round and around. it has been circling now for almost an hour, almost a full hour. there is no information about who is on board this plane at the moment. but it has been circling there for an hour. it made at least three passes, three passes by the airport, to get a look at its landing gear. the pilot reported a problem with the landing gear deploying. they then went down for a visual check. they took a look at it as close as they could from the air traffic control tower. it looked like the landing gear was off to the side. so they decided that it might have to make an emergency landing. go ahead. >> john, if i can actually interrupt here, we're getting information from the faa saying this is a leer jet 45, reported problems with the landing gear door. at this point, it is possible that they might be troubleshooting. and also trying to come into the airport as normal. that's the latest information from the faa there. reported problems with the landing gear door, which is why we may have seen several different passes at the airport, maybe they're trying different things on that plane to try to get that door fixed, make a safe

a landing as possible here. >> interesting, very interesting. the last pass we saw three wheels down. saw front wheel, it appeared to be down from my eye, also the two wheels on the wings, apparently a problem, tory just reporting here a problem with the landing gear door. they made three passes now to get some kind of visual confirmation about what's going on. they been notified. they may need to make an emergency landing, emergency crews, this st. louis fire department -- there have been landing gear problems. st. louis downtown emergency crews are on the scene right now anticipating the possibility of an emergency landing. can't see the plane in this picture right now. our cameras have been able to pick it up several times as it comes in and attempts the landing. we're following this. until that plane is safely on the ground. it is a leer jet. tory, one more time what kind of jet are we looking at? >> actually, i'm getting new information here as well, the markings on the plane appear to

be those of a c-21 military aircraft and that would be the military variant of a leer jet. again, we don't really have any information as to who is on board this aircraft at this point, just being told by the airport as well as the faa that eight passengers currently on this plane, it is circling over the runways, and the fire department in st. louis is standing by to assist. once that landing happens, we know that this plane has been circling since about 1:00 this afternoon. but as far as the reported problems at this point from the faa, saying it is a leer jet 45, reported problems with the landing gear door, it's possible they're spending this time troubleshooting, which is why we have seen it go by so many different times here. this is an emergency situation as you can tell by just all of the crews on the ground there, preparing for potentially what could be a bad situation or perhaps they troubleshoot this, they fix it and the plane gets on the ground safely. >> you know, it is interesting, you did mention this, the c-21, the military version of this

leer jet aircraft, you could see a star on that plane as it was circling, when it did get into view. can't see it now, obviously. hopefully we'll see it again shortly. this is the st. louis downtown airport, actually in illinois, just across the river from st. louis, missouri, there, all part of a major metropolitan area. i want to bring in my friend and colleague brooke baldwin, following this as well with us. she'll bring us the latest as this plane does attempt to land as many as eight people on board, having trouble with its landing gear. brooke? >> john berman, thanks so much. i'll take it right from here. good afternoon, everyone. i i'm brooke baldwin. let me reset what we're all looking at. these are live pictures of the st. louis downtown airport, to be specific this is cahokia, illinois, across the river from st. louis. i know you don't see a lot right now. these are just sort of different landing strips here as part of this airport, different tarmacs,

what you will see momentarily if this is what i believe this camera crew on this helicopter crew is zooming in on, see the four vehicles, four vehicles, four different ambulances, so the situation right now is that this airport, this leer jet 45, ever since 1:00 eastern time, it has been circling and the issue is it cannot land. there is an issue, according to tory dunnen, we'll bring you in in a moment, our aviation expert, it appears, tory, let me bring you in, are you with me? >> sure, i'm here. >> does it appear that this plane is descending? >> it looks like it is at the moment. but this could be on a delay here. i have to tell you, brooke, we have seen it come in and circle the airport. there are potentially troubleshooting what could be a problem. the faa saying this is a leer jet 45 reported problems with the landing gear door. so it looks like it is coming down right now, descending for

what possibly could be an emergency landing. we do know the control tower at the airport, they have been in communication with the pilot, trying to figure out what the best course of action might be. and, brooke, you mentioned on the tarmac there, there you go, you can see the emergency -- >> preparing for the crash landing scenario. tory, stand by. let me bring in diane earhart. i understand you work there at the airport. as we all sort of watch this unfold live on television, tell me what you know is happening. >> well, we have a leer jet inbound that has a known gear problem. and we're preparing for a possible emergency landing. >> when you say gear problem, can you be more specific? >> i really can't. the pilot was concerned that the nose gear was not down and in its proper position. and that appears to be the case. >> so presumably, as you work at the airport, you're in aviation, as we know this plane has been

circling, making several passes to land. and according to the faa, they have been troubleshooting. can you walk me through as best as you know, diane, sort of the process as you have a plane in crash landing mode, trying to fix whatever is wrong in order to land? >> we hope it is not going to be a crash landing. we never hope for crash landing. it will be an emergency landing. and as he leaves our air space, doing troubleshooting according to his emergency checklist, and making decisions where he's going to get the best service to try and make a landing. and that each emergency is different and it is up to the pilot what he wants to do. >> up to the pilot. do we know, is this a military plane? >> it is definitely a military airplane. >> definitely not a military airplane. eight people according to our affiliates are on board. is that what you're hearing? >> yes. >> is it a government plane? >> no, it is a private airplane. >> why does it keep, then,

diane, going up and down, up and down? >> i can't verify actually that it is going up and down. we have several airplanes that have come and gone at this airport since this started. and including a military c-1 from nearby scott air force base. >> okay. i know you say this is not crash landing mode, and, of course, none of us want to think that way, but obviously given the pictures as we're looking at these ambulances, you know, people on the ground are clearly preparing for something in which an ambulance would be necessary. can you walk me through protocol, just on the ground, on the tarmac, for situations like this. >> well, at any emergency landing, each emergency is different, so there is no set procedure for any emergency. it will depend on what the pilot wants to do, and how the airplane is configured and where the airplane eventually does land. and, of course, the first priority is keeping any

passengers safe. >> keeping any passengers safe. as you mentioned, you made the point several times that really it is up to the pilot, just so i'm hearing you correctly, up to the pilot whether or not he or she chooses to land. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> so if this plane is making several circles as we have been counting perhaps even three in the last hour, who is the pilot communicating with? is it the air traffic controller? walk me through this process. >> the pilot would be talking to the air traffic control tower, and the pilot -- the pilot's intentions, the tower will do whatever he or she wants done. >> tell me about -- you're there, this is cahokia, illinois. tell me about the area what is beyond the tarmacs we're looking at. >> well, very close to st. louis metropolitan area, of course, a mile from the gateway arch. and this is just across the

mississippi river in the st. louis area. >> okay. and the trees beyond, is it a fairly rural area in the immediate vicinity from some of these -- the tarmac there? >> no, this is -- this is residential. >> residential. okay. okay, diane earhart, i'm going to let you go. i hear phones ringing in the background. we'll hopefully have you back and you can update us on the situation here. i want to bring in miles o'brien. you've been covering aviation for years and years. what is your assessment as we're sort of learning that this plane here, this lear jet 45 has some sort of issue according to the faa with its landing gear door and they're troubleshooting right now. what is your assessment? >> well, you know, the situation in this case is time is your friend, fuel permitting, of course. and so what a good flight crew will do in this case is not rush things. fuel dependent, of course.

and troubleshoot the various mechanisms and systems that put the landing gear down. ultimately you want to land with as little fuel on board as possible. part of that has to do with weight. and part of that, of course, has to do with the risk of fire, which occurs. you know, landing like this with the landing gear up is actually -- it happens quite frequently. and can be done. and is not necessarily going to lead to a spectacular crash, the pilot has a little skill about it. it is something that requires a little bit of troubleshooting at first. there are backup manual systems on every plane that allow them to bring the landing gear down, without hydraulic systems that may or may not have failed in this case. that's what's going on now in the airplane. >> if you're talking about how -- they would like to land with as little fuel as possible, obviously at some point the plane runs out of gas, how much,

and, again, guys get in my ear and tell me if we know where this plane was coming from. i don't know that yet. do we have any idea if this, you know, gas tank was full, how long they have. >> well, yeah, that's -- there are variables i'm unaware of at this point. clearly you are telling me there are eight people on board, depending on how far they were flying, they may have taken off without full fuel tanks for weight. so, you know, every time you fly an airplane, they don't necessarily top off the fuel because of weight considerations. so it is difficult to assess at this point. >> okay. and so as we talk about how they are currently troubleshooting, they, presumably the pilot, as diana was explaining to me, talking to me from the airport, ultimately it is the pilot's call, she was saying, to land. but the pilot he or she is in close communication with the air traffic control tower what would that communication back and

forth be like? >> well, for one thing, if you're a pilot, you would try to get some sort of visual confirmation of what your instruments are telling you. you're in the airplane, of course, you can't see the belly of the plane, so you don't know if the landing gear is in fact out and just a bad indicator that you're operating with. that would be number one. you would try to do a couple of low passes to confirm the state of the landing gear. of course, looking at the gear, down, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is down and locked. so you can't necessarily presume you've got a nice, firm undercarriage. so the first thing you two is try to assess with some sort of visual confirmation one way or another what it looks like on the bottom side of the plane. then, after that, depending on how that goes, and if it is conflicting, if the controllers see the gear down and the pilot still has some indication that it is not down and locked, you would still continue on the assumption that potentially it could collapse on landing.

