scrambling to get this show. we reached out to his reps in sony but they haven't gotten back us to yet. this will be excitingor him to bk we hen't seen that sincepi"s .">> thas much. appriate that. much morewsroom" straight ahead. ksoining us. ashleigh banfield is up next from new york. fred, thank you. nice to see you. hello. i am ashleigh banfield. it's 11:00 on the east coast, 8:00 on the west coast. let's begin with this, arizona governor jan brewer is defying president obama and it ain't the first time. this time it's about the undocumented workers. thousands of these undocumented immigrants across the united states lining up yesterday to apply for deportation relief, all because of president obama's brand new program that he created. look at the lines. it is remarkable, the numbers. this is chicago. organizers estimating more than 11,000 you people turning out.

one 16-year-old in line said, hey, i'm used to living here and i want to stay. in houston, thousands flocked to the mexican consulate. the line wrapping right around the building. some of them coming as early as 4:00 in the morning. one woman saying that she had waited a lifetime for this. remember, they were kids when they came here. and to arizona now, ground zero of the controversy today. enter governor brewer. yesterday late in the day she directed state agencies to deny public benefits, including drivers' licenses, to anybody who might actually be a recipient in this program. here's what she had to say. >> we will issue an employment authorization card to those people that apply but they will not be entitled to a drivers' licens licenses, nor will they be entitled to any public benefits in response to the public overwhelmingly voting that no public benefits would be extended to illegal aliens in

the state of arizona. >> well, joining us more with reaction to the governor's move is knxb reporter live at the state capital. i can see from the image behind you, steve, while some people in arizona really like what their governor does, others really don't. steve, unfortunately we cannot hear your audio. my apologies. if we can get that fixed we want to get back to him reporting at state house because clearly that is a huge controversy. again, it's not the first time she has gone sort of locking horns with president obama. we'll get back to him in a moment. update you on that story. i can move you to another story that we're just getting breaking news on. it's about that shooting in washington, d.c. it started as a shooting. you probably saw the pictures, too, of the arrest.

this suspect floyd lee corkins has now been charge with assault with a deadly weapon. all of this after he walked into the family research council building yesterday morning and then just shot his gun. a security guard there was able to overpower him. but he was shot in the arm himself. but he did avert what could have turned into another bloody massacre. >> the security guard in this case is a hero as far as i'm concerned. he did not allow the armed person to pass the front. he did his job. >> so joining us now sandra, live in washington, d.c. the breaking news is that authorities are actually confirming for us there was something in his backpack thate. take me through it. >> reporter: ashleigh, we are finding out new information about this investigation. a law enforcement source telling our senior producer that the suspect had chick-fil-a sandwiches inside his backpack.

as you know, the company, chick-fil-a, has been a source of debate in recent weeks and months because of their staunch stance against same-sex marriage. a stance the frc shares. and we understand that this suspect, 28-year-old floyd lee corkins, also volunteered at a d.c. center for the lgbt community. that community center executive director obviously outraged by this shooting saying that he could not understand a volunteer being involved in such tragic violence. but again, ashleigh, we're learning more about this suspect. we know that a law enforcement source says that the suspect purchased a six-hour nine millimeter handgun just in the last week in a gun shop in virginia. it was purchased legally. he will be charged, according to a law enforcement source, with federal charge. and that includes interstate transportation of a firearm and ammunition. he lalso faces a charge with

assault with attempt to kill and he will be facing those charges later in court today. again, officials believe that is suspect travelled from a nearby metro stop in virginia, crossing state lines, to allegedly shoot and actually shoot inside the frc building yesterday. so that is what he will be charged with later this afternoon. for ng any information coming out for our senior producer, again, the suspect did have chick-fil-a sandwiches inside his backpack. ashleigh? >> yeah, you know, that's what happen, sandra, when you take the metro from virginia to d.c. carrying your ammo and your gun. if the allegations against him are true. quickly wrap it up for me with this. i was watching this all day yesterday, reading online about it, wondering what could be the motive of this shooter. there were a lot of reports about him having chick-fil-a related pamphlets in his backpack. that's not the case, is it? the wording was just wrong.

