fifth grade teacher, maybe sixth grade. mr. dobush. a long time ago. he was sort of a hippie type if you will in those days, as you call them. he was about free expression. back then, i told him i wanted to be a professional bicycle racer, which was unheard of. this is 1960s, all right. and everyone made fun of me. you know what? if you want to do it, you think you can do it, follow your heart and you can do it. and he was right. >> i'm john berman. >> i'm christine romans, i'll follow my heart right over to "starting point" with soledad o'brien right now. good morning, welcome everybody. a deep and deadly freeze. bitterly cold temperatures across much of the country today. four people are dead. the question is, will the freeze loosen its grip any time soon. a live report, just ahead.

the long awaited testimony prosecu from secretary of state hillary clinton. what will the fallout be? is housg back on track? finally, new numbers say yes. the man who predicted the crash of 2008 says. no. did she or didn't she? beyonce, did she lip sync the national anthem at the presidential inauguration. >> ed royce is with us, chair of the committee to whom secretary clinton will testify today. utah congressman jason chaffetz. wolf blitzer, dr. sanjay gupta is with us. model and mogul kimora lee simmons is our guest and peter yost will join us. wednesday, january 23rd. "starting point" begins right now. good morning, welcome,

everybody. starting point this morning, it's cold. bitter, blistering deadly cold. four deaths linked to the bitter coll snap hitting the upper midwest, mid-atlantic and new england right now. police and people in some areas bracing for the coldest day in two years. bundling up to protect their skin from subzero windchill. so cold in fargo, north dakota, that a reporter was able to hammer a nail with a banana. i am not making that up. jennifer delgado. >> not lip syncing either. >> not lip syncing this morning. >> very cold outside. once again, talking about the cold air in place from the upper midwest toward new england. still in some parts minnesota and north dakota. we'll see windchill values dropping to minus 35. effecting the mid-atlantic and

new england will take it hard as well. windchill values dropping down to minus 40 degrees. in fact, let's go to some video to give you an idea of people and how they are been dealing with cold, bitter, and deadly conditions this is showing you people walking around and he's smart. has the hat on. you want to keep in mind, just being outside for say, ten minutes, in a windchill of minus 30, you could suffer from frostbite. take you back over to graphic, look at the windchill values right now. minus 1 in milwaukee, it feels like 6 in syracuse. we'll see temperatures warm up a bit. but talking about numbers running 10 to 20 below average for this time year. and dangerous even as we go through the end of the week. soledad, back over to you. nice and warm in the studio. it is bitterly cold. >> inside, yes. but outside, brutal today. and it was lucky we were talking

for the inauguration, not to be this cold that would be tough on folks. thank you, jennifer. we'll continue to check in throughout the morning. in two hours, secretary of state hillary clinton facing a grilling on security failures at the u.s. diplomatic failure in benghazi. members of the house foreign affairs committee and the senate foreign relations committee, expecting tough questions. some are predicting no major bombshells. jill dougherty is at the state department this morning. >> good morning, soledad. secretary clinton will be with the senate for 90 minutes and then over to the house side in the afternoon for another 90 minutes. since all of this began in the aftermath of benghazi, there have been 30 hearings and closed door sessions, but none of them have been as high profile as this one with secretary clinton. after all this is one of the last things that hillary clinton will do as secretary of state.

>> the long awaited testimony by secretary of state hillary clinton. now state department cables telling jake tapper that christopher stevens once proposed moving the mission where he died to a more secure location. but the department refused. >> what did the secretary of state know before, during, and after? because the american people were clearly deceived. >> reporter: aides say she is likely to repeat what she told cnn in october. >> i take responsibility. i'm in charge of the state department. 60,000 plus people all over the world. 275 posts. >> reporter: nine days after the attack, the first top official to brief the full senate in closed session. since then, more than 30 hearings and closed door briefings with state department officials present. clinton's testimony delayed by travel and illness. >> she needs to be asked about

what she knew about the det deteriorating circumstances in benghazi. >> reporter: that cable warned that the u.s. mission in benghazi, not secure enough to survive a coordinated attack. other senators claim clinton's state department has not handed over all communications on benghazi. >> texting, instant messaging, we need to have a look at that, which we haven't seen yet. >> reporter: others want to know what clinton knows about the misleading talking points. u.n. ambassador susan rice used in the sunday talk shows and why clinton herself didn't appear instead. clinton is likely to tell congress how she already has ordered implementation of recommendations from an independent review. tightened security at diplomatic posts worldwide and send threat analysts to a dozen high risk posts.

will congress give the outgoing secretary of state a hard time? >> i'm sure she's not beaten up. highly respected by everybody on the committee. >> and there can also be -- we are told more questioning on more recent events. that would include algeria. hostage taking just last week. after all, an al qaeda linked group believed to have a hand in that. and republicans might say that president obama was wrong when he said al qaeda is on the run. soledad. >> jill dougherty, thank you, jill. ahead at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. cnn will bring you special live coverage of secretary clinton's testimony. wolf blitzer and jake tapper will break it down. and we'll continue to talk about this with california republican ed royce, chair of the committee before which the secretary will testify today. other stories making news and john berman has a look at those. a 22-year-old man faces

