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hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield, this is the most delicate demolition you'll ever see. a big crane with a long reach brings down a house that covers a deadly sinkhole. our live cameras are watching it as it unfold, all the while trying to salvage the contents of this home. jodi arias's lawyer tries to salvage a shaking defense after whithering cross-examination. martha stewart is back in the legal suit over pennies, the retail change that is, but the dollars at stake are simply huge. we begin this hour in the brittle earth just east of tampa, florida, where jeff bush slid to his death in a sinkhole that opened under his bedroom last thursday night. the body will stay with it is.

the authorities say it is simply too risky and dangerous to try to find and recover him. they are, however, taking great pains to recover some of the most cherished belongings of the family that lived in this house for 40 years. today jeremy bush, jeff's brother is grateful but also a little angry. >> they said the ground is too unstable to do anything but they got all of this heavy equipment on there, pulling stuff out and everybody is cheering for everything coming out of the house. i've had enough of the cheering of the memories out of the house. let's try to get my brother out. that's what i want. >> jeremy bush followed his brother's screams and jumped into the sinkhole trying to save him, but then needed to be rescued from it himself. our cnn's george howell is live on the scene watching as this house comes down. it's painstaking and piece by piece. george, do we even see evidence of that sinkhole that's inside

yet? >> reporter: ashleigh, we do. let me show you where. right now you can see where the arm, the 80-foot arm of the track is situated. we've seen that arm go down into what seemed to be the cav earn. maybe we'll see this in a moment. they are trying to make sure they prevent any new debris from going into that hole. they send that arm down and pick up any new debris and bring it back. again, it was quite interesting, quite incredible quite frankly to see that arm go so far and from what we know, it could be 50 feet deep or 20 to 30 foot wide. it's a big cavern. the question is what is that foundation standing on? there's a concern that the foundation itself could collapse into the hole. you do find as you mentioned, a delicate process to remove the debris. >> it's hard to believe that they can't recover the body.

how precarious is the earth? i'm thinking about the homes on either side of this home or entire neighborhood. how bad is this? >> well, put it this way, there have been helicopters overhead and we learned just today there was a restriction for helicopters because they didn't want the helicopters to vibrate the ground. they were concerned that could make the hole open even more. the land we're looking at over here, they are even concerned about that track hoe where it is, it's a delicate operation. and in some cases they have crews tethered to make sure nothing happens if the ground gives. >> unbelievable, george howell, thanks and keep us posted on the progress they are making. it's really awful and terribly sad for the family. stock prices headed in the wrong direction after the opening bell. this following china and europe's lead. i want to take you straight to alison kosik. is this worries about global

growth, putting the talk of the record -- i thought we would hit it by today. >> so much for the dow record for the moment. one trader puts it this way telling me the market is kind of tired at this point. you look at the movement hire that happened last week. it wasn't really strong or robust. taking some of the wind out of the dow's sails at this point is china. china is putting the brakes on its overheating housing market. trying to keep a bubble from forming in the housing market as the prices continue to go up. the government is instituting bigger restrictions on home buying and higher loan rates and that stifles growth in a product that happens to be a trade partner. those rogue concerns are weighing on stocks today. the forced spending cuts is having an impact today. all of that had a chance to marinade over the weekend for investors. now you're seeing a little bit

of that happen on the screen, seeing some of that red because the realization is hitting that unless these cuts are reversed, you're probably going to see an impact on economic growth in the u.s. the congressional budget office has come out at least a couple of times saying if the cuts are in place all year, it will reduce economic growth here in the u.s. by more than a half a percent. that's pretty hard because the economy, it's already barely growing. we got the number for the last three months of last year showing that growth, economic growth was only .1%. that's barely positive. it's a big reason why taking a bite of economic growth is that hundreds of thousands of workers have to go on unpaid leave as well. the furloughs will impact the economy and the job market which is stagnating itself. ashleigh. >> i keep hearing this, this is nothing else, that's why the stocks are supposed to keep going up today. thank you.

