wearing sunglasses and a jacket covered in currency, rodman went on this week with george stephanopoul stephanopoulos, praising kim jong-un. >> a great guy, just a great guy. >> a great guy who puts 200,000 people in prison camps? >> it's not the same way we do things here? >> was that a saturday night live skit? >> no, this is the saturday night live skit? >> north korean high five. >> though pitting reality against the skit -- >> i love this guy! >> i love him. i love him. the guy is awesome. >> reality won. it was a mesmerizing interview in which dennis rodman called george stephanopoulos dude. dude. >> and engaged in a lot of guesswork. >> guess what, guess what, guess what, what i did -- what i did was history. was history against what? >> imagine the north korean interpreter trying to make sense of this interview. now, there is at least one guy who came to rodman's defense.

>> maybe dennis is a lot better than what we have. >> donis trump was dissing the obama administration's diplomatic skills. rodman just returned to trump's all-star excellent apresentence where he was picked last when two teams were formed. >> i was the last one picked. it didn't bother me. >> kim jong-un sure doesn't bother him. >> very humble. >> so honest. >> his country like him. not like him, love him. >> cartoonist steve breen drew both of them thinking in unison, standing next to him making me appear less crazy. from north korea, rodman tweeted, maybe i'll run into the gangnam style dude while i'm here, which prompted the gangnam style here to tweet back, i'm from hash tag south, man. south, not north korea. >> gangnam style. >> this is diplomacy rodman style. >> guess what? guess what? don't hate me. >> jeanne moos, cnn.

>> don't hate me. >> new york. >> can't make this up. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, reports that a major figure in the war on terror has been killed. or has he? plus, many democrats believed republicans would suffer a public backlish if the forced spending cuts went into effect, but the president's approval rating has changed big time. and saing sinkhole in florida buried a man alive while he was in his bed. there's another sinkhole now and a risk to more americans. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, dead or alive. tonig tonight, u.s. officials say they're still not sure if a crucial leader of al qaeda is still alive, two days after they reported they killed mock moke

dar al moke dar. the intelligence defense minister said there's no proof that he was killed. he is a key player, one of the world's most wanted terrorists. he claimed responsibility for the january attack on an algerian gas facility in at least 37 foreign hostages died, including three americans. now, i want to note that we've been reaching out to a source in the region, a military leader in the islamic group. his name is omar. i called him today. he's worked side by side with this man, and usually, he's eager to take that call, to address our questions at length. tonight, though, after repeated attempts, we were unable to reach him. barbara starr is at the pentagon tonight. why is it so hard to get a straight answer here on alive or dead? >> good evening, erin. the reason is it's a remote area. the u.s. intelligence services around the world, all very unsure this evening. the u.s. has stepped up in recent days its intelligence sharing with the forces of chad,

wh with the french, but chad forces went in on the ground, conducted this attack on what they said was a jihadist base in northern mali, the question is, is there evidence, is there intelligence that belmoktar was even there when the attack happened. is there imagery, cell phone intercepts, internet traffic, signs of a funeral planned for an al qaeda leader. all the things that the u.s. is still looking for that signals to them, would confirm to them that it's likely belmoktar was killed in the attack. so far, they don't see those signals. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. inquestion is who exactly is belmoktar. we know he's a veteran jihadist, 40 years old, an algerian, and at least up until now, he has eluded counterterrorism foerrce for years.

we first heard about this man while traveling on the mali boarder that say summer. a tribesman we were with received a warning call telling him this man was in the area. what's his name? >> bell mock tar, born in algeria, he's been a jihadist since his late teens. he's feared and also revered in northern africa. he lost an eye fighting in afghanistan and one eye is just one of his many names. they also call him the prince and mr. marlboro. a nickname he earned as a successful smuggler of cigare e cigarettes and drugs. he's also famous for kidnapping. the toregtribesman we were with feared he would kill nap or kill us if we went to the town he was. we were forced to turn back. robert fowler who worked for the united nations wasn't so lucky. he was taken by the brigade in 2008 and held for 130 days. >> i was terrified that the