assault charges after a shooting on the campus of lonestar college on houston tuesday. three people wounded, including a campus maintenance worker. another person treated for what appeared to be a heart attack. students describe a scene of utter chaos on campus. some hiding under desks while others ran for their lives. ed lavendera live in houston. what's the latest? >> caller: we >> reporter: well, john, charges of aggravated assault charged against 22-year-old carlton barry, the man suspected of starting a shooting. it started as ab argument between barry and another man. the other person wounded and is being treated in the hospital. in the mele, two other people taken to the hospital. a maintenance worker was shot in the leg. he's being treated. and a fourth person suffered a heart attack. in all of the confusion. an incredibly intense situation

for many students on campus, surrounded by several thousand people on the campus led away and started running panicking, running for cover to get out of the situation as they were wondering whether or not they were caught in the middle of another school massacre. >> all of a sudden i heard firing and people started rushing in the hallways, and a few students came into our room seeking shelter. it was very scary. anything can happen. >> reporter: a tense situation. and the headlines we've heard so much over the past few months clearly in the back of many people's minds as the situation erupted on the ccampus of lones college. not clear if any more charges will be filed. we'll stand by and look for that. >> this tragedy adding talking points on both sides of the gun control debate. ed lavendera, thank you so much.

new this morning, executive director of the nra, wayne la pierre, lashing out at president obama. he accused the president of attacking gun owners by proposing a national registry and background checks for anyone purchasing a gun. this is what he said. >> there's only two reasons for a federal list on gun owners. to either tax them or take them. it's the only reason. >> la pierre went on to criticize the president's inaugural speech saying it's an attack on the nra, second amendment, and gun owners themselves. there was no mention of gun control. republicans shifting strategy on the dealt ceiling. they have the votes to pass a short-term debt ceiling increase today. they will look for deep spending cuts later. it would suspend the debt limit

to allow the u.s. to keep borrowing money to pay bills for three months. complicated but politically interesting. in exchange, calling on the senate to pass a budget by spring. so lady fwgaga playing at t inaugural campaign bash for staffers and a special guest with her. tony bennett to sing a duet for "the lady is a tramp" sang they like so much. bennett also performed for several other presidents. tough news for lady gaga. justin bieber passed her on twitter. justin bieber the most followed person on theet earth. approximate 33,300,000. >> i'm sure my daughters follow him. i will have to ask them.

maybe i should follow him. >> 33,300,001 with soledad. did beyonce lip sync. here is how it went on inauguration day. ♪ and the rocket's red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there ♪ >> so much fun to watch in person. we were really like right up in front. the marine corps band stirred up controversy, because the spokesperson released a statement saying that beyonce did not actually sing and walked it back with a statement saying,

regarding ms. knowles-carter's performance, no one in the marine band is in a position to assess whether it was live or prerecorded. we heard from kelly clarkson's folks and james taylor's folks, they had performed live. do we care? >> i wish they would clear it up. i can see why you would record something like that. although the two other performers did not record. it's not like milli vinilli. >> don't knock milli vinilli, they do a stage show. i saw them live. he. >> i can't believe are you admitting that. >> one guy says lip syncing isn't easy actually. could have been pulling the earpiece out to stay to time with the music. >> the person with the most insight was aretha franklin, who four years ago performed at the inauguration, and she said this.

interviewed by abc news. she says, listen, 46, 44 degrees, for most singers, that's not good singing weather. she cracked up and next time she will probably do the same. not a big deal, most -- past people who have recorded. >> does she lip sync in concert, beyonce? >> i don't think so. when you think are you seeing leave performance, you should know. >> u.it's a live performance of herself. >> she's not dancing or playing an instrument. what is she doing? >> you sit 25, 30 minutes and your choivoice starts to change. if i had walked out and immediately been able to belt out my song, because i was warmed out and ready to sing. when you sit in the cold, are you concerned it won't be as

good. >> the band, no sound coming out of the saxophone, and no sound -- they started asking questions. not clear what was happening. >> so much to clear up. >> beyonce can clear it up. also talking about secretary clinton and the grilling she will face today about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. so what do critics want to hear? what would satisfy them? we'll talk to republican congressman ed royce, chair of the committee that will talk to secretary clinton. business news this morning. >> your house. biggest asset. biggest monthly bill. housing recovery under way. in fact, the best we've seen in five years. so does that mean the market is back? how will you make money in housing again? ♪

[ male announcer ] end your long week... with a weekend getaway. save up to forty percent on all weekend hotel stays. book by january thirty first at hiltonanyweekend.com. welcome back, everybody. in less than two hours, hillary clinton will begin one of the toughest days in office. she will testify in front of many of her critics, would like to know the details of what happened in the consulate attack in benghazi. chair of the house foreign affairs committee, the committee before which the secretary will be appearing at 9:00 a.m. eastern. we appreciate your time. >> good to be with you, soledad. >> what would you like to know? you will have the opportunity to interview the secretary. first question is what?

>> one of the questions here is we knew there was an al qaeda affiliate. an al qaeda group outside of the compound. we knew there had been several attacks on the compound. several bombs thrown over the wall. we also knew there was this request from our ambassador for morae assets. the first question, why did the secretary of state not offer more from the department of defense? basically, the decision was made not to provide those assets, which were provided for free from the defense department in order to defend our personnel. that's one question we have. another question, going forward, there are going to be more attacks on our ambassadors by al qaeda. it's very important. we figure out what went wrong and why. because this is not the first

time we are going to find our personnel. we saw in algeria, our people overseas were targeted. when have you this systemic problem, it demands a few answers, and i hope we hear today. >> you want to walk through the specifics of those systemic failures. and i note you well know, the secretary said, listen, i am ultimately as secretary of state, responsible. here is what she said back in october. i want to play that. >> i take responsibility. i am in charge of the state department. 60,000 plus people, all over the world. 275 posts, the president and the vice president certainly wouldn't be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals. >> since she's already ultimately said, listen, yes, i'm ultimately the person responsible, do you feel you need to hear that again in this hearing? >> i think what we'll find out

