something that is worthy of public discussion, i hope it's a good thing. i don't see it happening in the next ten years. >> i can't wait to watch it, it's called "partners," and it's been a real pleasure. >> thank you. on cbs. it's been a real pleasure. >> thank you. the deadly attacks on americans in libya. could it have been prevent. the obama administration comes under question. and then -- >> jesus -- >> jesus. >> jesus. >> if jesus jokes are free game, then why, in a free country, is the prophet muhammad not? and another hands-off topic. the power of religion. the reality of why it often turns deadly. a christian, a muslim and jew walk into our studio for a conversation that is no joke.

and how booze helps shape the united states of america. >> look, this is the stuff your social studies teacher didn't tell you. >> all that plus no talking points and the judgment free zone. hello, everybody. i am don lemon. thank you for joining us. first your headlines. a leading figure from the sunni islam world has called for a calm in the wake of continuing violent protests. he spoke with cnn and called for muslim followers to act more as a prophet muhammad would. >> translator: i was one of the first to warn about the dangers of this film in a statement to the muslim world, i asked people to deal with the situation the way prophet muhammad dealt with issues through patience and wisdom. >> a tragedy unfolding right now on one of the highest mountain peaks in the world. an avalanche has killed at least

11 climbers, and at least a dozen are missing now. this morning, a wall of snow crashed through several of the camps. manaslu is considered one of the most dangerous mountains to navigate. turkey is the most recent victim of spillover fighting from syria. errant artillery rounds landed in a small turkish border town wounding a number of residents. for days now, syria's military and rebels have been fighting for control of the syrian town. the latest viral video, greenday front man having an on stage meltdown. he was not too happy that he got the cue he had one minute to wrap up his set. just after that tirade,

armstrong apologized and announced he is seeking treatment for substance abuse. immediately after the assault on the u.s. consulate in libya, one question was on everybody's mind -- how could this happen? how is it that the most powerful nation on earth can't protect its own envoys in foreign countries? how could this happen in bengahzi? we should know soon. a state department investigation will start later this week. and earlier i talked with wall street journal intelligence correspondent who has been covering the story, and i asked her if susan collins of maine was accurate when she called the security in bengahzi woefully inadequate. >> it was limited in terms of personnel. the standard security was four armed libyan guards, and four unarmed libyan guards. on the day of the attack there were five or so armed diplomatic

officers, presumably because the ambassador was thereas well. what was interesting was that as we looked into it, security had not really changed, even though the threats there were escalating from april on, and they also lacked some pretty basic precautions at the consulate including basic fire fighting equipment. >> and with so much controversy about whether the consulate attack was planned or spontaneous, i asked ms. gorman whether the administration is being totally truthful with the people. >> certainly the investigation is sti yunfolding. i looked into the question of al qaeda involvement. it's quite possible that the al qaeda involvement came day of if it did at all because they've -- they've -- they are right now analyzing conversations held between al qaeda and sharias, which was involved in the attack. both sides could be correct that it did happen spontaneously, but there was some sort of

same-day orchestration or consultation that did occur. and cnn's piers morgan sat down with mahmoud ahmadinejad and asked about the response to the film on youtube. >> what took place was ugly, offending the holy prophet is quite ugly. this has very little or nothing to do with freedom and freedom of speech. this is the weakness of -- and the abuse of freedom, and in many places it is a crime. >> there were protesters all over the middle east now threatening the staff of american embassies, threatening to kill them and behead them. do you think they should stop? >> translator: you see, i cannot determine what people or nations should do. but i do think that extremism gives birth to following and subsequent extremism.

perhaps if the politicians take a better position in the west vis a vis offensive thoughts or pictures or what we hold holy, the conditions could improve. >> you can see the rest of that interview monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. next, the prophet muhammad, a topic often feared by many in the western world. why are so many so afraid of the mention of muhammad. and then later, are muslims in america taking a "those people over there" attitude? that's in tonight's no-talking points.