whole thing would end with a knife at my throat in a tent like your colleague daniel pearl. >> africa's security analyst rudy atalla said the veteran jihadist has worked in libya, algeria, mauritania, amali. he even named his son osama. >> he's operated in that space very comfortably, and he knows how to make himself disappear. >> "outfront" tonight, seth jones, author of "hunting in the shadows, the pursuit of al qaeda after 9/11." he's also with the national security and policy center. and peter brooks, former deputy secretary of defense under george w. bush. good to talk to you. peter, interesting, when we called the military commander today, i'm not trying to read anything, but i'm just saying, i wasn't able to get through to him. usually i am, and he's eager to talk to us. is it worrisome that we don't have a straight answer on whether he's dead or not and

whether the other terrorist killed in the same area is dead or not? >> well, we certainly can't be complacent about it. it's best until we have proof that we assume they're still alive. and we operate accordingly. obviously, the french, the chadian forces, malians, are operating there. and it appears we're providing some intelligence, according to some reporting in the wall street journal today. this is a very important fight we're in here. i wouldn't take it personally he didn't take your phone call, but he may be on the run as well. and things are a little -- you know, there's a lot of cay aus right now with the french and the chadians and malians pressing the offensive. >> people said they could be in the more cave-ridden area in northern mali along the border. rudy, you know him, and you saw him in the prese. he said the chances of chadians, of course, the chad army is the one who said they killed abu zeid and moktar is slim. there's a much better chance of winning the lottery.

what do you think? >> there may be some truth to that. look, i think in this case, from a u.s. perspective, it's hard to gauge the evidence right now. we don't have the forces that we've had in afghanistan or pakistan to assess these kinds of strikes. the chadians, it would be great if they killed him. they are on the ground, but i would be surprised if they had the level of intelligence to kill someone of this magnitude without help from say french air strikes that were conducting attacks on the ground. >> so how big of a priority should finding belmoktar be right now, peter? he appears to be a figurehead growing in importance, but is that true or not? >> he's very important, but once again, as we talked about on friday, it's just one person. it would be a significant blow to al qaeda and the islamic maghreb and these groups out there, but it doesn't mean it's the end of the game here. there's still a lot to do. there's other people out there. the french would tell you that a man by the name of abu amman is

important out there. >> it's interesting to note it will be the second anniversary of bin laden's det of may 2nd, and two years ago, no one talked about moktar belmoktar. he wasn't somebody anyone talked about. the president 6 the time was saying al qaeda has been decimated. then he changed his speech to saying al qaeda is on the path to defeat. he's changed his rhetoric. how important would a killing of belmoktar be to this president? would it be as important right now in terms of his influence on al qaeda and people who are considering joining that organization as bin laden? >> no. i don't think it would be as important as killing bin laden. he does not have the global reach or influence that bin laden did. but he is important for one major reason. he has killed american. he has american blood on his hands, and it was recently.

in that sense, being able to capture and in this case, potentially kill him, has very significant implications that if you do target and kill american civilians overseas, you will pay a price for that. >> and peter, the bottom line is this would appear to be, if it is true, that if they are ted, a very big victory, even if it was the chadians who did it, for president obama. >> i'm not sure it's a victory for president obama. it's a victory for the international community. i'm still bothered, erin, by the fact that justice has not been served on those who took four americans' lives in benghazi almost six months ago. so like i said, i would be glad to see these people out of the picture, but once again, i think we have to be careful about the signals it sends. and what we do, and once again, it would be a victory for the international community overall. >> of course, as we have reported, the u.s. officials have said it is possible that no one will ever be brought to justice for the killing in benghazi. thanks to both of you. "outfront" next, a major story

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our second story "outfront," sex, celibacy, and the priesthood. while more than 140 cardinals are meeting at the vatican to select a new pope, the catholic church once again rocked by scandal. this time, cardinal keith o'brien of scotland issuing a statement saying i wish to take this opportunity to admit there have been times that my sexual kublth has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop, and cardinal. o'brien resigned last week after being accused of abusing four men while they were studying to be priested es in the 1980s.