in this hearing are more answers to the questions of how it could possibly be, when the regional security officer spells out the threats, we've just obtained new memos that indicate that the state department was aware of these requests and the threats. we know that this went all the way to the seventh floor. for whatever reason, the decision was made to turn down the judgment of our personnel on the ground and to turn down the judgment of the regional security officer in tripoli, who were requesting these assets, and communicating that al qaeda was in the process, you know, of threatening our personnel. so to get to the bottom of that, none of this was looked at in the arb report. we would like -- >> are you talking about the accountable review board report. one of the things they did say, they did kind of broach it. for many years, the state department engaged in a struggle

to obtain the resources necessary to carry out its work with varying degrees of success and it has also had the affect of conditioning a few state department manages to favor restricting the use of resources as a general orientation. i thought in part that was referring to you what were saying. >> it's not -- >> listen, you are going to have a tight budget, people will give you a hard time about it, so the culture is don't spend the money, don't put the effort in. >> soledad, this is not about the budget. these assets were free, from the department of defense. this team was out there to defend. and the request by the regional security officer was, let's extend the presence of this team beyond august, and the response was that would be embarrassing to have to rely upon the dod for the defense of our personnel so we are not going to do that, regardless of the request in

hand which indicated the degree of concern that they were going to come under attack. and it's -- it's looking at these memos that is -- that is so compelling, and forcing to us ask, what is the -- what's wrong with the culture of the department of state. they would accept free assets. not a budget problem. they have the resources if they would provide defense on their own. the point was, they made the decision not to do it. why i do not know. and we intend to find out. because this is going to continue to be an ongoing question. as are embassies come under attack in north africa and around the world. al qaeda is targeting. >> fascinating to see what will come out of hearing. congressman royce, thank you for your time. >> appreciate it. >> talking about the housing market. good news from christine romans. gloom and doom over the past few years on this.

what does it mean on the overall recovery? we're live in davos with what economists saying about that. that ahead.

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chris frates joins us, connie mack from the great state of florida. your wife broke her wrist, wow. >> skiing in colorado. >> goodness. tell her we hope she is on the mend and fast. we'll talk about some powerful and happy statistics on home sales. christine romans, only been giving bad news about this. >> been giving you good news. >> now good news. and poppy harlow also with insig insight. >> home sales, five-year highs. up nearly 13% from a year ago. home sales up and home prices are up. a bad five years. don't get me wrong, but finally coming out of the darkness. the chief economist at zillow says the recovery is real. >> the worst is behind us. after housing recessions, five years in many parts of the country, finally the first full year of home value appreciation. values up 6% from last december

2011. and we expect pretty robust 2013 as well. half that, 3.3% appreciation over the next year. >> see? that means more home price gains if i had a romans numeral for you. it would be lxxiii days, 73 days. how long the average home sits on the market. that is better than the 90 days it has been. >> let's get to poppy harlow in switzerland. have you been talking to rabini about the recovery. >> his opinion is so important. this guy is nicknamed dr. doom. he called the housing crisis the bust before anyone else. yes, he sees improvement in the housing market. happy about that, but he's -- a lot more bearish than most are. he thinks we will only see 10% to 15% growth in terms of

investment real estate in the u.s. this year and for the foreseeable future. two reasons why. first of all, persistently high unemployment in this country. housing will be the biggest purchase. harder to get mortgages. when you look at the broad scheme of economic growths in the united states, housing improvements meant helps, but it's spare change overall, big outlook of the global economy, the u.s. and pacific, here is what he said. >> the growth of the global economy, 3%, but the average of emerging markets, close to trend, 5%, and while advance economies are going to be growing barely 1%. and with an advanced economies, the euro zone, mostly in recession, uk is borderline recession, and even the united states, compared to other advanced economies growing in my rue is going to grow another

year, a trend of 1.6%, 1.7%. keeps unemployment rate very high. >> reporter: and that's important. rate of growth, keeps unemployment very high in this country. key to all of that is some sort of grand bargain, grand deal in washington. not expecting that any time soon. outlook for housing improvement. but not as much as i think all of us would like to see. soledad. >> great, poppy. thanks for that. ahead on "starting point." vice president biden begins his next four years, he reflects on his past term and his a-ha moment and why he decided to take on the nra. she dated lance armstrong for years. sheryl crow is talking about armstrong's confession that, in fact, he did dope. and new pictures of an aftermath of a major fire in chicago. look at that building encased in ice. back in a moment. twins. i didn't see them coming.

