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bonds who are looked at with less heart. we don't know. time is going to tell. >> it's a remarkable tail. appreciate you being on. >> thank you. >> we ran out of the time for the riduculist. that does it for us. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> mitt romney is staring down a hurricane but it could be president obama who is headed for very rough seas. we've got new numbers, new money, and a whole new fight. a deadly shooting at the height of rush hour just outside the empire state building. new york police commissioner and an eyewitness "outfront" tonight. and a dallas woman is dead after she called 911, pleading for her life. why did it take 50 minutes for police to show up? and why did two days go by before her body was found? let's go "outfront." >> evening, i'm john foreman, in
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for erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a new storm warning. forget the hurricane, forget the vice president cruising tampa looking for a fight, forget everything you know about this election so far. because in florida tonight mitt romney's team is preparing to unleash a flood of money that could dramatically change the political landscape. listen to him today sounding confident in his home state of michigan. >> i don't want four more years, of what we have, do you? i want to get america on an entirely different track. a track of greatness and strength and vitality and prosperity. and i know how to do it. >> with the republican convention looming, new polls show the race is still very tight. take a look. president obama has a slight overall lead. two-points. that's in the margin of error. he's boosted with a 12-point edge with women. same margin with younger voters. a 29 point lead among big city folks. and he's done it with ads like this.
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>> he's made his choice. but what choices will women be left with? >> he supports paul ryan's budget which would cut education by 20%. >> now mitt romney's attacking the president on medicare? >> but consider the cost. to get that small overall advantage in the polls, the president and his supporters have had to outspend the republicans, not just mitt romney, but also all those outside groups supporting romney let's coare some of the spending just by the candidates alone in battleground states since april. in colorado, the president has spent $8.5 million. romney, a bit more than four. in ohio, again, the president has more than doubled romney's spending. 21.6 million to 9.4 million. virginia, same thing. 8.4 million to just under 4 million. florida, nearly triple, 21.9 million to 8.5 million.
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all of that has left mitt romney with substantially more money in his campaign treasure chest which over the next few days, kind of complex money there, but look at the bottom line there, cash on hand, 197 million for mitt romney there. as this convention takes off, he's expected to start pouring that money out there. "outfront" tonight to talk about the impact of that financial storm, democratic strategist hilary rosen, glad you're here. strategist reihan salam. and ken porter. romney supporter has spent an awful lot on his ads. why has he spent so little compared to the president? >> thanks to a couple court decisions in 2010, are able to accept unlimited funds from people, corporations, even unions, though we see that more on the left, to air really hard-hitting ads attacking president obama. we've seen these groups give mitt romney air cover. bombarding the president with negative ads.
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while mitt romney sort of sits back and stockpiles funds. just waiting for the opportunity which is probably nearing for him to come out with his own advertising campaign. it's a huge advantage that democrats have been scrambling to try to offset by dispatching some of their stars to get their biggest donors to get money to outside groups set up on the left. but so far they have yet to come off the sidelines in a way that matches what republicans have done. >> hilary, let me ask you a question. in all fairness here, i know you're behind the president 100%. i know you've decried the influence of all these outside groups. but when this amount of money has been spent for an incumbent president and the polls are still this close and the opponent has this big bankroll waiting to go, does this got to make you nervous? >> it makes me really nervous. and i think it makes the obama campaign nervous. you know, in some respects, it's money well spent. in many respects, it's money well spent.
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one place i thingives me extra pause is in colorado. where the numbers are just not moving far enough towards the president that i'd like to see. but what we've -- what democrats have done in spending that money has been to really define mitt romney in a way that has driven up his negatives. i mean, he has much higher negatives in polling than president obama does. and i think it was important, when you knew you were going to face an onslaught of, you know, not just 100 million or 200 million, maybe a $500 million difference in advertising in this campaign, that you kind of get first out of the box to define the opponent and that was the strategy of the obama campaign. define mitt romney first. knowing that the negative advertising is going to come later. and hope that you've built enough of a wall to sustain you. >> that's a big question isn't it, reihan? the question of, is this too much money too fast, and now in the homestretch, suddenly here comes mitt romney and the republicans chugging out the money.