>> that's right. according to the law enforcement source who knows about this investigation, all the suspect had was chick-fil-a sandwiches. the stories and reports about paraphernalia or pamphlets regarding chick-fil-a is not true. they are still piecing together the motive here. there's no details yet. but a law enforcement source can tell us that the suspect allegedly made comments in regards to being against frc's policy before shooting the guard in the arm. >> all right. sandra endo, thanks very much. also, just even after two major shootings in the past few weeks it turns out the attitude towards gun control hasn't really budged at all in this country. brand new cnn/orc international poll just released last weekend indicates 50% of us, 50% of us, still favor no major restrictions on gun ownerer ship. and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts.

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has been granted asylum by the country of ecuador. julians a sang julian assange is hold up in ecuador's i'm bass difficult for two months. his website posts tens of thousands of classified military and diplomatic documents. he's also wanted in sweden for questioning about sex crimes allegations. shubert is outside the ecuador embassy. is he planning to stay there for a while because the way i see it, the minute you walk out the door, the bobbys will arrest you. >> that's just it. he's now legally been granted asylum. if he steps outside and back on british territory and british police can arrest him. british foreign offers feel clearly it's their obligation to extra indict him to sweden. they also say he breached his bail conditions and that's why

they would arrest him. legally his status may have change noud he's been granted asylum but he still can't walk outside so he's in dl indefinitely. we have a statement that wikileaks just put out on his twitter account, quote, i'm grateful to the ecuadorian people. if the and his government, it was not britain or my home country australia that protected me from persecution but a great independent latin american country. he's happy he got asylum but still in the ecuador embassy. >> i hope the hotel services are good there because that's going to be a long stay. at the same time, i seem to recall the brits suggested at one point they would actually enter that embassy. that doesn't sound like anything i've ever heard possible when it comes to diplomatic relations. what's the situation with that? >> no. and fact is i thinks that very unlikely. what seems to will happened is basically a diplomatic tactic that seems to have misfired.

britain told ecuador we want to negotiate this out. do remember, we have an act, a law that does allow us to withdraw diplomatic status and therefore go into your embassy. it's not as easy as that. it mean months of legal wrangling. they did point that out. ecuador took offense to it and said they would not be threatened and bullied that way. as a result, it seems they have granted julian assange asylum. it's not been well received by ecuadorians earlier. she said she is very upset by what britain has done. take a listen. >> we have the support of the president and julian, support of freedom of expression for everybody. >> freedom of expression. do you think julian should be extradited or not? >> not. >> why? >> because he was telling the truth about certain things so, yeah, he should be, you know, should treated fairly like everybody else.

>> reporter: so as you can imagine, a lot of protesters here supporting assange and they're encouraged by this granting of asylum but they're still a long way to go to get him out of the i'm embassy. >> atika shubert in london for us. thank you. i want to move on to afghanistan. seven american service members along 11 people killed today after a helicopter crashed. that chopper went down while on patrol in the southern kandahar province. don't know if this was shot down or if it's an accident because the cause at this point is simply under investigation. we are watching carefully for updates. and turning to syria, the civil war is now spilling over into the country next door. specifically, lebanon. saudi arabia are telling their citizens to get out of lebanon, evacuating them, in fact. all of this coming after lebanese gunmen kidnapped about 20 people, including citizens of

saudi arabia and turkey. the neighbor to the north. now, both of those countries are supporters of the rebels in syria. this video is set to show some of the victims but cnn has not been able to confirm it. in another development, we can tell you the coalition of 57 islamic countries has decided syria's out. they're suspended syria from their coalition. it's another clear example of that country's isolation. and on the battlefield, cnn team is being able to witness firsthand the death and destruction of a government fighter jet attack, not just any attack. an attack on a hospital. a hospital. we want to warn you that ben wedeman's extraordinary reporting has some very graphic images. >> reporter: 12-year-old meemd screams out in fear and pain.

shrapnel ripped through his right leg in an air raid on the hospital in aleppo district. three passersby, including mohammed, were wounded in the attack. the task of treating the wounded here, harder by the day, this nurse tells me. half of our equipment no longer works, he says. for almost an hour syrian government jet bombed and strived the area, twice striking the clearly marked hospital. out of view, rebels fired back bru fruitlessly at the plane. in an entranceway across the street from the hospital, the blood is still wet from mohammed wounded, took cover. nerves still on edge, the possibility the plane will strike yet again. >> going, going, going, going.

