important to note a story could not happen like this again because it was in the '70s and there was no internet and south africa was isolated. thank you for watching. tonight the question is that may change the election. the ryan budget, good or bad for america? i'll ask rising democratic star corey booker. >> here's a guy that in many ways supported the budgets that got us into this complete budget deficit in the first place. >> and rudy giuliani will have his say. plus, why he's questioning vice president biden's capacity to lead. >> joe biden has gotten a free pass. >> also, he started this country's tax wars. and he calls the ryan budget smoke and mirrors. both sides battle it out here tonight. and a man who is just about seen everything when it comes to american politics. dan rather. >> each of these campaigns is in a mode to be meaner than a mama wasp.

the champion daughter of the greatest, laila ali on a controversial television show. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight a man who catapulted into the spotlight, paul ryan. everyone in politics is talking about little else. this is what he said in ohio a little earlier today. >> president obama is out of ideas and that is why his campaign is based on anger and division. you know, the president i'm told is talking about medicare today. we want this debate. [ applause ] we need this debate and we will

win this debate. [ applause ] >> the big knock on paul ryan has been on what his budget would do to the neediest americans. we'll get to that and other matters. the democratic mayor of new york, corey booker. mr. mayor, welcome back. >> thanks. it's good to be back. >> good to hear it. let's turn to paul ryan. i think you guys may have a problem here. paul ryan is captivating the electorate. he is good tv. he is gunning, he's vigorous. he does these insane workouts. he's charming. he appears to be a man of consensus. he likes to do deals. he's a bit of a problem for you, isn't he? >> you know, actually i don't think so. it provides the american public a very clear choice. remember, paul ryan's history which he can't escape. here's a guy that in many ways supported the budgets that got us into this complete budget deficit in the first place. he voted to go into two wars and giving a tax break for the first

time in american history ratcheting up a federal spending in a way that was irresponsible. we voted for prescription drug plan we didn't pay for. clinton left us with a surplus. the ryan congress under his leadership, his votes, drove up the federal deficit in a dramatic way. and then if you now see what romney is doing which is adopting basically much of what ryan stands for, you see a tremendous amount of draconian cuts that are undermining the urgencies in america right now. yes, we need fiscal prudence. this is why obama put forth $4 trillion in cuts. understand what the ryan/romney budget is doing. it's cutting domestic spending 19% across the board impacting programs for veterans and impacting pell grants and pathways to colleges and impacting investments in innovation economy and infrastructure and things that will help america grow. do you want to see cuts or see the obama plan that puts us on

to reducing the federal deficit but does not forget that america's got to remain competitive. >> if the american public just basically don't want to pay more tax, aren't they going to lean in an election in economic hard times towards the party that is saying i'm not going to hit you in the pocket so hd? >> well, again, we've got to get out of political cliches. and this is what we're talking about as a trojan horse kind of political cliches. if you look at the facts of president barack obama and how he governed, forget his proposals to cut middle class taxes and proposals to cut taxes on small businesses, this is a president who has cut taxes on over 97% of businesses and americans. cutting taxes on small businesses 18 different times. and giving taxes to middle class americans amounting to over

$3,000 per american family. so this is the rhetoric versus the reality of how obama has governed. the president has governed in a way that has been about tax relief during an economic crisis. more importantly if i'm an american right now, say i'm a senior citizen and i listen to the other side saying i'm going to roll back obama care right away, what that means is they're going to erase the getting rid of the doughnut hole which means seniors prescription drug costs won't go down. they're going to erase preventive care things where seniors can go in and get preventive care and preventive treatment. if i'm an american listening to the romney budget and ryan budget right now, these guys are going to slash pell grants and access to college for millions of american students. if i'm listening to the romney and ryan plan right now, these guys are going to cut infrastructure investment and the innovation economy, research and development. so this is a clear choice between a ticket that's saying

we're going to cut all of these things and cut taxes on the richest americans versus obama not only plan but the way that obama has governed in a way that has said we're going to find ways to relieve taxes on the middle class but never shirk investment in our seniors and kids wanting to go to college and in those critical innovation economy aspects from infrastructure to r & d they're going to build a stronger america in the future. >> let's listen to what vice president biden said yesterday. i want to play you the clip that's got everyone going. >> look at what they value and look at their budget and what they're proposing. romney wants to -- he said in the first 100 days he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules. unchain wall street. they're going to put you all back in chains. >> now, be honest, mr. mayor. did you slightly recoil when you heard that phrase alluding to chains.

