tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN October 17, 2012 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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he threw out his idea last night and it is the same sketchy deal the president talked about in the debate. and the president was very, very specific about steps we could take to continue to improve our economy and it is improving. mitt romney talked about his view about how the president formed last night. i think it isn't anything that the president still doesn't have an agenda for a second term.
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he has to come up with that over this weekend. there is only one debate left on monday. >> i think it isn't anything that the president still doesn't have an agenda for the second term. >> the problem i had for you last night was that although president obama argued his own case far better than the first argued his own case far better than the first debate he was a totally different president obama last night. i thought that mitt romney got stuck into president obama's record in an effective way too. let's face it. you know this. you are a presidential historian no one has been re-elected other than fdr himself where you had these numbers.
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these are huge sticks to beat you guys with. let me say a few things about this first. no other president other than roosevelt has come to office with the economic calamity that the president faced and the american people know that. let's look at what happened in the last the 1 months, unemployment dropped at a faster rate than 1995. incomes are up for the first time in four years. today we learned that home construction is up by 15% in september and 38% over the last 12 months. we had a calamity we had to deal with and working our way out of it and gaining a momentum. it's telling that all governor romney can do is engage in these
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lamm lamo lamentations. tax breaks for the wealthy, exploding our deficits, rolling back the rules huge pressure no sides for the last debate on monday. it's foreign policy and one of the biggest flash points was foreign policy what happened in benghazi with the ambassador. it was me a home run moment for mitt romney he screwed up. there were valid criticisms he could have raised. we had the admission from the secretary of state, hillary clinton it was her blame and not the president. i would have gone on that. mitt romney used
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why didn't you use acts of terror when the president had used that. if you're being honest about this, david, the wider issue is not just that little dispute over acts of terror. it's really about what happened and who knew what and what the security requirements were that came through and did the white house ever see them? had mitt romney phrased the question better, it would have been a more difficult moment for the president than it was. do you accept as administration that there were failings here? >> look, i think what the president said last night was very, very clear. he feels -- he takes responsibility for every single person we send overseas in diplomatic missions and dangerous places as well as our service people. as someone close to him, i know how personally he takes that. and his reaction to this tragedy, to this heinous attack
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is, a, do what we need to bring the people to justice. b, to find out what went wrong so that we can correct it and make sure that we have -- that we give our diplomats all the protection they need in the future. you can't 100% guarantee, but we want to do the best that we can possibly do. so, you know, that has been -- that has been the case from the beginning of this. the president did what the president should, which is to say, let's get to the bottom of this and let's correct it and let's go after the people who did it. governor romney, on the other hand, approached this as a political opportunity. it shouldn't be a surprise. if you go back to the 47% from boca raton, he told that audience that night, i'm looking forward to some sort of problem, some sort of incident in foreign policy and national security and we're going to take advantage of that opportunity. and he couldn't even wait for the facts to leap out there and
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try and exploit this. he continues to try and exploit it on it while the president is about the business of finding out what happened and acting on it. that's what people want from a president of the united states 37. >> what i was surprised about, does a president never get anything from any embassy around the world, asking for extra staff? does he never see any requests of that nature? >> piers, there are 280 installations around the country. all of those go into the security professionals at the state department who made judgments based on their expertise as to what is done. it's preposterous to think that individual embassies and consulates would be sending those requests to the white house. that's not the way the system has ever worked. it's not the way the system should work. i can't imagine that's how a president romney would operate. it's absurd. >> final question.
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binders for women. i find it facile and silly that democrats are making fun of mitt romney. do you think you should be focusing on more serious thing than this? >> the point the governor was making is he couldn't find qualified women so he reached out. turns out an organization gave him the particular binder with resumes of women. but i'm not surprised that he needed the help because if you look at the business that he ran before he was governor, they had no women at a senior level. they had no women partners. he explained at the time, well, business schools aren't graduating more than a handful of women. actually, at the time, harvard business school was 25% or 30% of their graduates were women.