>> anyone at the next entrance? >> reporter: mohammed's brother abdul fled the emergency ward in panic after the second attack on the hospital and is afraid to go back in. the shelling and air raids have no rhyme or reason. the rounds smash into crowded neighborhoods, far from the front lines. mohammed was in a back room when his apartment was hit. he had sent his family away just a few days before. thank god they weren't here, he says, but what am i going to do? where am i going to live? his neighbors clear away the rubble with exhausted resignation. the random nature of the shelling and air raid tons rebel-controlled parts of aleppo means that any building, anywhere in this part of the city could be hit at any time.

in fact, this building was hit just 20 minutes ago. for many of the residents of alep aleppo, it's simply time to leave. some go by foot, most by car or pickup, taking the bare minimum. the shelling, he answers when i asked why he and his family are leaving. he won't know where it's coming from. their destination is what they hope is a safer part of town. but he but here, no place is truly safe. >> ben wedeman now joins us live from southern syria. we do have a bit of a delay in our communication, but, ben, i just heard that this same hospital that you featured in this report has been hit again just today. what's the status? >> well, we know that it was strafed by a government jet and the strafe being caused fires

within the hospital. i know there are really few hospitals functioning in the part of the city where the rebels are. and, therefore, these few hospitals are really key, vital to those people who are staying behind. but as we heard from them, they've got problems with medicine, equipment. many of the staff are too afraid to go to them. so when these planes -- and what's clear from the -- from what we saw, because we watched for about an hour as those planes flew overhead in the area of the hospital, they are targeting the hospital. there's no question about it. day after day, they targeted it when we were there, they targeted it today. in fact, they targeted it before as well. so there's no question that this -- that syrian government is trying to make life for the people of aleppo in those areas controlled by the rebels simply unbearable. so many, many of them are simply fleeing to safer ground. >> and when you say unbearable, i would -- i'm trying to get my

mind wrapped around what day-to-day living is like. if the hospitals are getting bombed, are the grocery stores even open, is there any school, does anything operate normally there? >> schools haven't operated for quite some time. you go to grocery stores, there's very little in it. the few grocery stores that are open, i would say maybe one in ten shops is functioning at all. the people start their day lining up outside bakeries for bread, the little bread that's available. and, in fact, today in aleppo, a shell hit right outside of a bakery in one of the areas we were in, that was in that report. eight people killed, dozens were wounded. really people send their day just scrounging around for enough food to eat. but many of them are also scrounging around for rides out of town. some people are staying behind because they have nowhere to go. you have to realize that normal work, people aren't getting paid.

so they're short on cash. even if they flee from their dangerous areas, they don't have the money to pay for an apartment to live in. it's really a crisis 24 hours a day for the civilians in aleppo. ashleigh? >> and as they try to flee, you've made your way in. so obviously this is a very dangerous place for you. please be careful. excellent reporting. and i look forward to further reports from you. ben wedeman, live for us inside syria. ntgomery and abigail higgins had...

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i a have question for you. what if some people in your state got a little gift, extra time for early voting on evenings and weekends? you know, when you're not at work. but you didn't get that same little gift. that is actually something that was playing out in a key swing state, ohio. that is until yesterday when the secretary of state in ohio decided that all counties instead have to make their early voting hours exactly the same. why was this a big deal? look at the map. previously before he made that decree yesterday, these four counties were not allowed the early extended voting hours.

they include cities like cleveland and akron, toledo and columbus. does that ring a bell? obama, '08? yeah, they leaned heavily democratic back then. now, change the maps to those little counties. those two red counties were allowed to extend the early voting hours and they lean heavily towards mccain. they lean heavily republican. now it's all going to be even steven. i asked john avlon and roland martin all about this last night on "out front." but the question really was, how on earth could they have been different to begin with? >> partly because different county have different fiscal positions and that could have been why they weighed differently. >> in his statement really gave it away. today i'm living the playing field. that's to the extent it's an admission that it wasn't on level playing field before. when you look at that map it is hard to say that there wasn't politics behind some of these county disparities. ryan makes a great point about each county taking its own