there was a large number of black african-americans in the audience who many say this was a deliberate attempt to try to bring a slight racial tone to the whole proceedings, which was a bit unfair. what did you think? >> piers, this is really what i recoil about in where our politics is getting now and being fueled by super pac money and by a media that becomes obsessed with sound bytes rather than substance. every single week from both sides, we seem to be running on ten-second clips of sound bytes and ignoring substance. please, i beg america, listen to the whole speech by the vice president. don't let the sound bytes that the media is presenting to you affect your mind. listen to the whole speech. this was a substantive speech about how we're going to reform wall street and about how we're going to protect consumers, about how we're going to stop the overleveraging of banks and how we're going to create a

consumer bill of rights, credit card bill of rights and how we'll go against predatory lending. all of that is the substantive things that my majority city in newark are concerned with. these are the real substantive issues that the media and that the sound byte politics is distracting us from. >> i can see why the republicans are grabbing hold of anything they can to haul this stuff back. only last week we had this super pac ad on behalf of the president basically accusing mitt romney of killing a woman, which was, i thought, one of the most obscene things i've seen. does your anger extend to that kind of stuff? >> i think that i've been clear on the record about my feelings about these super pacs and the negativity on both sides. i'm clear on the record on that. let me get back to the substance. i believe when you hold substance of obama against the substance of romney, the american public will choose obama every time. look at this issue.

you have folks that do want to release the reforms on wall street. one side that does want to release the kind of things that caused the problem in the first place. the overleveraging and predatory lending and another group that says we need to protect against these things. and so it serves the purposes of the republican party right now to jump on our vice president's words and distract people from an incredibly substantive speech. >> shifting gears slightly, let's move to the issue of guns. last time you came on my show you said the level of violence we have in america is preventable and that most americans, republican and democrat, gun owners and not, actually agree on some common sense solutions. since then we've had the aurora massacre, the wisconsin sikh temple abomination. when you take these things into consideration, you must be disappointed that the president isn't ordering some new form of

gun control, aren't you? >> piers, two points. one is because you've been incredible on this issue and right after aurora you had one show that you were a champion for going against these people that said let's leave this debate for another time. but i just want to make a point to you that is lost right now. we have these horrible egregious things that are happening. aurora and the sikh temple but please understand these aren't unusual. in america every single day dozens of people are being victims of gun violence. they're in places that we don't really talk about that much. inner city chicago. oakland. detroit. in newark. so the urgency that i live with is not an occasional horrific tragedy. it is a daily nightmare around america. we need to start talking about it. and so when it comes to the obama campaign, i'm actually firmly supportive of what the president has been saying. number one, he's been saying

absolutely let's support second amendment rights. i'm a mayor that actually says, you know what? i don't mind if people buy guns who are law abiding citizens because the overwhelming majority of the gun crimes in america are committed by criminals who obtain guns illegally. and that's what we need to focus on. there is a national coensus on common sense changes to gun laws. national consensus. we mayors, republican mayors, democratic mayors and independent mayors formed a coalition called mayors against illegal guns. we polled gun owners in america and gun owners from 80% to over 90%, gun owners were in favor of changing laws that keep guns out of the hands of criminals. things like this. i could be on the terrorist no-fly list. i can't get on a plane but i could drive to gun shows in some areas of this country. a suspected terrorist and buy a trunk load of automatic weapons. the overwhelming majority of americans we all agree on these

changes but we can't make them. i see the president's frustration. we're in an urgent time with too high unemployment. he puts legislation in congress forward that would create that all independent think takes would create thousands of jobs in america but congress won't act on that where there is a higher level of consensus. we're in a silly season where congress is doing nothing and where people like ryan are part of the problem down in congress. to suggest that we can now move on gun legislation in this congress is ridiculous. we need to raise awareness of the real problem in america. every single day dozens of americans are shot by criminals who have easily obtained illegal guns. >> right. you know i agree with this. the only thing i would say -- there are two issues. one is the issue you outlined. there's an increasingly urgent issue about how people who are mentally unstable are getting

