, look down here. this is the soldier. 1997 it was flown.

look how far nasa has come from the time they sent this rover to mars to this car sized rover. rob manning is here with me. you and i were out here. >> long time ago, 1997. >> that was one of your babies. >> this one is. this looks tens times harder. it's more like 100 times harder. it took us longer, cost a lot more money. this is the by far the most complex beast we've ever put into outer space. >> i know you said to me that the one wheel is more complex pretty much than the whole thing. >> the motors, the electronics have been monumentally challenging. >> tell us where we're getting some of these pictures from. >> the very first images came from one of these cameras. these are the front hazard

camer cameras. this is the front of the vehicle. this is the right and the left. we're using these two right now. we saw some fantastic pictures. it was from this camera with the protective lid cover removed. right there. this is a mountain that's higher than mount ranier. we're right at the foot of it. >> everybody's excited. they want to get there as quickly as they can. we also have a shot of one of the wheels from that camera. >> it's a very wide angle fish high lens. the wheels were toed in a bit for landing. we got a little of this wheel. you can see a bit of the top part of the arm. >> the dissent, they took the incredible pictures. where is that? >> it's located in the back of this vehicle right understood beneath here. you can't quite make it out

here. it's over here. i'm on the wrong side of the vehicle. here it is. this is camera that took the movie on the way down. in fact, the real high quality color hd quality image is still on mars. it's going to take us quite a long time to get all those frames down. >> my understanding is what you do is you get a pass like once or twice a day. you send a bunch of commands up. >> in the morning when it cawak up. >> it carries out everything and sends information back. you take a look at it. >> we look att while the rover is asleep. it's asleep right now. it's about 3:00 in the morning. it's snoring. very soon it's waking up because mars orbiter is coming overhead. shortly there after odyssey

comes over. all the these missions we leave stuff behind. we leave parachute, rockets, back shells and heat shields. it's debris we leave behind. it's not far away. >> before we leave, take a look up here now. we all know this is the drill, the hammer drill. >> this is the hammer drill. it's like eddie scissor hand. up here there's a mask. this mask right now on the vehicle is still on the stowed position. those cameras are facing down in these pockets. we've taken images of them. it's a bit of light coming from them. today, we're going to use this antenna to communicate. we'll send messages up to that antenna which points to earth directly. within about two hours later, this is all happening tonight

pacific time, which is the morning. we're going to lift this up. there's a motor that will raise it up and take our first panoramic shots. we're going to look at our targets to make sure the cameras are well calibrated. i think what we learned a bit is that landing was dusty. these jets have turned up a lot of stuff. i expect this to have a little rouge color. >> the pictures are phenomenal. we know you are about the size but the pictures really drives up. >> everybody is excited. >> when we will see the first images? you think tomorrow or thursday? >> we'll get our first early images tomorrow over the course of the next week. we'll take a panorama.

>> it's going to be spectacular. rob manning. he's the chief engineer. thank you so much. i'm sure we'll have rob on many times. that gives everybody out there a pretty good idea of where we are. you can tell everybody is excited. >> my producer said big boys and their big toys. i haven't seen that much excitement in a long time. >> thank you very much. >> you got it. what have you got to add to that chad? >> it reminded me of a car salesman trying to show you the car. there's the back up sensors, your highlights and high beams. here is crater. they wanted to land there seasoned they were only about a football field or more away from where they wanted to land. i want to show you what it looks

like. we talked about this a lot. this is the crime scene photo that they are talking about. it's a little darker. you lose some of this light dust away. you got some of the darker soil below. the sky crane cut andlan landedt crashed over here. the parachute you can see it from space. the heat shield a little farther away. curiosity in perfect shape and ready to go. lit be a while. they don't really believe they will try any experiments or anything important yet for about to weeks. two weeks of testing to make sure the cameras work. america, take a deep breath. this is going to take a couple of weeks but we're all ready for

some great pictures. >> all the way from mars. >> one more thing. just for all the geeks out there like me. they're sending data back at 32k baud. >> i don't know what that means. >> you weren't even alive. you would call on the phone and use earmuffs. that's how slow it is. lot more news unfolding. the campaign ad wars are on. mitt romney, barack obama and the super pacs, making sure you see the message they want you to see. one school's policy prevent pregnant teens from going to class. now, one group says that's discrimination and against the law. i will speak with them live. to ♪ [ breathes deeply ] ♪ this is where the dream begins ♪ ♪ i want to grow ♪ i want to try ♪ i can almost touch the sky [ male announcer ] even the planet has an olympic dream. dow is proud to support that dream