tonight a discussion about the prophet muhammad. a discussion that would likely make many of you very uncomfortable, but why would it? i am here in the united states which prides itself on freedom, especially the freedom of expression, yet through the technology of television, a lot of people can see it including radical islamists who in the last few days attacked and murdered people in the name of the prophet muhammad. and to be clear, our motivation is to educate, not to incite or investigate. and the new iphone, can you take pictures and shoot videos and then when you are done, there are buttons that allow you to tweet it or facebook it or

send it right to youtube for the entire world to see. anywhere anywhere at any second is capable of broadcasting something insulting. so my point is you cannot stop the march over time. as i watched the protests overseas, i wondered in what century are the protesters living, and then i read an article, internet videos will insult your religion, ignore them and get over it. welcome william. thanks for joining us. it's not just democracy or the u.s. it's technology, and no matter your religious beliefs you cannot stop progress. >> no, and you just made the point is, you don't require a network anymore to broadcast hateful speech around the world. all you need is a video camera, an internet connection. literally two people were responsible for creating and disseminating this movie about the islam world. >> you said most have not seen

the video. they're being manipulated in more ways than once here. >> the manipulators are on both sides. we have our crazies that want to inflame passions in the muslim world, and then there are those in the muslim world happy to collaborate in this with each side hating each other and each side inciting populations against each other. >> next time it will be something else, another video. another cartoon, what have you. william, listen to this. >> since our founding, the united states has been a nation that respects all faiths. we reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. >> let me state very clearly, and i hope it is obvious that the united states government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. >> so that was part of the psa, the u.s. government spent $70,000 of ad time to run on tv in pakistan. not once did it mention free speech. so here is a question.

by being so sensitive and not telling some of these people, as you say, just to get over it, has the u.s. become enablers prolonging the inevitable that these handful of protesters are ultimately fighting a losing battle? >> i wouldn't be so hard on the administration. they may not have used the words free speech, but they are conveying something complicated. look, we are at the beginning of a big, long, international conversation with the muslim world. and what we're trying to convey is just because we allow something to be broadcast, to be put on the internet in this country does not mean the government or the american people support it. that's the idea we are trying to convey in countries where people do not have that kind of thinking allowed. >> the bloodshed will not stop until you stop taking the bait. mockery of your prophet on the

comput computer, so in america we take these words as tough love. do you worry that what you have written will incite radical islamists to be radical? >> no, we can't stop somebody with an iphone from making a video. we can't stop somebody with an internet connection from disseminating it. the place where we can stop it is the people who are the targets of this, and they are trying to offend with the anti-muslim stuff to ignore it, simply ignore it. nobody came to watch this movie when it was put in the theater in the united states. nobody. why can't the muslim world treat it the same way? >> we thank you very much, and we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. another hands-off topic -- the power of religion. not the peaceful notion of it, but the reality of why it so often turns deadly.

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we're having a conversation tonight about faith and technology and the violence that erupted overseas in response to the anti-islam video that was posted on youtube. more than 20 countries saw protests and the violence in libya even cost the u.s. ambassador his life. again, all of this because of a video depiction of the prophet muhammad. the mere mention of him can incite violence, destruction and death. but why? i asked why is muhammad offlimits? >> i don't think muhammad is off limits. i think the problem is we don't know much about who he is. i think the people who often speak about islam and on behalf of islam and people who push themselves as experts are not generally familiar with islam and are not able to communicate who muhammad is to muslims. i think the problem is we don't have a conversation about islam that we deserve and what happens is you get extremist voices from both sides

filling in the gaps, leaving the vast majority of muslims and americans in the dark. >> no matter how a civilized conversation we have here tonight or on television, it won't stop what happened. it's not stopped the protests. >> we have to be fair when we look at the protests and what is happening. the overwhelm iing number of muslims, from the grassroots to the leaders and religious leader and political leaders condemned the violence and protests. if you look at the people who are protesting and even a smaller percentage of them are protesting violently, and while there are definitely extremist opinions pushing the protests, i don't think the protests are really about the prophet muhammad. it has more to do with politics, foreign policy, and the feelings of hue mill ymiliatiohumiliatio not being treated with dignity and big politically able to

participa participate. this movie is an excuse for people to come on the streets and haven't feelings and these are pushed by leaders in order to push their own cause. >> i hear what you are saying, and as most of us around the world especially in the western culture we don't see many coming forward to denounce these sorts of activities. we see the people out on the streets we hear the words you're saying that it's a handful, but most people don't believe it because we don't see the other side, we don't see a counterweight that's as big or that can counter those protester protesters. >> i think the counterweight is there but we are not paying attention. that they feed into a narrative of what we expect the muslim word to be. pakistan is a country of