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>> i think hilary made great points. i think that money has been pretty well spend. the democrats have another big advantage that flows from one of those court decisions that ken vogel mentioned before. one the lesser known provisions of the citizens united provision is before labor unions couldn't engage in direct voter contact with folks who did not belong to a labor union. now they can get their disciplined cadres out there to knock on doors, whether or not that household is a member of a union or not. a lot of the ways democrats capitalize is by having those disciplined union folks actually getting out the vote in a very direct fashion. that's something money can't buy. it's expensive for republicans to mimic that kind of thing just by hiring folks. >> for mitt romney, think about what he said today. he made this crack today that everybody said sounded like a birther comment about the president. listen to this. >> now, i love being home in this place where ann and i were raised. where both of us were born. ann was born at henry ford hospital.
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i was born at harper hospital. no one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. they know that this is the place where we were born and raised. >> the obama campaign is already raising money off of this. they're calling it a cheap shot. they're calling it a new low. for all these advantages and money mitt romney may have in the homestretch is this stuff helping him or hurting him? >> one thing everyone agrees on is in the final stretch of a campaign earned media counts for a lot. if obama can turn a gaffe of that kind into a huge advantage, if the media covers stories about that rather than unemployment, that's a huge advantage. the obama campaign from their 2008 experience, from very bare-knuckle politics knows how to generate earned media well. money can be neutralized by stories of this kind and distracting folks. >> ken, can money really be neutralized? as a practical matter in almost every race, if you spend more,
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you win. >> yeah, well, there are studies that produce mixed results on that. certainly we've seen self-funders who have put a ton of their own money into campaigns and lost because there is some backlash to it. the obama campaign is trying to gin up that backlash. they're trying to use -- in the same way they use that gaffe by mitt romney about the birth certificate, they try to use the spending disadvantage that they have with some of these outside groups to encourage their small donors and their ground troops, the folks who reihan alluded to, whether they're in unions or otherwise, to become mobilized and try to offset that advantage that republicans have. in the end, the outside cash is helpful. i should also add that money can, in fact, buy the ground game. that's one thing the obama campaign has invested heavily in, putting offices in a lot of these key states. in some places, some key states like ohio, we see the obama campaign and the democratic
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parties there with four times more staff than the romney campaign. and the republican party, so that's an area where democrats do have an advantage. and it is both a result of money and also having -- >> we're going to have to jump in really quick. very short answer here. in the name of that, good idea, bad idea, sending joe biden down to campaign in tampa while the republicans meet? the. >> oh, good idea. you know, just keep them on their toes. i think we have to be in their face every time. you know who better to do it than somebody with as much heart and energy and passion than joe biden. >> he'll say what he thinks, that's for sure. thank you, appreciate it. "outfront" next, new details on the path of tropical storm isaac. plus, we'll take you live to haiti, a country which is bracing for the impact from this huge storm. plus, details of an a harming threat made to a classmate months before james holmes allegedly killed 12 people in that movie theater in colorado. and a dallas woman calling 911, screaming for help, but when police show up, 50 minutes
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our second story "outfront," tropical storm isaac on target to hit haiti tonight. soaking the country with rrential rain and whipping winds up to 60 miles per hour. haiti no stranger to natural disasters of course. already has hundreds of thousands of people still living
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in tents after that terrible earthquake back in 2010. "outfront," martin savidge is in haiti. when you already have a country still struggling as much as haiti is, how does that complicate the preparations for a storm like this? >> in some ways, it's almost simplified by the fact that most people here have either no money to spend for preparations or they have no place to go. they simply have where they are at. that's where most of them will spend tonight. right here, on the southern coast, it should be feeling brunt of the storm already, but it's been playing a nervous waiting game with isaac just off shore. it remains to be seen how severe the winds and especially the rains will be. that's the biggest concern, the rain. water coming down from haiti's mountains. rocketing down the mountainsides and flooding into port-au-prince where the huge tent ciies are. those are the areas that are under the gun.
