tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN September 5, 2012 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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bill clinton. >> he answered the attacks last week made in tampa, and plenty of attacks of his own. >> in tampa, the republican argument against the president's re-election was actually pretty simple, pretty snappy. it went something like this, we left him a total mess. he hadn't cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in. now, but they did it well, they looked good, they sounded good. they convinced me that they all love their families and their children, and were grateful they had been born in america. really, i'm not -- they did. and this is important.
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they convinced me they were honorable people who believed what they said. we just have to make sure the american people know what those commitments are. because in order to look like an acceptable reasonable moderate alternative to president obama, they just didn't say very much about the ideas they offered over the last two years. they couldn't. because they want to go back to the same old policies that got us in trouble in the first place. they want to cut taxes for high income americans, even more than president bush did. they want to get rid of those pesky financial regulations designed to prevent another crash and prohibit future bailouts. they want to actually increase defense spending over a decade, $2 trillion more than the pentagon has requested. without saying what they'll spend it on. and they want to make enormous cuts in the rest of the budget.
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especially programs that help the middle class and poor children. as another president once said, there they go again. now -- >> a lot of references in his speech, both subtle and direct of former republican president, ronald reagan. after clinton spoke president obama came out on stage, the two men shared a hug, appreciation for a speech that may have gone a long way in helping obama's campaign. a lot to talk about, quick reactions from our panelists. in terms of the top takeaway from tonight, john? >> he knows how to frame an argument, make a case opinion he has great passion. he speaks in a manner that president obama sometimes fails to do. president clinton's record as president made the argument powerful. >> we spent both of these conventions talking about how the candidates needed to be
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humanized by their spouses or whatever. you look at bill clinton, he's someone who talks about policy from his heart. and that is something he lived and he lived it when he was president. agree or disagree, this is a man who loves the journey of ideas, loves thinking about it, loves talking about it. and nobody else can drill down on the subject and tell a story. >> and the politics, i was struck just how how different -- four years ago, this was a man who was campaigning vigorously for his wife, saying some tough things about then candidate obama, not making the obama campaign happy. four years later, he's playing a critical role for the obama election. >> look at the party tonight, it's a party that's more energetic, a party that's diverse, a party that's going to work overtime to help re-elect president obama. you know, we had a very difficult moment in 2008. it was two wonderful incredible candidates fighting against each other, they came together and they're still together and tonight bill clinton once again
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validated president obama as someone who is up to the job and getting america back on -- >> they're not hanging out tonight having a beer together. they've gone their separate ways. >> it depends on the recipe, as you know. >> i agree, i think bill clinton is an incredibly skillful and fantastic storyteller. he told a story in that clip. all the problems were caused by the republicans for the last eight years, it was bill clinton that signed financial deregulati deregulation. it was democrats who stood in opposition to reigning in fannie mae and freddie mac which helped create the mortgage crisis. so he told a great story. the problem is, he used some facts that helped him, and ignored some facts that didn't help him, it was vintage clinton, it was great to watch. it was a great story. >> i'd like to go back to what i said last night, the democrats have now had two very good --
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surprisingly strong nights. >> they stumble over the platform, you think -- >> there was a stumble tonight, it was quiet, but they ended on -- they had a tremendous finish. if barack obama tomorrow night can make it 3 for 3, they could break out in this election. they've been trying to do that. the dynamics have been steady all along, they have a chance. i think they have a chance -- >> you've seen bounces before for democrats that then have faded away. >> it's been a while. bill clinton has a bit of a balance to carry the bush race, they both have eight points, they matched up. because of the polarization, the cable era, president obama just got two points four years ago against john mccain. most of us knew it was a democratic year. you sort of knew it, here's my big question, i think david's right, they've had a very good show. carly rightfully points to the questions bill clinton made. if you have three good nights,
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my question is, what happens over breakfast friday morning. the government will release the latest unemployment report. that could be a 2x4, if it's positive and they have three good nights, they may get the glass half empty. if it's negative it's going to take the air out of the balloon. >> people's ideas on the economy is already cooked. there's not going to be anything so surprising that's going to change what people think -- >> it's a small slice that's available. this is all these speeches, all this money, all this coverage, it's about this tiny percentage of people in eight states. if they start to come over and get whacked with a bad economic report. >> let's go to wolf blitzer on the floor. >> they're only about 100 votes away from -- it's not a huge surprise, barack obama clinching the democratic nomination behind us, the role call is continuing. kate bolduan is on the floor. what do you have? >> minnesota --
