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that's why politicians need to stop dragging their feet when it comes to the national 9/11 the museum. that museum and memorial will be what keeps it alive for this country in a way that is very important. thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. erin, thank you very much. good evening. we begin with breaking news on the on versery of the 9/11 attacks, americans in two arab countries are under aack by islamist forces and a consulate is dead. the state department says it doesn't have independent confirmation of that fact. an eyewitness says it began with a radical group showing up to protest a web video they call anti-muslim. it started out peacefully but escalated and one official working at the embassy or consulate is reported dead. the group is still on consulate grounds. in cairo, the american embassy was under attack all day with
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protesters camped out just outside the walls, outraged by that mysterious video. they replaced the american flag with a black flag with an islamic inscription on it. there's a marine contingent on the ground and egyptian security forces nearby. we have correspondents on the grou ground. also on the phone is fran townsend, cnn national security contribute for. last week, fran visited libya. ian, you saw hundreds storming the u.s. embassy there in cairo. who are these protesters exactly? how widespread is this ageer? and what is the situation with the americans in that embassy
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right now since the ambassador live there is and a group of marines are there? >> reporter: the marines who are there are part of the diplomatic mission and it's one of the large els contingents of marines protecting a u.s. embassy in the world. but these protesters, they were predominantly islamists, people angry about a film that came out which they say depicts muhammad in a bad light, which they say insults the prophet. they say it calls him a womanizer, a homosexual, someone who molests children, things that muslims find offensive. so there was roughly a thousand people out there, we saw a handful of people storm the embassy perimeter. they tore down the american flag. security forces were off on the side. they did show up to separate the protesters in the embassy.
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but it was a bit later after the protesters were able to get in there. that's a question a lot of people are asking is why the security forces didn't come soon enough and egyptian officials are also right now trying to figure out why they didn't have the response that they said they would have. >> i want to go to benghazi in libya. you're in tripoli. you've been talking to a source in benghazi where this person working at the consulate was just killed. what's the latest on the situation there? >> reporter: according to an eye witness, he described the situation there as the front line. libyan security forces were engaged in heavy clashes with members of an armed group that is based in eastern libya. he also reported rocket-propelled grenades hitting the consulate building. libyan army troops were
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deployed. roads to the consulate were blocked off by military vehicles. there are conflicting reports on what the situation is there right now. liblian government officials are telling us that the building has been secured by the libyan military, but according to this eyewitness, members of the group had stormed the consulate building and taken over the building and were celebrating and looting the consulate. there have been condemnations issued, but at the same time, anderson, there are calls on social media sites for more protests in benghazi and here in tripoli. >> fran, you were in libya last week and concerned about the deteriorating security situation. add this to the back grop of what's going on in egypt, how big a deal is this kind of a situation? >> reporter: anderson, we should be very clear. one such breach of an embassy or consulate's walls or security on any given day would be tremendous news. it's very rare. americans remember the takeover
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of the consulate in tehran in 1979. this is a huge event, if one of these happened. the fact that two of them happened on the same day, that is the 9/11 anniversary where americans are remembering those that we lost, you have to ask yourself what are american officials trying to understand about this and whether or not these are related. this notion that it's about a movie, anderson, there have been calls for the protests in cairo, this has been -- the egyptian officials understood there was a protest planned. how did this day get picked and how did it wind up in two places? and to have lost an american, i think we shouldn't underestimate the significance of this. >> and fran, you're basically saying that you believe these were coordinated attacks in some way. what's so interesting is this video is not new to youtube. it was posted back in july.
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so you see some sort of hand in organization here? >> reporter: well, i do think -- this is an extremist group in libya. there have been al qaeda in eastern libya, to the east of benghazi. and i think, look, the american officials will be looking to see -- we've not heard any confirmation that these are in any way related. it's just that two very significant events in the same day. it would be natural that you would be looking now, american officials have to be looking to see whether or not they can find a connection between these two events. >> fran, you pointed out that an american was killed. we haven't confirmed that, that it was just somebody at the consulate. we're trying to find out more on the identity of the person. ian, you watched the video that they're protesting.