we have got video, well, well, well, look who's back? it's none other than casey anthony. look at the swell of press and photographers and cameras around her. this is her arriving in court. this time it's bankruptcy court, not a death penalty trial and it's in tampa. this just happened moments ago, her first public appearance since 2011. according to our affiliate, central florida news 13, she's $800,000 in liabilities, what you would call a bad balance sheet. the court papers list her as unemployed with no recent income. may i remind you some of the hidest bidding was said to be upwards of several million dollars for the first interview but she hasn't given that big payout interview, perhaps the bankruptcy proceedings may precede any big payout like that. that is the first sign of a woman who captured our attention during her death penalty trial.

she was of course acquitted. several of the other charges she actually certained time for were overturned and she's also been known as one of the most hated women in america. there you go. bankruptcy proceeding and the throng of press continues to follow her. as you saw not too long ago, the president naming three people to fill key positions in his administration. ernie moniz and sylvia burwell and gina mccarthy. all of course, still face the senate confirmation. tough day. sorry. in new york, we have a story for you and it is really a tragic ending to something that took a lot of people by surprise this weekend. a horrible hit-and-run case, a baby boy delivered by c-section shortly after his father and mother were killed on they are way to a hospital yesterday. they were in a taxi. the taxi was broadsided by a

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about his new bff, best friend forever, and there he is. north korea's youthful leader kim jong-un. rodman showed up in pyongyang courtside with him during an exhibiting basketball game. rodman said, i love him, the guy is awesome. he returned to the u.s. and had an actual personal appeal from president kim. >> he want obama to do one thing, call him. >> he wants a call from president obama? >> that's right, if you can, dennis, i don't want to do war. he said that to me. >> did you say why don't you pick up the phone and call president obama? >> it's a different story. guess what, the kid is only 28 years old, 28. >> diplomacy can look all sorts of way. he was actually booked to be interviewed by wolf blitzer but mr. rodman has decided to cancel. there's been a lot of criticism over what he's been saying. by the way, he is the latest in

a long list of famous people whose celebrity has been used to give legitimacy to naughty leaders and marquez and fidel castro. and nelly fur tad do was paid to perform for gadhafi's fine but decided not to keep the money. cardinals are not choosing a pope just yet, four days after pope benedict xvi retired. the cardinals are discussing when to start the all important conclave. just yesterday the only british cardinal admitted unspecified sexual misconduct and asked for forgiveness. he had already declined to take part in the conclave. the vatican isn't commenting on

church investigation but does say pope benedict had been informed of cardinal o'brien's transgressionses. queen elizabeth all smiles as she left a hlondon hospital after spending the night for treatment of a stomach bug. she looks pretty darn good. buckingham palace says the queen is in good health. max foster is following the developments in ron dolondon. the queen hadn't been to the hospital in years and her health has been terrific. how bad was it this time she had to be admitted overnight? >> reporter: well, that's one you have to read the ruins on these things. she hasn't been in the hospital for ten years, last time for a knee operation. also combined with this was a fact she canceled a week's worth of visits, with a high profile

visit to rome. that's a really big deal for her, doesn't like to let people down. she's very much about sticking to her public engagements and did cancel a lot of them. she was meant to be in the hospital for a couple of days and left after one day. that does sound positive. we have this odd problem with the statements that are coming out because talking about her having symptoms of gastroenteritis and not saying she actually had it. we don't know exactly what she had but does seem to look fit and well. >> not going to get past royal watchers that there are two living heirs to the throne and third one on the way given technical change-ups in the colonies. is there any talk of the queen stepping down? >> reporter: well, there is talk of it to be honest and certainly stepping back. she is 86 years old and clearly suffering from what would be a minor illness for someone who was younger.

she can't necessarily keep up with all of the engagements she's got. she does absolutely dedicate herself to a public work and wants to do as much as possible. the queen of the netherlands has abdy indicated to her son who is younger and fitter to do the job and the pope resigning, the first one in hundreds of years. people are saying in modern times perhaps a british queen can step down as well. i don't think she'll be entertaining the idea, ashleigh. >> as a canadian born american, it's not just the commonwealth that watches -- i don't know what it is about the royal family but it is a worldwide obsession. max foster. thank you. two giant retailers fighting to sell martha stewart's stuff, it centers on the word exclusive.