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>> it doesn't look like we've connected with kate right there. they're getting ready to clinch this, senator klobuchar. it's a procedural thing, they have to do it to make it legal. jessica yellin is here, candy crowley, let's listen as they go over the top. >> you will understand when mississippi passes at this point for ohio. >> thank you, mississippi. mississippi passes to ohio. ohio, you have 191 votes. >> thank you, alice. madam secretary. i'm chris redford, chairman of the ohio democratic party. ohio, the battleground state,
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ohio the state that elects presidents as we did in 2008. ohio, the home of american heroes, and american icons. the home of neil armstrong and john glenn. the home of senator sherrod brown and governor ted strickland. and ohio, in spite of mitt romney's efforts, the home of the chevy cruz and chrysler jeep and 850,000 american jobs. ohio, madam secretary casts all 188 votes for the president and the next president of the united states, barack obama. >> thank you, mr. chairman. ohio casts 188 votes for barack obama. >> that's not a surprise, ohio,
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not a surprise at all. that ohio puts president obama over the top. those who are remaining here, the delegates and the guests are cheering because he now once again officially is the democratic presidential nominee, so they can move forward on this. it's not going to be a surprise, jessica, and candy. you know what, i believe that joe biden will get the vice presidential nomination later tonight as well. >> this arena is about one third full for his speech. >> hold on a second. we'll get that microphone of yours working. we're not hearing you. biden will get the official vice presidential nomination tomorrow. jessica, give me a takeaway of what we've seen on this second day of the democratic convention? >> well, former president clinton had a three-fold mission to energize the party base, to draw a strong distinction for the democrats and republicans,
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and to sort of establish president obama's credibility on his economic vision. that was his challenge. obviously he met the challenge. as we've been saying, it's up to president obama to make his own case tomorrow night. i think questioning whether he'll give a good speech is silly. we know president obama can give a good speech. will he embrace tomorrow night? no, it's more extreme than sequestration. but the question is, what happens in the coming days? so i think you can expect a strong speech. and the case the president clinton has laid out, it will be interesting to see if president obama picks up on some of these themes. >> candy, what do you think? >> i think that bill clinton did a lot of things that president obama cannot in some cases and will not do tomorrow night. it was defensive of the obama
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record, which now he doesn't need to do. it was wildly aggressively partisan, even though it was cloaked in that oh, i like the bushes and i worked with reagan, and then he just smash mouth. i mean, was a pretty aggressive partisan speech. president obama doesn't have to do that tomorrow night. what does it free the president up to do? it frees him up to do what he does best, which is that rhetoric, and the flourishing. he can move forward. because bill clinton has done the smashing, he's done the defensiveness, and now barack obama can come in here and do what he does best. >> 2 for 2 as david gergen says. bill clinton did a great job, michelle obama did a great job last night. tomorrow night, it's up to the president of the united states to do a great job for himself. president obama certainly has some hard acts to follow when he speaks to this convention tomorrow night. can he live up to the speeches given by his wife, by the former
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we believe that we're all in this together is a far better philosophy than, you're on your own. >> former president bill clinton electrifying the crowd here at the democratic national convention earlier this evening. the crowds have largely gone away, the role call is still underway. a number of people do remain here, the bars and restaurants in this area are filling up, people trying to make their way back to the hotels. some of them staying very far away as we continue to watch the role call. piers, take it away. >> thanks, anderson. there's a buzz here, guys after what was an extraordinary speech. what did you make of it? we got two ends of the spectrum
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he here. to me, that was pound for pound, dollar for dollar, one of the great modern political speeches i've ever heard. >> yeah, 20 years plus i've been with president clinton, he continues to raise the bar. he never calls it a speech, like when he's like work on it with his staff. he always calls it a talk. he does not like the lift and loft and grandeur that i hope we'll see from president obama. they're sort of the yin and yang of the democratic party. i think if you can make substance riveting, you are doing a great job. >> a great tweet coming from the washington post, he had 3,136 words prepared, he delivered 5,895, including audience applause. classic bill clinton. go with the flow, ad lib. i mean, the teleprompter froze