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do we know who posted it, who made it, where it comes from? >> reporter: what we're hearing, anderson, is that there were a couple coptic christians that come from here in egypt and they were involved in the making of it. that's why there is rage against the u.s., because protesters are blaming the u.s. for allowing this to come out, saying the u.s. is responsible for allowing a video like this to be spread out there. so that's why these protesters are definitely angry and directing their anger toward the united states. >> mona, being in cairo, why do you think this is happening? who benefits? >> reporter: that's a great question, because we're in a stage right now in egypt where
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the resolution that began last year is still very much not completed. a big concern for many people in egypt today is that these terrible events will be used by the government to justify a return to emergency law, we still don't have a constitution in egypt, we don't have a pa parliament in egypt. our president and prime minister have been missing in action all day. so you have a fringe element that claims to represent us, and it doesn't. on a day and a time when egyptians are still very much trying to decide which way our revolution is going. freedom of expression must be a right, as is freedom to pro-test. but the question here is, why was today chosen andñi why was e protest taking place at the u.s. embassy and who called for this protest? as you mentioned or we heard earlier, this has been on youtube for several weeks now. so we have to think back to the
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time of the danish cartoons, which were published in october of 2005. but the protest against them didn't start until january of 2006. much of those -- many of those protests were what ialled manufactured outrage used for political gain by both regimes and islamist groups. what we don't want to happen in egypt now is for us to be stuck by an extreme right wing element and a president and his government, which i consider right wing, composed of -- the president is from the muslim brotherhood movement and we don't want to be stuck between these two. our revolution was for social justice and liberty, not go up to the american embassy sand bring down the flag. >> fran, had military forces wanted to stop protesters from scaling over the walls, they could have done that just as they could have stopped people from attacking each other in
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tahrir square. >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. the protest today was not a surprise. we've heard from sources that there were warnings about this days ago. and so if this -- if egyptian officials and the military, security officials were on notice about this, we've got to ask ourselves, why weren't they before the protest began? you know, prepositioned to assure they could keep protesters a safe distance from the embassy and protect the embassy. but this is not the first time they failed to do that. it wasn't long ago when the wall of the israeli embassy in cairo was also breached. there are real questions about egyptian official's commitment to protecting diplomatic establishments in cairo. >> we'll continue to follow details. thank you very much. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter.
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up next, a reporter who says he's seen evidence that warnings of the 9/11 attack were down played because the bush administration believed al qaeda was bluffing. that argument is causing an uproar. the author who made that argument joins us and so does ari fleischer. we'll be right back. companies have to invest in making things. infrastructure, construction, production. we need it now more than ever. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm p. making real things... for real. ...that make a real difference. ♪ after you jumpedr real. ..buship in bangkok,n. a real difference. i thought i'd lost you. surfing is my life now.
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welcome back. tonight, 11 years after the attacks of 9/11 with steel and glass rising, there are still two beams of light to remind people of what fell. there are two memorial fountains cut into the ground to remind people of what once stood where
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nearly 2800 people died. these 16 acres are being rebuilt as office space, museum and memorial. whatever is built, though, no one will ever forget. not here in lower manhattan or shanksville, pennsylvania or the pentagon. the legacy of 9/11 is still being felt not as memory or history but as current event. the war that was launched to avenge the attacks is still being fought, lives still being lost. so when a story comes out that delves into whether these entire 11 years of anguish might have been avoided, it touches a nerve. the fact that the story came out today on the 9/11 anniversary in the heat of an election campaign has led some to call it a political hatchet job, an attack. the story, in a nutshell, centers on what president bush
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and other top officials knew before this unforgettable moment when the president was informed of the attacks. it's laid out in a "new york times" op-ed. it was published today. this is the only such document ever to be declassified and the bush administration maintained that title notwithstanding, there was not a clear cut warning of a strike in the united states about to happen. >> well, august 6 is most certainly an historical document that says here's how you might think about al qaeda. a warning is when you have something that suggests that an attack is impending. and we did not have, on the united states, threat information that was in any way specific enough to suggest that something was coming in the united states.
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>> former secretary of state and national security adviser condoleezza rice there. kirk eikenwald concedes her argument is plausible, but says he's seen portions of many security briefs and come to an inescapable conclusion that administration's reaction that mr. bush was told -- those were his words. we have not seen what he says he's seen. he joins us shortly to talk about it. we do know from the report of the 9/11 commission that there were 40 other mentions of osama bin laden and al qaeda in presidential daily briefs prior to 9/11. but he goes further than that and reports direct warnings about the al qaeda attacking the u.s. began in the spring of twun. the cia told the white house that a group in the united states was planning a terrorist operation. he says the june 22 daily brief reported that al qaeda strikes could be imminent. this tracks with the
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recollection of richard clarke, who served in the clinton and bush administrations and has written a sharply critical book about his experiences. he told nbc news about a june ñ1 meeting he sat in on with condoleezza rice and the cia director. he said, quote -- >> as he later told "60 minutes," he says the warnings were ignored by then president bush. >> he ignored it. he ignored terrorism for months when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. maybe. we'll never know. >> again, that is sharply disputed by members of the bush administration, butit does track with what mr. eikenwald is saying today. he joins us now.