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attitudes. have a listen. >> on our part, as professors, presidents of colleges all over and in public schools, we need to get the education of the correct history that happens so that people can say, yes, this really did happen. >> great seeing bill cosby. half a billion dollars, half a billion dollars all for martha stewart pots, pans and sheets and towels. i'm not kidding here. these numbers are incredible. macy's department store and j.c. penney are duking it out over who gets to sell ought of martha stewart's treats. this comes eight years to the day of these pictures, when martha stewart left prison in west virginia after she had been convicted to lying to investigators about selling stock. cnn's business anchor christine romans joins us from new york.

this is -- i have to put it this way. isn't there enough martha to go around? really, they have to have two chains duking it out. she sells so much. >> i'm telling you macy's says that martha stewart stabbed them in the back. terry lund gren has testified in this big case saying we have an exclusive agreement to carry her home goods in the store then went behind our back and she signed a deal with jc penny, our competitor. we heard from terry lundgren and we're going to hear from martha stewart tomorrow. many observers say it's macy's really that after martha stewart eight years ago to the day came out of prison, macy's said, you're going to be rehabilitated and your brand is bigger than exconvict. and this has been a good seller for macy's and martha stewart went and did a deal without telling macy's with j.c. penney to sell her stuff as well and

macy's is saying huh huh, a civil agreement on who can sell the wares. >> do you think we would have a zbremtd like this when it comes down to corporate law? >> no. she peddles perfection and her business dealings are messy. the story is so interesting, her name and brand mean something -- to almost anyone who knows martha stewart, her brand is simple and clean and good lines, right? when you look at the business dealings between macy's, j.c. penney and martha stewart it's not so simle and clean and bright colors -- >> hold that thought for a second. i want to bring in our legal panel because this is like contract law. sunny hostin and randy zellin, shouldn't it state in black and

white whether you can be exclusive? >> the loirsz for martha stewart, she has the best money can buy. she says there's a loophole in contract that someone didn't do their job years ago when this first contract was entered into and there is an exclusion so that she can do this deal j.c. penney bought about 70% of her company. this is a big deal and i can't imagine she went in it blind. this woman is a force to be reccened with, she's smart and savvy business woman -- >> this couldn't have been an accidental deal. randy, i want to hear a comment from martha stewart's company, this is a contractual dispute the contract is written to allow mslo to sell a broad range of products in j.c. penney with no restrictions whatsoever in a mslo store inside j.c. penney. our objective is to bring our products to as many consumer as

possible. randy, i'm going to ask you, i never notice it until someone says it, sometimes there's a store within a store. you've seen the verizon stores and is it about doing that, having a martha stewart store inside a store, which still guarantees the exclusivity to the other guy? >> it's all about real estate. and real estate is not limited to real property. real estate, it's all about getting the name out and being in the store and having the real estate within the store. let me tell you what nobody is really saying here. it's martha stewart and j.c. penney both saying, you know what, we stand to make so much money, a litigation, maybe we lose, maybe we pay lots of fees in lawyers, but we're still going to be so far ahead of the game that it is well worth our while to litigate. >> i honestly was copy editing the billion thinking it couldn't be possibly be half a billion until i realized it totally is

half a billion dollars worth of this deal. thank you all, appreciate that. jodi arias, the woman accused of -- there's no gentle way of putting this, slaughtering her boyfriend. she's back in court today. also back in court, another liar, admitted liars, casey anthony. that's casey anthony peeking out from under the cover of her attorney. she's headed into bankruptcy court. what will this mean for her? 

after 13 grueling days of laying out her side of things and getting grilled by prosecutors an accused murderer named jodi arias gets back on witness stand today. so far she admitted to brutally killing her ex-boyfriend bought her excuse is self-defense. is there anything that comes out of this woman's mouth that anyone can believe? she is a reremarkable liar,

admittedly. she's been telling us different stories about what happened in the mesa apartment. version one, i wasn't there, didn't know anything about it. version two, i see you have evidence against me, okay, i was there but i was attacked in a home invasion, there were two people there and they were debating whether or not to kill me and i escaped with my life. we know none of that is true. she has told us, none of it is true but knowing that she is this master of deception, it's kind of interesting now to watch as she weaves her web of lies, especially to a reporter from cbs's "48 hours" it's nothing short of oscar worthy. have a look. >> they were both taller than me. they were covered, their hands and gloves and long sleeve shirt on, in all black. he was wearing jeans but they had ski masks on. i saw travis was on the floor in his bathroom on all fours and as soon as this guy left, i just got up and charged her.