economics taken into account. bottom line is we should have a common interest. >> the obama administration suing because that state ended early voting, the friday before the election. obviously people know that saturday, sunday, and monday before the election have been -- have been very important for a lot of people. they work, they need the weekend to vote. and church services for african-americans have souls to the polls. explain me and tell me why sunday is so critical. >> it's the sunday right before the election. so you're telling people, get out to the polls. in 2008 an estimated 93,000 ohio ans voted in that period. the obama folks are saying, no. they should not defend this law because everybody should have the ability to vote early. >> let me quote the secretary of state again. he said for the vast whatter youity of voters the early in person voting begins 45 35 days before the day of an election

and ends at 6:00 p.m. the friday before the election. why do we need those three days if we have 35 days? >> why not? why not? >> it's expensive. >> 93000 -- here's the deal. they allowed it in 2008. why all of a sudden the change? if 93,000 people voted on those three days last time, why all of a sudden change it this time? >> all right. so that's the issue with those three days. but back to that other issue of all the counties and the hours they remain open, under this new order the polls in ohio must, must remain open from 8:00 until 5:00 monday through friday during the first three weeks after the early voting starts. that is for every single ohio county. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get art about your weight.

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you hear all about the political stalemate on capitol hill, guess a little overwhelming, doesn't it? so much so that the nickname do nothing congress. guess what, the gridlock in congress is now officially on track to make history. according to "usa today" this year's congress is the least productive congress since the

end of world war ii. it is not a joke. out of the nearly 4,000 bills that lawmakers introduced this year, supposed to work on, yeah, only 61 of them became law. 4,000 bills, 61 laws. in 2011, congress passed 90 bills into law. the record is worse than the actual original do nothing congress. the phrase was coined because of that congress back in 1948. so congratulations, folks. nice work. but it's not just the legislative branch that's taking it on the chin, getting heat. the presidential election less than three months away the blt beeen mitt romney and president obama is getting ugly and it seems the one issue that will not go away is mitt romney's refusal to release more of his tax returns. that is by design. that's what the democrats want. and why? why are they not going away and why won't they release the tax returns? listen to ann romneys a they got

pretty heated in an interview with nbc. >> we have been very trans important to what's legally required of us. but, the more we release, the more we get attacked. the more we get questioned, the more we get pushed. and so we have done what's legally required and there's going to be no more -- there's going to be no more tax releases given. and there's a reason for that. that's because of how -- what happens as soon as we release anything. myth's fnlt disclosures as governor is huge. if people want to see any question they have. the other thing they have to understand is that myitt is honest, his integrity is just golden. >> you know, i really like ann romney because that's her getting heated, you know. she's a pretty even keeled lady but you can tell she's frustrate with this question and the reporters are frustrate with the answers. but, frustration doesn't end there. romney's taxes aren't the only issue being ripped apart.

the fallout from vice president joe biden's put y'all back in chains gaffe is not going away, intensifying. more leaders are weighing in on this one. latest one from the new gop vp candidate paul ryan. >> great to be here in north canton. or as joe biden might say, it's great to be here in nevada. >> well, cnn's political editor spa paul steinhauser is standing by. the critics is coming out of the woodwork on this one. >> sure are. critics, but also supporters of joe biden. what ryan was talking about he made those comments on the campaign trail just a few minutes ago in ohio when joe biden made the orangeal comments he made them at a campaign events in danville, virginia. it's on the border with north carolina but it's in virginia. biden said he was in north carolina. he had an oops. you saw ryan there taking advantage of it. there are surrogatesing on both sides taking about this issue.

including rudy giuliani, a republican, big surrogate for the romney campaign. take a listen of him going after the vice president on piers morgan right here on cnn last night. >> i have not seen a vice president said as many stupid things. i mean, there's a real fear if god forbid he ever had to be entrusted with the presidency, whether he really has the mental capacity to be to handle it. this guy just isn't bright. he's never been bright. he isn't bright. people think, well, he just talks a little too much. actually, he's just not very smart. >> now people are questioning whether giuliani crossed the line here. you may agree with the vice president or not on the issues but he's been aa. politician for a long time and i don't think anybody really is questioning his brightness or ability to serve as president if needed. >> if those are fighting words, you're right. they are coming out on both sides of the argument. cory booker, the mayor of newark, new jersey, had the opposite opinion when it came to joe biden. let's remind you, he is an african-american coming out

