and even if they did, they couldn't spend them anywhere. seemingly all the money these people have is towards getting on ut of dodge. so thank you, ben wedeman. tonight, on the attack. >> i think the american people are also disturbed with a campaign that's been as divisive as this campaign has been. >> this campaign is based on frustration and anger. he's going to resort to fear and smear. >> president obama's main man david axelrod fires back tonight. >> he thinks he can play by a different set of rules. >> who says america won't survive four more years of president obama. the always outspoken penn jillett. literally, in the gym. >> he's very lean. he's very disciplined. >> the secrets of tony horton's

extreme workout phenomenon. plus, what may be the most extraordinary car crush video i've ever seen. what's even more incredible, the guys who lived to tell the tale. they're here in a prime-time exclusive. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight, battleground wisconsin. the latest poll has 49% of wisconsin's registered voters in the obama column, 45% for romney. with the president's four-point advantage is within the survey sampling error. two polls had him in a single digit advantage in a state he won by 14 points in 2008. that puts wisconsin on the list of eight crucial states that cnn now considers a toss-up and joins colorado, florida, nevada, new hampshire, ohio and virginia. joining me now for more on our big story is david axelrod. former white house senior adviser to the president. david axelrod, welcome back. how are you?

>> good to be with you, piers. >> what is your overview of where you are right now? as team obama? we are, what, 80 or so days away from the election. the general feeling seems to be it is game on and we know where the battleground's going to be now. is that your analysis? >> like where we are. i think the president's message is getting out there. and people understand, you know, that he's fighting for an economy which the middle class can grow and get a fair shake. and the contrasts are getting out. so i like our position but i've always anticipated a close race. we're going to have a close race. >> you're going to find yourselves in unusual territory and it looks clear mitt romney will have more money to spend. we know from the republican nominee race, when he's got lots of money, he tends to spend it very negatively. are you prepared for that? do you accept you'll get outgunned financially and what can you do about that? >> well, i don't think that i need to be prepared for it. it's already happening.

i mean, they've been spending pro digs digiously for several months. this week, piers, we're being outspend 3 to 1. they're spending $27 million, between romney and his allies, on negative ads. some of them are just patently false. one accusing the president of undermining the work provisions of welfare. everybody who's looked at it says it's false and yet they keep on running those ads. the current controversy over medicare. they're running ads that aren't true but they're running it with great force. is it a concern? yes, it's a concern. i have faith in the american people. we're going to make our case. we're going to straighten out the record. we're going to make honest comparisons with romney. i think we're going to prevail. >> the sadness for me about president obama and the super pacs is that you've had to plow in. you've had to compete. your super pacs are also running some would say an absolute pack of lies on occasion.

the ad that i really felt insensed by was the one that accused mitt romney of basically killing this woman. i thought that crossed a line. do you regret you've got into bed with super pac, even though you won't admit you have? >> well, let me answer. you have a number of different questions in there. as to the ad you reference, nobody should -- should accuse governor romney of being responsible for that woman's death. frankly, piers, you and i have a difference. i don't think that was the -- that was the explicit message of that spot. but what is indisputable is the workers at that steel company got a bad deal from governor romney and his partners who walked away from millions of dollars after loading up the company with debt and bankrupting the company and leaving the workers and the creditors holding the bag. so that's indisputable. the thing about that ad is it

never ran. i think it ran once by mistake. so that's in contrast to the romney ads that he produced that he's paying for and that he's running that are demonstrably false. so i would -- i would think that the media should concentrate on the ads people are actually seeing. not on the ads people are not seeing. now, as to our participation in super pacs, that was a tough decision for us. we were looking at the possibility, and we still are, of $1 billion of outside money being spent against us. and nothing in response. right now, we're raising money at $50 a clip. we're responding to all these super pacs that are raising money in one and five and $10 million allotments from people like sheldon adelson. the gambling magnate in vegas. the question is, can you play touch when the other side is playing tackle? we decided it wasn't fair to the