>> you charged her? >> yeah. and she fell over him. >> did she have a weapon? >> she had a knife in her hand. >> sh he been stabbed? >> i can only assume yes but i didn't see her stabbing him. he had some blood all over the floor and there was some coming down on his arms. and i started to pull on travis, come on -- he kept saying i can't. finally he said i can't feel my legs. >> like i said, it's a little bit fun now to watch as she weaves detail after detail of a complete phantom crime. beth karas and vinnie politan from our sister network on trutv are joining me. you guys have watched from day one as this woman has told lie after lie after lie and it reminds me of casey anthony who is making news today back in court. i'm going to talk about that in a moment. beth, start here. redirect, it's what her defense

attorney gets to do to try to clean up the mess that was left behind by a ruthless prosecutor. can they do it? >> i really don't know, ashleigh, if they can do it. but two things -- three things the defense has to focus on, her allegation that the victim travis, alexander was actually attracted to little boys. and his increased violence against her so she says once she found out that little secret. her defense will fall apart if because -- that's what it hinges on, if he cannot rehabilitate her. because the prosecution has pretty much neutralized it. also, they'll deal with this premeditation, the state said she planned this trip to go and kill him. they brought out new facts on cross-examination and the defense has to deal with her road trip from northern california to mesa, arizona in june of 2008. >> a road trip in which she packed extra gas inside the car

perhaps so she wouldn't have to stop and get identified in the state and turn the license plate upsidedown. vinnie, these are what we call bad facts and you can't change a bad fact. how can you homage nies it, what can he do? >> are you asking me to give advice to the defense here? >> yeah, he needs a lot of advice on this one. >> here's the problem. the problem is that this jury has watched what we just watched, the "48 hours" interview and interrogations, they have seen her lion tape. so now they have to determine whether she's telling the truth or lying in real person. they need some sort of corroborate for all of this. i don't think she can clean up her stories, what she has said. the best opportunity that they have at this point will be the experts who will testify after

her. as they come across as very credible and explain all of this lying and behavior -- >> hope they can. >> points in one way, that's the best chance. the bottom line, you're not believing it, i'm not believing it -- i don't know if beth is believing it either. >> i hope they can do the right thing because everyone deserves a great defense in america -- >> she's getting a great defense. >> the defense attorneys dealing with the hand that was dealt to him. beth i want to switch gears because there is a related story -- since vinnie, you were following this as well. i want to get you on this first, casey anthony went into bankruptcy court, she's one of our best examples of a remarkable liar. she captured the nation, the world's attention because of her remarkable lying, all the way up until her murder trial for the death of her little daughter. but she was acquitted. she didn't take the stand. how is it going to be for jodi arias who had to sit there and

lie or not lie straight to the jury? big difference when you're on stand oo posed to not? >> you can't claim self-defense without testifying. george zimmerman will have to testify in your case. you claim self-defense, there's a videotape or independent witnesses, you have to testify. that's the difference between the two cases here. and there was the forensic evidence that put her there at the time of the killing that was incon electrovertible. >> that's a bad fact too, a bloody palm print there. you've got to cough up in other version. i'm flat out of time. but i have a feeling we'll talk tomorrow about what happens today on the stand. i can't wait. >> absolutely. >> you two, thank you very much. a refusal to perform cpr on a woman who was dying. all of this despite pleas from a 911 operator. it was company policy. can't wait to see what the legal panel has to say about that. we are all reflections of the people who came before us.