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governor romney apparently didn't reach out for binders then when he was trying to stash his own business. it's also true, as it turns out, his record was no better in massachusetts. i'm concerned about his awkward construction and what it might say about his attitude than what it says about his record, which is poor. >> as always, thank you very much, indeed. >> great to be with you, piers. rising democratic star cory booker as mitt romney's numbers don't add up. the latest on the new york city terror plot. [ male announcer ] when these come together,
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authorities arrested a 21-year-old man from bangladesh they say was planning to blow up the federal reserve. they say he was detained after attempting to detonate a bomb this morning. he told an undercover agent the attack might disrupt the election. the white house and president obama have been briefed on the plot. joining me, mayor of a neighbor city, cory booker. >> thanks for having me back. >> let's start off this foiled bomb plot, 21-year-old from bangladesh, might be inspired by al qaeda. it remind me of the ever-present danger of a rogue terrorist element. >> yeah, this is a reality we live in. not just in the new york city area, all over the country, london, europe, south america, in places like mumbai. what i'm very sort of impressed with is the law enforcement
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coalition we have since 9/11. in the six years i've been mayor, i've seen it get tighter and tighter and tighter, communications the way we investigate these things. this is just another tribute, another terrorist attack that did not happen. >> the fbi set up a sting operation, dummies for his plot and they foiled the plot. >> i know from my experience in newark, we've had some places that were specifically targeted as well. the best thing i want people to understand, if you see something, say something. a lot of times we've seen, for instance, in new york, people seeing suspicious things and reporting it. not only does law enforcement have to be vigilant, we have to. it does not hurt to make a phone call and report it. >> we talked a little earlier about the bust-up last night in the debate about libya. mitt romney missing a pretty easy home run, i felt, when he didn't phrase the question properly allowing the president
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to skip on with, hang oshg i did use that phrase. what i don't understand about that whole fiasco is why the president would worry about saying, from the start, exactly what you just said, the world has an ever-present danger from terrorism. full stop. right now these things are going to happen and we'll deal with them. >> again, you and i talked off camera. bad things happen. we've had pretty bad things happen in new welcome back with people in our community dying. what i was refreshed by by the president in reiterating his position where he was solid and said over and over again, i am responsible, it happened on my watch and i take responsibility for it. he did not let the secretary of state, the state department take the heat for him. that is what i remember on the days where from newark you could see the smoke coming up from 9/11 is -- there was a resoluteness amongst all of our leaders, then republican.
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there was a pulling together of everyone and focusing on the issue. what bothers me about this is more -- not we're quibbling over who said what when, whatever. there isn't any pulling together. americans were killed abroad. where is that unity that should happen? this is one thing i'm uncomfortable with. when the picture is, yeah, if somebody died, something went wrong and the president said, i stand up and take responsibility, but just like when somebody guys of gunfire in my city, we need to quickly learn from it, and then all pug pull together to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> the polls gave the debate to president. the democrats must be concerned about this. >> there is a lazy narrative.
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it's hard to get people to pull back and see the larger narrative. from my community, we were free falling, housing, financial, auto industry. the president was able to stabilize. that economic indices, every month, things are getting better. unemployment coming down, but it's still a hard sell to show somebody, look how progress we've made. by the way, we've made momentum. >> is the president framing what he will do in an aggressive manner? the president was very good at defending himself last night on his existing record and going after mitt romney on where he felt he was vulnerable in his record. what i didn't really get a sense of, what is the vision of four more years of obama? we had hope and change. the hope didn't really materialize and there wasn't a grey great deal of change. >> i mean, that's where i actually disagree. there was a lot of hope i've had that's been delivered upon. from issues of equity, the lilly
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ledbetter law. i hope people get equal work and equal pay. gays in military. on economic issues, i'm in a city that when the country's in a recession, urban areas are in a depression. programs working with obama from the stimulus, you name it, we're in a period of creating thousands of jobs, over 5,000 jobs created in newark, hope my city hasn't seen before. when it comes to small businesses, i saw this, clearly. in fact, as i stump around the country, i see people in flint, michigan, spa, other programs president obama dwint just cut taxes but gave us capital at a time we desperately needed it. >> 23 million americans unemployment and a $16 trillion debt. these are two huge stakes mitt romney can keep way fort next -- >> but there is a level of hypocrisy. this is what really bothers me. i saw this clearly in the debate.