cause to tie our hands behind our back and allow them to do what they were doing without any response at all. >> when you see the poll numbers closing in somewhere like wisconsin which today has moved from lean obama to a toss-up, when you see that happening and you see the kind of excitement paul ryan has generated in the last few days. indisputable. he has the republican base certainly fired up. you must be getting a little bit concerned, aren't you? this is going to be a brutal battle, we know that. as you said, a very close one. >> well, you're right. he has fired up elements of the republican base. tea party, the social conservatives. he's a champion of those groups. he's a right wing ideologue. and the right wing idealogues are excited about his candidacy. i don't think that's where this election is going to be decided. i don't think most voters are going to decide this election. the swing voters in this

election share the view that congressman ryan has. and governor romney for that matter. we ought to ban abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. i don't think they share the same enthusiasm for trillions of dollars of new tax cuts skewed to the wealthy that are paid for with cuts in college scholarships and loans and student aid and medicare and nursing home care for seniors and the things we need to grow like research and development and new american energy. i don't think most people share that view. it's a radical view. it's one that excites their base. it's not one that's going to win this election. it's not the direction this country wants to go. >> mitt romney's come out today pretty strongly and said he's gone back and looked at his taxes and for the past ten years i've never paid less than 13%. this is a direct, fire back from him at senator harry reid. and the clear implication is harry reid has deliberately and unfairly and inaccurately smeared him.

do you believe mitt romney when he said he's paid at least 13% for the last ten years? >> i'll say he's setting an entirely new precedent. maybe we shouldn't have any disclosure laws at all or any disclosure traditions at all. everyone can just certify for the public that everything's fine, everything's okay, so you don't need to see my tax returns or my financial information. you know, governor romney's father, george romney, set a standard back in the '60s when he was running for president and he released 12 years of tax returns. he said one year is not enough. you can manipulate one year to create a false impression. this governor romney has a sense of entitlement that he doesn't have to operate under the same rules that presidential candidates have for decades. not just disclosure on his tax returns by the way, but who is raising money for him, his so-called bundlers. he left office in massachusetts with the hard drives from his computers with all his records

because he said he didn't want opposition researchers looking at it. he did the same thing when he left the olympics. he has a penchant for secrecy and he thinks he can play by a different t of rules. no, i don't accept his word on what his taxes say. let the public see it. let them understand what's in those tax returns. they say, well, we don't want to do it because the opposition may make issues about it. well, that doesn't give me much confidence about what's in those tax returns. let the public make their own judgment. >> let's turn to vice president biden. he obviously -- i don't know what your view of this will be. i'll ask you. he appears to have dropped you guys right in it, with this phrase about putting everyone back in chains. let's listen to the offending quote and get your reaction. >> he said in the first 100 days he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules. unchain wall street.

they're going to put ya'll back in chains. >> now, i had rudy giuliani on last night. very fired up about this. saying the double whammy of the southern accent joe biden put on, plus this phrase, put ya'll back in chains, to an audience that contained many african-americans was a pretty despicable piece of rhetoric. do you regret that joe biden used that particular phrase? >> listen, i know what the vice president was saying. i think everybody in that room knew what he was saying. he was talking about financial reform and wall street reform. and the fact that republicans and governor romney want to roll all that back. that will be right on the backs of consumers. that was a mixed audience that he said that to. let me say this, piers. you know, candidates are out. they say things. over the course of the next 84 days, i suspect every one of the principals running are going to

say something that will create media furor for 24 hours and those furors are going to pass. i think this is one of -- one of those. i appreciate mayor giuliani's comments. he seems a lot less exorcised when people on his side challenge the president's americanism or say he's guilty of treason. or go through this ridiculousness about his place of birth and so on. that's okay. that's all right with him. so he's a little selective his judgment. >> i appreciate you joining it is tonight. it's getting exciting, isn't it, this election? >> i look forward to seeing you along the way, piers. >> i look forward to that, too. when we come back, the controversial best selling author who says american can't survive four more years under president obama. a one, we believe small things can make a big difference. like how a little oil from here