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welcome back, everybody. in a few moments, we'll take a look at gloria boerger's exclusive interview with vice president joe biden. and kimora lee simmons joins us, to talk about her new reality show, "house of fab." from the upper midwest to the mid-atlantic to new england, we are seeing and feeling -- i mean really feeling -- the coldest temperatures we've seen in two years. feels like single digits in washington, d.c. near zero in new york city and well below zero in fargo north dakota. arctic blast is blamed for at least four deaths so far. take a look at these images. more than 300 firefighter has to deal with the temperature of 7 degrees as they battled this raging warehouse fire on the south side of chicago. five-alarm blaze spread from one

building to another. it took two hours to get under control. and you have to take a look at it right now. that's not it. it is better than the black. what happened, it was covered in ice. there it is. it looks like an ice castle. the water they used to put it up simply froze overnight in the freezing cold temperatures, amazing pictures. new details in the case of the new mexico teenager accused of murdering his family, including young brothers and sisters. he told investigators he wanted to go on a shooting spree at walmart and die in a shoot-out with police. nehemiah griego was arrested after the bodies of his family were found in their home. he was frustrated with his mother. >> nehemiah had been contemplating this for some time. the information that nehemiah had contemplated going to a local walmart and participating

in another shooting there, is accurate. >> griego used a ..22-caliber rifle and an ar-15 semi automatic rifle in the killings. he will be tried as an adult. she hasn't spoken out until now. sheryl crow tells "entertainment tonight," she is glad he confessed to doping. >> the truth would always set you free. and to carry a weight like that in the long run would be devastating in the long run. >> crow only saw bits and pieces of the interview. karl burne carol burnett sa giving birth is like taking your bottom lip and pulling it over your head. >> it hurts worse than that. >> now there is a way for men to experience the alleged pain that women go through. this show called "guinea pigs"

simulating childbirth with guys. adhesive pads deliver shocks in-to-their midsection to simulate labor pains. the reaction speaks for themselves. >> who needs to go through this? >> please. the human race would die out if you all had to go through that, seriously. >> oh, oh, see how it is? >> exactly how it is. >> that's how it is? that's fine. that's just cold. >> it is. let's talk about vice president joe biden. funny, he was really everywhere during monday's inauguration festivities, waving, smiling, shaking hands, almost like he was running for office or something. >> oh, he is. >> exclusive interview he talks about 2016. hmm. and about his a-ha moment when he discovered he liked being vice president. here is the report. >> reporter: just days ago, i met with joe biden to talk about his last four years as the

president's right hand man and his adjustment to the job. >> if there was an a-ha moment, whether the job was worth it? when he asked me to coordinate iraq policy to end the war in iraq, early on in the administration. >> reporter: it was december 2011. biden traveled to baghdad with a message from the president. >> on behalf of president obama -- i was able to say to the american troops assembled, ladies and gentlemen, you are dismissed, and like all americans are you going home with nothing but your pride and a knowledge of a job well done. got off the stage, a moving moment for me. went back, picked up the phone. i have been kidding whether this job is worth it. thank you. thank you for asking me to do this job. this made it all worth it. >> reporter: the job has had its ups and downs, biden's infamous candor made him a punchline, even for the president.

>> i say settle donwn, joe. i am trying to run a cabinet here. >> reporter: as much as the president doesn't like the drama, joe biden thrives on it. 40 years in this town. one of the reasons he is taking on the nra. >> i passed the assault weapons ban. >> reporter: more than 20 years ago. >> and the biden crime bill had a life span of ten years and had to be renewed during the bush administration, there was no desire in 2004 to renew it. but that doesn't mean there is still not a consensus for the bulk of what we're proposing. >> can you guarantee that the president will sign some form of major gun legislation? >> look, i can't guarantee anything that congress is going to do. you know that. but i can guarantee you, the president and i are absolutely

committed to take this fight to the american people for a rational, gun safety policy in america. >> reporter: and he is smack in the middle of the fiscal fight. cut the deal to avoid the nose dive off the fiscal cliff. now he's ready for round two, and predicts republicans will be different. >> they have finally figured it out. all this bluster about you will renege on the debt. they will not. but they are more responsible people in that party than irresponsible people. it is not going to happen. will there be a fight how we finish off what we started to do? a grand bargain? we said from the beginning, a balance here. the american people get this. this is not that complicated. politically, it's complicated, but not mathmathematically. we ought to be able to finish the grand bargain to get us to the point -- i sound like an economist here -- where debt to

gdp is about 3% with that happens, the economy grows. >> reporter: where does biden go next? four more years, you made it clear are you considering a presidential bid of your own. any reason you wouldn't run? >> oh, there is a whole lot of reasons why i wouldn't run. i haven't made that decision, and i don't have to make it for a while. in the meantime, one thing i know i have to do, no matter what i do. i have to help this president move this country to the next stage. we're out of the god awful situation we were the first time we were sworn in. al qaeda on the ascendency, the economy in the tank, and beyond that. now i've never been more optimistic in my life. we're in a position where we can be to the point where we can bring the debt under control of sound financial policy. energy independence in a way i

never thought of before, respected by the world again like we haven't been for the past 20 years. >> ready to run against hillary clinton. >> look, i made that judgment and hillary hasn't made that judgment. but everything that should be done over the next two years, that i should be part of, would have to be done whether i run or i don't run. if this administration is successful, whoever is running as a democrat is bettin a bette position to win. >> interesting to see joe biden clearly, like setting it up for the 2016 run. >> it's a huge -- >> a huge contrast between him and president obama when it comes to loving politics. this guy works the rope line, the photos. he truly loves that aspect of politics. >> a guy trying to set a marker, i'm getting done.

the guy the president goes toto get it done. i can work with republicans, make government work. and when you look at a guy like joe biden in four years, that's a good record to run on. >> gop want to run against joe biden? would you say, great, he's running for the presidency? >> part of you that says, yeah, we want to hear what he has to say, when he opens his mouth, sometimes something comes out you don't expect, that he doesn't expect, and that makes it fun. >> look what he did this week. spoke to an iowa group during the inauguration weekend. who did he invite? the new hampshire governor. >> soledad, i was at naacp convention in houston when he spoke. and folks can get mad all they want to. but i'm telling you right now, he gave a more fired up speech that rocked that crowd that even president obama has. he lit that place up. >> he is definitely a performer. loves to be in front of the

issues. fun to watch. >> interesting to see if that performance aspect and authenticity, does that translate to 2016? hard to believe we are only a couple of days into the new inauguration. >> don't forget all of the dentists that love him. the nra launches an attack on president obama, accusing him of substituting his beliefs for principles of the constitution. that state ahead. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans...