so you would continue to troubleshoot, see if you can go through any sort of manual backup procedures, fly again until you are in a situation where your fuel is appropriate, and then you just begin the approach and it really, at that point, becomes just like any other approach, except at that final moment when you're flaring, it is just a little bit lower and you want to come in as slowly as you possibly can at that point. >> miles, let me jump in. we're getting a little bit more information from this st. louis airplane here. they're saying specifically it is this lear jet, this lear jet 45, with a nose gear problem. what does that tell you? nose gear problem? >> well, of course, you know, you can -- it puts an interesting scenario. you might in theory you might have both of -- obviously a tricycle, the main landing gear underneath the wing, the nose,

obviously is where the nose gear is, and you could conceivably land with the two main landing gear, roll down the runway for some significant period of time and hold that nose up as long as possible, and then let it drop down. that's probably the most benign of gear up landings you can imagine. when you consider that as the possible scenario, that actually bodes well for this concluding in a smooth manner. when you have a situation where you have one of the main landing gear, that is to say one of the wing landing gear up and one down, that's not a great situation because it is lopsided, obviously. >> this tells us it is not lopsided, that either side landing gear under the wings is fine. it is the nose that is the issue. you're saying it is the most benign of all sort of worst case scenarios. let me bring in tory dunnen, she would like to shoot you a question. go ahead. >> so, miles, my question for you is, tell us a little bit more about the aircraft.

my understanding is that it has a crew of two on it, so is it possible that there could be two pilots on board here and six passengers? we know that eight total are on that lear jet supposedly. >> yes. it's big enough airplane to do eight passengers and two crew. but it is hard to say. i mean, it would -- it is an aircraft that is required to have two pilots, to be certified to fly legally. it is not likely -- wouldn't be legal, certainly to have one pilot on board. we're talking about a flight crew of two. and it is a newer version of the lear. dates back to the mid-'90s. so it actually can handle a crew of two and upwards of nine passengers. so this is a fairly full aircraft, which takes me back to that initial thought about how much fuel might have been on board. it is quite possible depending on how they were loaded and so

forth that they might not have begun their journey with a full tank of fuel. >> miles, let me jump back in, this is brooke. you know, given this sort of jet, do we have any idea what kind of training a pilot or pilots on board this kind of lear jet 45 might have for scenarios like this one? >> well, you know this is the kind of -- these are the kinds of things you do train for in simulators. you obviously don't want do this in the real world except when you have to, right? so -- but as part of recurrent training for a flight crew that is involved in flying these for charter and so forth, there would be -- and to get your certification to fly this, what they call a type rating, a certification to fly this particular type of aircraft, among the scenarios you would consider is how to handle gear up landing or perhaps more importantly how to handle a scenario where the gear won't go down. what you try to do to make that landing gear go down. >> so very likely, you know, hopefully, in the case of this

pilot, this could actually be the first time he or she had to go through something like this in real life, versus a simulator as part of that certification process, correct? >> yes. that's quite possible. it is worth remembering that really it is not unlike a typical landing. you want to be extra special smooth. you want to make sure you glide it in and you want to make sure you land as slowly as you can. as close to what we call the stall speed, that means not the engine is quitting, but the aerodynam aerodynamic stall speed so that you don't, you know you minimize your time dragging along the pavement. that's the idea there. but basically you approach the airport as you would as if you had, you know, landing gear down. >> tory, i want to bring you back in. because we are seeing an air force plane in the area as well. why is that? >> so, brooke, we just got this

information and this is from the air force, apparently that c-21, the lear jet that we have seen with the air force, just happened to be doing training in the area, touch and goes, which is really part of the aircraft training and why the jet we have seen with the air force markings was going up and down and put its gear up and down. and from the air force, the information is they have no other information about the civilian jet, which is in trouble. we're trying to sort all this out at the moment, figuring out if in fact the plane that we have seen sort of going around the airport is the one in trouble. >> gotcha. so to be crystal clear, as we're all sort of looking at this together, live on tv there are two planes we're talking about. one is the lear jet 45 with these eight people on board. this is the plane that is having the nose gear problems, having this issue of landing here at the st. louis downtown airport. there is a second plane that you've confirmed with air force, that just so happened to be in the area doing touch and goes. is that this plane we're looking at on tv? >> it is possible. we do have to take another look

at it and confirm that information with the faa to get the latest on that. but from our understanding, what we know is there was actually this c-21 doing touch and goes, which, again, brooke, that's part of training had it comes to piloting the plane. >> okay. tory, bring us, as people are tuning in and watching the live pictures, bring us back up to speed as far as you've been in touch with the faa what have they confirmed with you? >> so what the faa has confirmed at this point is that this was a lear jet 45, that there are reported problems with the landing gear door and it's possible they could be troubleshooting the problem. and their goal is to come into the airport. there is, of course, this potential for an emergency landing, which, brooke, is why we have seen those ambulances on the tarmac there, the four different ambulances. also the emergency crews ready. and if you look at the overhead picture here, what you'll notice is there is really not a lot of traffic beyond, again that one

military aircraft, air force c-21 doing the touch and goes there. potentially they have cleared this area to make way for what could be an emergency landing. >> miles, is that what they might do if people obviously -- air traffic control tower, very well aware, they have a possible crash landing scenario at this particular airport. would that make sense to clear other air traffic away so they can focus on this one plane? >> yeah. when the time comes when that particular plane comes in, they will certainly clear out a hunk of air space for he or she to do landing, but there is no reason to shut down the airport at this moment. it does add to the confusion a little bit when you see a u.s. air force c-21 doing touch and goes and we have a lear 45 that is supposedly having landing gear trouble. so obviously a source of confusion. >> tory, you brought up from the fact of the faa saying there was a problem with the landing gear

door. then we're hearing from the airport it was a nose gear problem. is it both? which is it? >> you know, i think we're just going to have to sort of wait and see, brooke. in this type of situation, they're trying to troubleshoot and figure out exactly when's wrong with the landing gear. i do want to mention this really quick, though, this is from cnn affiliate ktvi, we're told from our affiliate the chopper is going to st. louis lambert field. they believe that the plane in trouble is going to be diverted there instead. we're working to confirm all this information, but that is from our cnn affiliate that it is possible the plane in trouble that could be making that emergency landing has moved to a different airport, which is why we may not have seen a lot of action around here. >> miles, just to get your reaction from that, why would a plane not try to land on a perfectly good tarmac at an airport? why divert and go to a field? >> well, in this case, concrete is your friend. there is more of it at lambert field. so you've got a runway there at

st. louis downtown which is approximately, just looking right here, it is about 7,000 feet in length. lambert field, not only would it might have additional -- might have additional crash readiness capability, but it has runways that extend beyond 11,000 feet. so, you know, that's a significant added bit of pad, if you will, whenever you're doing a landing like this. you want to have as much space as you can. >> i got it. okay, so i'm not as familiar with my st. louis airports. this is the major st. louis airport, the st. louis lambert field airport. >> exactly. you've got lots of big, long runways there. normally st. louis downtown that we have been looking at would be more than ample for the lear 45, but in a situation like this, given the infrastructure they have as far as long runways and potentially the capability they