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the hope is right now since most people can't do anything about it is that isaac will stay far enough away that the rain won't be that bad but it isn't enough to pin your hope on. >> we certainly hope it does go that way. martin, thanks. in tampa, florida, site of next week's republican convention, they're of course keeping a very close eye on isaac. florida's republican governor rick scott is with us too. a lot resources in florida. you have a lot of experience there dealing with storms. how you getting ready for this one? >> well, first off, your heart goes out to everybody in haiti. they're going to get the brunt of this, the first part of this. but i've been leading the rnc, federal officials and state and local for the last few days, keep everybody informed, so make everybody makes good decisions. tampa will get looks like rain and wind. but we're going to -- the keys, we're going to have wind starting sunday.
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landfall sunday night. and then if it follows, the track it's on now, we'll have landfall and wind on tuesday in the panhandle. the key's going to be what happens in cuba. as it goes over the land mass, will it dissipate or not. and the more it dissipates, the less the wind and rain we're going to get in florida. >> like every florida governor i've ever known, you're about half meteorologist because you have to be. >> oh, you learn. tom you're absolutely right. i know high pressure now, low pressure, i've learned all this now. >> of course there is the interest. the first concern of course is people, their homes, their lives. there's also interest about the convention. does not look like a whole lot more than rain and wind. it's fairly promising, isn't it? >> yeah, you know, we're optimistic. i'm responsible to make sure all 19 million people are safe.
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think about it, we're a state that knows about hurricanes and we also know about hospitality. we're prepared for the hurricane. and when all these delegates and other visitors come to see us, we're very good at keeping them safe, making sure they have a good experience. >> this is a big party for republicans and every republican i know in the country wanted this party to be all week long about the economy and what you feel president obama hasn't done and whatou can do. instead, we're having discussions about hurricanes. we're talking about abortion rights. we're talking about the definition of rape. is this tremendously frustrating if you're a republican right now? >> well, i think when you get to november, when people go vote, in florida, i know, because it's the exact same -- my election was very similar to this, it's all going to be about who will help me keep my job or get me a job. when you go vote, it's going to be about jobs. there will be maybe discussions about other issues but the
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voters will decide who is going to keep me working. >> all right. well, governor, i'll be down there to join you in a couple days down there. thanks for joining us. >> all right, look forward to seeing you. it will be a great event. >> ahead, google is feeling lucky and hopes that you are too. and look at this, ann romney opens up and she gets emotional. >> so you just knew that's where he was. he was going to do anything he could to just say, i'm here, you're okay, just stay right there. and we'll be okay. at usaa, we believe honor is not
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tonight? are you feeling lucky tonight? well, google certainly hopes so. perhaps you've noticed that strange little button below the google search box that reads, i'm feeling lucky. frankly, i never really knew what this thing is for. if you enter a search term and hit that button, it takes you not to a list of search results but instead directly to a website related to your subject. the problem is, very few of us ever feel lucky. only about 1% of searches take that route for results. so google is changing it up.
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now, instead of offering just an "i'm feel lucky" option, you can choose "i'm feeling playful" which can lead you to an old google doodle game. or "i'm feeling artistic." which might lead you to images of art. and maybe "i'm feeling trendy." takes you to what's trending right now. things there in the news, that sort of thing. the whole point is to steer all of us clueless searchers toward more google products and propel us to explore the internet in general more than we do. because just roaming around the internet has become a very big business. the number tonight, 25 million. that's how many registered users are on stumbleupon.com. it helps users explore the internet by taking them to web pages and media that have topics you have an interest in. for example, a travel blog. or a slide show of america's
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greatest beaches. according to the company's website, users log on and have an average of 300 stumbles a month. that's an awful lot of stumbling. that's our number tonight. still "outfront," one person is dead and eight are injured after gunfire erupt outside the great landmark the empire state building. terrified some people here this morning. some of the injured may, may have been shot in the police cross fire. we just don't know yet. nypd commissioner ray kelly and a witness "outfront" next. and she called 911 screaming for help but two days later it was her family who found her dead. so what went wrong? her sisters are "outfront" tonight. why not take a day to explore your own backyard? with two times the points on travel, you may find yourself asking why not, a lot.