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to say that he is no fan of president obama is perhaps the understatement of the millennium. he's the author of two books about the president. the latest provocatively titled obama's america, unmaking the american dream. he joins us now. welcome. >> thank you. >> so, look, i want to go through some of these claims you make in your book. and just challenge you to back them up. the first one is you say obama is the architect of american decline. he wants america to be downsized. he wants americans to be second class citizens in their own country. why would you think that president obama would want his citizens in his own country to be second class? >> well, obama's a global guy. he looks at america through global eyes. i think from obama's point of view, america and the west have enriched themselves at the expense of the rest of the world. so obama would like to see the american economy contract. he would like to see american influence in the world shrink. it's not because he's an evil

guy or he hates america. it's just it's in the name of global fairness. he wants americans to have less so the rest of the world can have more. he wants america to have less power so other countries can come up in the world. he'd like to see a world in which america is not the sole super power. >> you don't obviously believe that, do you? >> not only do i believe it but obama says it. he talks for example about how america has 5% of the world's population. we use 25% of the world's energy, of the world's oil. what obama's kind of saying is, listen, we ought to use less so countries like brazil and colombia and mexico can have more. this isn't just rhetoric. obama uses taxpayer money to subsidize oil drilling in brazil and colombia and mexico. he's trying to enrich the previously colonized countries at the expense of the colonizer. >> this second point is he detests allies like israel and britain and seeks to weaken them. he's not very worried about radical muslims acquiring a

nuclear bomb or coming to power in places like tunisia and egypt. what do you base that on? >> first, they have come to power in tunisia and egypt. the obama administration has notified the egyptian generals, listen, you better turn over power to the muslim brotherhood or we're going to cut off u.s. aid. i'm not saying obama caused the arab spring but i'm saying he is acted quite vigorously. to reduce american influence, to weaken, mubarak was clearly an american ally. who can deny the muslim brotherhood is the largest organization of radical islam in the world. >> right, but suggesting that he's not very worried about radical muslims acquiring a nuclear bomb. i mean, that is an absolute load of phooey, isn't it? >> first of all, we're talking about obama's motives. they can only be inferred by looking at his actions. if you look at obama's actions, what has he done to prevent iran from getting a nuclear bomb? every several months there are

reports iran gets closer, closer, closer. the israelis are in panic about it. but obama seems unconcerned. obama's energy and efforts have been focused on slashing america's -- >> out of interest, what would you be doing? would you be sending in american troops in iran? >> no, look, obama supported the protesters in egypt very happily when they were demanding democracy in egypt. a year earlier there were massive demonstrations in iran calling for an end to the regime of the mullahs. what did obama do? obama said we should not get involved. there's a debate. let them settle it up. i'm simply saying let's support pro-democracy elements in iran just as we supported them in egypt. >> you think barack obama's so disinterested and unworried by fundamentalists that he's the guy that risked his entire presidency on sending helicopters full of navy s.e.a.l.s into pakistan to take out osama bin laden. that's not really the actions of

a guy who's not worried, is it? >> no, i think we have to make an important distinction here. obama does be support al qaeda or bin laden. he sees those guys as international criminals. he does have sympathy for muslim jihadis in places like iraq and afghanistan. why? not because obama's a secret muslim. but he sees those guys as freedom fighters who are trying to free their country from colonial occupation. one of the reasons obama is so hostile to israel. he sees israel as a little colonial power sitting on muslim land. >> that's complete nonsense. of course he doesn't. >> well, you're just asserting things, piers. look, you come from great britain which was a colonizing country -- >> wait a minute, with respect, you are the one asserting things. you also said he detests britain which is also complete nonsense. absolutely nothing about barack obama's behavior since he came to power has been anything other than totally respectful of britain, often going out of his

way to be respectful to britain. where do you get the fact he detests my country? >> let's start with something simple. obama moves the winston churchill bust out of the white house, one of his first acts as president. that's not something bill clinton would do -- >> come off it. you're basing the fact he moved a bust out of an office, which he's perfectly entitled to do. busts come and go in those offices, right? you're basing that as a reason why he detests great britain. >> piers, i didn't -- look, all i'm saying is it's symbolic of the fact that winston churchill is perceived as a colonizer. he was head of the colonial office. re-elected in the '50s. he led a suppression of of an anti-colonial uprising in kenya. two of the party arrested on that were the president's grandfather and one barack obama sr., the president's dad. so obama actually has very good reasons to loathe winston churchill. you just don't know what they are.