about this y'all in chains. >> listen to the whole speech. this was a substantive speech about how we're going to reform wall street, about how we're going to protect consumers, about how we're going to stop the over leveraging of banks. about how we're going to create a consumer bill of rights, credit card bill of rights, how we're going go against predatory lending. all of that is the substantive things that my majority black city in newark is concerned with. >> well, there you have it. so i don't think it's the end of it. but it's the end of it for our conversation right now because i have one other thing i want to ask you about. this announcement from the rnc about one of the speakers. davis, can you tell me why that is so significant? >> yes, this is fascinating. he's the former congressman from alabama, african-american. guess what, he was a co-chairman back in 2008 of barack obama's bid for the white house. he was the person at the convention in denver who was the second to nominate him. guess what, now artur davis has turned parties. he's now a republican. yesterday, yesterday artur davis was in virginia campaign for

mitt romney and we learn this morning he will be at the convention in tampa. so this is a big change and a big deal to the republicans are making out of it. >> all right. you always have all the goods. i want to remind everybody, too, president obama is dismissing the gop attacks on joe biden as well because he spoke to "people" magazine and said this. biden meant, quote, you consumers, the american people, will be a lot worse off if we repeal these wall street reform laws. at shell, we believe the world needs a broader mix of energies. that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go.

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president obama under a brand new attack. get this, it is over the special ops raid that killed osama bin laden. and the critics are former special ops guys and cia agents. they call their campaign against the president dishonorable disclosures. they're slamming mr. obama over leaking information about the bin laden raid and also slamming

him for taking too much credit, which they say was the credit for other people's success. and if this sounds a little bit familiar, it might be because of this. do you remember john kerry's run for the white house back in 2004 and those blistering swift vote attacks on his service in the vietnam war? take a look. >> i served with john kerry. >> i served with john kerry. >> john kerry has not been honest about what happened in vietnam. >> he is lying about his record. >> i know john kerry's lying about his first purple heart because i treated him for that injury. >> john kerry lied to get a bronze star. i know. i was there. i saw what happened. >> his account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day. >> well, those attacks had a huge impact on that campaign. brian todd is covering this new set of special ops attacks on president obama. first of all, special op, cia, i get it, but who are the guys and

what's story behind their campaign? >> ashleigh, these are former navy s.e.a.ls, special op soldie, intelligence officers who take part in this video. that makes it one of the most significant attacks against president obama this campaign season. in the video as you mentioned they slam the obama administration for allowing leaks of intelligence -- of details of intelligence raids, of intelligence operations to become public. that w a controversy in the news this year. the obama administration has strongly denied taking part in those leaks. the video also really blasts the president for taking credit for the bin laden raid. the president has mentioned that raid on the campaign trail quite often this year, even taken out an ad featuring bill clinton extolling his courage for ordering the raid. the video really takes him to task for that. here's a clip of it with the former navy s.e.a.l. named ben smith. >> worse than ever are leakings coming out of the white house. >> i don't see why anybody would

purposely put lives in jeopardy. >> it will get americans killed. it is my civic duty to tell the president to stop leaking information to the enemy. ♪ >> wow. that's pretty tough stuff to watch. quick question for you. this group has said their bipartisan. are there nuances to what bipartisan means in their books? >> nuances at the very least, ashleigh. we found out the group's president, former navy s.e.a.l., scott taylor, was once an unsuccessful republican candidate for congress in virginia. the group spokesman worked in a similar capacity for the bush administration. this group opsec shares office space with two republican strategy groups in virginia. we went over there yesterday and checked that out. there is at least some tie to

the republican party here, maybe implied but some tie despite their group that they're nonpartisan. >> thank you. i want to make one more point. the group says they have $1 million that it plans to use on campaign ads in the swing states all in the coming weeks. be sure to tune in to brian's report on this story coming up in "the situation room" at 4:00 p.m. eastern today. in that tie there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪