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>> this is a very, very clear contrast for our country to make. do we want to go down the path we are on, the path of debt, the path of doubt, a path of decline or do we want the ideas that will save the american idea? >> so what do top republicans think of paul ryan? the former mayor of new york and regular guest on this show, rudy giuliani. >> hi, piers, how are you? >> you're very nice to me. you weren't very nice about the vice president yesterday.

you said he's basically too stupid to be in office. >> the vice president wasn't very nice yesterday. the vice president did something disgusting yesterday. the vice president went to a venue in southern virginia speaking to an audience that was half african-american, feigning a southern accent he said that romney and ryan are going to put you all in chains. now, come on. that's outrageous. if a republican vice president had said that and in the space of 24 hours had also gotten wrong the state he was in and today the century that he's in, you would be raising all kinds of questions about this man's fitness for office. if vice president cheney did this, if sarah palin did this, if paul ryan did this, it would have been on the front page of "the new york times" and you all would have been outraged. so somebody had to get outraged and it it's going to be me. this man makes one stupid remark after another. today he said that he and barack obama are going to lead us in

the 20th century. maybe that was a slip because they want to take us back to the 20th century and failed economic policies that didn't work in some parts of the 20th century. i mean, this is one gaffe after another. there's a website devoted to this man's gaffes. now, okay, we all do it. but when we do it, republicans, it becomes a national headline. it becomes a major focus. and when a democrat does it, it's just old uncle joe biden, one of the washington crowd. he gets the century wrong. he tells a man in a wheelchair to stand up. it's okay. and then he engages in what is a vicious attack. i mean, the mistakes about the century and the mistakes about other things like that, okay. but to do what he did yesterday in front of a half african-american audience, using and feigning a southern accent to say that romney and ryan want to put these people in chains is outrageous.

>> do you really believe that joe biden was being deliberately racist? do you actually believe that? >> then we have to question what was he being? i mean, he had a teleprompter. >> had he said shackles instead of chains, would it have made a difference to you? >> i have no idea. what about the phony southern accent? what was that all about? in front of a half african-american audience? and tell me, tell me if a republican did this, that y'all wouldn't be outraged that it was some kind of racist appeal? how about holding both sides to the same standard? that's what we do in america. we have a level playing field. if god forbid paul ryan made a mistake like this coming out of the box, you would be going crazy. joe biden has gotten a free pass.

>> well, he is getting an expensive pass tonight. i think you have squared off the free element. let's move on to paul ryan. you said a week ago you preferred the idea of chris christie for vp. your instincts told you that romney would go for marco rubio. you clearly didn't call this. were you shocked or dismayed? how would you describe your honest reaction? >> i wasn't shocked or dismayed. i actually said that i would have picked marco rubio. i would have picked marco because i would have probably thought about the appeal to the hispanic vote and that. i'm happy with the choice of paul ryan. i think it was a very, very bold choice. i think it was a strong choice. i think what governor romney has done by choosing paul ryan is to put some substance into this campaign. substance in terms of we can now have a real debate on an issue that's important like what are

we going to do about medicare that will go bankrupt if we don't fix it. i think paul ryan gets a chance to explain that he doesn't want to take medicare away from anyone. he wants to fix it so people can have it. i was in front of an audience of young people a few weeks ago and i asked him how many of you expect to collect social security or medicare and six people put their hands up. most never expect to collect it. what paul ryan wants to do is to fix it so that it can be solvent. these are intelligent adult discussions we have to have with the american people. i think that paul ryan is capable of carrying that out. >> are you worried at all that the debate has moved very, very fast this week away from obama and his record in which many people believe that romney was beginning to score some hits and has now moved almost completely to paul ryan and his budget and his record which i find ryan very personable and impressive in many ways but if he's all about him and public don't buy

into him at the election, that's a problem, isn't it? >> i think that governor romney has made a gamble here. he's taken a risk. i think he could have made the choice of just focusing on obama and making it an anti-obama campaign the way obama is focusing on making it an anti-romney campaign and never talking about his record. i think that governor romney has given us a chance to lift this debate about issues. it may be wrong decision. my instinct tells me it's the right decision. a substantive debate about the direction of this economy. i believe republicans will win like they did in 2010. i could be wrong and governor romney could be wrong. i think we're going to have a better campaign as a result of it, which is good for the american people. >> i totally agree with that. i think it's electrified the campaign. i think he's galvanized public interest and that's good for the proper battle come november. thank you for joining me. >> thanks, piers.

when we come back, is the romney/ryan budget snake oil? both sides battle over the issue that could decide the election.