have for crash response with their vehicles there, it might be wise to go there. if i were a pilot, i would do the same. >> miles, stand by. tory, stand by. i want to bring in mike brooks working his blackberry as i'm bringing him in here. our law enforcement analyst at our sister network, hln. this lear jet 45 is headed from this smaller airport to the massive st. louis airport, presumably to a myriad of ambulances on the ground there as well. >> right. they have a better eter aircra rescue firefighting capability. it is a larger -- it is a larger runway. >> concrete is their friend, is what miles said. >> right. and as they're flying around, burning off the fuel, you don't want to have weight and any kind of fire. but going to lambert field in st. louis it a larger airport, major airport, because where we saw them flying around, where we have been watching for the last

number of minutes, you've only saw four fire apparatus interth. i would want the best aircraft rescue firefighting capability possible and longer runway. that means lambert field. >> have you seen something like this in person? >> yes, i have. >> what happens? i know each landing is different. but what has happened? >> there is a possibility, because it is a larger field, they have to clear out the air space of lambert field and there is a possibility also if they do decide to come in, because you're asking about the front nose gear and we're talking about the door, two separate problems, but the front nose gear does have a door. when the nose gear comes up, the door is closed. it comes down, the door is open. so that could be one of the issues they're dealing with. and one of the things that could also possibly do as a preventive measure on the fire fighting side is to foam the runway to give -- to have foam there, just in case you do come in, there is

a problem with the possibility of fire, that would be -- it is a fire retardant and that would help. i've seen that done a number of ti times. >> do we know, miles o'brien, you know planes and you know aviation pretty intimately, but where within this particular kind of plane this lear jet 45, is the gas tank? >> well, it is mostly in the wings. they call them wet wings. and so that, you know, you want to make sure that -- it is an abundance of caution. the fact is if this pilot performs a nice, smooth landing, it is not going to breach the fuel tank and cause a fire. having said that, less weight is better for sure. and less fuel is always better than more. so -- and it does provide the flight crew an opportunity, while in the air, to

troubleshoot the problem and see if they can rectify it. there is really no good reason to rush these things until the fuel light starts to go on and tells you you're short on fuel. in which case you need to bring it down to the ground, one way or the other. >> in which case the fuel light going on would be a good thing, that means they don't have as much fuel, best to have a lighter plane, lessens perhaps the, i don't know, the likelihood of a fire in the wings. mike, if you are ems, if you are st. louis firefighters, you are rushing to lambert field, perhaps already there. >> they're already there. >> they're there. they have ambulances ready to roll. what then is procedure for them? >> they have a basic procedure. they do all the time, whether it be here at hartsfield jackson with the atlanta fire department, on a daily basis, they'll get someone with a hydraulic problem, could be like this, and they respond out with their vehicles. and their ems units. if they believe, in fact, they cannot get that down and they have to do an emergency landing,

don't like to say crash landing, but emergency landing, then they'll take additional procedures, have additional apparat apparatus, additional ems resources and be right alongside the airport, the runway as the plane lands. >> tory, let me bring you back in here. you have new information. go ahead. >> right. sort of the question i had here was actually for miles as well. can you tell us about how landing at that airport at lambert field versus the other one, is it more difficult because there is more air traffic in the area, possibly more planes on the ground there, tell us a little bit more about the decision to land there. >> well, yeah, when you're in a situation like this, and you've got a landing gear problem, you've declared an emergency, you can trump air force one. you don't worry about traffic. you're going to go in whenever you say i need to begin my approach. and air traffic control will make that happen for you. so, while in the end this might cause a little bit of delay for

the air traffic that goes in and out of lambert, in this case, i don't think it will be too drastic because, as we say, it is not like he's circling directly above the airport now, the airport will remain open until such time he begins his approach and they would clear off space for him. potentially, of course, if, in fact, the plane is disabled, for whatever reason, and does, in fact, not have good landing gear, it might close a runway for a little while. so it will cause a little ripple of delay, but this is an issue that when you're talking about the lives of eight passengers and the two crew, that obviously trumps that. >> miles, it is brooke. how often do you have emergency landings on any given day at an airport? >> oh, there are quite a few we don't hear about. there are a lot of situations where, you know, air traffic control expedites airplanes for various problems, you know,

various sensors come on, lights indicating an engine is running hot and a crew might declare an emergency as a result of that. we don't hear about a lot of them. this kind of situation tends to draw a crowd. not only do we hear about them, but we have time to do witness it all happen. >> we're approaching the bottom of the hour. i want to reset what we're looking at. i know we're just looking at sky right now. this is perhaps in between these two different airports. we're watching a possible emergency landing situation involving a lear jet 45. the issue, according to the faa, there are issues with a landing gear door. we're also hearing specifically from the airport saying it is a nose gear problem. we don't know if those are two different issues. perhaps it is a landing gear door within the nose of the plane that could be the issue, so this pilot, we know there are eight people on board this particular plane, i was talking to the airport initially trying to land at st. louis downtown

airport, and diane earhart jumped on the phone with me, confirmed this was not a military plane. it is not a government plane. this is a private jet. so now we learn from our affiliate ktvi that this plane has now decided to go from this smaller airport, st. louis downtown airport, to the big major airport in st. louis, that being lambert field. i've got miles o'brien with me, aviation expert, cnn's aviation expert tory dunnen, mike brooks talking law enforcement, law enforcement analyst with me here. and, tory, let's begin with you as we are resetting and as we are awaiting the next steps for this plane, tell me what you know. >> so the next steps, of course, this according to the faa saying that, of course they might be troubleshooting this issue. and that is sort of something that miles had touched on earlier saying, you know, why it might be taking a while for us to actually see this plane. the fact that there are all these different elements here, there is a crew of two from what we know. this is a lear jet 45, so

possibly the pilot is trying to work out the situation here. and airport preparing as well. we know the previous airport they had ambulances on the tarmac there getting ready. it is going to be the same case at this st. louis lambert field. so for right now, we're all sort of in a wait and see mode as the pilots are talking to air traffic controllers and trying to figure out best course of action in dealing with the problem at hand, brooke. >> we have, thank you, tory. we have dan gourd on the phone now. dan is a commercial airline pilot. full transparency, you have never flown one of these lear jets, but you have been involved in emergency landings. so tell me if you are the pilot on board this plane, what are you doing likely right at this moment? >> hi, brooke. this has been going on for a short while now. really when something goes wrong, first thing you do is you reference your emergency checklist and start trying to determine whether the problem is actual, whether it is an

indication, whether it is something else. obviously the pilot is going to spend a good amount of time trying to do that. it sounds like they made a decision to land at lambert st. louis, has a longer runway than the st. louis downtown airport that they were looking at. i guess they made their decision that they're going to land at lambert, which makes sense. if you have a landing gear issue or expecting to have an issue on touchdown, it makes sense to use the longest available runway in the area. right now they're probably either complete something checklists, making some final decisions, and kind of planning out in their mind what they're going to do on that final approach and landing. >> so upon that final approach, dan, at lambert st. louis international airport, and we know this pilot has circled a couple of times and ultimately made the call as miles o'brien put it, concrete is your friend when you're landing this plane, with longer space in front of you, how do you ultimately say,

all right, let's go? >> well, you know, he's right. there is no such thing as too long a runway when you have a situation like this. at some point, and it is usually governed bit amount of fuel and the amount of time you can continue to fly, at some point you have to conclude the troubleshooting process and start surfacing on actually landing the aircraft and making that decision of what is going to happen, you know, is sort of upon you. and reality is that, you know, i don't know which of the landing gear, the nose gear or -- >> let me stop you there. we're hearing that it is the nose gear, but then the faa was also saying landing gear door. maybe miles was saying it could be the landing gear door on the nose. but that's what we have. >> i mean, i -- the landing gear door doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. all the indications in the cockpit generally speaking are linked to the landing gear being down and locked. in other words, being in the proper position for landing. so my guess is that this all

originated because when they put the landing gear down, one of the indications didn't appear correctly, which led them to doubt whether that nose gear was actually down and locked. >> i see. >> it is entirely possible. >> so is it possible, dan, the light could be wrong and that the landing gear on the nose is down? >> absolutely. it could be anything from the lightbulb in the actual light has burnt out, it could be the microswitch that triggers that light to come on in the cockpit is broken, it could be worst case scenario, unlikely, but it could be the actual nose gear isn't down and locked. there is probably four or five things it really could be. but more than likely, the simplest answer is probably the right one. >> i can't help but think about the people on the plane. we know it was a private jet. if you're the pilot on board this plane and you make that decision, when you're heading into lambert field, to lamb dert st. louis international airport,