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federal list on gun owners. to either tax them or take them. >> yeah! >> the only reason. >> la pierre went on to criticize the president's inaugural speech, saying parts of it were an attack on the nra and second amendment. there was really no mention i thought in the speech of gun control. he referenced newtown. >> named the town and the country, clear what he was talking about. >> to say that's an attack on the second amendment and nra, it seems like it's taking it a step further. >> taking such a hard line. each speech from the outset of you should have guns in schools that will protect your children, to now talking about this idea that it's an attack to have a background check or have a federal gun registry list and it doesn't give the nra room to move. doesn't give them ability to say -- to say yes to something, and it is i think for most

americans, a very, very difficult place to get behind. you know, everybody saying gun control -- in some way, something should happen. nra says no to everything. >> playing good cop/bad cop. you see la pierre, and then you see david keane, much more calm. interesting how they are playing it. >> the president says our journey is not complete -- from the inaugural address. our journey is not complete until all of our children know they are cared for and cherished and always safe from harm. it doesn't sound like a rant against the second amendment and the nra. >> maybe not in that speech, but clearly the administration is looking to do what the nra is saying, creating a national registry, and a lot of people and i believe that the government uses that information to intimidate people. you punish law-abiding citizens

and don't get to the heart of the matter. >> hong onang on a second. what evidence is there of that? it seems like a common-sense measure. alex jones on with piers. to find out that guy has 50 guns, makes you stop and thing for a moment. >> we saw a news outlet, blog, post the names of everybody who has a neighblicense to carry a . you know, that's a form of intimidation. and i think it's very important that people understand that these -- the laws that the administration is talking about doing won't stop bad people from getting guns and doing bad things. so you end up punishing law-abiding citizens. >> how is that a punishment? this is what i -- i grew up with guns in my house. so i'm not particularly afraid

of guns, but i have kids. so i wouldn't keep guns around my kids. i think i have a relatively rational middle of the road take on it. i don't understanding who is buying ammunition, who is buying an ar-15 if that's a punishment? if you are a law-abiding citizen, why is that a bad thing? >> it's a punishment that the government uses it as a form of intimidation. >> how? >> the government, this is the first step, roland, that the obama administration wants to do. they want to go much farther than this, and there are a lot of people, including myself, that doesn't believe that the federal government should have this type of registry. >> state governments, if you want to conceal a handgun, you have to apply for it. that's a public record. that particular document there. and this is the argument that the nra makes. let's not do any one step, because that could be the first step that leads to this, as opposed to saying, wait a

minute, is this a logical first step and if someone wants to go further, we'll fight that. but trying to stop it before it even frankly -- >> i don't understand how it's intimidation. >> i would say the first steps have already been taken this is a continuation of those . >> are you a gun owner? >> i do. >> do you feel like now that people know you have a shotgun. >> if they publish my name and put is on a website, my home address, and a picture of my house, i would feel that's nobody elses business. i don't believe that the federal should keep these types of records on citizens. i don't trust that the federal government owning and keeping that type of information. >> should there be any kinds of

regulations in terms of guns in what do we do to prevent what we have seen happen. >> my point is this, and i have said it many times. bad people are going to do bad things. you cannot pass a law that's going to stop them from doing bad things. say we did something. but all of us though, sitting around the table watching the show, that you continue legislate morality. >> i wonder if there is a middle ground where people who feel far on this side, and far on that side -- i'm sure there is a middle ground. >> there is a middle ground, yes. >> we're going to talk a little about some really light news,

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welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning. freezing temperatures gripping much of the country right now even causing entire buildings to freeze over. some say the worst is yet to come. plus it's the testimony that many have been waiting to hear in just an hour. the secretary of clinton hillary clinton will testify on the attack in benghazi. why getting a good night sleep could be good for your career. >> and a mystery disease found in the brains of dead nfl players. how doctors may be able to detect is sooner. >> this morning we'll talk to jason chaffetz, wolf blitzer, dr. sanjay gupta, and peter yost will take us in the world of

unmanned drones. "starting point" begins right now. >> we have roland martin with us. chris brinks is back. connie mac, and john berman sticks around with us as well. our "starting point" this morning. first, we want to talk about secretary of state hillary clinton, she is fating a grilling in about an hour now talking about those security issues in benghazi. jill, good morning to you, what questions are expected, and what do you think is still unanswered

that people want to hear? >> i think one of the most recent ones, one of the new ones is a cable that shows that ambassador stevens, who was of course one of the four killed, urged at one point they move that mission, where he died, move it closer to the cia annex in benghazi, or another location for more security. but that was turned down. we're also told there were other cables, but i think they're going to want to know what cretary clinton herself was do. she was here in dc when it happened. where, exactly was she, what conversations was she involved in, and what did she do specifically. and then i think you have to talk about those talking

poinltts that come up more and more, like susan rice going on tv, why didn't secretary clinton go on tv, many questions like that. >> thanks, jill. let's get to some of those questions, jason caffetz, good to have you. let's get right to talking about what you would like to hear if you were in a position to grill the secretary of state, you have been pushing for answers on benghazi for some time, what do you think is left to hear? >> our consulate was bombed in april of 2011, and in june 2011, what did the state department do about that? so what did they do knowing there were security attacks, and that the ambassador himself, the