out front, father albert cutie, who left the church. let me start with you, cardinal o'brien talked about celibacy and said something pretty poignant. i want to play it for you. here it is. >> i realized that many priests have found it very difficult to cope with celibacy and doubt their priesthood and felt a need of companion, of a woman to whom they could get married and raise a family of their own. >> an interesting thing for him to say. is there some truth in that? is it too much? >> who would ever say that celibacy is easy? of course, we all want intimacy. we have a natural drive to be sexual beings, but married couples find it hard to be monogamous. people who lose their spouses, wid

widows, widowers, they're celibate, lonely. priests aren't the only ones. if you're not married, it means you're not having sex. priests aren't the only ones who aren't supposed to be having sex? >> father cutie, what is your opinion on that. you said there were a lot of priests who were forced to hide their personal lives? >> it happens at every level of the church. sexuality is part of who we are. i agree with father beck that it's a struggle to be celibate, a struggle to live a good marriage, and all of those things are part of humanity. i think when you impose celibacy as the norm for all secular priests, all priests, every parish priest has to be sellbussellbuscelibat celibate, you're asking for trouble. we are sexual beings, and a priest could be just as good and effective minister to god's people with a wive or children like it was for the first 12

centuries of the church. >> that's the choice the it's m manatory, not a choice, but when they make the connection that there's aberrant sexual behavior because of celibacy, that's ridiculous. >> let me ask you about that because frank broony wrote about this. he said no matter what a person's sexual orientation, the celibate culture runs the risk of sturnting its development and tu turning sexual impulses into tortured je ed gestures. some believe it's more likely to make you a pedophile? >> this is what i say to him, the jon jay study that looked at priests from 1950 to 2002 who had abused said that 4% of american roman catholic priests who abeused were pedophile.

that means 96% of priests did not abuse. why did celibacy cause them to be pedophiles? why does not being married? 30% of sex abuse occurred in marria marriages. does being a boy scout leader cause sexual abuse? it's a nonsecwitter. >> i agree 100% with father beck that pedophiles have nothing to do with celibacy. celibacy is something that is part of a church norm. and there are many healthy celibate priests, but definitely there are some people, not just in the priesthood, in every aspect of society, in every culture and every profession that do perform these horrible acts with minors, or criminal acts. we have to separate the two. >> you thirk there's a value to celibacy. you just don't think it should be thrown out? >> exactly. and i do think that celibacy has a value.

actually, in almost world religion, there are some people who are celibate, the religious, the monks, certain spiritual gurus, so i don't think celibacy should be thrown out. i think it should be studied. you know, father beck lives in a community. he's a passionest, they make three vows. priests like me may vows of celibacy and obedience as part of the secular priesthood, but the fact is we live alone. you talk to celibate priests and they'll tell you the closest priest to him might be miles and miles away. in rural areas they're by themselves. it's a lonely, sometimes dysfunctional life in some cases. >> thanks. we'll be seeing a lot more of you as the conclave gets started. so when it comes to the next pope, it's not just catholics following the story.

gamblers of all faiths are getting in on the action. europe's largest book action, paddy power, has a line on who the next pope will be. the last papal action -- election took in more than a million bets for paddy power. this one is going to be seven times bigger. as you can imagine, the church is not happy about it, saying betting is always bad. praying is the best thing. god has to be in charge. which brings me to tonight's number. 76%. according to a survey by the magazine u.s. catholic, that's the number of american parishes that host bingo games and raffles. church attendance is down in the u.s., and many have been using bingo to subsidize their costs. consider this, the first reported bingo game was played in 16th century iterally, the exact same time and place where people started betting who the pope would be. i'm smelling a rat. i'm saying they shouldn't shy

away from the bets, they should embrace them. if they're really offended by the idea of this, maybe they should just change it to that. and still to come, tsa officials saying the forced spending cuts have caused longer lines at airport security checkpoints. that is something one can check and ascertain and confirm and see if it adds up, so we did. inside the deadly sinkhole that swallowed and killed a man as he laid asleep in his bed. check out my new treadmill app.