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at one point, he carried on. >> it was ad libbed, but also deeply considered. clinton put his finger on the h-bomb of this election, and that is the issue of nursing homes. the ryan/romney plan proposes to hold harmless people who are seniors or over 55 from any cuts to medicare. seniors vote in enormous numbers. it might seem like they have nothing to worry about. but the ryan/romney plan proposes to make big cuts in medicaid, that is the program that increasingly pays for more and more of nursing home care. by talking about nursing homes, clinton put the senior vote back in contention. by reminding them of their fears. people congratulate bill clinton too much for this speech. it's important to remember, that the reason it was powerful was because of the strategic decision by republicans to endorse the ryan plan. they didn't have to do that. and some of us have been pleading with them for a year, do not do this, do not commit
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this election. do not make the selection committee restructure the welfare state. make it about obama's job's record. the republicans chose not to do that, and they set themselves up for this comeback tonight that is not just clinton's credit, that is an utterly unnecessary republican mistake. >> larry tweeted, i love this, clinton loved it so much, because obama needed it so much. which i thought was a very, very interesting comment to make. >> absolutely. the clinton/obama relationship is a lot better off than it was four years ago. i think this is part of it, i think they have bonded on their agenda. david makes a really powerful point. i can tell you, i've been talking to president clinton the last few weeks. putting paul ryan on the budget -- on the ticket, really did energize president clinton. he was going to do his best for president obama no matter what. david is right, president clinton balanced the last budget we had, he is appalled by the
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ryan budget, and that is -- i think he felt a little like a mosquito in a nudist colony, anywhere you land is an opportunity in fertile rich zone. >> what does this mean for the republicans going-forward, they had a little bit of a bounce after last week, you have to say, the double wham me of michelle obama and bill clinton giving two different powerful speeches and you still have the top dog to come, barack obama tomorrow night. if they haven't had the distractions of hurricanes and so on, it won't make much difference, it's going very, very well for the democrats. i heard some of our panel say earlier, this could be the game changing 24 hours, what do you think? >> this is going to be a very interesting test in the next 24 hours about what does tv do in the modern era. romney had very poor ratings for
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his speech and a small bounce. the question is, is that a romney story or tv story. are we so partisan and locked in that conventions don't bounce? small conventions in 2080 and 2004 for both the winner s and losers. >> you have to be jubilant tonight because bill clinton came along and said, it's the best bill clinton speech i've ever heard. he's made some amazing speeches. can barack obama live up to what we heard tonight. is it like following sinatra at the sands in vegas. >> maybe if you're elvis. president obama is one of the great orders of our time. he is blessed that his predecessor in his party is also one of the great orders of our time. i have every hope and
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i want to nominate a man who's cool on the outside, but who burns for america on the inside. >> welcome back to the cnn grill, we're joined by three new guests. lucille richards, sandra fluke and steve israel. big, big night, i love that line from bill clinton there, barack obama is cool on the outside but burning for america on the inside. >> there's only one bill clinton and boy did we hear from him tonight. >> is that the best speech you've heard him make? >> every speech i hear him make i think is the best. he topped that.
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bill clinton's economic priorities, the longest peace time expansion in history, 25 million jobs, new startups, innovation, entrepreneurship, the republican policies under george bush, debt, deficit, tax cuts for the rich and middle class imploded. that's what this election is all about. >> sandra, i watched your speech with great admiration, i tweeted to that effect. i wonder what rush limbaugh was thinking, spitting blood with indignation, i imagine. >> i could care less what rush limbaugh was thinking. >> i bet you couldn't. >> do you have a message for him ton? >> no. >> stoney silence? >> that's right. >> a lot of people were tweeting as you might expect, a lot of rather unpleasant abusive stuff on the right. how do you deal with that? i was appalled by what i was reading. >> if nobody's disagreeing with you and coming after you, you're not standing up for something. in my life, i intend to stand up for things, i don't worry about it. >> after all you've been through, stabbeding there
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tonight, the warmup for bill clinton, one of the great moments, how did you feel looking out at everyone? >> i felt a lot of gratitude. it was a passionate room and they were so supportive, i appreciated that, it was fabulous to see how fired up they are about the choice that we have this fall. because when i was talking about the policies that are on the table and what could be at risk for women in this country, the crowd really responded, because they know what kind of choice we have, between president obama and mr. romney's plans for the women of this country. >> when you realized the gop platform had absolutely no exceptions for abortion, not for rape, incest, the health of the mother, you must have felt -- how did you feel? >> like i'm not a priority to them. that's -- i think that's what it comes down to, that women aren't a priority.
