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good evening. welcome to this special report "sex, lies and audiotape." the defendant's third week on the stand, answering questions from the jury. something that were skeptical that she killed her boyfriend in self defense. randy? >> for 17 days, she has been on the witness stand behind me, trying to explain to jurors why she had no choice but to kill travis alexander. all seem to agree, the

relationship was explosive. sex, stalking, sordid details. tonight, she is in the fight for her life. >> as we began, there was a critical question in play. would her story hold up? >> would you agree that you are the person who actually slit mr. alexander's throat from ear to ear? >> the prosecutor grilled her. >> the defense tried to mitigate the damage. >> did you want to kill mr. alexander on june 4th? >> no, that was not a goal of mine. >> now, it was jury's turn. they submitted hundreds of question, and the judge read them allowed, one by one.

from their sex life. >> did you enjoy having sex with travis? >> for the most part, yes i did, very much. >> to the unpredictable memory. >> in the moments of stress or fog, how do you recall what happened in those moments if it affects your memory? >> i don't recall clearly what happens, sometimes i have a general sense of what is going on, sometimes i don't. >> to the consequences of her actions. >> why were you afraid of the consequences, if you killed travis in self defense? >> i was -- i believed that it is not okay in any circumstance to take someone's life. even if you are defending your own life. >> jurors peppered her on every deat the same time. >> someone's life they have in their hands, get to question her

about everything? how is it that you did this? why not do that? it is unreal. i think that these questions demonstrate this jury is like, really? jodi arias? really? >> if they were skeptical, this is her third version of the story. the third attempt to explain what happened to travis alexander. >> 2008. and roommate was worry body travis. >> i totally broken it off with jodi. >> he said he worried she would hack his facebook account. >> after he read back to me the message he sent, my comment is, aren't you afraid she may trite to hurt you? that was harsh.

she will get the message he does not ever want to be around you ever again. >> since their breakup, things had been complicated between them. they had an active sex life, jodi acting out against travis. >> she slashed his tires, and crazy stalking behaviors. >> it may be not surprising, when jodi left on a road trip, she said she was going to utah. turned up instead in messa, arizona. at the home of travis alexander. >> early morning hours. travis is there. according to her. he is online. they go to sleep. when they wake up, then they get back to what travis and jodi always do, engage in sex. they didn't just engage in sex, they brought cameras into play.

travis taking pictures of jodi. she took the last picture of travis alimpt he was in the shower. then, the details and jodi's memory get foggy. >> days later, jodi turned up in utah, at travis's friend david hughes thought she was acting strange. >> i saw her, i noticed the cut fingers, and flipped the license plate up and on her car. long sleeve shirts in the middle of the summer. >> that wasn't all. >> on june 4th, a voice mail for travis. on the sixth, two days after the killing, on the seventh, an e-mail. why would she do that? >> no question, she was putting distance between herself and the crime. she nided them to believe is she wasn't in arizona. >> back in arizona, nobody had

seen travis alexander for days, a handful of concerned friends went looking for him. >> a friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. we hadn't heard from him for a while. his roommates just went in there and said there's lots of blood. >> there was a gun shot wound over his right eye brow, and massive amounts of blood all over the master suite. plattered all over the bathroom, the sink, the mirror, the floor. his friends had immediate suspicion bs who did it. >> he had been threatened by anyone recently? >> yes, he has. he has an exgirl friend that's been bothering him and following him and slashing tires and

things like that her name is jodi. >> she insisted she was no where near messa for months. >> this is version one. >> that was around april that you last saw him? >> right. >> early april. >> you haven't been back in town since then? >> no, i haven't at all. >> what if i never moved. and i would have been there, i could have come help? >>. >> what if i could show you proof you were there? >> i wasn't there. >> you need to be hon west me, jodi. >> i was not at travis's house. you had a sexual encounter. there are pictures. >> aren't you sure they aren't from another time? >> positive.