regional security officer was asking for our help, and they died. and she was the one that famously ran the add against 3:00, the attack comes, what will he do? they were both on watch that might, an an ambassador was missing for something like seven hours with no assets brought in to try to relieve the attack. after the attack, why was the american public and the world misled for so long about a video that the accountability review board said had nothing to do with the attack itself. >> they also said that no individual u.s. employee engaged in misconduct or ignored his or her responsibilities. no reason to find that a individual -- they weighed in and said listen, nothing was done willfully, and no one

should be disciplined. >> yes, an internal review, didn't even interview secretary clinton. why is it the person in charm was not asked a question about this board. and they took 60 days, what in the world is going on at the state department -- >> but she already said this, right? i'm the head of the department and i take responsibility. i'll play that clip for you. >> i take responsibility, i'm in charge of the state department, 60,000 plus people, 275 posts, the president and the vice president certainly wouldn't be knowledgeable about speesk decisions made by security professionals. >> that doesn't go far enough

for you? >> when your concentrasulate isd twice? i think he should know in minutes. and to say it was decisions made by security personnel is false. they repeatedly asked for more assets that would not even cost the state department anything to implement. >> some people don't expect that she will be grilled because of the amount of respect that people who would be on this panel would bring, and i think her reputation, do you think that's a fair assessment? >> she's held in high esteem. she's cleverly been able to limit her time to 90 minutes, we have a great deal of respect for her. we have thousands of people

serving overseas, this push to normalize as soon as possible, saying al qaeda was on the run is not true, and moving forward we didn't involve these problems. >> can i ask you about a quick question on raising the debt ceiling for three months without the corresponding budget cuts, is that something you support? >> yes, i'm saying yes i would vote for it, but what i want to do is i want a solution. we need the senate to do it's job. they have to pass a budget in this country so we can get to reconciliation and work our differences out. >> thanks for being with us, it's nice to see you. >> ahead this morning, we're going to talk about secretary clinton's testimony.

there's a lot of things that have not been answered. >> she took responsibility, but that doesn't wipe away the fact it happened. it's a cover up -- >> cover up is a strong word. >> there has been a lot of dancing around the issue. >> ambassador rice was getting the kind of questions that frankly only secretary clinton can be answers. >> we have coverage of the testimony with wolf blitzer. it is a bitter, blistery, and deadly cold snap. in chicago, more than 300 firefighters had to fight a

warehouse fire in single digit temperatures. the building, this morning, is covered in ice. jennifer del gotta is in our weather center. >> firefighters in chicago have a really tough job there. right now it feels like three degrees. imagine trying to tackle that fire. we talk about the conditions out there, we're still looking at windchill readings near minus ten and minus 17. it feels like minus 25 in minnesota, it is going to last until tomorrow, and we're seeing it spread into parts of new england. it's going to field like minus

30 to minus 40 in vermont, maine, and new york. high temperatures will struggle to make it above freezing. it's going to stay cold all the way through the weekend. temperatures about ten to 20 degrees below average. dangerously cold out there. bundle up if you're heading out the door. ten minutes after the hour, classes resume today after another shooting at a college campus. a 22-year-old man is faces aggravated assault charges. he was wounded in the attack and is hospitalized this morning. students explain a scene of utter chaos. >> all of the sudden i heard firing and people were rushing in the hallways, and a few students started seeking

shelter. >> two other men were shot including a maintenance worker described as an innocent bystander. the house says they have the votes to pass a short-term debt ceiling increase today. it would allow the u.s. to keep borrowing money to pay it's bills for the next three months. in exchange, they're calling on the senate to pass a budget by spring. the big question everyone is asking today, did she or did she. the marine ce -- corps band is

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welcome back, the sundance film festival as some controversy, they are a little too sexy. >> reporter: i have to tell you, that is an under statement calling it too sexy, people are saying too much sex in the films at sundance. i wanted share really big news. there is a coming of age comedy that was sold, it's compared to "little miss sunshine." two writers won for "the descendents" last year. but that film really flew under

the radar because some of the graphic actual conduct. >> it's causing a lot of controversy at sundance. >> one of the most buzzed about films here, the necessary death of charlie countryman talks about a young man adrift looking for meaning in his life. he falls in love with a dangerous young woman. and it's been called the edge of softcore porn. >> i think that's ridiculous. >> no, it's love making, they're in love. weir not doing anything risque. >> i think it's as much as communication with words. >> actor and director james franco is exploring provocative

themes. and there's a role about linda lovelace. >> and then there is kill -- "kill your darlings." and it's a movie about homicide. some argue it's too much sex at sundance and too explicit, but robert reddford says it's all part of an evolution. >> it's not sex per se, it's about relations and how they have changed. >> pornography inspires actual thought with no artistic.

>> you know that daniel radcliffe film we mentioned, it just debuted here, and it was picked up by sony pictures classices. there is an extremely graphic gay sex scene in there, and he said what's the big deal? pretty graphic. >> thank you, do you think it's not sex per se is the new "i only do nude scenes if it's artistically relevant." >> it's amazing how people get

freaked out about sex in this country. stop being so stuffy. how many kids do you have? >> thank you, john how many kids do you have? >> and with that -- and with that, i'm going to take the show back if i can and move on. turning to sleeping your way to the top. catch up on your zs, why getting cleep is good for your career.