millions of people. 10,000 or 20,000 people on the street is not a huge number of people. and at the same time there are massive protests, 30,000, 40,000 people, which is a huge percentage of a tiny country like libya, and they are protesting against the murder of stevens, and against radalism, and across the board they condemned violent protest and condemned the calls for extreme action and radicalism. it's a question of what we're paying attention to. we tend to focus on the things that are produce the best images on tv. >> i want to read something from the "new york times." roger cohen writes this. he says the muslim world cannot have it both ways. it cannot place islam at the center of political life and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world that you can have it both ways, that the prophet muhammad cannot in any way be depicted at all? is it a sense that the muslim world wants it both ways?

>> i don't think roger cohen is being fair or accurate. the prophet muhammad is a deeply contested figure. most of the major divisions in islam between sunnis and shia shias have to do with the prophet muhammad's legacy. it's not about meaningful criticism and debate and it's about mockery and humiliation, and i have to underline a small percentage of muslims, that is not separatible from the kind of treatment their countries and societies have received. so for egyptians storming the u.s. embassy, is it about the prophet muhammad or what they perceive foreign policy to be? those are questions we have not separated out in our heads. i do agree there needs to be more of a conversation about religion and a more honest conversation. but i think as we see more protests around the world, we'll see that happen. as we said it spread across the world, and maybe this is the first stage of that happening.

>> as a muslim do you think the prophet muhammad should be depicted in any way? >> i believe in freedom of speech. as long as someone is not inciting violence directly, it should be fair game. people should be allowed to make the points they want to make. from a religious and moral point of view, muslims find negative depictions of religious figures to be offensive, but i find it offensive and that doesn't mean i will go out into the streets or write a letter to the editor, i'm mature enough to say you have a point of view, i have a point of view, we can agree to disagree. i think based on what's happening across the muslim world, the overwhelming majority are not willing to get on the streets to either protest peacefully or violently. we're looking at a violent radical fringe, unfortunately. >> do you think muslims worldwide think it's okay to depict the prophet muhammad? >> i don't think they agree with the ability to depict him, but a lot of shia muslims, for example, don't have the same taboo around depicting muhammad images.

this are also movies made about the prophet's life and sacred figures in islamic thought this has more do with political grievances, anger, democratization, opening up a political process for the first time and really these are societies where people are beginning to see their chance to really influence society in the state. so it's going to be messy along the way. this is unfortunately a bump along the road to more democratic and sophisticated conversations. >> great conversation. thank you very much. we have heard from the muslim. next, it's the christian's and the jew's turn. then if you had a question you didn't ask because you were worried about being judged, this next segment is for you. "no talking points" is next.

parody of the prophet muhammad has led to deadly uprisings throughout the muslim world. how is it that images of jesus can be made to parodies

without violent confrontations but not the prophet muhammad? is depicting one more acceptable than the other? two men have something to say on this. i spoke with them both, and let's hear from the rabbi first. >> muslims need to understand in any free and open society everything is going to be fair game. what they really need to understand is nobody can insult islam except muslims themselves. it's the behavior on the part of the religious people that profess a certain faith that will ultimately determine how that faith is depicted. if a catholic priest is found doing something illegitimate with a child, he's disgraced his faith. if a rabbi is doing something wrong within judaism, he has maligned his faith. and those that go out and burn embassies and do so in the name of the prophet muhammad, they are the blasphemers, and not some idiot with a camera with b list actors and up loading it up on youtube it is we who have to

be judged by how we depict our faith through our actions. we noeed to tell our islamic brothers and sisters, that you run the risk of allowing the world to see your religion as violent by not coming out and condemning the violence. >> that's the discussion that we had this week as we were putting the show together and that i had earlier and we will have a little later on. before i let you respond, bishop, and this week the idea that jesus may have had a wife and it didn't take long for the late night shows to go to town and have a little bit of fun. check it out. >> wouldn't that be something if jesus was married? he can turn water into wine but can't take out of garbage. maybe jesus was not his name and that's just what his wife yelled every time he came home late and it stopped. >> jesus, it sounds like i got

you at a bad time. i'll check with you real soon. okay? >> take the chargers minus 1 1/2. it's my pick of the week. >> thank you. will do, jesus. >> jesus was married! that is some pure, uncut sitcom bait. you can raise the dead but heaven help him when he foregets to put down the toilet seat. yes, kevin james is jesus in "the king of kings." so rabbi to your point it was all over the networks, but there was no uprisings, or burning effigies of stewart, kimmel. there's something to be said about letting words just be words as the rabbi said. >> when i see those i can't help but laugh because those guys are hysterically funny. when i watch any betrayal of