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when he talks about a deficit, number one, was begun in a significant way on another person's watch, and then you are arctticulating the same policie that created that deficit. president obama was given a specific plan about how to cut $4 trillion and continuous moving forward -- >> cory, but if you offer hope and change and take the debt up to $16 trillion, that's not hope and change, except for the worse. >> hold on for a second. two things i want to say. one to continue the point i was making before. when the alternative says i'm going to increase military spending by $1 trillion, increase tax cuts for wealthy. by the way, i'm not going to tell you how i'm going to pay for this stuff. that's what we had under bush economy. increased war spending, increased tax cuts and a hole that got us into this economy. we need to deal with structural long-term debt. bush started to say, we needed to inject stimulus into the
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economy. inject stimulus, start to lower unemployment rate, save the auto industry, which took money to do that. we saved 1.4 million jobs. the reality is we've stabilized the economy, we're growing and now obama brought to washington some of the things he brought to congress have been shot down, like a plan every economist said would create jobs but he brought a specific plan to cut the deficit. what i just hope mitt romney would do, in the last breadth of the campaign, tell me what you're going to cut, what loophole you're going to end? carried interest, the mortgage deduction? give us specifics of your plan because obama has been forced to do that, not just with his mouth but he showed us the last four years the specifics of his plan. >> give me one line you would give the president as advice for final's monday debate. >> i would never advise the president of the united states because he's pretty darn good on
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his own. what i want to see is what i saw before. a strong, resolute, determined president who's going to look in the camera, especially on foreign policy issues, and tell it like it is over and over again. our president will do great. the job now in this campaign, svens would he focused on debates s going to turn out, the operations on the ground. >> always a pleasure. good to see you. and stones coming to new york. >> yes. >> big news. mitt romney as lieutenant governor, why she says binders for women is no big deal. there's the sign to the bullpen.
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♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ mitt romney taken a lot of flack for his binders of women but is that fair. joining me another woman, kerry healey. welcome. >> thank you. >> before we get to the binders full of women scandal. let's discuss quickly what happened last night with the libya debate. a lot of heat being given by the republicans today. that cnn's candy crowley shouldn't have jumped in and said what she said. from my point of view, when you have mitt romney saying for the record, we've now got it on the record. but of course it wasn't on the record. he was wrong. he chose the wrong line to put on the record because it turned out barack obama had said the
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phrase "act of terror" in the speech mitt romney was talking about. why shouldn't have candy crowley jumped in what she did? >> clearly the phrase act of terror was in the speech that was given in the rose garden. but there was no connection -- if you look at the text, there was no connection n my mind, between that phrase are any sense of cause although that cost stevens his death. but i think the questions are valid and they are going to continued to be asked and especially if you look at the timeline. how many people from the administration were unable to answer what caused this terrible calamity or blamed repetitively the action on a demonstration that got out of hand, the president himself at the united nations, two weeks later, mentioning it six times himself -- >> that's true and candy did point that out. the big problem for mitt romney is he got it wrong.