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cut in half, and you also saw the number of people in poverty come down year after year after year. that was a great accomplishment. i hope you understand that president obama in just the last few days has tried to reverse that accomplishment by taking the work requirement out of welfare. that is wrong. if i'm president, i'll put work back in welfare. >> all right. we want to hold that thought for a moment. first, we want to talk about a campaign ad that some are calling the toughest and perhaps one of the most controversial of 2012. joining me for that is cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein. this ad features a man that lost his steel mill job. the ad was made by a souper pac

supporting president obama. >> my family lost their health care. a short time after that my wife became ill. i don't know how long she was sick. i think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew we couldn't afford the insurance. one day she became ill and i took her up to the jackson county hospital and admitted her for pneumonia. that's when they found the cancer. by then it was stage four. it was nothing they could do for her. >> ron, is that fair? >> that's very tough. look, it's at the core of the argument here for the obama campaign. from the beginning they're advertising strategy is overwhelmingly behind trying to make the argument that mitt romney embodies the problem, not the solution on the economy. this i their core argument.

the experience at bain capital. romney says that's the centerpiece of why he would be better positioned to get the economy better. he enriches the few at the expense of the many. this is the core of the tug a war of the two sides. defining the meaning of the bain experience. whether it equips him the solution or the problem. >> it depends on what side of the aisle. it just gets nastier and nastier as we get closer to the election. mitt romney coming back with the claim that the president is working to undo the welfare reforms. >> under obama's plan you wouldn't have to work and wouldn't have to train for a job. they just send you your welfare work and welfare to work goes back to being welfare. mitt romney will restore the work requirement. >> welfare to work goes back to being plain welfare.

is that fair? >> this is an argument between the parties. what obama has done is make it easier for states to pursue waive waivers. what the obama team and the white house argues is this is part of their overall effort. we see with race to the top on education. it's an initiative that republicans like and promote. for example, mitt romney talks about that on medicaid and food stamps. what republicans and congress and now the romney campaign are arguing is this goes too far and allows too much flexibility to undo some of the work requirements that were imposed. it's interesting that of the states that have asked for waivers so far, two of the five, i believe nebraska and utah are republican states. this is something that's going to be a gray area. it's going to be played out. there's no question that what romney is saying is amplifying

an argument that some congressional republicans have made and the white house has rebutted. >> we want to talk about a comment that a lot of people are talking about. the president critiquing the tax plan with a new name. >> it's like robinhood in reverse. it's romneyhood. >> in response to that. governor romney's campaign said the president's long on joke and one liners but short on ideas. your reaction to that today. >> in fact, we don't have a good idea of what president obama would do in a second term to try to get the economy moving faster other than the jobs act. on the issue of the tacxes, wha the president is referring to is the study here in washington. romney said he was going to cut tax rates 20% across the board but would not reduce the tax by

people paid at the top because he would roll back their expenditures and tax breaks to equal the amount of revenue lost. what the tax policy center said is that's impossible. even if you eliminate all tax breaks for people at the top, it would not offset the cost of lowering their rates and if he doesn't want to keep his plan revenue neutral, he would have to raise taxes on everybody else the math said if the plan was going to be revenue neutral, it would have to raise taxes on those at the top. that's the core of the argument that the obama team is making there. we sdroents a full response from the romney team to that except to argue accelerated economic growth would mitigate that effect. >> ron brownstein, great to talk to you. in wisconsin, police are

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stories of heroism are emerging from sunday's attack at a sikh attack. the temple president fought with a gunman who opened fire at people inside. his son said his father had a bloody fight with the gunman, wade, michael page. he shot and killed six people and shot a police officer eight to nine times before the police killed him. he's seen in myspace and facebook photos. we have learned more about the white supremicist culture page was involved with.

you were talking about the band, the far right band "end apathy" that he was involved with. you said it was an effective recruiting tool. >> they have these music festivals that that try to attract young people to. it's a multimillion dollar industry. there are supposed hundreds of bands. according to an author that studied this white power music scene, it's very effective in bringing in kids. take a listen. >> today there are literally hundreds of bands with dozens of different record labels here in the united states. white power music has become a multimillion dollar a year enterprise drawing young people in and fueling them with these ideas of hatred an bigotry. >> you found out that page was a member of a white supremicist

group called hammer and nation. >> it's a skin head group. they have is about a half a dozen chapters in the united states. they have other chapters supposedly in europe. no real measure of how big this group is because it's very secretive. in fact, they say they are leaderless. they are leaderless for a point. they have taken over where the national alliance failed. the national alliance had a l d leader. that leader was prosecuted and it fell apart. they try to be secretive. they secretive about where their music fests take place until the end. they don't like to be identified in public which is what is rare about this suspect is because he was so wide open with his hatred. >> obviously, easy to say this now but some anti-defamation groups are saying white

supremecist groups are seeing a resurgence. >> the black president becomes the president, they try to say that these white hate groups are resurging. i don't see any evidence of that. if you look at this guy page, you look at the last time we talked about this, the holocaust museum. they are loners and losers who really have no power. they may act out because their movement, such as it is isn't going anywhere. it's very subjective to say whether or not to movement is growing or not. >> some people have suggested they join these groups because a lot of these people are loners.