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>> from your perspective, how important has sandra been as a kind of stand and bearer for what many would view as basic decency for women's rights. >> sandra was outstanding as she always is. i loved the fact that she talked about, it's not only an issue for young women, but for young men as well. i couldn't agree more that this whole night tonight and last night was about whether we want to move forward as a can't or go back to the 1950s, i think the crowd tonight, you heard it over and over, folks want to move forward, not back. >> i thought the powerful thingen to the in sandra's speech was where it suits mitt romney and paul ryan, where they think they have a straight fight that they may win, is america better or worse off? well, depending on what you believe and statistics you read, how you spin them, it could go
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either way. if the debate gets extended to women's rights, gay rights, all the social issues. the conservatives have gotten themselves into a mess, frankly. that's got to help barack obama, doesn't it? >> it helps barack obama and house democrats. there's a connection between these vitally important women's issues, women's rights and the economy. the republican majority and house of representatives has had two years to focus on opening up new businesses. instead, they chose to spend two years focused on closing down planned parenthood. how can an economy grow, a middle class grow, how can small businesses be created when you spend every day of every week of every month thinking about shutting down planned parenthood. that is not an economic strat y strategy. that's why i think we're going to win back the house. people have had it with those extreme priorities, they want us focused on jobs, small businesses and entrepreneurships. >> you got an ovation from the convention, where do you go now?
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you have such a high profile? people will be looking at you and thinking, you should come into politics full time? >> we'll find a district for you. >> thank you. maybe some day, but that's not what i'm focused on right now. i'm just focused on getting us to november, making sure that we re-elect the president who has stood with women over the last four years. we've done got a lot more to do for women. we have to get funding protected for planned parenthood. we need him for another four years. >> anderson, back to you. >> piers, thanks very much. stand by for a fact check of the numbers president clinton threw out.
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well, wait a minute. senator i hate to break it to you, but we're going to keep president obama on the job. >> that's senator mitch mcconnell the republican leader in the senate. mincing no words at all. let's go to brianna keeler, she has a celebrity on the convention floor. this one with a special connection to president obama. >> that's right. i'm here with kal penn, he's a former member of the obama administration, you were written off of the hit tv show "house" so you could go work in the office of public engagement, to be a liaison for young americans. that's what you're doing for the campaign. how does the president reignite
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the enthusiasm with young voters? >> he's had offices in different places, a lot of organizers have been working on stuff. i think now what we've seen, in our youth events, you have a lot of young folks that made a lot of promises to their friends, why should you register to vote? they're seeing the fruits of that, friends are home from iraq, the pell grants are more affordable. the president wants a second term. >> a little bit of pressure on you, you're in charge of the live stream that goes out from the campaign, and this is key, because this is where a lot of those people, the 56,000 people that don't get to see the president now, since he's not speaking at b of a stadium, they're going to be watching you. are you feeling the pressure? >> i'm feeling the fun pressure. i think a lot of the folks that can't make it into the stadium, they're setting up house parties in addition. we have a fun program planned for them, a lot of special
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guests, a special hour from 8:00 to 9:00 before the speeches, and then a wrap-up afterwards. it's the first live stream ever from a convention. >> you're back into acting, you're out of the administration about, what about going back into the administration, would you do that? >> i'm shooting a pilot right now for cbs, i'm having a great time with my first love. i would be honored if there was a chance to serve in president obama's administration again. i'm not going to rule it out, i feel blessed that i can do two things that i love. i feel like only in america can you do something like that. >> kal penn, thank you so much. there you have it, anderson, maybe we'll see kal penn serving in a second obama term if there is one. >> thanks very much. i want to check in with erin burnett and tom foreman for a cnn fact check based on some of the things president clinton said during his speech. >> there were lots of numbers in here, some of them accurate, some of them not. but obviously, bill clinton's administration, you know, it's