>> reporter: even my boys watch "south park," a lot of things, those guys are "r" rated. >> but to the rabbi's point, if you laugh at it, you laugh the at it -- >> for me personally they are not talking about the jesus i know. they are securing an image that people have about jesus, and it's attacking organized religion more than the actual jesus. >> are you offended by that at all? >> no, because i know who jesus is. and in some settings where i am, i know christians don't like when you are sort of in the setting when you say all the faiths are accepted and embraced because there's a great feeling among evangelicals that anybody that is not a christian, they are not going to heaven and they are going to hell. my feeling is, in all due respect, jesus is a big boy. you bring him to the party, he

can take care of himself. and if i do believe he is the king of kings and the lord of lords, anybody doing mel brooks parody, it's a nonissue. >> as i was saying, you can't stop the march of time, because you can upload this on anything. and if you want to live in a free and democratic society, that's part of living in a free and democratic society. but then again, we're looking tat in a western way. >> because when you deal with islam you're talking about national identity. you're not just talking about religion. you are talking about this is what we would call a muslim country. it's the same thing. it's like somebody insulting your mother or your family or school or whatever except when it comes to religion, you're dealing with the mysteries of god. >> rabbi you heard the jokes and we laughed at them and there were no burning effigies, nobody issued a fatwa or anything for those guys. so what gives here? >> the book of mormon playing a couple of blocks from where i'm

sitting nows that's utterly blasphemous to the mormons. forget about criticizing the prophet muhammad, if they spoke out against their own leaders they would be beheaded. try speaking out against king abdullah. so there has been a suppression of freedom of speech. there are no perfect people, and nobody is infallible. everybody is subject to criticism. >> our thanks to the rabbi and also to the bishop. time for "no talking points." tonight, muslims, islam and insult. for many in the u.s., the most mystifying thing about the reaction to the anti-islam film is not just the violence we've seen but the perception for some americans that a religion would condone a killing of a

blasphemier. >> the point i was trying to make, most muslims at least half of them around the world think it's okay to kill somebody if they insult the prophet, and that is a big problem. that is a clash of civilizations. >> dean has been write being this on cnn. he is live with us tonight. he is acomedian, a political commentator and also a muslim. dean, thank you. after last night we sparked a conversation that's going crazy on social media. so we invited you to come back and talk about this. those were strong words from bill maher, but he is saying civilized people don't act this way. >> i know he is saying that. as i said last night, i disagree with his number. 50% is an irresponsible number. i would love to see some polls that support that. but that doesn't matter. you're right. it's about perception.

a lot of my fellow americans don't think muslims are coming out and denouncing it. i denounce violence in the name of violence or islam or any faith for that matter. go ahead -- >> but -- >> we have to fight that. >> you do. you do. we will talk more about that. do you believe it's okay to depict therophet muhammad in any way, favorable or unfavorable? >> to me, as an american and i have to say frankly i'm an american first, i believe in freedom of expression. it's our fundamental rights, it's paramount. it has to be protected. even if you hate what people say, i will defend your right to say it. >> you think it's okay? >> i think it's acceptable in our society and i will defend the right to do it. i think it's offending certain people clearly, but most of america is not reacting the same way other extremists in other

countries. >> do you think it's okay? >> i can't quantify the number, but by the faith you are not supposed to depict muhammad, because they don't want idolotry. i get e-mails about joke house can you make fun of this person? it's how you respond to it. a civil protest is fine. we have to defend civil protests and that's freedom of speech, too. >> on friday we started talking about this on the bill maher show. i texted you and i said i hope you are watching bill maher. and you said you were angry about some of my responses, some of what you were saying. you said to me those people don't represent me. they don't represent muslims. so a nto a nonmuslim, it sounds like it's "those people over there" attitude. >> american muslims are not