>> they have been trying to sell this trickle down snake oil before. and guess what? it didn't work then. it won't work now. it's not a plan to create jobs. it's not a plan to reduce the deficit. it's not a plan to move the economy forward. and secretly i think they know this. >> president obama in iowa today going after the romney/ryan budget plan. the two sides arhammering away at each other over the economy as i suspect. my next guest here is with more on the story. grover norquist and michael linden. welcome to you both. >> good to be with you. >> you're now in pre-election mode which i would imagine means you'll be more aggressive about this than normal, right? >> sure, if you want. >> let's be serious for a minute. you will enjoy this.

i want you to treat me like a complete simpleton. i want you to tell me in easy to understand words and phrases the difference between the ryan budget plan and the one that romney would like to bring it. >> there's the ryan budget that is actually been written down and scored by cbo, passed by the republican house and got most of the republican votes in the senate, which gives you a very good outline of where republican thinking is. it takes the clinton approach toward welfare reform, which was passed in '96 and extends it to the various means tested other welfare programs like medicaid and food stamps and programs like that. then it takes medicare and takes the bipartisan approach that he worked out with wyden and moves that so nothing changes for anybody over the age of 55, but if you're under 55, medicare

falls apart before you get there unless it's reformed as ryan does it and then on tax reform he takes corporate and individual rates to 25%, broadens the base for revenue neutral tax reform and goes to territorial tax reform. romney looks to broaden the base and on taxes and spending moves and puts in reduces total government spending down to 20% from the 24% that obama took it up to over the next ten years. >> michael linden, from your point of view, where is the best attack line for the democrats? >> well, the best attack line for the democrats is just looking at the details of the plan. grover did a nice gloss on the

ryan and romney plan. what he neglected to say is that ryan and romney have so far refused to explain how they'll pay for the $5 trillion in tax cuts they promised the wealthy over the next ten years. there's two ways they can pay for that. raise taxes on the middle class or pay for it with more debt. that's pretty much the only way to do it. that's partly why they haven't explained how they're going to pay for it because that's not exactly popular. >> grover, i saw you grimacing away as i would expect. answer me this. i don't hear tens of millions of americans running around screaming, you know what? we've got to have tax cuts for the wealthy. what i hear are tens of millions of americans who are deeply hurting in this financial crisis still. they are unemployed or they lost their homes or whatever it may be, the one thing they're not doing is demanding more tax cuts for the rich and that's where i just can't see this argument

resonating with the voter. what do you do about that? >> there are two things. first of all, you look at where we are. obama has added $5 trillion to the national debt. we have more people unemployed than when we took office. this is the weakest recovery since the 1930s. if reagan was president, if we had reagan style recovery, gdp would be 10% higher and we would have about 10 million more people working than we do now. >> piers, i have to jump in. >> one second. no you don't. >> the weakest recovery in history was under george w. bush. that's really important. you like to pretend that under obama things have been terrible and certainly we could be doing better, but we created 4.5 million new jobs, private sector jobs since the recession was over and under george w. bush at this point in his presidency he

was down private sector jobs. that's the weakest recovery. we did try your approach. we said let's cut taxes for the rich and what do we get for it? nothing. more deficits. >> nice try. here's the challenge. obama has been president for 3 1/2 years. any reform he wanted to enact he had two years with the democratic congress. if he wanted to make tax cuts for lower income people permanent, he would have done it at any time. he chose not to. what obama has done is not only .ut forward a situation where he when democrats come out and say we're so pleased -- >> he has a budget, grover. he has a 400-page budget. it's strange you say that's no plan. >> the one that every single democrat in the house and senate voted against? that's the budget? trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. more spending and no recovery. if that's his plan, he's in big trouble. >> that's not at all -- i mean i understand that's how you want to characterize it. his plan was never put up for a vote. it was a gop written caricature of his plan that was put up for a vote. >> can we vote on his plan tomorrow in the house and