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amazing. it's not just democrats that look back at him with great fondness, it's republicans, it's republicans. they say, this guy was great, he's amazing in his ability to reinvent. a lot of people big fans of his. it touched democrats because of his economic record. they look at the job growth, good times, internet boom. the challenge tonight is for democrats to encourage voters to see similarities with president obama. to say, look -- >> well, steering them away from the problems, obviously. >> you're like clinton. >> yeah, exactly, but not too much. and that's what they tried to do tonight. listen to some of what the president had to say. >> president obama started with a much weaker economy than i did. listen to me now. no president -- no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage
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that he found in just four year s. >> see, that was a key, key line in terms of context. vote for president obama because he'll be like me, but let me explain why he didn't succeed the way i did. look at the comparison here, i think this is important. no matter how you look at this. like president obama, president clinton came into office with soaring joblessness. within a few points of what mr. obama faced. under president clinton, the rate steadily dropped down to the 5% range at the end of his first term. deep down into the 4% range by the time he left office, pretty much full employment at that point, not the case for mr. obama. in the clinton years, average wages rose about 30%, nothing like that really happened during the obama years. wages did not rise anything like that, clinton inherited a $290 billion deficit. changed it, to a $236 billion
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surplus by the time the clinton years were done. mr. obama has inherited a $459 billion deficit. yeah, that's worse, but it's even worse now. 1.3 trillion. and homeownership rose to a record high during the clinton years. it's declined under president obama, and the mortgage crisis, although we have to be fair about that, it's still high in the mid-60% range. it's really clear when you look at those numbers, very different economic performance from these two administrations, and they're in pains now to try to explain that to make them work for them not against them. >> the other interesting thing i noticed, president clinton bringing up, president obama has an approach proposed by the bipartisan simpson-bowles commission. we talked about this so much. >> endlessly. >> they keep stumbling into this. it's a commission that came up with a plan to fix the debt of
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the country. the president did not endorse the simpson-bowles commission. everyone may notice this last week, paul ryan brought it up, and he also was on that commission. and didn't vote for simpson-bowles, both he and president obama failed at that, now they're bringing it up as if they were on board. it's another inconsistency. >> a completely fair point to say the times are different than they were under president clinton. but if they're so different, why are we talking about the similarities? it's kind of like, hard to have it both ways. >> there's some other factors in here, but we'll save this for another time. we'll send it back to you, anderson. >> thank you very much. we continue to watch this roll call vote, which is playing out. let's talk to our panelists. what are you -- we didn't get your take on what you heard from president clinton tonight. did anything surprise you? >> wil with, you heard michelle obama give such a powerful testimony to his heart, you saw bill clinton give a powerful
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testimony to his head. going through, making the arguments, why he did a good job, and giving people real contact. i think for democrats, also for good americans, it was like going to school. i mean, it was like -- it was -- he was a professor in chief, helping people understand, it was a talk, it wasn't a speech. i think people were thrilled with it, my friends were just -- totally thrilled to hear also just a full throated defense of the president. no holds barred, this man did a good job. i could not have done a better job. >> what do you think president obama has to do tomorrow? >> i think he now needs to make the case for the future. i think his heart has been defended, his head has been defended. his judgment has been defended. what are you going to do going-forward. if he pulls that off tomorrow night, you have almost a perfect performance, at least on the main stage. the platform committee does something else. on the main stage, a perfect performance, a trifecta. >> who is he trying to reach out to tomorrow night? is it the base?
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is it everybody? is it the small group of people that are undecided? >> i think he'll be reaching out to the people who have heard a lot -- look at their pocketbooks, look at the kitchen table, who feel bad about themselves and the country. who have heard bad things about them, i think he's going to be reaching out to them and saying, i understand your pain, here's where i'm going to take you. >> he wants the 2008 coalition to come home. the young people, the women, people who have been disappointed. bill clinton and michelle obama have given them fresh reasons, fresh hope, fresh conviction. if they can -- it's hard to make a souffle rise twice, but it's possible in this case that they can do it. >> i think there's one thing that's changed from 2008 that's really important. we heard wonderful speeches tonight and last night. what's different is, in the last four years, people have figured out that delivering a good speech is not the same as delivering solid results.