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welcome back to "the starting point." the dow and the s&p 500 both closing the the highest levels since test 2007. markets gets a boost from high corporate earnings.

the chief economist at zillow says this -- mortgage rates are expected to stay below 3% for the first half of the year. look at the 15-year. and homes for sale are not languishing quite so long on the market. it takes about 70 days to find a buyer. okay, this is a whole new take on sleeping your way to the top. people who get more sleep get ahead at work. more sleep is good for your career. the cdc says about 40 million workers, 30% of us, don't get enough sleep. that costs companies $636 billion a year. not because you stay home, but

because you go to work and you're horrible. they're pushing healthier sleep habi habits. we come to work, and you know what we surf more than we should because we're out of it -- >> wait, is it my turn to talk, and people fall asleep in meetings. >> because they're horrible meetings. >> but you know the stress hormone is correlated to how much you sleep. i think it also makes people unhealthier. if you don't have to get up at 3:00 in the morning -- yes, i'm a little grumpy. >> i'm telling you all to go home and go to sleep more. >> you say sleep more, i say

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good morning and welcome back. this morning we're talking about a possible medical breakthrough that could help injured nfl athletes. that's with sanjay gupta straight ahead. and wolf blitzer will join us

live with a preview hillary clinton's testimony about benghazi. bitter cold temperatures today. the coldest so far this winter, and in some places the coldest temperatures in two years. it feels like single digits, ale well below zero in fargo, north dakota. more than 300 chicago firefighters had to battle the elements on the city's outside. a fire broke out and then spread to another building on south ashland. this is what the building looks like this morning, it's covered in ice, amazing.

general john allen cleared of e-mails that he wrote inappropriate e-mails to jill kelly. she is the woman who claimed she was threatened by paula brodwell. she says she's upset with the media's handling of the story. he says we have experienced how careless handling of our information by law enforcement and irresponsible news headlines endanger citizen's privacy. and the first comments on corey booker running for his seat. lautenberg is staying busy talking about spanking, and

making it illegal to manufacture or sell a magazine that holds more than ten rounds of am in addition. serena williams was a lot of people's favorite to win it all, she took it out on her racket there. the permanent that beat her took it in three sets, there is the broken racket again. serena says it made her feel better. >> of course. >> i was live tweeting that match, serena had ankle injuries and back spasms, and the girl that beat her is the first american younger than her to beat her. a lot of people think she is the future of american tennis. >> the top rated junior in the

country. well, the disease that most likely played a role in the death of nfl great junior seau, and others, it's called cte, it's difficult to define because they have not seen it in a living person. here is dr. sanjay gupta. >> when he was a back up in the nfl, wayne was lucky to throw a pass or call a play. excement for one game, one concussion in 1972. >> i went down in a slump because i didn't know where i was. >> he spent several bleary hours confused. somewhere every new mexico i

came aware of what was going on again. >> his brain was rattled. it only happened once in his fife year career. that's what makes his brain to interesting and complexes. he has an abnormal protein in his brain. if it sounds familiar, it's because it has been found in the brains of several nfl players. they all had serious emotional and cognitive problems and we eventually committed suicide. here is a normal brain can, and here are ones of nfl players. cte in it's most severe cases has memory problems, depression,

and anger. they're not looking just whether or not it is present, but if it's in parts of the brain responsible for those emotions. >> dr. gary small says he was surprised to find it in the brains of all five players in the study. until now, it could only be seen by pathologists after death. >> they have been seeing these little deposits, and we could see the same pattern. >> sanjay, if you're a living person who then they find the marker in, what do you do with that information? >> it's a good question, and this is in part our customers medicine moves forward. sometimes the diagnosis comes faster than the treatment, but you learn more about the disease. this is a small study that needs to be reproduced, but if you learn more, you could diagnosis it earlier and treat it earlier.

>> are there any possible therapies that are being worked on that could be on the horizon? >> when you talk to guys like gary small, he is an alzheimer researcher, ain't -- anti-inflammatories, slowing down progression, could it also be applied to cte. but he said you are cognitively normal, but when you probe other symptoms, he may have early cte. >> how long before anything who potentially could have a concussion could get that kind of scan, because obviously right now you say is a small study and it's limited to a small number of people. >> the technology is already there, these types of scans, and they inject a particular marker

into the body to mark for this protein. it can be done now, but the question is what does it really mean and what do you do with it. people will want to know the answers before it is offered wide scale. and how young. i have seen this in players as young as 17 years old. >> what do you do with it is the big question, right? thanks, sanjay. ahead, hillary clinton is in the hot seat, what we can expect from her testimony from capitol hill. wolf blitzer will join us next. we're going to talk to a filmmaker that got unprecedented access to robotic planes. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib:

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just about 15 minutes away from hillary clinton testifying before committees in the house and senate talking about what happened in that dead aassault on the embassy in benghazi. dana bash is our chief congressional correspondent with us as well. wolf, i'll start with you, give us a sense of what you think the tone will be. connie mack saying he thinks she has a ton of respect and no one will be playing gotcha. >> i think it will be respectful, it's only supposed to go on for 90 minutes starting

at the top of the hour, and later this afternoon, 90 minutes, so it will be limited in time, she's highly respected, and she's coming after a very serious illness, a concussion followed by a blood clot in her head. she's wrapping up her tenure. so there are serious question that's will be reviewed. >> she's done that before, right? >> she'll do it again today. >> so to some degree, because she has done it before, what else do you think they need to or want to hear from her? >> she didn't herself testify before that accountability review board. they're going to want to hear her side of the story. where was she, why didn't she go on the sunday talk shows, why did she delegate susan rice who has no responsibility for d

diplomatic security around the world. >> dana, you know we talked to jason chaffetz this morning, and he said about that accountability review board that he had questions about their findings. here is what he said. >> i thought it was interesting that an internal review board did not even interview secretary clinton. why was she not even asked a question by this board? >> how much of this conversation is going to center on some of those findings in the accountability review board in their findings didn't really point the finger, at the end of the day, at a individual. >> i think there will be a lot of discussion on that, some democrats and republicans want to know if it was a sufficient review. they did have some recommendations for changes.