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our third story "outfront," another sipghole in florida. authorities in sefner, florida, are on the scene of the second sinkhole about three miles from the spot where 36-year-old jeff bush died last week after being swallowed up by the earth while he was asleep. rescue crews demolished bush's family home and they're going to fill the hole there with gravel to try to stabilize the area. they still say as of no they have no hope to recover bush's body. that's only adding to his

family's anguish. >> slowly and carefully, crews tore down the walls of this home. they tried to spare the pictures, the family furniture, and even an american flag, but the search for jeffrey bush, who died here after being swallowed by a sinkhole, has already ended. and for bush's brother jeremy -- >> i feel they could have tried harder to get my brother out of there. >> the memories this family is able to salvage here will never be enough. >> it's really hard. yeah, you lose somebody so close to you, you're with every day. you lived with him, worked with him, with around him 24/7. the only time we weren't with him was when he was sleeping or in the shower or the bath, you know. it's hard. it's really hard. >> wearing his brother's hat, jeremy bush watched with family and friends as heavy equipment tore through the house, revealing the place where jeremy heard his brother screaming and tried to save him. from the air, you can get a glimpse of the sinkhole believed to be some 50 feet deep, and on

the ground, you could even see the 80-foot arm of the machine plunged down deep, past the foundation, pulling up debris. the goal is to get the house removed, the slab removed, so we can see the sinkhole. we don't know if the house is going to fall in, but we're going to take every precaution to remove the debris if we can. >> if you look at what's happening, it's very delicate work because on either side of the home, there are two homes that had to be evacuated because crews are concerned the sinkhole could continue to grow. they say the ground nearby it is too unstable for people to get too close. but gjeremy bush disagrees. she believes crews should be able to do something to get his brother. >> they had a hard time pulling concrete up. that means the ground was still stable right there. you have that long arm. have something hanging from that arm, trying to dig my brother out. >> the day ended with a burial of sorts. the family gathered the memorials left by well-wishers dropping them into the claw of the backhoe, the backhoe dropped

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on our reporting from the front lines. first, a breakthrough in the fight against hiv and aids. a 2-year-old girl from mississippi was born hiv positive and is now healthy. she got aggressive treatment with antiviral drugs that started just after her birth. doctors say this is the first time a child has been quote/unquote functionally cured of hiv with drugs. that means the traces of the virus are now so small in her body that she won't need life long children. it's unclear if it will lead to better treatment for older children or adult tz. we're told the news is encouraging but it's important to remember this is only a step

in the right direction, not an immediate solution and far from a cure. >> the trial has begun for 94 individuals plotting to overturn the government. they had ties to a group that has peacefully called for government reform. human rights groups are watching the case closely. they say some detainees have been held for nearly a year, and amnesty international tells us they're concerned they're not letting foreign media or human rights media into the court to monitor what is happening in the trial. >> now an "outfront" update to a story we brought you a few weeks ago about senator menendez that he partied with prostitutes in the dominican republic. the senator has strongly denied this. cnn has learned through court documents that an escort who initially claimed in a videotape that she had sex with menendez now said she was paid by a lawyer to read a script. she said she was videotaped surreptitiously and may have been led to believe the script

she was reading had something to do with a divorce case. now a massive swarm of locust has swarmed egypt. the swarm consists of at least 30 million locusts. there are now concerns the locusts will move to israel. a hotline has been set up for israeli residents to report the sightings. sudawn has also had problems. they look like small birds. greg sword of texas a&m tells us swarms like these are relatively rare. this year he had the conditions were popular for reproduction and growth. >> it's been 578 days since the u.s. lost its credit rating. some nights i think about the number that came out of my mouth. it's getting too darn high. what are we dag to get it back? the dow is less than 40 points away from an anew all-time high. >> now our third story

"outfront." feeling the pain. that's what the president warned us about when the forced spending cuts took effect. one thing we would be facing was long lines at the airport, but is it true? guess what, you can fact check that, and jim acosta is "outfront." >> from the table in the cabinet room, president obama warned the consequences of those automatic budget cuts are coming to kitchen tables across the country. >> it is an area of deep concern. i think everybody knows where i stand on this issue. we are going to manage it as best we can to try to minimize the impacts on american families. >> the department of homeland security says reductions in overtime for customs workers resulted in long lines at international airports around the u.s. over the weekend. >> we are already seeing the effects at some of the ports of entry, the big airports, for example. some of them had very long lines this weekend. i would say 150 to 200% as long as we would normally expect. >> a spokesperson for janet