absolutely positive. >> by now, it was july. jodi was in police custody, but sticking to version number 1. >> this is over. you need to tell me the truth. >> the truth is, i didn't hurt travis. the truth -- >> then, the next day. jodi changed her story. >> she talked about two intruders, they attacked travis and her. she was wounded in the incident. he is being stabbed. yelling, and screaming, and telling her to go to the neighbors and get help. >> they didn't dus much. they just argued. >> about what? >> a witness of what? >> him, of travis.

of travis' murder. >> on the show "inside edition." >> i witnessed travis being attacked by two other individuals. >> who? >> i couldn't pick them out in a police lineup. >> she made this bold prediction. >> no jury will convict me. because i am innocent. >> soon we will find out if her prediction was right or wrong. for weeks, she has been making a version three. that she killed travis alexander because she had to. >> story one. i wasn't there. what you are talking about? version number two. all right. i was there. there were two nin jas that came n killed travis, and story three, i was able to do it in

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the million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it. >> while jodi admitted killing travis alexander -- >> did you kill travis alexander on june 4th, 2008? >> yes, i did. >> she claims self defense. that she was forced to kill travis. >> in just those two minutes, jodi had to make a choice. she would either live or she would die. >> in a death penalty case, you want sympathy. you need an explanation for the defendant's actions and what they did. >> the defense's explanation was to blame the victim. >> i wanted to know what he did that would justify her action. >> "in session's" beth karas has been in the courtroom every day of the trial. >> and i want to know, after stabbing him nine times in the back and in the heart and in the abdomen and slicing him and he has defensive wounds, as he's

stumbling down the hall, what was going through your mind when you took that knife and drew it across his throat? >> how long did you date travis for? >> i would say about seven to eight months. >> the defense called witnesses, including a mormon ex-girlfriend, to try and shatter the image of travis as the pure mormon man. what they claimed was nothing more than a facade. >> let's talk about the first time you broke up. what was the reason for that? >> um, i came to the understanding that he was cheating on me. >> do you know who he was cheating with? >> yes. >> who was that? >> jodi arias. >> jodi was travis' dirty little secret. despite projecting himself as a good and virginal mormon man, someone who is a temple member, from the moment he met jodi, he was pushing and pushing her to

have a sexual relationship with him. >> travis alexander, there's no question he was conflicted. he was trying to be a good mormon, and probably was. except when it came to jodi arias who would have sex with him. and they kept it a secret. but if this got out, and if people knew about this, it would hurt his reputation in his community. it would hurt his standing in his church, in his social circle. it might have hurt him professionally. >> in your religion, is premarital sex allowed? >> no. >> did travis claim to be a virgin? >> yes, he did. >> did he seem happy to be a virgin? >> yes. >> and did he seem proud? >> yes. >> why don't we just talk for a little bit about happy things and get normalized for a moment. and then we'll see where it takes us. >> the defense with jodi on the

stand also used travis' own words to attack his character. >> when you hear this call, it's crucial to understand the difference. the difference between the type of person that travis portrayed himself to be versus the things that he said on this recorded call. >> that was hot. that actually sounds like -- the way you moan there sounds like -- sounds like a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. it's so hot. >> jodi's attorneys argue that travis was just the last in a long line of people, family and boyfriends, who had physically and mentally abused jodi. >> it appears their strategy was that everything that happened in her life, from her childhood and through all the relationships with men, culminated in this killing.

>> your life was pretty ideal up until about age 7. was there something different after age 7? >> i think that's the first year my dad started using a belt. >> jodi told the court that her brawny father inflicted great pain. >> as soon as i became a teenager, my dad would get rougher and rougher. he would just shove me into furniture, sometimes into the piano, or things like that. into tables, chairs, desks, whatever was around, he would just push me really hard and i would go flying into that. >> and with her mother looking on from the front row, jodi also accused her of being abusive. >> my mom began to carry a wooden spoon in her purse. if we were misbehaving, she would use it on us. >> what do you mean by use it on you? >> she would hit us with it. >> she hit you hard? >> it felt pretty hard, yes. >> she said those spankings by