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start the second half of our show with stories we care about. where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. breaking news right now. a verdict has been reached in the epic patent infringement trial between apple and samsung. a federal jury in california recommending apple be awarded more than $1 billion in damages after finding that samsung was guilty of, quote, willful
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violations on a number of apple's patents. it's kind of complicated but the bottom line is they're saying apple was right. given the complexity of the case, many weren't expecting a verdict till sometime next week. iran's military facility. the image from goi and isis shows two buildings covered with large pink tarps. the larger of those two buildings is expected to be a high explosive test building. david albright of the institute for science and international security says the purpose of the coverings of the building could be to conceal further cleanup activity or to contain activity inside. today, a meeting in vienna between iaea officials and iran, which in part was to discuss access to the site, ended without any progress being made there. we're learning more about james holmes. the man accused of killing 12 people in that movie theater in colorado. according to court documents,
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holmes had conversations with a classmate about wanting to kill people. that happened months before the shooting. the documents also state that holmes made threats to a professor after failg his graduate school oral boards it the details were made public in court files. mexican federal police opened fire on an american diplomatic vehicle. just south of mexico city. a senior u.s. government official tells cnn that two u.s. citizens working at the u.s. embassy were taken to the hospital with nonlife threatening wounds. the federal police officers were being questioned by authorities and they might be prosecuted. it's been 365 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? it's a good day for stocks. the dow gained 100 points it the s&p 500 rose by 9. our third "outfront" story tonight, gunfire. right here on the streets of manhattan.
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amateur video of a chaotic and frightening scene. you can see the shooter on the ground. police had just shot him moments before. johnson had pulled out a handgun and he shot a former colleague dead outside the empire state building. eight other people were injured. caught in the cross fire. >> he killed one person and at least nine other people were shot. and some may have been shot accidentally by police officers, who responded immediately. and while confronting the suspect and fatally shooting him, unfortunately, there may have been other victims as well. >> the victim is 41-year-old steven urkilini. according to the state university in new york here where he was a 1992 graduate. new york police commissioner ray kelly "outfront" to talk about this. what's the latest on this investigation tonight? >> where are we on the investigation? we know there was a long-standing despite between
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these two individuals. they worked at the same firm. it's called hazon imports. it was a dispute apparently centered on the fact that urkilino was not selling, at least in johnson's opinion, much of his product or what he designed as he wanted him to. out a year, year and a half ago, johnson was terminated as a result of downsizing. he continued to return to the firm because he was in their medical plan. he was somehow getting checks. and he would have a confrontation with urkilini virtually every time he went back. >> was there any harassment complaint? >> there was a cross-harassment complain in april 2011. this was an ongoing dispute. apparently johnson determined to kill urkilini. today, he waited for him outside the place of business, 10 west 33rd street. when he showed up, shot him without any conversation, shot
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him once in the head, and then shot him in the torso. he then walks east on 33rd street and people saw him do the shooting. construction worker and others followed him. he goes north on fifth avenue. they point out to two police officers in front of the empire state building that he, quote, just killed a man around the corner. the officers go to approach him. he turns, takes out a gun -- his gun out of a briefcase,officers. the officers fire at him. he's struck and he expires at the scene. now, there were flower pots and other objects around. so when the officers did fire, their bullets fragmented and in essence that's what caused the wounds of the bystanders. now, a total of nine people were hit. six of them had been treated and released. there's still three people in the hospital. but in essence, a result of fragments from the police fire.