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also with us is ari fleischer. so you acknowledge at the end of your op-ed there's no way to be sure that the bush administration could have prevented the attacks but you use the word "negligence" to describe their actions. how do you reconcile the daylight in those statements? there were a number of warnings and advisories that went out, a lot of them for overseas postings, for u.s. military, for ambassadors. but also some in the united states, as well. >> well, there's a huge difference between putting the government on high alert and saying we're going to put out some warnings. the last time prior to the summer of 2001, the last time there had been anything on the scale of what they were seeing at that period was in december of 1999. and at that point, the entire government went on high alert. you had -- in fact, the counterterrorist center at the cia was told, blow through your budget and they spent everything they had from january through
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september in about 15 days. and multiple terrorist attacks were stopped, including one in the united states. we don't remember much about this, because everything was stopped. now, was the bush administrat n administration -- did they have enough information to take the same kind of action? all of the people who were involved in the 1999 intelligence gathering and in the gathering in the summer of 2001 tell me they were virtually identical. it was the same level of severity. >> ari fleischer, i want to bring you in here. you have two problems with this. a, just on a factual basis with the allegations being made and the details of it. and also the publishing of this on this day. >> yeah, anderson, that's exactly right. one, september 11 is the day we should remember the victims. you know, i do not think it's appropriate on a day like this for somebody to leave out so many facts, attack one person,
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especially when the attack is so over the top partisan and we all know his politics are very rapidly anti-republican. i'm surprised "the new york times" would have printed such a piece on a day like today. it's just wrong to do it today. but two, on the facts of it. if what he was saying was accurate, the 9/11 commission would have picked up on it. they had access to every presidential daily brief and reach nod such conclusion. in the summer of 2001 when the head of the cia said the system was blinking red, it was all about europe or asia. >> that's simply untrue, ari. >> let him finish. >> this is the 9/11 commission report. this is what they said about the warnings in the summer of 2001. we cannot say for certain whether those reports, as dramatic as they were, related to the 9/11 attacks. the focus was abroad, and that's where action was taken because
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there's where the intelligence led. >> but ari, there were reports about actors in the united states, about people within the -- already present in the united states. >> and those reports had been prevalent since the late 1990s. i suspect today there are reports about people active in the united states. the issue is, was there actionable intelligence. this is what is so frustrating about intelligence. it was true then and will always be true. intelligence is always inprecise. nobody ever said that we have information that there's going to be a hijackings of airplanes used to fly into buildings in september of 2011 or any other time frame. none of that was the case. we have vague, generalized reporting, just as president clinton had the same. he only faults george bush on the 9/11 commission, actually faulted george bush, president
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clinton, the cia, the fbi, the department of justice. it was a much more context report. if anything, he's said in his reporting, and they never had the heart of what he says, which is other pdbs gave credence to the fact that this was an attack that could have been stopped. >> in my reading 06 the 9/11 report, it says numerous actions were taken overseas and domestic agencies didn't know what to do. >> that's true, because there wasn't the same kind -- i want to address a number of things that ari just said. i mean, number one, i want to point out his first approach was attack the messenger. number two, i am quoting from presidential daily briefs. ari is not coming in here and saying oh, i have other information. i don't know what he's saying. is he saying i'm just lying and making them up? ari, this is what it says. >> i'm reading from the 9/11
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commission. >> i allowed you to speak, would you give me the same benefit? i'm angry at ari today, because the first thing he did was send out a tweet, calling me a 9/11 truther. meaning one of those people who says that george bush orchestrated 9/11. and that's the kind of garbage, the kind of empty headed garbage that has prevented history from taking place. i quoted from documents that are historical documents. the 9/11 commission did not quote from those. in fact, the 9/11 commission fought to have the very pdbs that ari says they had declassified and the bush white house would not do it. that's fine, i'm not saying they should have. but for him to pretend they had this information and it was disclosed in the 9/11 report is simply false. >> kirk, one of the things you're saying in your article, which is not in the 9/11