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more on our big story. conservative author dinesh d'souza. joining us tonight, he is never shy about saying what he thinks. comedian and author penn jillett. you've went listening back there. any initial thoughts? >> it's rather troubling for me to agree with you on everything. i didn't really know what to do. i was back there going, piers is right on everying. i think the basic thing that troubles me so much is that everyone who's running for president and vice president, they are good people that don't have hidden agendas. they have differences in opinion.

to my taste, not enough differences of opinion. they're too similar to me. the idea that obama would ruin the country or he has an agenda to bring america down in the eyes of the world does seem i think the term is bug nutty. >> another point of yours, dinesh. you say obama wants to put americans more in debt. unfamiliar sight of chinese, brazilian visitors occupying the best tables in the best american restaurants. apart from the fact that why shouldn't they, this concept, dinesh, that obama wants, he wants to put americans more into debt. why on earth would any american president actively want to put his citizens into more debt? >> because if american citizens and if our children and grandchildren are saddled with more debt, at some point they're going to have to pay that money back. a good deal of our debt is held

by kuwaitis and by saudis and by chinese. so debt becomes a way of settling america's global colonial debts in obama's mind. let me say a word here. obama has added $5 trillion to the national debt. the highest deficit by bush, big spender by the way, was $500 billion. the lowest obama deficit is $1 trillion. there's no doubt if there wasn't a republican congress, obama would have spent even more. now, imagine if he gets a second term. adds $5 trillion more to the national debt. america would be $20 trillion in debt. $10 trillion of of that added by one man. so from george washington -- >> you're chomping at the bit here. get in. >> you sound like you have conspiracy to bring america down. and of all the things you could say about obama, that's just not true. i'm not an obama supporter, but what you're saying is insane and wrong. >> well, you're attacking a complete straw man. we actually know that obama has a hidden agenda.

obama leans over to the russian president medvedev, taps him on the thigh, and says listen mr. medvedev, i want to give you certain things about missile defense, but i need flexibility. you got to wait till after the election. obama's admitting if i told the american people now what i wanted to do, they may not vote for me. so wait till after the election, then we can do business. we know he has the hidden agenda. we don't know what that is. >> there's no doubt that was a moment, for those of us who don't like to be cynical, we have a lot of dancing on that. that was a horrible moment. that was an agenda he's telling the american people. you're just right on that. >> here's the point, dinesh. you obviously, you're a smart guy. you've got a lot of opinions. it's the way you are trying. this is the point that penn has. which i agree with it, it's not so much that we don't think you can criticize president obama. of course you can. many areas. it's the facthat you believe there is underpinning all these things israel, britain, debt, et cetera. america's decline.

there is a sort of craven lust by president obama to want to do all these terrible things. when of course that can't be the case. >> well, all i'm saying is this. i'm offering a theory to explain obama's behavior. i'm saying obama at his heart is an anti-colonialist that believes american superiority is bad for the world. he believes america is a dominant power that projects its power badly in the world. what obama would like to do is shrink, pull back america's footprint in the world because he thinks we've been stepping on the world. so i'm not saying he's an evil guy. i'm simply saying -- >> hang on. dinesh, let me jump in there. there is another way of looking at this. actually, a lot of the damage to america's reputation as a super power had been done in the previous eight years. in the way america responded to 9/11 by going into what many viewed as an illegal war in iraq, with all the fallout that occurred there. then going to afghanistan. committing hundreds of thousands of troops, american troops, at