they find solace in numbers. >> do they have any political agenda that they act out on? very hard to say. the internet makes everything a community. anybody can put up a website. very hard to determine whether or not these groups are on the rise or on the wane. >> thank you as always. get tested or get out. a school in louisiana apparently tells its students take a pregnancy test or leave school. naturally the aclu is threatening to sue. we have just gotten a response from the school that could change everything. don't miss this. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about market volatility.

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some developing news aboua louisiana charter school that was facing the threat of a lawsuit from the aclu.

delhi charter school is under attack for kicking pregnant students out and forcing them to home school. the aclu says that violates federal gender discrimination laws. the school released this statement. there have never been any complaints from students and parents about the school policy. however, in light of the recent inquir inquiry, the current policy has been forwarded to the law firm of da vennport and kelly to ensure necessary revisions are made to ensure our school is in full compliance with constitutional law. thanks for joining us. we just learned what the school plans to do or that it plans to make some sort of revisions to the policy. at kind of revisions would satisfy you? >> they'd have to have a revision that said they wouldn't be forcing students to take pregnancy tests.

they wouldn't be kicking students out who refuse to take the test and they wouldn't be kicking students who are pregnant out of the classroom. girl who is are pregnant today deserve the right to be in class just the same as women who are pregnant deserve to be in the workplace. that's the law. >> i read the policy about a page long in the student ha handbook and it says the reason behind this policy, is that it wants to uphold and promote the character of its students. there's so much talk, obviously, in an election year about family values and there's a lack of family values. here is a school that is trying to promote that. what's wrong with that? >> we can promote values. what you can't do is discriminate against anyone? you can't kick a girl out of school because she's pregnant. she has a right to go to school.

she has a right to be in class and extracurricular activities. a policy that kicks her out is reminiscent of a very different time. i can't help but point out it's about character development if it's statement about sex. there's nothing to indicate, that i'm aware of, about the policy being enforced to boys as well as to girls. there's no policy that can justify kicking these girls out of class. >> i'm curious to know female this is the first time you've heard of a school instituting this policy before. this is a k through 12 school. >> this just came to our attention. there are historical incidents of this. this is the first time in recent histy that's somebody's brought it to my attention. >> thank you for joining us from our new york bureau. good to see you. >> thank you. breaking today the psychiatrist who treated the suspect in the colorado movie theater rampage contacted campus

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we have new details about the alleged colorado movie theater gunman. they show just how concern his psychiatrist was about his behavior. she revealed james holmes' name to campus police. our denver affiliate has learned that the school psychiatrist called university of colorado police six weeks before the shooting. 12 people died. 58 were wounded after holmes opened fire during a midnight screening of the dark knight rises. he had withdrawn from the phd program the month before the massacre. john, good to see you. do we know what the psychiatrist

told campus police? >> wi know she called campus police for two reasons. first to let them know that she had serious concerns about holmes' behavior. he could be a threat to others. she asked the campus police for a background check. did he have a criminal record? she was told he had no criminal records. there were no warrants for his arrest out and the only contact with police was a minor traffic ticket. >> campus police did not do anything about that, did they? >> well, essentially, what happened with the campus police, because there were no warrants, there was nothing that they had on him. the only way they could have acted is if the psychiatrist said he's a danger to others. i'm going to sign paper work which will allow do you go pick him up and put him in 72-hour detention. we know that dr. lynn fenton did

not do that. the police had no way or no reason to pick him up. she could have taken him to an emergency room to have a brief evaluation of him to see whether others thought he might be a danger or could have consulted with someone else. we don't know what she did in that regard. we know she did not give the police the authority through the paper work through 72 hour hold to go pick up james holmes. >> we know she was concerned enough that she broke doctor-patient confidential and gave them james holmes name. do we know what provoked her to take that step? >> you're right. we know what she did with regard to the police. we know that the police are one segment of what is the threat assessment team at the university of colorado. not only did she go to the police, she talked to other people on the threat assessment team. she's part of this team. she helped put it together. she thought that he might be

enough of a threat or enough of a danger to others that she felt that was a bar she had to cross, which she did. the psychiatrist that we've talked to, forensic psychiatrist that we have spoken with said this is a very, very important thing to understand because that tells you the level of the concern that she had. it had to be very high before she would break that confidentially. indeed, we don't know specifically what he told her and what caused her that concern. she hasn't spoken and neither has the university. >> the answer to that question is very important. we know you'll be digging into it. we thank you for joining us. sniper fire, massive destruction, rebels telling people to stay off the streets. this is what our ben wedeman has seen? one of syria's largest cities. the country's dictator showing his face publicly for the first time in weeks, smiling. helping business, do more business.