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commission report is that you're saying based on -- you say people you talked to is that neoconservatives in the administration, within the pentagon basically poo-pooed the threats, particularly domestically, saying basically it was disinformation put out to distract from the real threat, which was saddam hussein. >> well, it's not just me quoting people anonymously. there's a june 27 daily brief that i refer to, which is the cia's response saying we are not being fooled -- i don't know the exact quote, but we are not being fooled by bin laden. there is a real threat, it is actual and they start laying out all the reasons why. so you're taking about a circumstance in late june where there's an argument going on as to whether it's real or not. >> ari, what about that? i'm just being reminded in the 9/11 commission report, there is something about paul wolfowitz
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saying that. >> that's correct, that was in the 9/11 commission report and that was accurately cited. it was one person at the department of defense that said that, the cia rejected it and nobody at the white house acceptedit. but let me go back to the charges against me. this is a cleaned up version of trutherism. because the heart of his charge is george bush knew 9/11 was coming and he neglected his dputys and allowed it to happen. that's just a cleaned up version. two, when he writes a piece that doesn't go into what the 9/11 commission reported, that leaves out the other fair criticisms that improved the system about other presidents and other branches of government. what you need to know is he wrote that the republican party must be defeated in a crippling way. the republicans are liars, they threaten democracy and threaten america. so you really do have a rabid partisan who was able to use the pages of the new york times to further his anti-bush,
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anti-republican -- >> ari, tell me one thing -- >> let him finish. >> that's why he's come to a conclusion that nobody at the 9/11 commission came to. they had those pdbs. they had access to all the information. so maybe he's smarter and sharper than everybody, democrat and republican that served on that 9/11. i don't think so. >> kirk, is this politics? >> absolutely not. ari, the 9/11 commission did not get the pdbs authorized for release, which means they could not refer to them. now, there were also many people on the 9/11 commission who did not have the classification authority to look at the pdbs. number two, you want to make this all about politics. you want to attack the messenger. give me one fact, one brief i'm citing. i'm working at the disadvantage of actually having read them, which you haven't.
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>> it's your omissions, that's the problem. >> because i don't go into a lengthy description of what clinton did and -- it wasn't a partisan attack. >> right, you only go into george bush. >> because it was about what did the documents -- >> because you're a partisan. >> sorry, ari, if i -- >> it's because you neglected all the information in the 9/11 commission report that improved our system by citing what was missing when president clinton was in office and -- >> ari, that is why -- >> kirk, you're saying you were focusing basically on the summer before 9/11 to show the sort of the drumbeat that was occurring in those immediate months, is that right? >> i was not playing a game of -- it's like a child. it's like saying, well, billy did this, but bobby did that. it's not about that. it is about what did the documents i obtained and saw show? i'm not going to run around and say gee, i have a news story.
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but ari fleischer might be afraid or upset that i'm not spinning it enough to bring in clinton. >> kirk, to the argument that you shouldn't have published on this day, what do you say? >> i say that i have spoken to far more family members and far more victims of the 9/11 attacks than ari has and dshl >> you don't know that. >> i've heard from four families today thanking me. the last thing i ever heard from them is gee, we don't want to know what happened. >> you didn't tell them what happened. you distorted what happened. >> give me one fact that isn't right? you're not answering the question. >> exactly what i discussed before. in the summer of 2001. the reporting that we had, that the 9/11 commission cited was about attacks abroad. >> this is untrue. >> that's exactly what the 9/11
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report said. the reporting was focused abroad. >> ari, ari, ari, you keep talking over me but it's a lie. >> there were reports about actions within the united states and my reading, and i just read a couple chapters today before the interview, there's no doubt the 9/11 says there are few specifics regarding time, place, method, and you don't dispute that? >> this is, again, one of the things i want to point out here, one of the most despicable things that was done in this is the cia produced tons of information. tons of information. typical intelligence. it didn't say, at 8:00 in the morning on 9/11, at the world trade center, this is going to happen. intelligence isn't like that. and anybody who thinks it is doesn't read intelligence.