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>> it's always a very difficult circumstance for police, particularly around a big landmark like that, where you have so many civilians, people who have nothing to do with anything whether happen to be in the area. are you satisfied with the response? police departments always get challenged about this sort of thing. >> yeah, well, if you see the film, you'll see that the officers are confronted with this individual from about five feet away and he points a weapon right at them. they were told he had just killed somebody. i see no reasonable alternative for the officers other than to shoot. >> you had the incident in times square earlier this month. 12 shots were fired there with a man with a large knife. same questions there. you said you felt the response from the officers was correct. >> yeah. well, each of these situations are different. this was a fluid situation. he had moved from 43rd street down to 38th street. he was threatening people. we did not have a taser available because not every officer has a taser. but one waon the way.
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sergeants and emergency services officers have tasers. two officers in the radio car tried to cut him off. they drove up on the sidewalk. he's moving south. he's threatening people with the knife in his hand. they get out of the radio car and they stand on the side where he's approaching. he lunges at them. they fired their weapons. he was hit. now, in the process, he was -- attempted to pepper spray him a total of six times. obviously it didn't affect him. he could have stabbed other people in the area -- >> one other thing, when you have a circumstance like this today, obviously, you have to investigate every police shooting incident. you have to investigate it thoroughly. does that also always involve a review of your basic policies? or is that more of a universal thing you do? >> no, each shooting -- we certainly look at it, you know, in relation to our policies. we have, you know, a group -- just left the meeting where we
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would go through a thorough review. we talk to experts on our ammunition. we have our lawyers there. with have the commander of the area there who gives a in depth brief. we have our crime scene unit there. it's an in depth examination. this is just the beginning of the investigation. we have a firearms review process on our borough level and at the department level. so it is a thorough examination. it goes before -- or goes to the district attorney who may, in fact, present it to a grand jury. so we do more in depth examination of our officer's use of deadly force than any other jurisdiction i'm aware of. we have the lowest level of police officer use of force, deadly force, of any major city that i'm aware of. >> i know it's been a long day, difficult day for some families here. thanks for coming in. curtis horn was riding a new york city bus outside the empire
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state building when he heard these shots ring out. standing just a few yards from the shooter. he reacted with what you really can only call heroism and bravery, shielding a young girl and her mother from the shooting. tell me if you would, mr. horn, how did you see this evolve in front you? you were riding on the bus not thinking anything and suddenly what did you see? >> well, actually happened was a lot of shots just started coming. one, two, three, four, five. people on the but started panicking. the doors opens. the bus opened up wide. it was chaotic. i got inside and seen a young lady, a young girl, maybe 5 or 6 years old. she was in hysteria looking for her mother, i guess. her mother must have panicked. i just grabbed her and hit the deck with her, almost like military instincts. her mother found me and her and jumped down with us. next time i looked up, was about a million police officers in the area. it was crazy. >> you have some training in these matters so you're not entirely a civilian.
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>> yeah, i'm a licensed peace officer through nypd working with the metro museum of art here in new york city. ironically going to see my doctor, cardiologist actually. after 9/11, i had a heart attack and i have a pacemaker, defibrillator, which did not go off, which i was happy about. >> hundreds of people were everywhere. did you see people get shot? >> yeah, bodies laying all over the place. actually, pastor lady that was hit in the leg, and she was laying down, bleeding, and another body in the middle of the street. as i got up, started looking around, i saw people taking pictures everywhere. so i started taking pictures. it's just an instinct -- >> these are your pictures. did you know where the bullets were coming from? i think people always wonder what it would be like in the circumstance. did you know where the shots were coming from or who the shooter was? which person in the crowd was shooting? >> we didn't know who was shooting at that time. the bullets were come from, like, the south, then all of a sudden, didn't know.