what are you telling the people on board other than buckle up? >> well, you know, one of the things that i found in aviation that works is the truth. and reality is that, you know, at the point where you're going to make that approach and landing, you're secure in that decision, you're aware of where you are, you are confident in your course of action. communicating that to the passengers and explaining to them what you expect the outcome to be is the best course of action. you want to tell them what is going to happen, you want to be honest with them you don't want to sensationalize it, you don't want to make it overly complicated. at the end of the day, you know, give them the real true story about what is happening and what you envision the outcome is going to be based on your experience. >> okay, forgive me, dan. i was getting information in my ear. we have confirmed this plane has landed. eric, jump back in. do we have anything more than the fact that it has -- okay. okay, now, maybe my eyes aren't

as great, dan, i don't know if you're in front of the television, i have mike brooks squinting with me. apparently we're looking at the plane that is somewhere inside that spotlight. so we can't really deduce much. i don't want to say i don't see flames, therefore it is okay. we don't know. clearly there is a presence of emergency personnel on the tarmac. mike brooks, jump in. >> it looks like it is surrounded by emergency vehicles. the aircraft rescue firefighting vehicles. they have their own fire department there. that's what we're seeing in and around there. that's normal procedure. go ahead and make sure everyone is safe, make sure there is no fire, no smoke visible and they'll try to get the passengers off as quickly as possible. >> we just can't tell from here. eric, do we have anything more from the airport beyond -- that's all we have. okay, so we now have, dan, we know this plane has landed, according to the spokesperson at the airport. it is tough to tell what exactly we're looking at beyond some

yellow fire trucks here. dan, are you in front of a tv? >> yeah, i'm looking at it now. it is customary in a situation like this to stop the aircraft on the runway and let the airport fire rescue team assess the situation. it looks like there is a little bit -- now it is moving, but it looks like the aircraft is sitting fairly normally. it is tough to see. you can't really see the nose of the aircraft now, but it is very common for aircraft to have this sort of situation, stop on the runway and get evaluated rather than try to taxi and clear the runway. >> okay. i would like to breathe a sigh of relief that -- and tell everyone that everyone is a-okay. we cannot do that yet, but dan makes a great point, they need to assess this plane, get everyone off, check them out. mike brooks is staring a little closer to a monitor here in the studio. we're trying to see if we can tell. can you see anything more, mike? >> it looks like they have got fire and rescue vehicles around

it. it looks like it is sitting fairly normally. doesn't look like it was sitting down off the nose gear, just from the shaky picture we can see. but it looks like it is a normal landing, from what i can see from here, brooke. >> i would love to be able to sit here and say it is normal. looking at my e-mail, i have one line, per lambert airport, the plane has landed, they do not have specifics on the conditions of the jet or its passengers. dan, if you could talk to the pilot now what would you want to ask? >> i mean, just curious as to what the situation was, and how it -- what their first indication was and just sort of more of a shop talk thing. but the situation ended well. the landing looks like it was fairly normal and i would imagine that from what i can see there is, you know, the situation is over at this point. but that's just my assessment. >> yes. we hope everyone is a-okay now as we have been on this for 40 minutes or so.

d dan, we appreciate you calling in and walking us through as an airline pilot who has been through this before. i want to thank tory dunnen, miles o'brien, and mike brooks, hopefully we'll be able to report in a matter of minutes as soon as we hear from the airport that truly everyone is a-okay. now, other news today. watch this. after weeks of tears, admissions, and aggression -- >> were you crying when you were stabbing him? >> jodi arias back on the stand right now. we'll break down what she just revealed. plus -- >> willing to help this lady and not let her die? >> not at this time. >> backlash after a nurse refuses to give a woman cpr. is this normal protocol across the u.s.? and crews demolishing a home where a man disappeared into the ground. the news is now.

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looking at these closer pictures now of a plane, safe and sound on the ground this is that learjet 45. we have been watching for the last hour or so. jeff lee on the phone with me now from this airport. and, jeff, do we know what happened? do we know what the problem was? >> no. it was -- good afternoon, by the way. this is jeff. it was reported as some type of issue with their landing gear, about 1:30, after circling the st. louis region. and then most recently the lambert airport, landed without an incident about 1:30. what you're seeing now are our firefighting crews on stand by that responded to the situation. we understand the passengers have deplaned. you might see a bus out there. we're getting ready to assist them. >> are they okay? >> we don't have any reports of any issues with the passengers, no. >> okay. just to be clear, we heard eight people on board. was that seven passengers or six? >> i don't have the specifics on that. >> okay. >> i can tell you that they're

assessing the plane now, and we'll get the passengers off the air field and work to get equipment to tow the plane off the active runway. until then, that runway is closed and we're just moving traffic on other runways right now. >> okay. hopefully those on board on this private jet are okay here on this monday afternoon. jeff leigh, thank you so much, spokesman, lambert st. louis airport for me. and now some of the hottest stories in a flash, rapid fire. roll it. those harmless streaks you see here, they could spell big trouble. first full week of march, old man winter hit his stride. pretty quiet this hour in indianapolis. do not let that deceive you. this big snowstorm moves eastward, chicago, philadelphia, washington, d.c., get ready. also today, the health scare appears to be over for britain's queen elizabeth. she was walking out of this hospital, just a couple of hours ago. she was admitted yesterday with symptoms of a stomach bug.

the 86-year-old smiled as she walked to a waiting limousine. buckingham palace says the hospitalization was simply a precautionary measure. ♪ and i will always love you ♪ the fbi has now leased its 128-page file into the troubled life of late singer whitney houston. it reveals rantings, sometimes chilling letters from her fans, two of whom had threatened her. one tried to extort money from whitney houston. she had turned over the letter to authorities before her accidental overdose last february. and he helped make smoky rob been s inson and the miracles a powerhouse, now his voice has been silenced. smokey robinson says his life long friend and fellow band member bobby rogers died at the

age of 73. you can see him in this clip. he's the one wearing the glasses. "shop around," "tracks of my tears," tears of a clown," we know the songs by heart here. smokey says bobby rogers was like a brother to him. they were born on the same day in the same hospital in detroit, michigan. now our first glimpse of casey anthony, since 2011. here she is today, arriving at her bankruptcy court hearing. this is in tampa. last time we saw anthony she was being acquitted of murdering her 2-year-old daughter caylee. according to central florida news 13, she is claiming about $1,000 in assets in nearly 800,000 liabilities. court papers list anthony as unemployed, with no recent income. little while ago, we got an inside look at the president's new cabinet. he talked about the impact of the forced spending cuts he signed into action just last week.

>> this is my 17th meeting with my cabinet. the first one in a second term. and obviously we have got some familiar faces, we have some new faces, we have some familiar faces in new positions. obviously we're going to be spending some time talking about the potential impact of the sequester on all of the agencies and missions across the board. it is an area of deep concern. i think everybody knows where i stand on this issue. we are going to manage it as best we can to try to minimize the impacts on american families, but it is not the right way for us to go about deficit reduction. >> among some of the faces around that table there, you had defense secretary chuck hagel sitting right there, next to the president. and coming up here, i'll bring in our hot topics panel, one issue to talk about, have you heard about this out of california, this nursing home, a nurse refuses to give a dying woman cpr, even when the 911