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what you do have is enough information to act on, to go on alert, to do the kinds of things that were done in 1999. >> kirk, you're saying there should have been a higher level of alert given out domestically based on the information that was given -- that was there and even -- and that would have allowed lower level people at agencies to connect dots more, based on local intelligence they had. >> let me throw in two stories here. one thing that's referenced in the article and in the book, "500 days." on july 9, members of the counterterrorist center met in the basement of the cia to discuss whether or not they should put in for a transfer. the reason they did that is not because they felt like it or because they were bored, but because they kept coming forward with this information and no action was being taken. and the suggestion went out by the lead person in the room said we can't get enough people in here. there aren't people qualified to
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do this. we're the only ones qualified to ride this down. >> anderson, this is my beef here. this is the biased tone of the story. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry if you don't like what the intelligence says. >> don't interrupt. remember that. >> okay. >> in the late 1990s, people said they should quit their jobs in intelligence and defense because we didn't take a shot at osama bin laden when we had a chance. this is common second guessing that does take place. but in the instance you cite it, this came from the department of defense where they said, one person said don't pay attention to it. that was rejected. so you hear this kind of thing all the time in federal agencies. it's been the case forever and will always be the case. >> i've got to jump in. >> ari is willing to throw out information he has no idea what he's talking out or willing to
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lie. he wants to say one person said this thing about iraq and nobody cared. well, then why did read a presidential daily brief that had to deal with all of this? why did i speak to intelligence officials who said, this was an enormous problem they have to overcome. every single time ari hears a fact he doesn't like, it's partisan. you want to say clinton messed up? clinton messed up, you got it. clinton messed up in ways you haven't brought up or aren't public yet. read my book. but the reality is, i am writing about the documents i obtained. ari wants me to say i have to talk about democrats too, because my article, just because it's based on documents i obtained, can't be about what happened. i am not a spinmeister. he is. >> and i'm somebody who read the
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entire 9/11 report -- >> so am i. >> and i see how it's disported that bush knew and didn't stop it. that's the fundamental argument he's making. it's a flawed reading of the 9/11 commission report. and no one else has done it except the truthers. if there was evidence, we would have read about it in the 9/11 commission report. >> you want to say you're not a truther? >> beyond that. i never said george bush orchestratedthis. and we are here -- >> but you said he allowed it to happen. >> i've got to go. we're way over time. but i appreciate both your perspectives. thank you very much. we'll be right back. ♪
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welcome back. no school again today for public school students in chicago. this is the city striking teachers, demonstrated for a second day. a spokeswoman for the teachers union says there's a long way to go, that the 49 points in the contract offered, the union agreed to six of them. for now, the strike has left obviously a lot of parents scrambling to find child care, churches, other organizations trying to step in. where do negotiations stand right now, ted?
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>> reporter: they are still negotiating, anderson. but according to someone familiar with the negotiation process, there will not be an agreement tonight. so those thousands of families that have been scrambling are going to have to figure out what to do with their kids tomorrow, because they won't be in school. >> and mitt romney has come out and criticized the union for going on strike. the white house has avoided weighing in. the teachers wanted the president to come out and support them. >> reporter: yeah, a lot of signs today at the rally in downtown chicago here were directed at president obama, asking for his support for the teachers union. that puts him in an awkward position. if we were to come out in favor of the union or even say that he sides with them, he's going against his former chief of staff, rahm emanuel, the mayor of chicago. i asked rahm emanuel today did he think his former boss should weigh in on this. take a listen. >> every issue we're talking about, about accountability of
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our schools, quality in our schools so the education is the core thrust of everything. >> reporter: bottom line, he has. weighed in on this and lit be interesting to see if he does if this strike continues to prolong over the next few days. >> there's federal guidelines that rahm emanuel is referencing. appreciate the coverage. the election just 56 days away and all this week we're focusing on the economy and we've been asking voters what their top concerns are, what keeps you up at night? tonight, you'll hear from a small business owner. we'll compare what is proposed to do about that, next. to stay. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief
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with just 56 days until the election, voters say economic conditions are poor but how does that break down? we wanted to know how do the candidates propose to fix snit we're showcasing the top five economic concerns that keep everyone up at night. tonight, we're going to look at taxes. like many americans who own small businesses, ed spends a lot of time worrying about his tax bills. he owns a restaurant in janesville, wisconsin, where paul ryan grew up. here's what he told us. >> what keeps me up at night as a small businessman is over 50% of the population isn't paying their fair share of taxes. and big corporate america are finding loopholes created by lobbyists. we, the small business people, the middle class, are taking the
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brunt of this expense to maintain our country. when i first hear that small businesses is the backbone of america, i always chuckle and i say to myself, if you only knew the hardship that small businesses endure. so are we the backbone of this nation? maybe in theory we are. but we pay so much in taxes. every month, we just have these bills that we have to pay. we can't tell the state or federal government or the city that we're not going to pay for our permits. my journey to the united states is a journey that many people aspire for. it's the country of milk and honey. i came from west africa, liberia. so i came to this country, worked for four years in restaurants, paying my way through college. if i knew then what i know how,
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i would probably not go down that path and just stay in a comfort zone of earning a pay check week to week. >> did you like it, young man? >> yeah. >> we have a failed system. we the small business people, we are tired of watching legislators argue and take naps and that political gridlock that we have going on within our government is stifling the economy in america. the reason i'm successful in this business is because i put in seven days a week, 16-hour days. so do the math. that's over 110 hours a week that i put in. i don't want my kids to grow up like that. >> john king joins me now. dan lothian and jim acosta with the romney campaign. the latest polling, we asked likely voters which candidate would better handle taxes, what
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did they say? >> president obama, anderson. republicans normally have the edge, but at this moment, the president does. 51% to 46%. close but advantage to the president. here's why. when you ask voters, those who attended college, you see the president, 52% support on the tax issue among those who attended college. now we're going to match that up with those who describe themselves as moderates. 58% of moderates support the president. moderates, college educated people tend to live in the suburbs. it's not all bad news for governor romney. in florida, if you look at older voters, they tend to be more reliable. these are voters 50 and older. 54% support governor romney on taxes and 42% for president obama.