vast expense, which also drained the economy. when there were many other ways you can go after bad guys this world. as we saw with gadhafi. when no american troops were committed. and he got taken out. and there was a totally different game plan. obama perhaps should be credited with actually not wanting to just stamp around the world, you know, behaving like some sort of imperialistic bully. that's how some people outside america have viewed what happened in places like iraq. >> well, the problem is this. that is, in libya, obama used force, claiming he was preventing genocide. now, how many people had gadhafi killed at that point? about 250. meanwhile in syria, tens of thousands of people are killed by -- >> wait a minute. i'm not going to let you get away with that. you think colonel gadhafi has only killed -- before he was killed himself -- he only killed 250 libyans? >> he only killed 250 libyans before obama initiated the use

of force, yes. >> hang on. what do you mean in totality? 40-year despotic regime. he killed tens of thousands of libyans. >> there was a revolt that began out of ben ghazi. obama said, look, gadhafi's been in power for decades. in fact, the united states was doing business with gadhafi. remember, he was outing terrorists. he was paying reparations for the lockerbie bomber. he was actually doing business with america. he had been somewhat behaving himself since 9/11. >> if you remember, if you remember, he was abouto commit a massacre -- >> about to commit -- >> of -- yes, well, isn't the time to -- wait a minute. isn't the time to get -- >> it's syria that has done a much greater massacre and obama has absolutely refused to use military force -- >> i agree with you -- >> how do you explain the double standard? >> i'm just about to come to syria. let me explain about libya first. he prevented, many people believe, a terrible massacre

occurring. surely the job of responsible presidents of the united states is to prevent. not wait for them to happen and then react. isn't it better to get in first? syria, i agree with you. syria, i agree with you. the international community has been far too slow. >> i have a larger concern. that is, there are three important countries in the middle east. iran, egypt, saudi arabia. iran has been in the hands of the radical muslims since 1979. now, we are seeing egypt move into the radical islamic orbit. what's left? saudi arabia. now, can you imagine if, in the second obama term, saudi arabia were to fall, the radical muslims would come so much closer to their dream, which they've now had for 100 years -- >> let me bring you in. in between some of these crazy statements -- >> what's crazy about them? >> -- no, no -- >> half of it already happened. >> some of your statements, dinesh, sound completely barking

mad. others have credence to them. about egypt, about saudi, has some merit to it. >> from my point of view, he's accusing obama as being anti-colonialist, which i think is a good idea. i don't think we should be doing as much overseas as we are. i know you can talk about how many lives were saved but having america guess at who the winners and losers are overseas. getting all these entangling alliances. i would like to see us doing much less. >> here's a point you might agree with me. >> i think we can wait -- i think we can wait till damage is done and not have to predict everything. and surely not the overseas nation building when our own country needs that. >> i've got to say, dinesh, even though i don't agree with half of what you say, i rather enjoy the way you say it. please come back soon. >> i would love to. >> nice to see you. >> always a pleasure. come back soon. next, the man who taught paul ryan everything he knows about fitness.

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this is a workout i've done for about a year and a half now. it's called muscle confusion and cross training. i've a workout guy. i actually was a fitness trainer. i keep my body fat between 6% and 8%. >> some paul ryan's interview with politico. he might not have become mitt romney's running mate without the help of my next guest. tony horton. the creator of the p-90 x fitness routine. a political hunk and he has sold 4 million dvds since 2005. welcome. >> great to be here. >> crushingly bad news for you. >> oh, my. >> you won't be aware of this but your client, your number one client, the man who's now telling the world about the merits of your magnificent routine, was caught doing this today. >> oh, boy. >> cheers. >> now, that is one of the biggest hot dogs i've ever seen.

massive amount fries around him. a load of cokes as well. this is a bad move, isn't it? >> that can happen. you have your cheat days. that's all right. he's having one today. that's perfectly okay. we're not robots here. we're just talking about the importance of being consistent with your diet and exercise. he's been pretty good for quite a long time. >> he's obviously incredibly disciplined. this 6% to 8% body fat is ridiculous. it's the stuff of super models. do you recommend people of a certain age go that far? should he have that tiny amount of body fat? >> it's a measurement like body weight or bmx or bmi. just a way of keeping track of things. he's very lean. he's very disciplined. i've been the congressional gym now 6 to 8 times with members on either side of the aisle. both democrats and republicans working together in the gym to focus on the health and fitness. understanding it's not just about weight loss or body fat percentages. it's truly being able to function better.