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at the heart of some hearings against the two former penn state officials that begin today. those hearings. the prosecutors are alleging that curley and schultz knew a lot about sandusky's abuse, and they didn't alert the authorities anp then when called about it to the grand jury to testify, they flat-out lied about it. curley and schultz said not true, not guilty. and joining me is joey jackson. and joey, two issues here. mike mcqueary who has been witnessed and ajude kated in court as sexual abuse of a young boy in a shower, and they didn't really characterize it the same. >> it all comes down to what they knew and when they knew it. was it something that was a casual horse play and fooling around or more sexual in nature. >> and did mcqueary describe it as horse play to them and then

take that to the jury or did mcqueary say, guys, we have a big problem, and this is what i s saw. >> that is the point, because did they water it down or know exactly what happened or something of a sexual nature that occurred that they tried to cover up, right? or was it that they just believed that it was horse play and they rectified it and spoke to the parties and everything got resolved. that is what is at issue. but the problem in the hearing is that all of these are factual questions, and when you get factual questions, what you need is a jury. so ultimately a jury has to evaluate the evidence and a jury has to determine whether this is legit or illegit and why not a judge? >> and so it is difficult for a defense attorney or a juror for that matter to get into someone's head and see what they were thinking when they took one version of the story and recould it? there is no hard evidence to

suggest that you knew exactly what happened. >> well, you evaluate everything in context, because it is difficult to get into someone's head, but if there is a e-mail trail as now alludes that the president, mr. spanier, might have had knowledge of this, because there were e-mails explaining the incident and the severity of the incident, then it is a problem, ashleigh. >> well, i am glad you brought it up, but the whole way they kas characterized mike mcqueary's characterization of the horror sew in the shower, is one thing to defend, but then the second sticky wicket that both cur lle and schultz said to the grand jury that in january of 2001, they believed that mike mcqueary had not described a crime to them. part two is that they denied know i knowing anything about 1998, an attack, and they denied knowing anything about the 2001 incidents that they reported to child protective services, and there is an e-mail chain saying otherwise. >> that is the evidence that you spoke. to and if there is evidence that

establishes that they knew more than they suggested that they knew when they told the grand jury or they knew about the severity of it, thatepresents a real concern, and that is what a jury has to figure out with regard to the guilt or innocence. >> that is hard evidence, too. joey, stick around, because i want to talk to you more about something else, but in the meantime, you may see more charges in the case, because it is possible that the former penn state president graham spanier who has avoided charges so far, but legal experts say he could still be charged in this. back in a moment. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female aouncer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge!

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you know, typically the dead stay dead, but not always the case. take for instance raymond roth and here is the deal with him. his 22-year-old son jonathan called 911 to say that my dad swam into the ocean and never came back. full search ensues and the rescue operation and they turn nothing. the search continues for i das, nothing. raymond roth, gonzo, and then all of the sudden, not so much. he turns up alive in florida. his brother actuall called the police to say that my brother is at my time share in florida.

so now raymond roth and his son jonathan are charged with insurance fraud. yes. conspiracy and filing a false report. joey jackson is back with us as the defense attorney for the son in this case, jonathan. so what we are h have to frame my questions accordingly. >> not guilty. >> dude, you are good. here is the deal. this is not a happy family, because both of of the guys are doing what we like to do is this, the defense is this guy to blame and this guy is to blame and the father and the son are blaming each other in this, and what are they saying? >> well, i can tell you what my client is talking about and what i am preaching in this case is coercion and abuse and manipulation, and this is a father and we will hear about a horrific history between the two. including physical abuse when he was young and coercion which ultimately led up to the event. so by virtue of that my client is not culpable, and the fact that raymond roth is saying that he knew nothing about it, and his son is at fault is

despicable, and what father would throw the son under the b bus. >> and what son would throw the father under the bus to say he was abused. >> one who had to call cps and endure years of a string of torture and harassment and it is amaze heg is up and alive after what he went through. >> my dad abuse d me and coerce me into the whole scheme and the dad says no way, i wanted to disappear and get out of life. i didn't have any plans to take insurance money or do anything like that of the sort. in fact, my son did that on his own. what evidence does anybody have to suggest otherwise? >> well, it is first the second or the third defense, because the first is mentally ill and i don't remember what happened, because i'm in a mental institution, and now that he is out, i remember that, and i changeded the will and the benefactor to be my son. and the story is changing to fit the times and ultimate ly he is held accountable and the son won't be and plenty of evidence to suggest that,