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glenwood garden, retirement home in bakersfield. she collapsed in the dining room. the nurse on the scene, picks up the phone, calls 911, but when the dispatcher on the phone told her to give the woman cpr until an ambulance could get there, she refused. >> is there anybody that works there that is willing to do it? are we just going to let this lady die? >> that's why we're calling 911. >> we can't wait. she can't wait right now. she is stopping breathing. she can't wait for them to get there. >> sadly the woman died a short time later. of course, it didn't have to end that way. a retirement home standing by the nurse's refusal to help. we heard from this executive director of glenwood gardens, jeffrey toomer, what he said in the statement. our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and wait with the

individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. that's the protocol we followed. they say the nurse was just doing her job. at what point does being a medical professional stop being a job and start being a moral obligation to do whatever it takes to keep a patient alive? let me bring in my hot topics panel on this monday, we have theresa wilkes, radio and television personnel row luanda watts, entertainment blocker micah jesse and comedian rodina. putting yourself in the position of this nurse, do you save a life, or do you do your job per protocol? >> i think your job as a human being is to be concerned about another human being. and if it came down to saving this woman's life, the sad thing about it was listening to the full 911 call. the ems -- the 911 operator is consistently saying, is there someone else there, is there a

human being, a stranger, a passerby -- >> a gardener? >> the lackadaisical attitude of this lady saying, no, there is nobody else. it is one thing if she won't give cpr to save this woman's life, but what about somebody else to save this woman's life. i don't know if this is a fear of being sued. we are in california, the sue-me state, but it comes down to basic humanity. >> dean, do you agree? >> i do. i used to be a lawyer before i became a comedian. that is because of liability. they would rather emt suffer a lawsuit for not caring for the woman properly and watch a woman die. imagine having your mother or father in a retirement community and they collapse. and the nurse watches them die? i hope this community gets sued. even if it is not in the contract, any problem whatsoever, to care for this woman, they'll have a lawsuit. >> apparently the protocol, if you choose to move into this community, you know that this is the policy and that they will follow the policy. and you have to sign off on that. at the same time, you know, if you're a member of the medical profession, doctor, nurse what

have you, you're signing the highest code there is, the hippocratic oath, right? >> i don't think nurses do. i don't think so. >> this is humanity. >> go ahead. >> i just lost my 80 something-year-old father. i would own that facility if i found out my father was treated that way. >> i agree. >> the scary thing about it is is this could happen to any of us or anyone who we care about. so i think this is a citizen issue. we should really, you know, take a look at this. who is in those positions when a life is at hand? >> who doesn't know anyone who has been in a home. let me move on and i want to hear from theresa and mike on this one. the next topic is this, he's the only american ever to meet north korea's secretive leader kim jong-un. not talking about some ambassador, not talking about the secretary of state.

we're talking about a tatted up, likes to, you know, wear wedding gowns, known as the worm, dennis rodman, probably the most eccentric guy to ever slam dunk a basketball in the nba is now the reigning american expert, i use this term expert very loosely and facetiously here, you know, on the leader of the country who has openly threatened to destroy the united states. this is what rodman had to say about his new friend, kim jong-un. >> his country likes him, not like him, love him. love him. guess what, yeah, yeah, i love him. i love him. the guy is awesome. >> yeah. he said it, the guy is awesome. that's not all. rodman says even though kim jong-un may hate america, he loves basketball, he's over there with the harlem globetrotters. rodman thinks a little basketball diplomacy could fix the rocky relationship between the two countries. >> the one thing i said, we

talked about -- you see the clips or whatever, he loves basketball. obama loves basketball. let's start there. let's start there. if you see the quotes in the papers, he says that. he says that, about sports. both of you guys love basketball so much. >> i want to open this up to all of you. beginning with you, micah. is there any way we can look at this other than being some huge joke? >> you know, honestly, that's what i was going to say. this is a huge joke. and dennis rodman certainly knows how to get himself some good press. he's kind of known for those quick little five minutes of fame. i think this is just that. it comes at a very terrible time for him to be in north korea as we all know, america is not in the best place with north korea. and for him to be making these kind of comments is not only un-american, but also kind of startling. >> north korea is not in the best place with many places in the world here. i mean, they starve their

people, atrocious that the human rights violations, we could go on. theresa, do you -- one thing i was wondering, we had ping-pong diplomacy with china in 1971. is it possible to have basketball diplomacy in 2013? this is the beginning of a conversation between the two nations. >> possibly. i mean, i'm all for, you know, foreign relations and easing the thaw between the two countries. >> no matter what it is? >> but not with dennis rotmadma >> he's not the one. he was fabulous on the court with the bulls. he's not the most articulate one, and you know, he was right about one thing, he's no diplomat, because he isn't. he just, in his justification, if he wanted to go over there, we can argue that the debates and merits on that, but to talk about the guy and say he's awesome and he loves him is just really tone deaf. >> dean, you're shaking your head. >> i think it has the makings of

a great reality show, hanging with kim jong-un, next gary busey go over, snooki, maybe trump. they keep donald trump maybe. >> i would -- >> let me jump in. here is my other question. i remember when we were covering so much with libya, the year before last, there were a number of a-list celebrities who met with, you know, moammar gadhafi. usher, beyonce, nellie furtado, lionel richie. why is this different? >> brooke, i think anytime there is an opportunity for some kind of communication, let's face it you can say it facetiously if you want, but dennis rodman knows more about kim than a lot of our government officials right now. and basketball starts a conversation that could maybe bring -- i think as long as he's having a conversation, maybe he can impress to this guy another way of thinking, he's 28 years old, he's a young guy, he's impressionable. yes, he loves power.

yes, he loves leadership. he's following in his father's dictatorial footsteps but he may learn about humanity by talking to somebody he admires. we have all been able to touch somebody's life by having a good conversation. beyond politics, human to human, man to man, there may be something that happens in this parlay, you might say. >> i have to leave it there. who would have thunk we would be talking kim jong-un and dennis rodman but there we go. thank you all, so much. have a good rest of your day. it is a researcher's dream come true. doctors announce they have cured, they're using the cure word, a 2-year-old who was born with hiv. coming up next, we'll find out what this breakthrough means for others with hiv.

a newborn dies, just after her parents. now the search is on for the person behind the wheel of a

tragic hit and run. plus -- >> my 2-year-old daughter has nothing. my wife has nothing. and i have nothing now. and i don't know what to do. >> crews demolishing a home where a man disappeared into the ground. and she is the former spy whose cover was blown. now, valerie plame is joining me live and her warning about nukes. the news is now. hi, everyone. i'm brooke baldwin. new developments today in that tragic hit and run traffic accident in new york that killed a young couple and their unborn child. police now say they are looking for 44-year-old julio acavedo, arrested just a couple of weeks ago on february 17th on charges of driving while intoxicated. take a good long look at this guy here as we can tell you

police also say they have arrested a bronx woman, takea walker, the registered owner of the car that caused the crash. doctors performed a c-section on the mother to be, and saved the unborn baby. but he lived for just one day. >> we just lost a beautiful couple. two wonderful people, always with a smile on their face, always trying to help. >> it is terrible. it is terrible. not even married a year. and, you know, going into the happiest time to have a baby and that's what happens. terrible. >> the message to the driver used to be in my younger years was, give yourself up before we find you. >> hundreds gathered for the funeral of the young parents just yesterday. the belongings of a florida family are scattered across their lawn today. workers are continuing to demolish the home where a sinkhole, about 250 fe0 feet wid

50 feet deep swallowed jeff bush on thursday when he was in his bed. his brother, who dove into the sinkhole, trying to save him, broke down at a press conference today. >> the house is still standing. the only reason the house fell is because they put the machines on it. i feel that they could have tried harder to try to get my brother out of there. my mom and dad are going through hell right now. my mom waking up every hour on the hour crying in bed. she's going through hell. no one wants to bury their kid before they go. i want my mom and dad to know i love you and i tried to save your son. i tried my hardest. >> cnn's george howell is live just outside that home. and just hearing this brother, again, your heart goes out to this family here. and then on top of that, the rescue crews, they won't be able to go into retrieve the body. so then what happens to the sinkhole? >> reporter: you know, brooke, and at this point there are no plans to go in and try to retrieve the body.