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trial resumes today for the man known as the cannibal cop with the defense expecting to begin his case. his attorney argues his online chats and e-mails about kidnapping and raping and cooking and eating women were just fantasy. sick as they are, just fantasies with other people online, note a real plot, not a conspiracy. the prosecutors have one more witness to call today before wrapping up its case. prosecution's attempting to improve that valle, a former new york city police officer and sprters intended to carry out actions and even picked potential targets. doctors are calling it a medical first, a 2-year-old girl in mississippi is the first child to be what's quoted as functionally cured of hiv. a functional cure means the presence of the virus is so small that lifelong treatment is

no longer necessary. that baby was treated aggressively with three drugs all at the same time and all starting at about 30 hours after she was born. was michael jackson's tour promoter responsible for his death? an e-mail described as a smoking gun appears to suggest that the company, aeg live, may have played a bigger role than previously thought. the e-mail was one of the documents just unsealed ahead of next month's trial for wrongful death. it's been filed by michael jackson's children against the concert promoter. the e-mail from aeg to the show's director seems to exert pressure to get jackson to attend rehearsals and states that aeg was paying conrad murray's salary, the doctor, and not michael jackson. jackson died 11 days later of an overdose of the an he is these i can't propofol. they have previously denied that

dr. murray was on its payroll. if someone collapsed right in front of you, would you do anything to try to save that person? there are a lot of people who are very upset with an independent living facility in bakersfield, california that refused to try reviving an 87-year-old resident. no one on the staff was willing to help. just listen to the 911 operator as she pleads with the caller to please do something. >> [ bleep ] is there anybody that works there that's willing to do it? >> we can't do that. >> we're going to let this lady die? >> that's why we're calling 911. >> we can't wait. she can't wait right now. she is stopping breathing. she can't wait for them to get there. >> lorraine bayless was eventually transported to the hospital but she later died. my legal panel joins me now for

more on this. first of all, i think randy, you need to layout what some of the rules and regulations and contracts are at facilities like this. because it make change the dynamic of how people feel about this. >> you need to understand and our audience needs to understand a few things. first of all, a couple of akron nims, dnr, do not res as you say ta tate and advanced cardiolife support, when somebody is in really bad shape and the heart stops and the extraordinary m h measures you have to take to revive them. this was a retirement home and as a condition of residing here, you sign a contract that says in the event you need life support, we're not going to do it. we will call 911. and the residents agreed to this. why? because studies show 5% of elderly patients who need the

acla, advanced cardiolife support don't survive, if they do, they are even worse. this retirement home has a policy, we'll get the hospital but we're not getting involved. if you don't like it, don't come to our facility. >> they agree and they sign and sunny, is the staff, even this staff member who identified herself as a nurse, are they liable for any type of condition that might result of their attempt at cpr or any kind of resuscitative action? meaning they could get in big trouble if they do this and it doesn't go well. >> of course, that's right. but i think at some point, ashleigh, we as human beings have to take off the legal hats. we have to take off the rule hats and we have to put on our humanity hat. you have a woman dying in front of you. as a medical professional, i think you do have a certain duty

of care. if it's not a legal obligation, it's certainly is an ethical obligation. i'm horrified. i had my grandmother pass away last year. thankfully i had her at home with wonderful care at home with me. but i cringe, i'm devastated to think that someone's family member was there within just feet from someone who was medically trained to help them and because of some rule, did nothing. i think if we as a society are there and if the law protects us in that way, it's just a sad, sad day, isn't it? >> it feels very sad and you're right, the moral obligation alone especially for someone who is a nurse to kick in, i'll say this, the woman who died, her daughter is also a nurse and told our affiliate that she was -- kget, that was satisfied with the care of her mother at the glenwood gardens and there's that and also in light of this

incident, in the event of a health emergency at this independent living community, our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. that is the protocol we followed. so, there you have it. >> they need to revisit the protocol. >> i think you're right. >> i think everybody who signs on to living in an independent living facility needs to read all of the print before they sign as do family members as well, sunny and randy, thank you. an openly gay african-american running for mayor in mississippi found dead. is this a hate crime? is it a random murder? or is it something else? our legal experts will tackle that next. as in the 37 billion transit fares we help collect each year. no? oh, right. you're thinking of the 1.6 million daily customer care interactions xerox handles. or the 900 million health insurance claims we process.