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they were from all over the police. my eyes were looking for anything unusual, as i'm trained to do. fortunately, everybody came out -- at least most of us came out okay so -- >> were you nervous during all of this? >> you know, instincts kicked in. i usually act really strong under pressure. it's weird, but i do. and it just kicked in. after everything was over and i analyzed everything, i got nervous about it. >> then you went on to the doctor to have your heart checked out? >> actually, he checked everything out. he did a good job checking me out. he thoroughly checked me out because my pressure was a little elevated. he stabilized me. >> well, i'm glad you're here. again, a very difficult day for some people. very courageous action on your part to help some people out on, again, a very difficult day for folks here in new york. "outfront" next, a woman is dead after she called 911 pleading
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awful tale out of dallas. a woman appears to have been murdered in her own home while being for help. she called 911 at about 10:55 a.m. the call lasted 11 minutes but
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what happened next is what caused so much outrage. police were dispatched more than 30 minutes later. it was not given the highest priority. police arrived almost 50 minutes after that call was placed according to the newspaper. officers checked the outside of the house. they spoke to the neighbors. they found no signs of foul play. reportedly, they then left. two days later, deanna cook was found dead in her bathtub. her ex-husband charged with murder. shortly before the show, i spoke with carlitha cook dundy and her sister valencia. i asked her what it was like to hear her sister's call for help on that 911 call. >> i just heard her screams. i couldn't make out what she was saying. i could just hear he screaming. >> was it clear to you that this was an urgent, urgent call at that moment, that it was really in the immediate moment a dire situation? >> she was screaming at the top of her lungs from what i could
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hear and i could tell that it was my sister just by her voice, so yes. >> valecia, when you heard this from your sister, what was your response? >> i almost had a wreck because i was driving home from church. all i could say was, oh, my god, oh, my god, oh, my god, oh, my god. i think those are the only three words i said till i got back to dallas from san antonio. >> were both of you aware of some of the difficulties your sister had had with her ex-husband? >> yes. we were. >> give me a sense of what that was all about. what were you aware of? apparently the police had been called before because of problems there. >> regardless of how many times she had to call 911, you know, this was the one time that really, really mattered. and they were not there for her. >> valecia, do you believe that your sister could have been saved if they had responded
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immediately? >> i think something could have been done. if they responded immediately, my nieces wouldn't have had to find their mother. that would make a huge difference. my sister and my mother wouldn't have had to see it. that would have made a huge difference. >> carlethia, you went to her house two days after this 911 call. you contacted the police about this. what did the police tell you at the time when you were saying "there's something wrong here?" >> when we got there, my mom called 911, and the operator told my mom that she had a call from my sister from that address on the 17th and that they came out and no one answered the door. so my mom of course started to scream and say, hey, you know, send someone out. there's water coming out of here house. and the operator told my mom that before they could send someone out, that my mom had to call the jailhouse, the prisons
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and the hospitals to see if maybe she was there. the operator proceeded to give my mom those numbers. i just took it upon myself to kick the door down. >> when you went to break the door down, what did you think you were going to find? >> we could see the water, you know, coming out. it was something like a movie. of course we wasn't expecting, you know, to see what we saw but -- it was pretty bad. when i kicked the door down, the smell came out so it was pretty bad. >> you found her body right away? i assume? >> we had to -- we walked to her bedroom and she was -- we notice that her bedroom door had been kicked in. and that it was -- it looked to be a struggle. and we found her in the bathroom. >> well, the dallas police have since -- they say they've changed the way they dispatched their 911 calls since this
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happened. presumably that might help somebody in the future. does that satisfy you in any way? >> not at all. t even -- not even a little bit. because my sister is still gone. my nieces are still motherless. and they still have to live with the sight of their mother. >> a mother shouldn't have to find her mother -- her daughter after her daughter called 911 screaming and hollering for help. and daughters shouldn't have to find their mother. and a sister shouldn't have to find her sibling. two days after screaming for help on a 911 call. >> all right. well, i hope your family does the best they can getting through all this. carlethia, valencia, thank you for being with us tonight. the police acknowledge the call could have been designated a higher priority. they declined to comment further.