and that's the frustrating point for jeremy. this has been a very emotional day for this family. it has been an emotional day for these crews. they have been very deliberate, very delicate in their process. i want to show you where we are right now. you can see the home is destroyed, it is down. it has been demolished except for one wall on the side. and what these crews have done all day is they have tried to bring all of the debris, and i say debris very loosely, because we're talking about a home full of many years of memories, trying to bring all of that close to the street, and try to salvage some of the valuables so the family can go through them and pick out what they can to save them. but you heard just a few minutes ago, jeremy. jeremy is angry. he's angry because he says, you know, it is a good thing the crews are able to save a lot of the valuables, but he doesn't think they did enough to find his brother. take a listen. i spoke with him earlier. are you satisfied with where this is now, they're not searching for your brother. >> no, i'm not satisfied at all. i would love to still try to at

least pull his body out. >> yeah. >> to have some kind of closure, so he's not there, staying underneath the house, and all that stuff still on top of him. >> reporter: jeremy said it is hard for him to see all of this debris on top of his brother. so, it is difficult process for this family to watch. there are no plans at this point to go into that hole, presumed to be some 50 feet deep, maybe 20 to 30 feet wide, no plans to go into it at this point. the only plan is to remove the foundation, the concrete foundation, get an idea of how big this sinkhole is, and whether it will affect other homes nearby, brooke. >> just awful. george howell, in florida, george, thank you. now to the story that hopefully this one will raise your spirits. this is the story everyone is talking about today. a woman stops -- not this one coming up, woman stops breathing, retirement home in california, glenwood gardens. none of the staff, none of those

in the loop was willing to save her life. why? well it against the rules. that's right. no cpr at glenwood gardens in bakersfield here. this woman was lying unconscious in the dining room. she at the time was still breathing. but despite the valiant efforts of this 911 dispatcher, she died. take a listen. >> i understand if your facility is not willing to do that, give the phone to that passerby or that stranger that -- i need -- this woman is not breathing enough. she's going to die if we don't get this started. do you understand? >> i understand. i am a nurse. but i cannot have our other senior citizens who don't know cpr -- >> i will instruction them. i will instruct them. is there anyone there who is -- >> i cannot do that. >> okay. i don't understand why you're not willing to help this patient. >> i am. >> great, then i'll walk you through it all. ems takes the liability for this [ bleep ]. i'm happy to help you. this is protocol. okay? >> can you get -- right away.

i don't know where he is, but she's yelling at me and saying we have to have one of our other residents perform cpr and she'll instruct. and i'm not going to do that and make that call. >> is there anybody that works there that is willing to do it? >> we can't -- >> or are we just going to wait and let this lady die? >> well, that's why we're calling 911. >> we can't wait. she can't wait right now. she is stopping breathing. she can't wait for them to get there. >> he's saying we don't. so you can talk to my boss and i don't -- >> okay. they're refusing cpr, they're going to let her die. >> can you believe that? by the way, the operator, the only hero here, her name is tracy halvorson. let me read this statement. in the event of a health emergency, our practice is immediately call emergency personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. that is the protocol we follow.

they are standing by the nurse. now to the story that will lift our spirits, i promise you, we need good news on this monday. a 2-year-old cured of hiv. this is a researcher's dream come true. or have to be the cynic and also ask, is this too good to be true? we'll get that answer in a moment. we'll also hear from someone who knows a thing or two about living with hiv. she is now 28 years old, her name is hadea broadbent, she became a symbol for children and african-americans with this virus. she stepped into the spotlight. who could forget the tears. this was back in 1992, on magic johnson's nickelodeon special when she was all of 7. remember this? >> i want people to know we're just normal people. >> you don't have to cry.

because we are normal people. okay? you are. you just want to be treated like that, right? you just want your friends to play with you? and call you up and come by and still have sleepovers and things like that, right? yeah. it's okay to cry. it's okay to cry. >> she wanted to be treated as normal. that is when she was 7. she's 28. we'll talk to her in a moment. but, first, senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen here with me on this. pretty incredible story. and you don't ever use the cure word. so i really thought of you when i read this story. have doctors found a cure? >> doctors say they have cured this little girl has been cured of hiv. so in a nutshell what happened

was, born to an hiv positive mom, baby was hiv positive, started her on drugs, second day of life. she took the drugs for 15 months and the mom stopped. we don't know why. the mom stopped giving them. for five months this little girl didn't have medication, didn't go to the doctor. she comes back to the doctor, by now, almost 2, the doctor tests hearne the her and the hiv is gone. can't find it. she thought she did something wrong. the baby really was hiv positive. she called her friends and her other researchers and said, please test this child, tell me if i've gotten this wrong. they say you haven't gotten it wrong, we can't find hiv. they can find tiningly fry ingl fragments but it doesn't affect her. she's treated as a normal child. she's not being treated for her hiv. she's not sick in any way. they're guessing she will not return. it could, i suppose, but they really don't think it will. >> it is incredible. i want to believe this is the beginning of something hopefully. thank you.

hadea broadbent is joining me now. i remember that clip when you were 7. you broke my heart. i was a couple of years older than you. watching that clip, just a moment ago, what goes through your mind? >> i just think about how hard it was for people, especially young people living with hiv/aids, the discrimination, the fear of not knowing if you're going to live or die, so it is just -- it just takes me back in time. >> and now you hear this news today, about this little girl, who doctors are saying was cured of hiv, what is your reaction to that? >> i mean, at first i was kind of apprehensive. i didn't know what was going on, but the more that i was reading, i was happy, and it just makes the featuuture seem so much brighter, the possible tiz of possib having a cure, i think it is

great the little girl turned out to be negative. even though i love my life, it is not easy having aids and i don't want anyone else to go through that. and that's why if we can possibly find a cure, i think that's the best thing possible for our future generation. >> you talked when you were 7, sitting there with magic johnson about how you just wanted to be treated as normal. do you feel like you're treated as normal at age 28? has that changed? >> in some aspects i'm treated normal by my friends and my family. but there are people who they still don't get it. stigma is very -- is still very much alive there are people who will ask my friend, why did she make me her -- my god daughter, why did she make me the godmother of her child, isn't she afraid her daughter will catch aids from me? so you still have things like that that you deal with, but i

think it's better, things have gotten better, but it is not all -- it is not as great as it should be. >> i was talking to magic johnson on the show a couple of months ago, he was talking about this new at home test and his whole thing is know your status, know if you're positive. i know you, age 28, you know, are in a better position to reach out to young people, right, to make sure they know their status. what is your message for young people in america when it comes to aids? we want people to know that hiv/aids has not gone away. there is no official cure for people like myself who are living with hiv or aids. so you have to protect yourself, stay negative, and know your status f y status. if you are hiv positive or have full blown aids, you have a chance of passing the virus on. if i wanted to have a child, me knowing my status, i could get

pregnant and have a child without passing it on, but that's because i'm in treat. we need people to get tested, know their status, stay in treatment, adhere to what your doctor is telling you to do and basically be safe and know your status. i mean, it is not the death sentence that it once was. i'll be 29 in june. and i didn't think i would live past the age of 5. >> wow. look at you now. here is magic, what did he tell me, he's been living with -- 21 years. have you stayed in touch with him through all these years? >> we see each other at events. we have done a couple of shows together, so i mean, i see him quite frequently. so sometimes in passing, but we still see each other. >> still see each other and keep in touch after all those years. we wish you the best. keep spreading the messages. we will as well here at cnn. >> thank you. >> thank you. elizabeth cohen, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> what a story. president obama just a short time ago, assembled his second

term cabinet. a lot of smiles. but they did quickly get down to business. $85 billion in forced spending cuts they are now kicking in. here is the president. >> we're going to be spending some time talking about the potential impact of the sequester on all the action ag and missions across the board. it is an area of deep concern. i think everybody knows where i stand on this issue. we are going to manage it as best we can to try to minimize the impacts on american families, but it is not the right way for us to go about deficit reduction. >> homeland security is reporting longer lines at several big airports and officials in cody, wyoming, report yellowstone national park will open late this spring due to cuts in snow removal. just here are some of the examples of some of what this nation will be feeling. dpl gloria borger, i caught something over the weekend. watch this with me.

>> these are very harsh cuts that were not ever designed to go into effect. >> careful what you sign into law. >> well, you know, that's -- i hope that doesn't turn out to be the case because the idea of this enforcement mechanism, these very deep cuts, both on domestic spending, and on defense spending, was that they were to -- designed to be so onerous that they would force both sides to go back to the table and finish the grand bargain. >> it is what candy crowley actually inserted that i wanted to call to our viewers' attention, be careful what you sign into law. has the president made a miscalculation here? >> yeah, i think you have to look at the way the situation has played out to say that the white house probably has. first thing is, i think they really underestimated republican resolve not to raise taxes in any way, shape or form. if you look at it from the point of view of the republican party,

they just went and did the fiscal cliff deal a couple of months ago, where they raised taxes considerably, this is the no new taxes party, you'll recall, and to think that they're going to come back two months later and even close loopholes, i think, was a little optimistic, shall we say, on the part of the white house. they were never going to do that. these are republicans who are afraid of primary challengers, when they stand for re-election, who will run from their rights, saying, look at that republican. he voted to raise taxes. not once, but maybe twice. and then, you know, the second thing i think is that this white house had been talking about the coming armageddon, and it is going to take a while for these cuts to snowball. so what the white house hope is that after a week or two weeks and the lines get longer at the airports and more national parks can't open, et cetera, et cetera, the public will finally

be on their side and force the republicans to get to that negotiating table. >> so that is what they hope, as you point out. not a quick thing, but will be gradual and will click into place. maybe this will change in a matter of weeks. maybe by the march 27th deadline. we'll see. gloria borger, thank you very much, in washington here. coming up next, what we call our power block. big news on everything and everyone, from oprah, to a breathtaking buzzer beater, from facebook to the queen's health, hitting you with all of it next. a guide to good dipping. celery...yes. chips...delicioso. chicken nuggets... what's going on? carrots...craveable. sabra hummus: dip life to the fullest. [ male announcer ] the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy.