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charged with murder in this case, it is a strange case without question, our legal team joins us now. sunny hostin and defense attorney randy zelin. normally we have the facts of the case, the science of the case when a charge has been l y levied, but we have two completely different stories. one who indicate a hate crime and the other wouldn't. what do you think is going on here? >> i think that the investigation, the criminal investigation clearly is ongoing. i think that you have a family in mourning getting information probably from the medical examiner and coroner's office as well. i suspect that that's where all of this is coming from, this sort of disconnect in the facts. and police officers and prosecutors are really loathed to give out information to the public and even to a family

member when the investigation is ongoing -- >> but these -- details, these are details that launch riots. to have a gay black mayor candidate beaten and dragged and burned -- >> if that's what happened. >> that's what i'm saying, i'm astounded that the authorities wouldn't come out right away and clear the air on this when the medical examiner effectively has. randy, the station in memphis, wpty reports that the person who is arrested lawrence reed, actually had a relationship, that they were boyfriends and that this may be something far closer to a domestic dispute than anything that the family is inferring. how does that play into how you charge? >> it plays in in a few ways. this is a tragedy. you have a very promising young man with you have a very promising young man wa promise fauch, who took

the bold step of saying i'm gay. i'm going to run for elected office and unfortunately, what i think may be going on here, it's one thing to say that someone died as a result of a domestic altercation between two men in a relationship and it's another thing to create this very politically charged, politically motivated headline of hey, openly gay man running for office, beaten, burned -- >> it's huge. >> dragged. we've seen other who foe phobic attacks and unfortunately, i wonder which it is. the fact we have to wonder is scary because the medical examiner is in the best position to get it right because if they have a determined cause of death, they have a body there. they know if it's beaten, burned an drag. >> we have to be so careful here. >> i want to make sure that the

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in philadelphia, jury selection begins today in the so-called house of horrors murder trial. 72-year-old abortion doctor is accused of performing illegal, late term abortions and then murdering the newborns. he's also charged in the death of an adult woman, a patient, who died of anesthesia overdose. the prosecutor says the conditions inside the clinic were so horrible that they defied description. let's bring in sunny hostin again arandy zellen. first of all, what was found in this clinic, bags and bottles of aborted fetusse.

jars of severed feet. let me start with you. this is not a story about abortion because these babies were delivered live and their spines were severed with siz ors. this is a murder case. >> unfortunately, as horrific as the allegations are, and as horrifying, i mean, just horrifying, this case if you're defending this doctor, it's not about murder and it's not about the babies because you have nowhere to go with it. you have to make this case about abortion. this doctor, you have to portray him as a doctor of last resort. these are terrible conditions because this is all i can afford. the women that i was treating, they had no money. they were illegal immigrants, they were women of no means and if not me, then nobody. an abortion is legal in this country, even up to 24 weeks.

late tomorrow abortions are not per se illegal. i didn't commit a murder. i performed that best that i could. >> i, i'm just having trouble with this because some of these babies were six, seven and eight month old fetuses. how did we get beyond these states and their laws, how can you get beyond this? >> well, i think the prosecutors are going to try to get beyond it. i think randy though makes a good point. i think that what the prosecutors will show is that this doctor was not an obgyn. this doctor was not a person trained in providing abortions and that this doctor did not play with within the medically accepted rules. you can't deliver a child and sever their spine with scissors.

that is never part of medical treatment. it's going to be a difficult case, believe it or not. i think randy makes some pretty strong and valid points and those are are the points that -- >> jury selection begins today and we'll see how jurors feel having to look at those body parts in that clinic. thank you. coming up later today, a surrogates unimaginable dilemma. she's offered $10,000 to abort the baby growing inside of her. the story is coming in "the situation room" today at 4:00 p.m. that's all the time i have for you today. thanks for watching. "around the world" is coming up. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. the new ram 1500.