her mother and her father left welts and painful memories. >> how did you feel when your own mother was beating you? >> when i was younger, i remember feeling -- i didn't have a word for it then. but i can describe it as betrayed. and confused. and as i got a little bit older, it would just really make me mad. >> jodi portrayed herself as the victim of a string of bad choices when it came to men. describing one abusive relationship after another. especially travis alexander. admitting that she loved him, despite his being what she described as demeaning, physically abusive and controlling. >> he body-slammed me on the floor at the foot of his bed, called me a bitch and kicked me in the ribs. and that hurt.

>> a somber jodi recalled that the day travis baptized her, what was supposed to be a new beginning, turned out to be more of the same. >> i was in my church clothes, he was in his church clothes. the kissing got more passionate and more intense and then he spun me around and, um -- he bent me over the bed and he was just on top of me. i didn't think anything was -- that he was just going to keep kissing me. he began to have anal sex with me. and -- >> after this encounter on this spiritual day, how did you feel about yourself? >> after he left, shortly after he left, i felt -- i didn't feel

very good. kind of felt like a used piece of toilet paper. >> for the victim's family sitting in the courtroom, the portrayal of an allegedly domineering and sexual travis was difficult to hear. >> do me a favor and take a look at this exhibit and see if you recognize it. >> text messages from travis appearing to treat jodi as his sex slave. >> he says that this photo shoot is going to be one of the best experiences of your life and his. he also says you'll rejoice in being a whore that sole purpose in life is to have animal sex with and to please me in any way i desire. >> the defense is trying, literally, to trash travis. >> you're still willing to be tied to a tree, if that's what he wanted. >> attack his character. >> assertive, aggressive and authoritative.

make the jury dislike him. >> he said i looked like a pure whore. >> hate him, loathe him. because he's the bad guy. he's the evil-doer. he's the sexual deviant. this guy is bad news. and he is the one who ruined jodi arias' life. he's the one that made her do it. >> to the defense, it was travis, the monster. jodi, his victim. but to the prosecution, it was all an unsustainable lie. >> when do you decide to tell the truth? when you were in this court and no place else? is that what i'm hearing from you? >> no. >> next, exposing jodi's lies. >> just because you're in this court doesn't mean you have to tell the truth. i mean, that's what you're telling us, right? >> that's not what i'm telling anyone. sales event has begun.

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this was jodi arias on "inside edition" in 2008. >> no jury is going to convict me. >> why not? >> because i'm innocent, and you can mark my words on that one. no jury will convict me. >> this is jodi arias now. >> i made that statement in september, 2008, i believe it was. and at the time i had plans to commit suicide. so i was extremely confident that no jury would convict me, because i didn't expect any of you to be here.

>> in that you're saying that you're going to not be convicted because you're going to commit suicide. >> that's correct. >> you're saying that you're innocent, right? >> yes. >> and you believe that no jury would convict you because you are going to lie your way out of it, right? >> no. >> objection, argumentative. >> sustained. >> jodi arias has since admitted to killing travis alexander. but claimed it was a justified, split-second decision to save her own life. >> the road to the death penalty here is paved with premeditation. that's what the prosecution has to prove. so where do they go for premeditation? >> they go to what they say was jodi's attempt at a cover-up. like wanting a less conspicuous rental car for the drive to travis' house. >> you didn't want the color red. >> yes. >> correct? the color red seems to stand out, doesn't it? >> i don't know. i just heard they get more tickets. >> right. and so it had to do with the police department, right? you did not want to stand out.