protesting this way violently. it's a teeny number. for me to ask my fellow americans, tweet me and tell me what you would like us to do. i am sincere and not mocking, i want to know. we are fighting perception. i am frustrated because i don't know what more to do and we are trying our best. people are out there denouncing it, leaders in the muslim world are denouncing it. politics is playing a big role in motivating people to go to the street, especially in pakistan. >> remember last night, a pakistani governor leader acting on his own has offered a $100,000 bounty for the filmmaker. encouraging somebody to kill him. he said i am a muslim first and then a government representative. that seems to reinforce what americans believe to be a truth about muslims? >> that guy is an idiot. it's like having a klan member speak and defining people who are the same color or faith. this man is a radical, and he is an extremist and should not be allowed in the government.

no one like that should be allowed in the government if you're going to be a civil democratic society. that's what pakistan wants to be, aspires to be. >> comedians are emphatic about pushing the envelope. as a comedian, you know it's easier for people to learn through humor. why is muhammad off-limits to you? why won't you make jokes about him? comedians make fun of jesus all the time. >> we have this discussion. i don't do jokes about jesus, moses, abraham, muhammad. i do political comedy. i make fun of people in power every night. social issues, about islam phobia, homophobia, whatever you want about double standards i will fight against. >> don't you think that is -- by saying something is off limits -- >> no, this is my choice. i'm not saying it's off limits. it's not something i want to talk about because it's not part of my dna as a comic. if a comic wants to do jokes

making fun of all the prophets or jesus, i'll defend their right to do it. they might not get on tv if they say something ridiculous. i don't demonize anyone's faith. >> so you know we're dealing with time issues. not a lot of people realize this. the producers are going my gosh where will i find the time in the show. last night i read this quote in the show. you didn't have time to respond. this is from an op-ed, but the failure in tunisia, libya and yi egypt to control violent mobs of salafis enraged by mockery in america and europe of islam and the prophet muhammad suggests --

your turn now. >> my turn now. i think this is a turning point. i have never seen more muslims on twitter denouncing the attack of the ambassador. thousands writing condolence letters. i think this could be a tipping point in the right direction. it's not overnight. you can't change it in one day. i'm being honest. if you go to twitter and facebook and see the comments i'm getting from people, i've never seen this before i've never seen muslims from other countries, tunisia, pakistan and the middle east denouncing this. to me, i think we're at a point where perhaps we're about to take a big step forward. >> dean, thank you very much. >> thanks, don. appreciate it. >> i appreciate having this conversation, too. you heard dean mention this about our conversation. our conversation about this topic started on social media last night. most of you were happy to finally hear an honest discussion on television, some of you called me biased.

others said the same of dean. i can't speak for dean. dean and i are glad we can speak honestly and openly about this and every other subject. as for me, am i biased? maybe i am. how is that for honesty. i think more of us should admit that we might -- might have a bias or prejudice because if you don't allow the possibility if doesn't allow you to grow or learn. how can any one of us learn anything if we start with the belief that something does not exist? that's tonight's no-talking points. matt's brakes didn't sound right... ...so i brought my car to mike at meineke...

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let's take a look at the big stories in the week ahead from the white house to wall street. we begin tonight with the president's plans for the week. >> i am jessica yellin at the white house. next week president obama will speak to the united nations general assembly, among his topics the attacks in libya that killed americans and the instability in the middle east. while in new york, the president will address bill clinton's clinton global initiative. later in the week, president obama will continue his campaign travel visiting the battleground state of ohio. >> i'm paul steinhauser at the cnn political desk. mitt romney starts campaigning in the swing state of colorado. tuesday he speaks as does president obama at former president clinton's initiative. then it's off to ohio for a

two-day bus tour through the battleground state. romney picks up in the buckeye state where paul ryan leaves off. i am poppy harlow, and looking ahead to wall street we'll find out how much the u.s. economy grew in the second quarter this year with the final gdp readings set to be released on tuesday. we will also get the latest new home sales data and also a look at consumer confidence. any economic news these days plays into the election. meantime, nike and blackberry maker research in motion both report quarterly earnings this week. and kraft will be replaced by united health care on the dow. we'll track it all for you on cnn money. i am a.j. hammer, and we are catching up with tv legends, carol burnett, tim conway and vicki lawyer wednesday will be with me. we will talk about how "the carol burnett show" changed television forever. plus i go one-on-one with justin bieber. the first lady, michelle oba speaking out about voters' rights and talked about voter id laws, something my next guest says in a world is racism.