napolitano said she was not referring to tsa security checkoints, just customs lines. they say expect those lines to spike later in the spring as the agency won't fill up to 1,000 personnel vacacies by memorial day weekend. passengers we found said they're not feeling it yet. >> sequestration hasn't hit or bitten for us yet. we're pretty regular travelers. >> but the white house may be undercutting its case with some budget hype. consider education secretary arne duncan who now says he misspoke when he claimed last week that teachers are already receiving pink slips. >> i want to apologize for not being as clear as i should have been. when i said pink slips, i should have used job eliminations. >> what is the administration doing to make sure these numbers are not hiked? might that undercut your message? >> here's the thing, if you disagree with the cbo and with outside economic analysts who say that up to three quarters of a million jobs will be lost, you should make that case. there's no way to do what the sequester calls for and not

create these negative effects. >> americans may not be feeling the punch, but there are plenty of spending cut punch lines. over the weekend, the s in snl, stood for sequester. >> we are asking everyone to take a photo down the front of their pants and just text that to us. >> with washington becoming a joke, it's no surprise both sides appear willing to pass a measure that would avoid a government shutdown at the end of the moeth. >> i'm hopeful that the house and senate will be able to work through this. >> jim, i love the "saturday night live" skit. it captured the whole ridiculous outrage of the situation, but there's still a lot of pressure on washington to soften the forced cuts even though people haven't felt them yet. is anything really going to get done? >> house republicans came out with an idea today, something of a sequester softner, if you want to call it that, erin. it would reduce the impact of these forced budget cuts on the pentagon and a slew of other

federal programs like border patrol, like the fbi, but at this point, it's really just a proposal out of the house. no word on whether it will pass the senate or even if the president will sign off on it, so this is washington. you have to wait and see. >> a sequester softener. absolutely disgusting image. >> think fabric softener. >> as opposed to the other softener. the president's job approval rating took a hit, lowest level. 46% down from 52% a week ago. that seems like a pretty big drop. >> it does. >> we keep talking about the public is blaming the republicans. this seems to be a big move, isn't it? >> yes, and actually erin, there's a new cbs news poll that came out tonight that the public may be starting to blame both parties equally, or at least the president and the republicans almost equally on this issue. there's a new poll that came out tonight. 38% of americans blame republicans for these forced cuts. 33% on the president, and we heard the press secretary, jay

carney, asked earlier today, would the president like to have a democratic-controlled house in 2014? well, these numbers are not going to help that effort. >> that's going to be something pretty sobering for them. they have been happy there to get those numbers their way. thanks very much to you, jim. >> you bet. the woman behind the blog post "i am adam lanza'smotor" referring to the gunman in the newtown massacre, will be on capitol hill tomorrow. we spoke to belonger liza long in december shortly after the shooting because her blog about her 13-year-old son michael had set off a national debate on mental health. i live with a son who is mentally ill. i love my son, but he terrifies me. her blog went viral with people loathing her and cheering her. lysisa liza long is "outfront" as she prepared to testify about violence and mental illness on capitol hill. when we spoke back in december, you were talking from the heart about -- you said 97% of the time, you son is a sweet child,

but the other 3%, he turned into what you called an absolute raging person who has threatened to kill you and himself. i know that it's a big commitment, and it's hard to keep sharing all these details, to go to washington, share them with the country. so what made you decide that you and your son would be a face of mental illness and how it can cause violence? >> i feel like my name is out there, my name is attached to this issue, and advocacy can be a powerful way to remove that stigma. >> and when we spoke last time, you told me about the mental health laws in your state in idaho. you said, you talked about this emotionally awful time when your husband had to press criminal charges in order to get your son put in a mental institution for his health, for your safety. but he could only stay in that institution at the time for 10 to 14 days. what changes are needed? that, to me, seemed so shocking and so difficult for you as a parent. >> right. and i know that our state isn't alone here in idaho in dealing with mental illness and mental

disorders through the juvenile justice system. in many cases, there's really just a gap between an acute care facility like the one my son visited and jail. there just aren't a lot of options. i will say in defense of idaho that advocacy again proved very powerful in our case, and the state's been very forthcoming in providing services for my son. >> the hartford current and pbs had put together a documentary for frontline on adam lanlza and his mother nancy, the first person he killed on that horrific day. various people have told the current reporters that adam had a hard time connecting with people. he didn't like to be touched. he had a hard time in school and crowded hallways were difficult for him. one friend said he had aspergers. and here is what marvin, who was a long time friend of adam's mother, said about adam. >> adam aspires to be like his uncle. >> really? >> yeah. he was in the military. and he was proprietary proud of that. she allowed him to believe that, yeah, you're going to be like your uncle.