senate? that would be nice. >> the plan would stabilize debt before the end of the decade. here's the main difference between the president's plan and the ryan plan. the president's plan asks people who can afford it to pay more to help pay down the debt, help stabilize the debt. the ryan plan asks those people to take more tax cuts. have more tax cuts and please create some jobs for us. it doesn't work. >> i'm going to wrap it up. grover, out of the kindness of my heart, you can have ten seconds to finish this out. >> what obama did was change the rules. his old argument was no tax increases on those that earned less than $250,000. he changed that. no income tax increases on anyone that earns less than $250,000 for the next 12 months. it's open season on the american people one year into the next presidency. that's obama's own words on taxes. >> i really enjoyed that, chap. please come back again and let's do it again. we'll have more debate about this. we know the battleground will be the economy, taxation, exactly up your alley, grover and also yours, michael. come back again soon.

>> a man that knows a thing or two about this country's politics, dan rather. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy.

we'll have more on our big story with dan rather. he's seen everything there is to see in american politics. he joins me now. dan, welcome back. >> glad to be back, piers. always a pleasure to be here with you. >> it's a fascinating week to have you back. we now have the clear final battleground. we have ryan and romney against obama and biden and i rather maybe naively began the week saying to people, there's a nice new tone to the debate. they all seem to be trying to be civilized. within about 25 seconds, this has now descended into one many call the most campaign in 24 hours. what do you make of the way they are going at each other now? >> it's gotten worse. it's one of the nastiest campaigns in my lifetime which

goes back -- i'm sorry to say -- quite a ways. i think it will get worse. each of these campaigns is in a mode to be meaner than a mama wasp. that's clearly what they planned out as the way to win. my own personal opinion is that the public wants to hear more substance than it does he said, he said that accusations. it's not the kind of campaign we have and i don't think it's the kind of campaign that we're going to get by acclimation a risky choice. it may pay off but risky choice and now everything is full of paul ryan and where he stands on medicare and social security and making taxes better for wealthy people at the possible expense of the middle class. it contours the campaign of change.

it would be interesting to see how well the republicans do at their convention in changing the conversation back to do you agree with obama or not obama rather than do you agree with paul ryan and his plan or not? >> he's definitely resonating with the american public. they like him. he has a likability factor. significance to me of that is that's what mitt romney has been lacking. most people say, look, mitt romney, a smart guy, good businessman. he lacks that kind of wow factor that make people really fall in love with him. paul ryan is radiating that. that's a big bonus to the republicans in this race. >> i agree that one of the reasons paul ryan was picked in addition to he can activate the republican base and that also he's young, he's smart. he's a strong campaigner. and one of the main reasons was he could increase the likability factor for the ticket. i agree with that. i have said and i repeat now, in

the early going after his being named as romney's pick, he's been somewhat noxious for the ticket in this way. it raises medicare barely talked about here and there but wasn't a focus of the campaign, social security wasn't on the agenda at all, that he is a polarizing character. you and i both know because we've been around long enough to know that you don't want to read the tea leaves too early, certainly not before the cup is hot, because you could get burned by doing so. i think on balance you and i may disagree about this, ryan is a liability to the ticket overall. i agree he brings likability and a lot to it. that can change as the campaign develops. i see as one key you haven't

seen paul ryan go to florida and campaign in florida. i think the reason for that is that in florida you have a high percentage of elderly people, people who feel strongly about medicare and social security. >> it's a fascinating debate. that's why i think it's really kicked off the campaign for real this week because everyone is wondering the same thing, you it does take it all from obama to paul ryan, his budget plan, and in the end this election could as others have before come down to florida where he is at his most vulnerable because that's where you have the highest older audience and the whole medicare cuts thing comes into play and it would be ironic if it was that that cost mitt romney the election, wouldn't it? >> it would be ironic. i will say that we have talked about this before. certainly one main focus point of this campaign should be the money. the amount of money that's coming in on both sides advantage to the republicans. much of this now thanks to the supreme court ruling secret

money. that's still underreported spine of the campaign. it doesn't get talked about a lot are the whole argument about voter i.d., possible voter fraud and what i call voter suppression. having covered civil rights in the deep south in the early 1960s, i've seen up close and personal the reality of turning people away from the polls discouraging people primarily minorities and poor people from coming to the polls. now you have a much more subtle and sophisticated version of that but let's call it what it is. it's an effort at getting fewer people to vote, voter suppression. you saw the results in ohio where the republicans tried to make some rules for voting favor republicans in strong republican districts and then do the opposite in democratic districts. it just got reversed this afternoon beuse of public pressure. i think that public pressure came from republicans as well as democrats. >> dan, for now, again, fascinating. do come back soon. >> i will. thank you very much for having me, piers. >> always good to have you.