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there is a level of cynicism, skepticism about beautiful words, that i think didn't exist four years ago. while they were great speeches and i'm quite sure obama will give a great speech, the bar is much higher now, because people are looking at all these fancy words. through the lens of what is going on in my life, and what's going on in a lot of people's lives is not very good. >> there are also those who would say that four years ago, candidate obama was relatively unknown, it was a rorschach test, people could project whatever they wanted on to him. they know him now. >> the republicans see he did inherit a ditch, life and politics are often not fair, he's been the president for three years. the question for me is, do people give him the second chance? the american people are pretty forgiving, this was an inspirational candidate four years ago, who made a lot of promises. you can go through a list, some he has cast, others he has not. the big one of making washington
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different and better, making people's lives better, that's a giant question mark. is he a credible messenger tomorrow when he says trust me and believe me again? that's the question. >> we see the king of second chances, you look at bill clinton, talk about comeback and second chances. this is a man who was impeached by republicans in the house of representatives. he was tarnished by a sex scandal. this is a man who has come back and he tonight was such a triumph. >> he delivered results. >> right, but whate delivered tonight was not fancy words, though, carly, it was a substantive drilling down of the last four years. >> a lot more for us to talk about. we're going to take a quick break, more on what president obama nes to do tomorrow, what he's likely to do tomorrow. all energy development comes with some risk,
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we decide to champion the cause for which our founders pledged their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor. the cause of forming a more perfect union. my fellow americans, if that is what you want, if that is what you believe, you must vote, and you must re-elect president barack obama. god bless you, and god bless america. >> a rousing speech from the former president of the united states, urging everyone to re-elect the president. we got a statement from his
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wife, the secretary of state, she was in china. secretary of state do not attend political conventions, they did issue a statement, this is the first convention i have missed in many, many years. on a personal level, let me also say my husband read parts of his speech to me over the last few days. i received the as prepared version. it's air great honor for him to be nominating the president. you spent some time with hillary clinton leading up to this speech. i'm sure she would have liked to have been here, but i'm sure she feels as secretary of state, she needs to stay away. >> her husband did go off script a bit, especially when he made those comments about the fact that secretary clinton and president obama have been so close, it shows to the rest of the world, that democracy is not
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a blood sport. >> he had a little reference to the secretary of state, saying that barack obama, he even gave her a chance. >> yes, absolutely. and all's fair in love and war and politics. in the end it's like the bushes and the reagans, and now there's the clintons and the obamas, we knew this is how it was going to end even when it was bitter during the primary season four years ago. listen, they have, over the course of the last two days, teed up president obama beautifully. and he can come in, and he can give an eloquent speech about the future, we've all heard him give eloquent speeches about the future. the business has been done by those kind of beforehand. and i think he has to be a little specific and say, how is the next three years different than this four years? but having said that, i think a lot has been said that he no
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longer has to say -- >> candy, one thing is very important, these conventions are important, but those three presidential debates you'll be moderating. one of those debates, those will be critically important as well especially for those remaining undecided or switchable voters. >> sure. and i get a lot of people saying, are there actually going to be undecided voters on october 16th? which is when the second debate is, which is the one i'm doing. and yes there are. there really are, and you want to know who these people are, folks that go into that voting booth that sometimes aren't really sure what they're going to do. and i think what we're talking about now, that very small group are gut voters. i mean, those people that just go, okay, i'm going to go with him. >> and that's the one other point i would make about the president. we all know he has to make the economic case tomorrow, he has to be specific on policy. the other point is, in 2008 he ran as this candidate of hope and change, he lost that
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emotional connection in office. he never explained his policies effectively. he seemed so cold. he does have a challenge to reconnect emotionally with the public. >> thanks so much. good work, excellent work,e'll be looking forward to seeing the presentation of your documentary, candy. thanks very much to you. all of our analysts, all of our reporters, anderson cooper, thanks to you as well. i'm wolf blitzer here on the floor of the democratic convention. our coverage of the democratic national convention continues right after this. more on president clinton's big speech and other highlights. i know the name of eight princesses. i'm an expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for because i'm raising two rls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders
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