depending on how he turned out, sometimes people can overcome that with medication, counseling, whatever. they can and do. and i think maybe she was hoping for that. >> liza, as a parent, how do you know if your child is just struggling with issues that can be helped and treated or capable of committing a horrific crime? >> how do you ever know? i mean, this is why it's so hard for me as a mother to judge nancy lanza. i know meant plenty of people h judged me and plenty of people judged nancy. it's a hard question, erin. how would you know? i think whenever you're dealing with a child like michael, you have to do everything you can in terms of intervention, in terms of therapy, treatments, but at the same time, you know, for myself, it's important to not own guns. you know, or make sure that he doesn't have access to guns. to me, this just seems like common sense when you're dealing with a child like this. also, i do have a very good

relationship with our local police department and the police officers are amazing. and at the end of the day, you know, if your child is going to be violent, you have to report the violence. you have to. >> now, when you wrote that blog, and you came on this show, people were -- a lot of people were critical of you. they said how could you do this to your child? they're going to figure out who he is. you called him michael. he's 13. that's not his real name. and you also talked about the blog before you wrote it. have you talked to him about your testimony yesterday? >> yes, we have discussed it. i actuality wanted to get his input. he's a valuable player in that discussion. you know, he wants to be well. he says tell them this is important and we want to get better. and he wants to grow up to be that productive, happy person as well. he wants to go up to a be a history professor. he said just tell them we want help and we want to get better. >> all right, well "outfront," dennis rodman causing a global problem by meeting with north korea leader? or can the u.s. benefit from the

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an investigation is under way into the death of an elderly california woman who died after a nurse at her senior living facility refused to perform cpr. even though a 911 operator begged her to help. the employee said company policy forbade her and anyone else there from saving anyone's live. miguel marquez has the tape. >> we need to get cpr started. that's not enough, okay? >> we can't do cpr. >> then hand the phone to the passer by. if you can't do it, hand it to the passerby. i'll have her do it. or if you have any citizens there. >> beyond shocking, a nurse at this bakersfield independent care facility for the elderly flat out refuses to he87-year-o lorraine when she collapsed on the dining room floor. >> is there anyone who is willing thewill

willing to do it? are we going to let her die? >> that's why we called 911? >> we can't wait. she's dying. >> she begged her, who she yoifred as a nurse, to help or get someone. >> she's not breathing. she's going to die if we don't get this started. do you understand? >> i understand. i am a nurse, but i cannot have our other senior citizens who don't know cpr to do it. we're in the dining room. >> i will instruct them. is there anyone there -- >> i cannot do that. >> i don't understand why you're not willing to help this patient. >> great, then i'll walk you through it all. ems takes the liability for this, colleen. i'm happy to help you. this is ems protocol. >> john weber was a firefighter here for 21 years. he said his department responded offer. >> the calls would range from people falling to full arrest where someone is not doing it. the calls where someone would fall down, they would have a

policy where it was hands-off. they would not help them. >> management told firefighters it was a matter of liability, not wanting their employees injured helping someone else. the tennessee company brookdale living facility that owns the facility said the woman who called 911 was hired to be a resident services director, not a nurse, and the facility is an independent living facility, and is not licensed to provide medical care to any of its residents. the facility says it followed its protocol by calling emergency services and staying with the patient until emergency personnel arrived. >> that was miguel marquez. awful story. let's check in with anderson cooper. >> we have a lot more on the breaking news on the program. the allegations against senator bob menendez that he paid for sex in the dominican republic from a prostitute. those unraveled today. one of the women who made the claims now admits she lied and she was actually paid to lie. the question is who paid her? we're going to look into that,

talk to cnn's drew griffin who is on the ground in the dominican republic chasing the story. also, in crime and punishment, jodi arias on the stand in arizona. testimony again focused on her sex life and how she said she murdered her boyfriend in self defense. randi kaye was in the court. also joined by jeffrey toobin and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. those stories, dennis rodman's bizarre trip to north korea, meeting with the dictator there, and laura ling, who was imprisoned in north korea, and her sister lisa who tried to free her. also the ridiculist and a lot more. >> looking forward to talking to you. now our fifth story "outfront." dennis rodman played diplomat. fresh off his trip to north korea, he's gushing about his newfound friendship with the brutal dictator of a country notorious for prison camps. >> the kid's only 28 years old.