>> what makes this a very special thing, because i've tried all sorts of routines. i normally ruin them myself with good old-fashioned british beer and fish and chips. what makes your one so effective? what is different about it? >> we call it muscle confusion. it's no different than what jack la lane was doing in the '40s -- >> my muscles are confused. >> you've got to keep them completely baffled. that is the trick. one day it's pilates. the next day it's yoga. then resistance. you're trying to prevent boredom injuries and plateaus. those are the things that stop most people in their tracks. they're focused too much on the scale. they're focused too much on losing weight so they can look good in a dress at a wedding in the future when the next day nobody cares. >> if you do this six days week as hard as you recommend people do, can you just go completely crazy as paul ryan appears to have done today? just scarf hotdogs all day? >> there's no one size fits all here. he's on the campaign trail. he's put in situations where you

can't look at the hot dog and say no, i'm on the p-90 x. he's being flexible. he's a smart politician. >> when he came to you, what shape was he in then? >> he was in great shame when i met him. when i met him, they started the program together in the congressional gym. they drew in more because they were the two going into the gym and getting the best results. they were getting off the elliptical machine and the treadmill. >> are you actually the answer then to all this terrible tension and stress and warring in washington? is the answer to get them all in the gym? is that where they come together? >> well, when i'm there, it's a very bipartisan affair. we talk about what to do on the road. or what are modifications if i can't do an exercise. we'll get in a big circle. dems and republicans hang out together. just talking about what we can do to make it easier for us to do our job. it's kind of fun to see. all that other stuff we see in the press, i've never experienced that. >> is he a good payer?

>> a good payer? >> payer. does he always pay up on time and give you a good tip? >> there's no payment. i do it for free. >> really? >> yeah. >> how come he gets a freebie? >> they all do. they invited me to the congressional gym to work them out so that's a freebie for me. >> he's even reducing the budget on his own gym bills, he hasn't got any. >> i'm not aware of that. the congressional gym is very modest. people would think it is an elaborate thing. it's a basketball court with a locker room and a little side gym. very modest. >> the what are the things that people like me waste most of our time doing in terms of keeping fit? what are the things i should forget about doi? >> stop being attached to the outcome. we have these expectations of how you'll look in the futur >> that's the whole point. there's no point in saying stop thinking about that. >> you can fret about what you want to look like in the future. if you exercise right now, when that routine is over, you've improved your health, your fitness, your quality of life, your range of motion and your immune system.

it's not just the physical things so your ego can be satisfied because other people have nice things to say about you. it's doing things that help you function better as a human being so you become less of a burden and more of a solution. >> will you be voting republican after this? >> we're going there, are we? i'm a big fan of paul ryan. >> that wasn't the question. >> i have not decided yet. >> yes, you have. >> no, honestly. when i was young and broke -- >> does he know you're wavering? does he know after all the commitment he's given you, you still haven't given him his vote? >> we never discuss it. >> it's been a pleasure to meet you. >> thanks thanks for having me. next, crashing down the side of a mountain and living to tell the tale. my prime time exclusive with the two drivers. hey. looking to trade the old girl in?