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not as an excuse but as a reference for you. each year the department handles about 2 million 911 calls. more than 140,000 are domestic disturbances. and take a look at these response times they provided to us from the dallas police department. for priority 1 calls, the highest priority, the goal is eight minutes. they say their average is 6.53 minutes. priority 2, the goal is 12 minutes for response time. the actual year to date, 12 minutes. of note, the call in the case of deanna cook was a priority 2 at the time. although now presumably it might be something different. we'll see if there's any follow-up to it. next, mitt romney revealed. a sneak peek of the cnn documentary you are not going to want to miss on the republican nominee. at usaa, we believe honor is not
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our fifth story "outfront," an exclusive look inside the romney family. you will want to join us on sunday night at 8:00 p.m. when cnn kicks off its coverage. with a very special program, romney revealed. family, faith and the road to power. the romney family opened up to gloria borger and, among other things, talked about ann's struggle with multiple sclerosis. >> it was just before thanksgiving 1998. >> she began to see some numbness on her right side. it began spreading. she was having more difficulty getting upstairs. we went to a neurologist. >> romney's life wasbout to take an unexpected and unhappy turn. >> we went into his office and he performed an examination and it was very clear that she was
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flunking the examination. she couldn't stand on her right foot without falling over and so forth. he stepped out. and she began to cry. and i welled up tears as well. and we hugged each other. and she said, you know, something's terribly wrong. >> at age 49, ann romney was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. an incurable disease that can shut down the central nervous system. >> you don't know how much is it going to chew me up and spit me out? and when is it going to spit me out? how sick am i going to get? is this going to be progressive? am i going to be in a wheelchair? it's a very, very frightening place to be. >> i know ann was really distraught and distressed. particularly as time went on. she was really ill for quite a while. >> i really just was having a hard time and was very depressed and had kind of given up a little bit. >> it was a tough moment for both of them.
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it was interesting to see the way he treated her as they went through that. very caring, very loving. very frustrating for him not to be able to step in and fix it. but it was -- they drew even closer. >> even when i was as sick as that, he would curl up in the bed with me. >> take a minute. >> so you just knew that that's where he was. it was like he was going to do anything he could to just say i'm here. you're okay. just stay right there. and we'll be okay. >> gloria joins me very quickly from washington, d.c. i know you've been working on this for months. it is a terrif show. now there's late news today that ann romney's role at the convention could be changing. >> right. i think it's very clear they wanted her to get the biggest audience she could. they wanted to make sure the
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networks were covering her. so they may switch her evening to evening, tuesday night, when instead of monday, when the networks will really be there. what they've discovered inside the campaign, and you just saw it, is that ann romney is someone who really humanizes mitt romney, tells their family story very well. and in a sense is the candidate's best character witness. so they want -- they clearly want her out there talking to voters. particularly talking to women voters. >> and is this a secret weapon they've been holding on to or is it one they really think this is the moment, she's really risen into this moment? >> i think this is the moment for her. you didn't hear too much from her during the primaries. once he got the nomination, clearly she started coming out there more and more. because the response to her from audiences has been very good. whereas mitt romney can be stiff, she is the one who softens him up. and she told me in our piece that the kids in the family call
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her the mitt stabilizer. when he sort of goes off spinning like a top, she calms him down. >> gloria borger, great, great show. don't miss it. i'll see you down in tampa, gloria. thanks for being with us. we have some breaking news. the new york police department, they've just released some surveillance video of the shooting. i want to warn you here. this is very graphic. i don't want you to watch it if you don't want to. this does show the police shooting of this man, jeffrey johnson. take a look at this video, what happens here. it's exactly what ray kelly told us about a while ago. there you see him. it's a little difficult to see. you see he goes down. you can see if you watch a little bit closer, what the police said, you can see him pointing something. that's where all of this seems to happen. it's a very dramatic moment in this video just released from the new york police department right now. you see a little bit of the