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so jobs is a number one, but taxes a subset, at the moment, advantage to the president. >> governor romney has been criticized for not laying out enough specifics in the tax plan, particularly what loopholes he would close to cut taxes for the wealthy by 20%. how has the campaign been responding to that? >> mitt romney has suggested on a number of occasions that he would limit some of the mortgage deductions nor high end earners and close some loopholes, but he's not specified as to how he would exactly do all of that. so you're right, he has said these things and his campaign has not filled in the blanks. over the weekend, paul ryan said something interesting. he gave unexplanation, that is they want to do to the congress in a romney administration and present a frame work for lawmakers to come up with a plan to adhere to the principles they lay out. another reason mitt romney talked about himself in publi
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published interviews. he feels like he's going to set up a cottage industry of attacks coming at him from all these special groups. when places like the national tax policy say wait a minute, if you don't come out with more specifics, all we can assume is you're going to blow a hole in the deficit or raising taxes on middle income americans. the romney campaign says they don't believe what they group is saying about their tax plan. >> we know that president obama wants to raise taxes on incomes over $250,000 by allowing the bush tax cuts to expire for that group. that's the most publicized aspect of the tax plan. is that necessarily the main tenant of his tax plan? >> reporter: it is, anderson. it is the main component of the president's plan. that's why the president talks so much about it, saying it's good for middle class americans, they'll be able to purchase things with the savings and he also emphasizes that wealthy
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americans, this is a time for them to pay their fair share. in addition to that, the president wants to raise capital gains rate to 20%. most americans pay about 15%. the president also wants to cut the corporate tax rate, it's at 35%. he wants to lower it to 28%. on this the president and mitt romney do agree on. but mitt romney wants to lower it a little more. >> one aspect is what effect does the plan have on small business owners? how is the obama administration trying to target small business owners? >> that's a good question. when you hear the president say that 97% of small businesses out there would fall under that $250,000 a year threshold, so they would not see their taxes go up.
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in other words, only 3% of small businesses out there would see their taxes go up. the president has been emphasizes that the small businesses are the engine of the economic recovery. so he says that he wants to do as much as possible to help them get their businesses going, because if that happens, the entire economy will turn around. >> john, jim, dan, thanks. coming up, remembering the victims of 9/11. a look at today's memorials when we come back.
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this is never an easy day, but it is especially difficult for all of you. the families of nearly 3,000 innocents who lost their lives. >> and my grand pa, raymond downey, you died doing what you love doing, saving people's lives. i love you so much. >> no matter how many years pass, no matter how many times weome together on this hallowed ground, know this, you'll never be alone. your loved ones will never be forgotten. >> and my big brother, we miss you and love you. >> they will endure in the hearts of our nation. because through their sacrifice, they helped us make the america we are today. ♪ for the land of the free ♪ and the home of the brave
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>> we can visit the field of honor in pennsylvania and remember the heroes who made the sacrifice. >> here together is one family. we pause to honor and to pray and to remember 184 lives lost at the pentagon. ♪ [ "taps" ] >> you can see water cascading into the foot prints of the twin towers and gaze up as a new tower rises above the new york skyline. >> and my sister, catherine fairfax. mom, dad and i will always honor you. >> all these people gathered here today have not forgotten the heroism of your husbands, wives, sons, daughters, mothers,
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