this is going to start in about 15 minutes, and there are already 20 photographers in the room waiting for hillary clinton. and this is a room generally reserved for big events, supreme court nominations and things like that. so it gives you a sense of how these senators are really greeting and viewing this, what is effectively, an important hearing on an issue, but also an exist interview for someone who is the secretary of state and a former senator herself. >> this is the last time we will see mrs. clinton in public for a long time publicly. she said she's going to be quiet for awhile, how do you think it affects the delicacy. >> very much so, this is the lasting content of what people will remember. i found out from a house republican source, not from this

committee hearing, but the one this afternoon, that the chairman who you interviewed told republican members of the committee that they have to be respectful. it's something he explicitly told them. they genuinely on both sides really do respect her, but you have seen these hearings. the newer members like to show their stuff to get on television. >> it was interesting in talking to congress nan chaffetz who will not be part of the questioning, but she talked when she was running for president that the phone rings at 3:30, and it did ring, and i thought he was eluding to 2016. what she says today could be very important down the road, right? >> yes, the way she handles

herself today will be significant. we don't know if she will run in 2016. i think she may go through a long period of rest, speak, do some good deeds, but i think she is still interested in being the first woman president of the united states. unless she doesn't do a good job today in the final exit interview, 90 minutes before the senate and the house will be very important. really it will be her last official substantive responsibility as a secretary of state, john kerry, who is recusing himself. he has his own confirmation hearings tomorrow. he will not be participating today, he will be grilled and questioned tomorrow. so, this will be an opportunity

for her to leave on a high note, if you will, and knowing her for 20 years, i think she will do a very impressive job. >> wolf, isn't it also important that she establish clarity? the last thing the administration wants is for there to be more questions, did she answer everything, she must be as clear as possible on everything that happened. >> yes, she is a lawyer, a former senator, former first lady, seblg tear of state, extremely smart. she always goes in very well prepared. she has her answers, i don't think she is going to be surprised. i think she will probably be very impressive, and given the health problems she had in recent week that's were very serious, i think she will leave the office on a high note. that's just my sense. >> it will be interesting to watch this testimony, wolf and

dana. wolf is back in about 13 minutes after "starting point" finishes. he has live coverage of the secretary's testimony. up next, a rare look at the technology behind drones. we know they have been used by the military, police, and also by real estate agents. ♪

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welcome back, everybody, a nova special takes a look at the evolution and the power behind drones. they are being used increasingly as a surveillance tool here in the united states. >> a revolution is under way as manned planes are being replaced by drones. it is a time when machines fly, and think, on their own. peter yost joins us to talk about it. we usually think about international conflict, a drone

can keep american servicemen and women out of harm's way. >> we have been using them in many ways for many decades. in world war two, we were flying via remote control. pilots would sometimes bailout and jump out. there is footage of this in the film that is rare and amazing. >> but it's, not scarred, but unnerving. >> i would say scary. the idea that you have a drone flying overhead watching you, taping you, following you, i think this goes to the larger issue of privacy. >> what's the use of domestic drones? >> right now it's playing out as we speak. the technology somebody in the film mentions is essentially where it was with manned planes

right after world war i. we're really on a the ground floor. so it will have little to no relevance three, five, ten years in the future. there are little drones that can purchased at a hobby store, and anybody can build them and fly them and stream back to an iphone. the technology is becomes ever more sophisticated every day. >> who will be governing the use. you have air traffic. i mean, all of a sudden, if you look up and you have private and governmental folks with drones, who is determining what happens in the air? >> this will be playing out, it's an faa regulation, and there's a distinction between

people who use these things for fun, and that's essentially unregulated. and then there is a question if you want to use it for commercial purposes. you know, then that's going to be faa regulation, and that's coming online. they already kicked the can down the road a little bit. in the future, it will be the near future. >> there have been cases where realize agents have used drones. why, i guess, and is that legal? >> it's of marginal legality. you move into a regulated zone when you're doing it for congress. if you're doing it and selling the property, it becomes very sketchy. >> if you think about it, it's essentially like having a free or cheap helicopter at your

disposal. so for journalist, it's a tool, paparazzi, or if you want to see your neighbor in a bikini. there is some extreme animal activist that travel the country with cameras trying to catch nefarious acts of people abusing animals. and so they made drones that streamed back, and hunters see things they don't like, what do they do? so of course they shot down the drone. so the hunters -- in the film, we have footage, and i think it's quite substantiated, it was

the first ever domestic shooting down of a drone. >> at the end of the day, do you have the right to shoot one down that's flying over your property. >> do you have the right to fly it over my property? >> i think it's a frontier on privacy rights. a number of experts point out that if you have a cell phone, you're carrying a tracking device. >> peter yost, nice to have you this morning, we appreciate it. >> we're just a couple minutes away from the start of the benghazi hearing.

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