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because it trains people like you to effectively join the military. what do you think of the criticism? are you surprised by it? >> i'm not surprised because people always have something to say. no matter what you do, you can't please everybody. when i first got the call to this show, the whole idea was to pay homage to people in the military. i'm thankful there are people who have courage to fight for us and sit around and judge and make comments like that. at the end of the day people are going to see what these people go through throughout the day. >> mark burnett is a former british army soldier himself. i think the last thing he would want to do is do anything undignified. >> of course. and all the operatives in the show are military and they wouldn't have done the show if it was going to paint them in a bad light and i know people in the military now and they love

the show. we're highlighting these people and what they do. we're not shooting people and we're shooting targets. when we say training, it's not like we're training to go fight. >> let's watch a clip. >> once i came out of the water, i was like, where am i? it was such a shock because everything you have on feels like water. i felt like a heavy rock that was sinking down to the bottom and i had a moment of fear. >> so what was harder, "dancing with the stars", that or getting in a ring pounding on somebody trying to beat you up. >> well, you make this sound so -- >> real? >> they're all different and they're equally as hard. obviously boxing is something that i did as a profession and i take very seriously and i spent a lot of years preparing. so it would be very hard to

compare it to a reality tv show "stars earn stripes" is hard too because i'm learning new skills, things i'm not comfortable doing and i did fear for my life in certain situations. >> what is the best or worst thing about being muhammad ali's daughter. >> i have a lot of pride just being his daughter. just simply who he is as a man, to stand up for what he believes in. not worry about what's gg to be taken away from him, you don't come across that anymore. not with these athletes and not with most of these men nowadays. people are only concerned about money and power and that wasn't my dad. even though he had so much power. and i just have so much respect for that and it just frames my view of people in our world.

and i just have a tremendous amount of confidence. i think the worst thing, which is something i still don't complain about, is probably just growing up in the spotlight. not knowing who is your friend, who's not. and i had to learn a lot at a very young age. >> and also, no matter everywhere you go with your father, the attention, i met him once in a hotel not far from here, and even then the reaction from everybody in the vicinity was extraordinary. >> it's unbelievable how my dad literally brings people to tears. >> he really did. he did that night. >> no, i know. literally. and i know, because he's such a great man and i know that he's been through so much in his life and people have gone through it with him. and i think they just do have so much love and respect for him because who he is as a person, not just how great he was inside the ring. there will always be a great athlete. >> you're a chip off the old block aren't you? >> a little bit. if i was faced with some of the

situations that he was faced with, i would have made a lot of the decisions. i know i'm a chip off the old block. probably you because it was a different day and time that he was living in, you won't see that from me. i'm a woman and i get judged differently and people don't necessarily like seeing that from a woman. >> come back and talk more about this. i've enjoyed meeting you. >> i like you too. >> "stars earn stripes" on nbc. >> thank you. >> only in america, a labor of love, a father-daughter team racing together. ordinary rubs don't always work on my arthritis.

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tonight's only in america, a father who deserves a gold medal more than any of the olympic champions in london. for rick it's not enough to swim, cycle and run to the point of exhaustion. he takes a triathlon to a whole new level. he competes while carrying his daughter who has cerebral palsy. he only stops when she feels

unwell or too hot. it's one of the most extraordinary things i've ever seen. >> right at that moment didn't know how it was going to be. it was kind of scary, actually. but that's what a change is all about. >> so here is how it works, in the swimming section of the race, he swims while pulling maddy in a kayak, he bikes with her in a card and he runs while pushing her in a stroller. he runs and carries her in his arms. i've never been disappointed doing this because i'm doing it with my daughter. she can't walk or talk, the one thing she clearly enjoys is being outdoors and he's doing everything in his power to give her those rare moments of joy. there are many heart warming story during the london games but no o