28. he's not his dad. not his grampa. as a kid, very humble. very strong, as a man. very strong. but he don't want war. he's a great guy. just a great guy. if you sit down and talk to him, he want obama to do one thing -- call him. guess what, what i did, what i did, was history. >> yes, it was. rodman is said to be the only american to have met mr. kim. that's no laughing matter. but as for a phone call from the president, all right, that's not going to happen. white house press secretary jay carney would only say north korea is wasting its time and money. >> north korea ought to be focusing on its own citizens and opportunities to improve their lives. and the united states has channels of communications directly with them. those are the channels we choose to employ. >> is the basketball star making more headway with kim jong-un than the united states? ben, is there a lesson to be

learned here? dennis rodman shows up looking a little bit look a kook. he has his sunglasses on inside the studio. and he's got his dollar bill jacket on. but -- but, what did he accomplish? >> he was there, met the guy, maybe got useful information. it's painful for me to agree with donald trump in a situation like this. i never agree with him. but no one has gotten in there. no one has met with him. he's a 28-year-old. he is taking over for the first time this her mitt kingdom. is there a chance he could reach out to a crazy person like dennis rodman and make a connection with the west that he hasn't made before? i think there's a chance of it. mostly it's a clownish buffoon incident. but if you give the kid a benefit of the doubt, dennis rodman brings back even a tiny piece of information, we shouldn't just dismiss it out of hand. >> rodman said he could be the west's leetding expert on north korea's leader. i don't know if bill richardson has anything to say about that. what do you think? >> erin, as an athlete, you have

to know sometimes when you're being played. he said something very important at the top of that interview. he said, you know, this was not supposed to be me meeting with kim jong-un this much. it was supposed to be really small. all of a sudden it turned into something very big. that tells me they already had it planned. dennis rodman is going to be in town, guess what, we're going to take lots of pictures, dennis rodman day all day here in north korea. i think he walked into something that was bigger than he at this point understands. >> when you look at that picture of kim jong-un and dennis rodman sitting together, you think it's a cartoon. it is so bizarre. i mean, it's amazing. >> it's definitely bizarre. but i also think it really does reflect desperation on the part of north koreans. i think that's actually an opportunity. so recently north korea has a test of a nuclear weapon. on one level everyone says that means they're saying screw the rest of the world. we're ready to do what we're going to do, and we're not willing to negotiate.

another possibility is that here's a guy who's coming in. he's very green, very new. it's his way of establishing that he's tough. he's establish iing he's tough d then he can open up. there are a number of people, i was in south korea recently and spoke with a number of experts on related issues. a lot of them are speculating that actually he is now in a position by virtue of having done this seemingly crazy thing to then take the steps that he would otherwise have been too vulnerable to take. again, dennis rodman, very quirk ri stuff, very silly, but i think it reflects they're willing to make a pivot. >> ben, a cartoon just came out which makes me laugh. you've got dennis rodman standing next to kim jong your honor. standing next to him makes me appear less crazy. >> if there's someone in the world that can make him seem a little less crazy, it's -- >> there's your reference right there. make sure you got it right.

>> i think, you know, the upshot is, it's a crazy ridiculous thing that he did. he's probably not going to do the united states any good or bring back any useful information. but there's a chance he will. i don't see it as this awful evil thing that he's done. >> one final word, though. you think this specifically sets black athletes in this country back nearly a century. >> i went to ucla because of people like jackie robinson and arthur ashe. i don't need my athletes always socially conscious. but i don't want them to be socially myopic. i listened to dennis rodman talk about kim jong-un as if he was the greatest guy ever. there are families who have been affected by the north korea regime and people imprisoned and are going to freeze to death and starve to death this winter. i just thought about them and how even maybe with dennis rodman's fans in the past must feel listening to this guy praise kim jong-un. >> he used language he shouldn't have used.

nobody's in love with kim jong-un. >> thanks to all three of you. up next, what should have been a great sports story about courage and men and women. but then the media got involved. [ woman ] we had two tiny reasons

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