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a smiling bashar assad was shown on syrian television. this is the first time we've seen him in three weeks. in this video he is meeting with an envoy from syria's top ally, iran. fighting from syria's largest

city, aleppo, has become so intense that the u.n. pulled its monitors out of the city out of concerns for their safety. ben wedeman is braving the fighting and talked with us this morning. >> reporter: people very worried here. try to retake control of the city. just an indication of how nervous people are, we've watched all day as merchants have filled up pickup trucks with goods trying to move them out of the area controlled by the free syrian army. they're worried they will be damage damaged as far as the humanitarian positions goes, it continues to be very difficult. we watched about 100 people lined up at about 6:30 in the morning. it's the only oven that works and functioning in the district. most people say they have run out of cooking gas.

some say they are cooking their meals over firewood. some have moved from the more dangerous areas of control by the free syrian army to areas that are still under the control of the rebels but are not being shelled quite as much. others are moving to those parts of the city that are still under government control. others still moving from country side. i've seen even more going over the border into turkey. there definitely is a move away from the areas where there's expectation of fighting. many of the civilians here, they are exhausted. they're worried. the children are clearly traumatized by weeks of intense fighting. >> that was ben wedeman from the syrian city aleppo. we'll talk more about the situation with hala in the next

hour. other stories we're following. the fbi is investigating a fire that burned a mosque in missouri to the ground. this is what the mosque in joplin looked like before monday's fire. take a look at what it looks like now. destroyed. back on july 4th, a man was seen throwing some kind of incendiary device at the building causing the roof to burn. the feds are offering a $15,000 dollar reward. firefighters were able to put the blaze out at the chevron facility in richmond overnight. fire started after a diesel leak late last night forcing the plant to shut down all operations. the refinery is the largest in all of california and the shut down is expected to cause a spike in gas prices. fake military i.d.'s, fake uniforms, badges, even a full nasa flight suit. a man is busted with all of this

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the world's largest breast cancer advocacy charity is facing scrutiny over its ad campaign. a paper written by two professors accusing the susan g. komen for the cure foundation of using misleading statistics in ads about mammograms. the paper says last october's ads exaggerated the benefits while saying nothing about the risks. komen responded saying while it's not perfect, it still is the best tool for early detection and treatment. what's the bottom line when it comes to breast cancer screening? i asked our senior medical corresponde correspondent. >> they believe a widely respected organization may be

overstating the benefits of mammograms and ignoring the risks. >> i spoke with one of the experts. they say there can be a down side and they don't feel that susan g. komen reflects that. i know it sounds crazy. here is what they are saying. they say i can say, get a mammogram because it could save your life. that's true. everyone acknowledges that. what you don't hear is that it could also lead to this. there's a possibility that you could get a mammogram and it's going to find some tiny slow going cancer that would never cause you a problem. because our technology isn't good enough to detect if it will or won't cause a problem, we'll have to give you chemotherapy and you'll have to suffer through the treatment when maybe you didn't need. >> in fact that happens for every life saves, two to ten women may be in that category. >> right. if you get a mammogram, there's a chance it will save your life.

there's an even bigger chance it will detect something that would never be a problem. it's cancer. they'll have to treat you because they found this cancer. >> i think a lot of women will be watching and saying what's the bottom line. >> you need to have a discussion with your doctor. there's pros and cons. you need to think, what do i want to do? i'm going to get this and it could save my life. it could also lead to treatment that i didn't need. weigh that with you doctor and decide what you want to do. >> finally, the standard in the united states is still if you're 40 and over, get a mammogram annually? >> that is still the standard. not every group says that but groups like the american cancer society. >> great. thank you. thanks for joining us. at this moment, a pivotal court hearing is happening about jared lee loughner.

he is facing a decision that could save him from the death penalty and save survivors from reliving last year's massacre at trial. he's expected to plead guilty today for the attack that killed six people and wounded 13, including then congresswoman gabrielle giffords. among the victims, dorwin stoddard. his widow wants him to take the plea deal. >> i think life in prison would be a lot worth and i think he may have a chance. his mind is kept under sedation to the point that he's whole, he might learn about the lord and that's important to me. >> the former congresswoman also supports the plea. this statement in from mark kelly, her husband. gabby and i are satisfied with this plea agreement. the pain and loss caused by the events of