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republican lawmakers pushed voter i.d. laws across the country and democrats are crying foul. we started our conversation with the remarks by first lady, michelle obama, at saturday night's congressional black caucus dinner. >> we all get a say in our democracy, no matter who we are or where we are from or what we look like or who we love.

so we cannot let any one discourage us from casting our ballots and we cannot make anybody make us feel unwelcome in the voting booth. >> she says feel unwelcome in the voting booth. is it -- are people really -- is there really a strategy to make people feel unwelcome in the voting booth? the former president bill clinton said he has never seen it so blatant of trying to not allow people to vote. >> really? he's never seen it so blatant as when they made african-americans count jellybeans in a jar an get the number right before people cast a vote? it's the biggest bag of nothing designed to inflame voters, specifically minority voters into turning out this election. if you want to equate showing your i.d., an i.d. which, if you don't have the government will provide you for free. and if you don't have that free i.d., you can still cast a ballot a provisional ballot that

will be counted later. ifhat's the equivalent of a poll tax or a literacy test on african-americans in this country you are asking us to stretch logic to the furthest absurdity. most americans agree because the poll shows it. >> go ahead. >> i am going to try not to go off on my friend will here. i will try to keep my emotions intact here. i am just going to say it's racist. i am not going to dance around it. it's driven by racism. the fact that will can't see it, it's fine. everyone doesn't have to see the same story. this is driven by race. i was at the speech last night. i was at that dinner last night and i will tell you i did not believe there thinking i need to vote for obama because he is black. i left there thinking as an american citizen we should all be offended these tactics are being used to curtail our rights, the rights that black and whites died for. you don't have to go all the way back to slavery. jesse helms, hello, he used very

aggressive tactics to scare blacks from going back to the polls. >> it's nothing like this. >> let me finish. i allowed you to finish. saying things like if you go to these polls and you don't have x, y, and z documents, you will go to jail. that was not a long time ago. you and i, will, were in college. if you think this is a rouse, then what you're really saying is i'm a little butt out of touch when it comes to things addressing minorities, and i need my friend lz to tell me about them. >> never a dull moment. up next -- how booze helped shape the united states of america. >> look, this is the stuff your social studies teach every just didn't tell you. oscar likes tom's photos, but he loves the access to tom's personal information. oscar's an identity thief who

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mike rowe is best known as the host of "dirty jobs." how booze belt america. he says it played a big role in the settlers just getting to this country. >> it was on the mayflower. they stopped in the south because they ran out of beer. back in those days, beer was the only thing you drank. once they got into new england, or what became new england, they started to build taverns every few miles. there was no facebook.

taverns were the social network. beer was the thing that held everybody together. >> one portion of the first portion that i watched that i was amazed by was the "national anthem," and it's based on a english drinking song? >> yeah, it was an old poem that had been around for years and years and years. the tune was a drinking song. francis scott key was a lawyer and was hired to defend an american who gave british soldiers quarter. he and this guy are drinking wine outside ft. mchenry, bombs bursting in the air, when key writes the star spangled banner. this is all set to an english drinking song. you know, i'm not saying we don't have a national anthem without booze, but we certainly don't have the one we have without it. >> what is your favorite story about the influence of alcohol

and the founding of the country? >> you could look, for instance, at lincoln's assassination. everybody knows the story, right? ford's theater, star saloon, and john wilkes booth is in the saloon for a full half hour before he shoots the president. he is sitting there drinking. liquid courage, and he gets his courage up and leaves the room to shoot my favorite president. people know that. what they don't know in the same room is a guy sort of in a pinkerton uniform dressed as a cop. that's john parker, lincoln's bodyguard. everybody's drinking. when you think about how did booze take america on a different course, would booth have pulled the trigger had he not had a few in him? would the bodyguard had stopped him had he been in his proper post? it helped bring the north and south together faster. it hastened the reconciliation,