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i'm brooke baldwin. we have it all for you. technology, sports, business, health, science, and showbiz news. we're hitting it all in the power block beginning with facebook. facebook has a problem. bored teenagers. teens are not unfriending facebook, per se, but business insiders are reporting they have moved on to instagram and snap chat. facebook knows it. here is what we have from their annual report. we believe that some of our users reduced their engagement with facebook in favor of increased engagement with other products and services such as instagram. human dignity in our hands. steven spielberg keeping with history for this new project. spielberg tells french tv he's developing a miniseries about napoleon.

what has hollywood buzzing here, napoleon was written for the movies by the late director stanley kubrick, clock work orange, the shining, full metal jacket. they worked on 2 eed on the 200 together. >> i'm fine and i'm healthy. barbara walters back on the view. also zombies on cable devour network tv here. nischelle turner in los angeles for me. let's start with barbara walters. she says she's fine. she says she's healthy. it has been a rough year for her, hasn't it? >> she had the chicken pox and concussion that sidelined her for a month. she's probably saying i'm done with 2013 now. she fell and she hit her head on the trip to d.c. when she was attending the presidential inauguration. while she was at the hospital for that, she was diagnosed with the chicken pox. she thinks she got the chicken pox after she hugged a famous

actor, who shall remain nameless because she doesn't want to say who it was, she said she gave this unnamed actor a hug and kiss on the cheek and later discovered he, assuming it was a he, had shingles, the same virus as the chicken pox. but it was the concussion symptoms that kept her laid up until now. she said she spent her time relaxing in bed, yelling at the tv while watching the view, frustrated she couldn't be there. and a.j. hammer from "showbiz tonight" spoke with her after her return to "the view." you can see that later over on hln. i have to say, this story kind of freaks me out, because i've never had the chicken pox either. so anybody -- >> you might get them. beware, my friends. >> i know. carriers, stay way from me. >> we'll know when you're doing this, doing this all the time on television. let's switch gears and talk zombies. people love their zombies, "the walking dead" killing the competition, including network

television. >> the zombies are taking over television on sunday nights. the walking dead is attracting millions of viewers on some sunday nights, often more viewers than anything on network television, that is up against it. more importantly, the people that are watching tend to be younger viewers which are much more desirable to the advertisers. one of the weeks in february it beat all of the network competition, attracting the highest number of people in that coveted 18 to 49-year-old demographic. so in addition to being really profitable, it is attracting a lot of attention as the example of changes in television. people are making this out to be an indication of how much power the networks have lost in attracting major audiences. if you look at the recent ratings, nbc has even been behind univision. the tv landscape is shifting more and more towards the cable channels that regularly offer, you know, the edgy, sometimes the gory entertainment like "the walking dead." and full disclosure, "walking dead" is not my cup of tea.

i had to calm my youngl my youn cousins. it gives them a rush. that's why they love it. now they're looking everywhere, seeing what is around the corner, it is that adrenaline rush. >> you're making me feel not as bad. i heard of "the walking dead." zombies, just not my thing but people love them. >> we are dating ourselves. >> nischelle turner, good to see you. thank you so much. now talk show host network honcho businesswoman, philanthropist, this girl, oprah winfrey, she has done it all. and now she can add harvard commencement speaker to that list. harvard announced today that oprah will deliver this year's graduation address. certainly she's no stranger to college commencement circuits. she has spoken at spelman college, stanford university, and duke. and the state final was in its last seconds, his team, two points behind. so what did khalil edney of new rochelle high school do?

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a former spy who worked to uncover the most tightly held secrets of iran and pakistan has a warning about the spread of nuclear weapons and the threat it poses to all of us. i know you remember valerie plame wilson as the cia officer working under deep cover, was outed early in the iraq war. she wrote about all of this in her memoir when was the basis for the movie "fair game." >> wilson never worked for the cia, but his wife -- >> agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. he just went ahead and did it. >> does this run overseas? >> it's in the newspaper, valer valerie. >> no, the column, he is syndicated overseas? >> it is everywhere. >> clip from "fair game." no longer a spy. valerie plame wilson is a global player. welcome to you. it is a pleasure to have you on here.

let's begin with this. i know you're calling on president obama to take this big step toward wiping out nuclear weapons what global zero means. what specifically are you asking of him to do? >> that's right. i'm delighted to be representing global zero, which san international movement for a world without nuclear weapons. and this week we're launching an international campaign to call on president obama to set the world's course to zero nuclear weapons by further -- by negotiating further cuts in the u.s. russia arsenals and to take the next really big historic step, which is to bring all of the nuclear powers to the table, for international nuclear arms talks. it is exciting. >> this is from global zero's new video, narrated by actor michael douglas. >> did you see the world differently? ♪

did you celebrate the victory? >> want to ask you a question, similar question i asked, we had queen nora of jordan on. she works with this initiative as well. do you see the world, do you really see the world reaching zero nukes in our lifetime? >> this isn't something that is going to happen next week or next month, maybe not in our lifetime. but we have a tremendous opportunity right now. president obama is obviously in his second term. and no doubt thinking about legacy issues. and this is something where he believes in personally and we have an opportunity to really make some -- cover some ground. he's picking up the mantle that president reagan started. he was the first one who invisioned a world without nuclear weapons. during the reykjavik summit with

gorbachev, they came very, very close, but for a variety of reasons were not able to come to an agreement. and now we have an opportunity, because the world is so much more dangerous and volatile place with the proliferation of nuclear technology, as well as the terrorist threat, we have nine declared nuclear nations, and it is absolutely critical that we move ahead, and i do think this is something we can do. >> we have 50% more nuclear weapons since the end of the cold war. i know a lot of this too is raising awareness, not necessarily to the duck and cover generation for younger people as well. let me, if i may, switch gears. the big story also as we talk north korea, dennis rodman. you're seeing dennis rodman, along with some harlem globetrotters, head over to pyongyang, hangs out with apparently his new friend, his words, his new friend, kim jong-un, the son of this mad man. the man is 28, he's a basketball fan. what do you think of this,

valerie? basketball diplomacy. could this lead to something? >> perhaps. you don't want to close any doors. but i'm not sure dennis rodman is going to be the standard bearer for the united states. north korea is definitely one of those rogue nations and nuclear, obviously. and i don't think that global zero has any naivete about if u.s. and russia can reduce nuclear arsenals that countries like iran or north korea are going to fall in line behind them right away. but it does put pressure, international context. and i think that there is possibilities. one of the -- one part of the campaign is a letter to president obama from over 75 former prime ministers, presidents, defense ministers and generals and grassroots movement students calling on him to say let's use the prestige of

the united states and call the nuclear powers to the table and begin these negotiations. >> valerie plame wilson with global zero. valerie, thank you. >> thank you. after 13 days of getting grilled by prosecutors, accused murderer jodi arias back on the stand today. so far, she has admitted to brutally killing her ex-boyfriend. her excuse? self-defense. will the jury buy it? live coverage next. ♪ [ male announcer ] whether it's mom's smartphone...