>> borrowing gas cans from a former boyfriend. >> the gas cans. she didn't want to leave any trace behind that she was ever in arizona, because story number one was i wasn't there. so she fills the gas cans up with gas so she doesn't have to stop at any gas stations in arizona. >> and just hours after killing travis, calling his cell phone and leaving a message. >> this is exhibit number 365. >> my phone died, so i wasn't getting back to anybody. and -- i drove 100 miles in the wrong direction, over 100 miles, thank you very much. so, yeah, i'm in new mexico. it was a lot like that. only you weren't here to prevent me from going into the three digits. unfun. tell you about that later. >> and the reason you went to great lengths to do that, if there was any suspicion, it wouldn't be drawn to you, correct? >> not immediately. that was the point, yes. >> right. you wanted to -- the police to look elsewhere, right? >> i guess.

>> and so you called mr. alexander, and you left him a message, right? >> yes. >> all right. let me know. and i'll talk to you soon! bye. >> end of message. to delete this message, press 7. to save it in the archives, press 9. >> but jodi's effort at a cover-up didn't work. ultimately, she confessed, and took the jury step by step through the grisly details of the killing. starting with her dropping travis' new camera. >> at that point, travis flipped out again. he stood up and he stepped out of the shower and he picked me up as he was screaming that i was a stupid idiot. and he body-slammed me again on the tile. he told me that a 5-year-old can hold a camera better than i can.

as he was screaming at me, there was spit coming out or maybe it was water. but i was getting wet. and when i hit the tile, i rolled over on the side and started running down the hallway. so i ran into the closet and i slammed the door. and as soon as i got in there, i began to run. i remembered where he kept a gun. >> according to jodi, she had discovered the weapon on a previous visit. >> and she said she would -- she was cleaning in his closet and she found it on a shelf, this gun. and it was a .25 caliber gun. >> i grabbed the gun. i ran out of the closet. he was chasing me. i turned around and we were in the middle of the bathroom. i pointed it at him with both of my hands. i thought that would stop him. if someone were pointing a gun at me, i would stop. he just kept running. he got -- like a linebacker. he got kind of low and grabbed my waist. but he did that, he was lunging at me, the gun went off.

>> there is zero evidence, independent evidence, evidence other than words out of jodi arias' mouth, that establish travis alexander as a gun owner. there is none. >> your grandfather also had guns, didn't he? >> prosecutor juan martinez's theory is that one week before killing travis, jodi had staged a burglary at the home she shared with her grandparents. >> you heard what items were taken, including a .25 caliber handgun. you heard that, right? >> yes, i heard that. >> prosecutors were questioning this burglary because they believe the .25 caliber gun that was allegedly stolen from her grandfather's house was actually the gun used by jodi arias to shoot alexander. >> when travis' body was found in the shower, there was only one bullet wound, but almost 30 knife wounds. and he had nearly been decapitated.

an unforgettable scene that jodi claims she doesn't remember. >> i have no memory of stabbing him. i was in the bathroom. i remember dropping the knife, and it clanged to the tile. it made a big noise. and i just remember screaming. i don't remember anything after that. there's a lot of that day that i don't remember. there are a lot of gaps. like i don't know if i blacked out or what. there's a huge gap. >> she had such memory recall of things from years before, details of meals and how many people were in the elevator, what happened on this date and what kind of sex she had on that date. and when it came to slicing and stabbing travis alexander 29 times, she had no recollection.

>> are you saying that you're having a hard time remembering things that are happening now that you've shot him? >> yes. >> so it appears then that your memory becomes faulty immediately upon you shooting him. >> yeah, things get very foggy from there. >> that's -- immediately -- the shot takes him down, and it creates a fog for you. is that what you're saying? >> it begins to create a fog. >> you said that, right? what right do you have to do that? you seem to have a double standard here. >> martinez was relentless about jodi's memory lapses. >> even though you're in a fog, i'm asking whether you acknowledge that you removed the gun from the crime scene. >> yes. >> if you were in a fog, and you had -- didn't know what you were doing, why take the gun, ma'am? >> the prosecution also attacked jodi's claims of self defense.