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in the heat of the debate moment, with everyone watching, what he should have said is, look, it took me two week to knowledge. it wasn't the video that sparked this. it was a preplanned al qaeda attack that sparked qul. he didn't say that >> i didn't attribute the appropriate causeality about that. mitt romney was correct about that. >> but he was clumsy. >> not in my mind. >> let's move onto binders for the women. i'm on mitt romney's side. i do a complete 360. let's watch what he actually said. >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women to find backgrounds that could be qualified to work in our cabinet. i went to women's groups and they brought us whole binders full of women. >> i don't get what's wrong with it? so what, he got a load of
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binders about details about women. good of him. >> and that is right. i was actually the liaison to the organization and i spent hours pouring through the binders filled with resumes of talented women. >> was it phraseology? is it mitt romney's problem phraseology? should he have phrased it a different way? >> perhaps. i'm with you. but i do think that this is part of the pattern of trying to distract from the serious issues that are -- that should be being debated not only on the stage last night but during the course of the campaign generally. >> let's just watch what president obama and joe biden said today about binders of women. >> we don't have to collect a bunch of binder to find qualified, talented, driven young women ready to learn and teach in these fields right now. >> the idea to go and ask where a qualified woman was, he should
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have come to my house. he didn't need a binder. >> see, i think it's a bit silly. it's a silly thing. the democrats, like they did with the bird big thing, i don't get it. i think it is cheap. and it is a wrong approach too. >> mitt romney not only asked me to run with him as lieutenant governor, but his chief of staff was a distinguished woman who also ran his presidential campaign last time. his chief policy adviser was a woman. and half the women on the cabinet were women. so, i think that it is a stretch to make this an issue and it also is a misdirection. if you look at the women in the economy in our country today, there's 500,000 more women unemployed, who lost their jobs during the obama administration. and why weren't we talking about
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them? why didn't we hear anything? >> you're -- >> they're attacking mitt romney how he's going to help them. why didn't we hear about how he was going to get them employed? he is talking about the issues that they care about. there are lots of things that you can attack women about. contraception and abortion. and i don't agree with him about all of those issues. but they're just fighting on the wrong playing field, the democrats. if i was them, i would focus on what matters to women. i can tell you, it's not about binders of women when he's trying to employ more women in the cabinet. nice to meet you. >> thank you very much. when we come back, battleground america, binders full of women, sketchy deals, the high points and low point of the debate last night.
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romney over the libya questions. political all-stars and battle ground america. matthew seigal. welcome to you all. youthful panel but expert. let me start with you. the general view is obama won last night on a few technicalities but maybe hasn't changed the needle of romney's momentum. is that the way you see it? >> i don't think it changes the dynamics at all. like the vice presidential debate, both candidates went out and gave a good performance both of their sides would love. i think democrats were excited to see a little more energy from obama this time around.
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i think with-m-m, the libya really changed the momentum and is what allowed this, in my view, this debate to end up as a draw. >> he screwed it up in my opinion. let's go to cecile richard, probably think obama had a fantastic night. is it going to change the polls and are you getting worried about what you're seeing in the polls, because clear momentum now surging behind mitt romney. >> i don't think there's clear momentum surging behind romney. i think what you're seeing today is women are going to be the deciding voters in this election. it was clear to me between these two candidates who's on the side of women. it was extraordinary to think that a young woman could ask about where mitt romney stood on equal pay and i let really couldn't answer the question. the best answer they can get out of him and his campaign is he wouldn't repeal equal pay. i think on a whole series of issues, that women care about and men care about equal pay, the right to get birth control
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from your employer, he completely mislead people about that, he supported the bill that would have allowed employers to refuse birth control to their employers. and a topic that didn't come up but is of grave concern to women, is he said he wants to repeal roe versus wade, which has been a right for the last 40 years. >> i think all those things, the latter part of what cecile said there, are relative things to go after romney about personally. what i didn't understand is why they're making such a big attack plan and getting so excited about the binders for women thing. seemed to me a clumsily phrased thing but what was tibehind it, what he was trying to do, was a perfectly okay thing. isn't it the wrong target, like big bird last week. it trivializes thing and one reason romney is getting momentum. democrats are going after the wrong stuff. >> we had a piece in "new york"