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admitted killer jodi arias is trying to save her life. live pictures as the recess has ended. she's back on the witness stand here. this is phoenix, arizona. this is her 14th day on the witness stand. finally a sympathetic presence is asking the questions again. her own attorney, kirk nurmi. pit bull prosecutor juan martinez, if you follow this at all last week, he forced jodi

arias to break down on the stand, to admit she told lie after lie after lie, after killing her ex-boyfriend travis alexander. killed him. 27 stab wounds, a slash across the throat, two bullets to the head. within just this past hour, defense attorney nurmi launched that redirect, redirect examination, he's trying to take the sting out of the damage that martinez caused. let's begin in and listen live to the jodi arias trial. >> after we broke up, he promised he would change and, you know, he wanted me to move down there so he paid for me to move down there. and so i, you know, he would still take me out, we would go on dates and that kind of thing. he wanted to spend his birthday with me. so those are just things that i felt we were kind of just testing the water to see if maybe we could trust each other again, or that kind of thing. so when i saw him, i mean, i

knew we were still, like, not together, still single, but when i saw him with that girl, i thought maybe i should ask if he is dating someone else and just hasn't told me or if find out what the status so i can find out where i stand. >> okay. and this conversation you had with him about questioning him where you stood, in the greater scheme of things, that is what led him to run up and beat his head against the wall? is this the same conversation or -- >> that wasn't the part. it was the part that i reminded him about how he said i could come over last night, and it, like, a flash of realization crossed his face and i think he just, i don't know what he's thinking, but i could tell -- after that part, he changed. he got upset. >> okay. and i'm a little confused, then,

because when you went to have a -- you told us that, you know, we had heard on cross examination about this backpack, and supposedly full of makeup, and that you and travis were having a fight about that. do you recall being asked about that on cross examination? >> yes. >> okay. and the other issue there was that you had told us in prior testimony that there was a fight going on in the bathroom or bedroom bathroom behind closed doors that mr. freeman, dan freeman, wasn't privy to. is that right? >> that's right. >> and this argument, if i recall correctly, related to your interaction with john

dixon. is that correct? >> yes, it did. he read my -- about that interaction in my journal. >> okay. so -- and refresh our memory, if you could briefly, what interaction are we talking about? >> i went -- at one point, right before convention, so maybe late august, i drove out to -- i think it was irvine, and hung out with john. we just hung out, spent the weekend together, traded files, traded music files, movie files. >> okay. >> went to the beach, went to dinner, that kind of thing. watched a movie. >> i'm a little confused, though, why was was it okay for travis to be making out with this girl and for you not to be seen or not to hang out with john dixon? >> well, i was under the impression at the time it wasn't because i was hanging out with another guy, but because of who

the guy was. so that's what i believed then. but the same pattern continued. with other guys also. >> okay. and who the guy was is because at least at this point in time when you were in irvine with him, he was not a church member, i believe that's what you told us earlier, correct? >> he was not a church member, yes. his grandfather was a member of the church, married outside the church, so he would not be a church member. >> and this girl he was making out with, was her status as a church member ever verified? >> i didn't ask. >> i guess that means no, huh? >> no. yes, that means no. >> -- ask you about that. >> approach, please.

>> all right, let me bring in criminal defense attorney holly hughes, who has been following so much of this trial. this is the jodi arias trial. this is part of the redirect. so this is more of a sympathetic questioner here, her own -- this is her defense attorney asking her to -- the context, alleged abuse in the past. >> right. basically what he's trying to do is rehabilitate her, so you want the jury to forget all about the bad parts where she confessed, basically, said, yes, i'm the one that committed these violent acts. he's trying to get her back to the why did you commit this violent act, trying to bring back to the jury's mind this was in self-defense and what we expect to see after she is done testifying is a domestic violence expert and perhaps her own psychologist testify. so he's sort of setting up that

tee ball so when they testify about what an abused woman looks like and acts like, they'll recall this testimony where she's talking about i was frightened, there were prior incidents. that's what we see happening here. >> holly hughes, stay with me. we have sunny hostin. let's dip back in once again. >> a lot of different ways throughout this case, one of the things that was discussed last week when mr. martinez spoke to you is this idea that maybe before he met you, that mr. alexander was a virgin. do you remember being asked about that? >> yes. >> objection -- never asked that. >> approach, please. >> okay. so sunny hostin, what is happening right now, awe he as

objection, what is going on? >> objections are tactical moves made by either side to prevent certain information from coming in. but i would echo what holly said earlier, which is really this is the defense's opportunity to paint the picture of why she would commit this heinous crime, because we all know she did it, she admitted to doing it, but what the jury is really going to have a problem with is why would she do it in this manner? we're talking about someone who was stabbed 27 times, shot, nearly decapitated. you really have to paint a picture of an abused woman sort of like, remember farrah fawcett in "burning bed," going back in the day, but remember that type of terrible abuse that would lead someone to murder someone she admittedly loved. and i'm not so sure that they're going to be able to get that far, but this defense in this case, is about saving jodi arias' life. this is a death penalty case. and so while i have no question

that she will be convicted, the real issue is will she be sentenced to death? >> she is sitting there. she and her defense attorney trying to save her life. sunny hostin, we'll come back to you and holly hughes to you as well. we're going to get a quick break in, covering the jodi arias trial out of phoenix, arizona. [ male announcer ] ok, here's the way the system works. let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much you think. except it's 2% every year. does that make a difference? search "cost of financial advisors" ouch. over time it really adds up.

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we are again on the case here, watching this trial here. 14 days now that jodi arias who is accused of killing her ex-boyfriend, 27 stab wounds, slash to the throat, two bullets to the head, is accused of murder. the interesting part, and as we watch these live pictures, again, she is testifying, this is part of the redirect, so, holly hughes, the interesting thing here, and the state of arizona, which i did not realize, members of the jury eventually will be able to ask jodi arias questions, correct? >> questions, correct?

>> yes, right. >> how does that work and why? >> that's going to be a fascinating part of the trial. they write down their questions, they're then submitted to the court. the judge and the lawyers will go through them. if you're not trained in the law, you might want to ask a question that's not permissible. so they'll get together and they'll decide what is permissible to be asked. i believe the judge in this state will read the question. she is going to have to answer not just to the prosecutor -- >> last week, the prosecutor, he looked like a bully. he was a tough pit bull prosecutor. back and forth with her. >> she gave as good as she got, let me tell you something. she bowed up on him too. but you expect that. the man is seeking the death penalty against her. so in her mind, she's thinking, this man is trying to kill me. i'm not going to be nice and polite and answer his questions that go along with it. so the jury expects that pushback and that dance between the prosecutor and the defendant. but when they ask questions, and

jodi arias does a lot of dodging, you know, i was in a fog, i don't remember, i'm not clear on that, i have problems when people are yelling stu iit me, mr. martinez. those ees their questions and you dodge them, that's kind of a personal insult. then they think, you're lying to me, lady, and i'm just trying to get to the truth. >> on that point, let's listen back in. >> okay. following the convention -- >> okay, and where did that take place? >> at his friend's house in -- >> and if i remember correctly, that was oral sex. >> yes.

>> if it's possible for you to make conclusions like this, based on this sexual interaction, were you of the mind-set that mr. alexander had no sexual experience prior to this encounter? >> no, i was not, based on that interaction and other things he told me prior to it. >> so he never led you to believe that he was a virgin through his words? >> objection, calls for -- >> overruled. >> no, if anything, he led me to believe the exact opposite. >> the exact opposite being what? >> he had -- he had more sexual partners that i had but mine had been over a longer range of time. >> okay.

you also mention ed somewhere down the road after that first sexual encounter, the willingness -- the second sexual encounter, that was the oral sex in your car, correct? >> that's correct. >> did he do anything during that encounter that led you to believe that maybe this wasn't his first rodeo so to speak? >> objection -- >> let me bring you in, this is part of our -- it was more

sexually degrading, so are they trying to paint her as this -- as a victim? >> well, they certainly are trying to paint her as a victim, but they're also saying she was physically abused by him. that he shoved her around. that he broke her finger. and battered her. sort of, you know, battered her trust in him, and i've got to tell you, i've prosecuted domestic violence cases, brooke, and in my view, she certainly doesn't fit the classic sort of picture that you see of -- >> how so? >> not the classic one, not to say that there is, you know, a classic one, but we do see certain elements that come out. and it just doesn't seem to jive in my experience. i mean, you're talking about a really, really brutal, brutal murder. and there aren't any witnesses

that have testified to seeing the abuse. there aren't any -- there's no history of repeated visits to the emergency room. there's no, you know, history of seeing bruises. so i think this defense has a long way to go. in proving this sort of domestic violence angle. i don't think they've gotten there. >> if it is possible, as we mentioned here, she could face the death penalty if she's convicted of first degree murder. we're following the trial. we've got holly hughes and sunny hostin. quick break. back after this. the ones who make us laugh, the ones with the strong shoulder to lean on, the ones we're named after, and the ones named after us. it takes all kinds of good to make a family. at new york life, everything we do is to help you keep good going.

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