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the pikes peak international hill climb. the car was obliterated turning over and over again. incredibly the driver survived. they join me now for a prime time exclusive. welcome. and i really mean that. you should not be here, either of you. what an incredible escape. tell me what happened. >> we came into a corner. it's a well-known corner that's pretty tricky. i think we had one competitor last year go off the same corner. we weren't aware it had been raining on and off in this elevation. it's quite a long ways that we go up. as soon as jeremy turned in, the moment i knew it was open for us when we were towards the gravel and flying off the edge. i had a slightly delayed reaction. pretty much after that it was just tumble, tumble, try to hang on and hope for it to stop as soon as possible. >> that moment when you realize

you're going off the cliff, that's got to be one of life's more sobering moments. describe exactly how you felt. you're the driver, you've lost control. i've rolled a car once before, it's terrifying. but to do it here down a cliff, you must be thinking, this is it. we're going to die. >> that's exactly what i was thinking, piers. the entire race has treacherous offs like this where if you do go off the course, then death or severe injury is basically imminent. you always think about that in the back of your mine but you never think it will happen to you. you always leave a little margin of error just in case. so to know split second before you go flying off a cliff that it's your turn, it's one of the most frightening things i've experienced in my life. sns. >> what was going through your

mine? do you have time to think about anything? people talk in these moments of their lives flashing through their minds. what happened? did you think? did you think anything? >> no. it's surprising you do have a lot of time to think and it's surprising how much you can get done. in my case there was that moment when we got airborne, that seemed like an eternity itself. after the first two hits i felt my arm just going out. i felt it go and i was able to pull it back in and grab on to the seatbelts and try to contain myself within the seat as much as i can. after that you're praying for it to stop rolling. you don't know how far you're going to go you see light flashing all over the place. you don't know which way is up. >> i have gone . >> i was quite amused that you described one of the most terrible moments of your life. >> unfortunately i have been in a few accidents in my life. i have rolled a car and i've been hit by a truck in a very similar car on the street,

actually. and it was a very severe accident had that truck hit me a split second later i would actually possibly not be talking with you guys today. this impact was different because it was repetitive and each roll and tumble is like whole other car wreck over and over again. everybody talks about experiencing car wrecks and either very fast or very slow speed and i have to say that this was just a drawn-out ordeal that we both were praying for ourselves and for the event to just come to a stop. we've taken -- >> yuri, the blissful moment came when you did stop and you realize you're both still alive. although i think one of you was unconscious, right? >> that would be me, yes. i -- the biggest impact i think, or at least on my end, other than the initial one was when we landed backwards in that rut that actually slowed the car

down to stop the roll. that's when i hit the hardest and lost consciousness for five seconds or so. for me coming to was just had i white haze everywhere and trying to figure out what was going on and all i felt was pain in the shoulder and the knee. >> and jeremy you were fully conscious and realizing you're alive, you've survived this horrific crash in a miraculous way. what were you thinking as you are laying there? >> my very first thought as the car came to a halt and gathered my senses my first thought was yuri's well-being. i was deeply and extremely worried about him. his life and responsibility was in my hands and of course i felt guilty for putting that at risk and putting him in harm. >> yuri, will you guys be doing anything like this again?

is it like riding a horse and falling off you have to get back in a car and go around more mountains. >> this was kind of a step outside of our realm of what we're used to doing. we're both auto crossers and rally crossers. the things that we typically do are much lower speed and less kind of room for error, or if you hit something it's a cone or something. this was definitely our stab at something a little more difficult. to answer your question, probably not tomorrow. we won't get in the car and do the same thing tomorrow. but i think time will tell if we want to come back and tackle it over again. >> well, it's an amazing story. i congratulate you both on surviving this crash and being able to tell the story today. it's one of the most extraordinary bits of video i've ever seen where both people lived to tell the tale so congratulations to both of you. >> thank you. >> when we come back, only in america. the state of the states.

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georgia is obviously hot and apparently pennsylvania and connecticut are haunted. at least this is according to google. this is some of the results you get when you use the search engine's auto correct function. one blogger capitalist has put it together on an interactive map. he started by typing the phrase, "why is california for example so blank. and let google finish the results. new york is great, populated, expensive and big. texas is awesome, cheap, hot and conservative. and florida is weird, humid, trashy and again, hot. these are not my personal assessments. i think they're all wonderful, obviously. this is all according to the wisdom of the crowd via google. so i did an experi