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magazine that romney was boasting his attempteds to hire women. there have been questions about the accuracy about the boast but the phrases about women, he just missed the word, women candidates. it sounded slightly silly but everyone knows what he meant. romney has done the same thing of taking a garbled bit of syntax and trying to construct a campaign about it. it's silly. everyone knows what he was trying to say. >> you're an independent. what did you make of the debate last night? >> the first question i was pleased to see came from a college student, who's in your green room, jeremy. he's my archatype, college student, played by the rules, taken out debt to get a job and of course there's a weak labor market. how did, at first, governor romney respond? he kept saying -- i read the transcript four times -- i know, quote, what it takes to build a business. i know what it takes to help
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recover the economy. but there was no specificity as to -- at one point he even promised jeremy a job. there was no specificity in what his plan is to actually give jeremy a job. meanwhile, president obama out of the gate answered that question by saying, i want to invest in manufacturing positions. now, while those manufacturing pogs might very well appeal to swing state voter in ohio, pennsylvania or michigan, the fact of the matter is, the average young person today is looking for tech positions, looking for accounting positions, looking for medicine careers. those are the growing industries. >> both candidates are way off the mark, you think? >> yes. meanwhile you have a huge opportunity because each candidate could have tapped the idealism of my generation, saying we're going to ask every person to volunteer. it was that ideal that got barack obama elected in 2008 and i wanted to see ambition and idealism restored to politics and that's why my generation has
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enthusiasm der-- >> i think they're both lacking in detail. for president obama i don't think we got a vision of the next four years. >> it's a campaign of differentiation. >> i agree. monday's debate is about the foreign policy. very important for both of us. it's the final debate. last chance. these are getting huge odd yens. nearly 70 million people tuned in. this is potentially make or break. who has a stronger position on foreign policy? >> i think this is one of those ones where i actually view mitt romney as having the potential to -- he's coming in, i think, as the underdog but has a really strong hand. i don't expect him to have a sort of complicated -- i don't expect him to miss on the libya issue next time around. people have generally said because the economy and domestic policy is really mitt romney's strong suit, that's where they expect to see him perform well but i think there will be a lot of times where he's able to link, you know, america's place in the world to our economic security. >> but what happens -- what
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happens, though, if all that mitt romney does -- he come out and says, look, you know, come o mr. president, it's been a disaster and barack obama turns around and says, well, i killed osama bin laden, i helped kill ga dar gadhafi, got mu bab rack out, ended the war in iraq, what else did i do, brought freedom and democracy to middle eastern states. not a bad resume on the ticket in the first term? >> you have to do a lot -- killing bin laden i would hope any president who do. >> but he did it. >> their foreign policies are very different. i think it will be interesting to see them debate about it since there was so little foreign policy in last night's debate with the exception of the libya exchange. >> cecile, your verdict of what might happen on monday? >> well, i actually think -- you
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laid out his record and i think we have one of the most extraordinary secretaries of state weaver ever heard, revered in this country and around the world. looking back at vice presidential debate where clearly these issues did come out, joe biden said we're going to get out of afghanistan. paul ryan was unable to talk about what the plan was to get out of the war in afghanistan. i think the president has a very strong hand going into this. mitt romney and the few opportunities he's had, to have on the international stage, has not shown himself to be ready to be a world leader. >> okay. jonathan, mitt romney may say, hang on a s.e.cecond, unstable , dangerous pakistan, in the middle east the democracy we instilled is up in flame, et cetera, et cetera. a very different narrative could come out if he could convince the voters watching that's actually what's going on. >> the world is always a scary place. a news story about a terrible thing happening overseas and you can say, this is the president's vault. i think actually obama has an
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opportunity because romney has surrounded himself with the same basic neoconservatives who are advising bush, so he can say, you know, this is the same disastrous oversimplistic world view. i'm not a devilish guy myself but this simplicity of romney's foreign policy is frightenling and biden was hitting this, saying they're going to send you back to war and i think it's realistic. >> matt, the youth view? >> two thing. >> make it one. >> we have uniquely mobile generation restoring our name in the rest of the world and deficit reduction. we're spending too much money on war in my generation -- >> romney or obama on war? >> the average young person is for barack obama on foreign policy because he ended the war, and investing of things outside of war, which we want to see. four panelists at last night's debates.
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kerry ladtka. let's go down the list, huge audience, your big moment. nina, gun control was your question. i was thrilled about that. i've been banging on that. i was not impressed by either answer. neither candidate want to do anything about gun control, do they? >> appears not. >> they don't want to answer. they're sucking up to the gun lobby nra. i don't get it. let's turn to you. carol, outsourcing jobs. i've been banging on about this, too. i don't like the fact successful american companies ship out like apple ten times as many of their jobs to china as they do this country. you put them on the spot. i wasn't impressed by the answers. were you? >> not at all. i think they could have gone a little further and gone more into the meat of the matter. instead of speaking in general terms. that's what i've been hearing throughout the campaign is, yeah, we need jobs but nothing specific, so i was disappointed. >> jeremy, you haven't got a
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job. are you more likely to get one if barack obama or mitt romney wins after what we heard last night? >> if mitt romney win he said i would have a job by the time i graduate in 2014. >> do you believe him? >> i don't think so, but they have to say that. they're trying to get your vote. i honestly think in terms of my question, i don't know that they specifically addressed my question because i was asking about the college student in my position. i think they went on a tailspin, not answering what i wanted to get out of it. >> the libya question was probably the big flash point of the evening. you know, obviously, mitt romney stumbled and let obama in and he got off the hook that way. what was your overview by the time you look back on it, about how they answered? >> i thought neither question during the debate was on point. i think obama was evasive. i thought mitt romney was circular. the president did spent a moment with me after the debate to further clarify his feelings and
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thoughts on libya but i thought he was another recipient of a nonanswer. >> what did he say to you? >> he told me the cause for the delay between the rose garden announcement and the 14-day official terror announcement was because he wanted to be deliberate. that any action he took anywhere in the world, especially the middle east, could cause irreparable harm and he wanted to act on true information. >> did you talk to any candidates afterwards? >> yes. i spoke to governor romney and president obama. >> did either give you a glimmer of hope about gun control? >> i was anxious to hear president obama's reaction. and then we were cut off because someone redirected his attention. so, i had a fantasy of asking him to meet with me again so i can hear what he has to say. >> we can arrange that. but no more movement -- >> no due to an interruption. >> carol, anything from either afrtsdz? >> not so much romney. he was not -- but president
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obama came by and thanked me for the question and said it was a good question. and he said he was going to work hard at it. and then we left it at that, so -- >> jeremy, either of them personally say, look, come and work for me? >> well, i mean, i talked a little bit with barack obama's campaign feel. i feel president obama is a little more personable but mitt romney did leave earlier than the president did. >> is it quality time? >> i guess so. >> if you made your mind up, romney or obama? >> i haven't completely made up my mind but i lean toward president obama. >> president obama. i'm still undecided. >> i would put myself in undecided bracket but if the electric was today i think i would lean toward the president. >> undecided. >> two for the president, two undecided. fascinating. you did great last night. all great questions. a fascinating debate. coming next, only in
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cheated. he was epic fraud of epic prisoner portion. it's not about the bike, which is repeated proud mantra. he's right. it was about the amount of dope blood injeked into his body. for a decade or more, he insisted the doping rumors were bad face lies and meant to smear him. he berated journalists, using expensive lawyers. he employed the same tactic on female colleagues he compelled to conspire in his cheating. now from a report from antidoping, with more than two dozen witnesses, the truth about lance armstrong has finally emerged. he masterminded the greatest drug scandal in sporting history. today nike along with other sponsors who endorsed armstrong for many years threw in the towel and they said due to
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insurmountable evidence that lance armstrong participated in doping and misled nike for more than a decade, it is with great sadness. he said to spare the foundation of any negative effects. he subbornly refuses to admit his guilt or say sorry. it can surely be one person left in the world that think's lance armstrong is innocent, and that's lance armstrong. the gig is up, mr. armstrong. you cheated us all. shame on you. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts new. we begin with mitt romney keeping him honest, something he said at the debate, something that's silly but might have serious consequences for the campaign because it involves that key voting bloc, which is women. you
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