>> how can you assert self defense when you can't even describe what you're defending yourself against? really. she cannot describe any of the slashings and stabbings. and what justified that. >> does that date refresh your recollection -- >> martinez used his cross-examination of jodi to try to take apart the defense's story of an abusive travis. >> she claims that her disfigured ring finger on her left hand was caused by travis alexander in a domestic violence incident. >> could you hold up your hand for us so we could see? >> she had shown her still crooked finger to the jury. but martinez confronted her with this picture. no bent finger. taken months after the alleged incident. >> you don't have a bent finger here in exhibit 453, do you? >> my finger is bent there. >> you're saying that your finger is bent there. >> yes. >> ms. arias, please take the

stand. >> after days of tough questioning and gripping testimony, the defense would try to bring the sympathetic jodi back to the witness stand. >> please be seated. >> next -- >> you write that travis, you're beautiful on the inside and outside. did you mean that? >> yes. all right that's a fifth-floor problem... ok. not in my house! ha ha ha! ha ha ha! no no no! not today! ha ha ha! ha ha ha! jimmy how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? happier than dikembe mutumbo blocking a shot. get happy. get geico.

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you communicated for example, that travis alexander -- that you saw him masturbating to a picture or pictures of young boys, correct? >> i only saw one picture. >> that's a lie, isn't it, ma'am? >> i wish it was a lie. >> ma'am, were you crying when you were shooting him? grilled on the stand. >> when you cut his throat, were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> sobbing as prosecutor juan martinez went on the attack. >> you're the one that did this, right? >> yes. >> so then take a look at it. please be seated. >> finally, the storm subsided. and on day 14, jodi returned to her comfort zone with her attorney, kirk nurmi, taking over questioning. >> did you make a conscious decision that i want to kill travis alexander?

>> no, that was never a thought. >> the contrast couldn't greater, juan martinez going off, right, right. and then kirk nurmi, puts on the brakes, we're going to slow things down a little bit, give jodi arias some space to breathe. >> the prosecution had painted jodi as a self-serving, calculated liar. so nurmi immediately went into operation image repair. >> you were asked several questions about taking personal responsibility and how you blamed everyone else. >> he said jodi had been brave to testify at all. >> were you forced to testify? >> no. >> did you do so with the idea that the lies you told would be called into question? >> yes.

>> the truth is, jodi arias had to testify in this case. she is claiming self defense. there's no videotape and there's no independent witnesses. the only way you get to argue self defense is with some evidence of it. and the only evidence of self defense in this case had to come from one place and one place only. jodi arias' mouth. >> arias had a lot to explain. like writing the victim a personal note. and delivering it at his memorial. >> you write that "travis, you're beautiful on the inside and out." did you mean that?

>> yes. >> this letter and other things she has said and written are mind-boggling. she slaughtered this man. and she almost cut his head off. and she's acting like, oh, i love you, and the world is a better place -- hello! she didn't want anyone else to have him if she couldn't have him. the world's a better place, in her mind, because no other woman can have him now. >> there were other times -- >> then jodi reminded everyone just how violent she says travis really was. >> were you kicked while you were on the ground? >> once i was, yes. >> next, travis alexander's appetite for sex took center stage. >> fantasy or is this reality? >> arias no longer needed to describe the explicit details. >> you got to admit, there's not many guys who would do that. >> travis would speak for himself. >> you cannot say i don't work that booty. oh, honey, the pictures i'm going to take are so hot. >> one graphic fantasy after another. >> i didn't like the pop rocks as much as i liked the tootsie roll pop, though. >> pix too. >> i'm going to get some great shots. start touching yourself. i mean, it's gonna be like

legitimate porn. >> you weren't enjoying that physically, you were enjoying the attention you were getting from him, is that correct? >> and it doesn't end there. the defense wants to make it known that travis alexander finds pleasure in pain. >> i [ bleep ] off every day, sometimes two or three times a day. >> are you serious? >> there's been many times where you can like -- i could have raped you. >> nurmi's point, that travis alexander wanted to have jodi any time he wanted her, unconcerned with how she was feeling. >> this was bad. you've got the victim talking about raping the defendant. you've got the recording. the jury hears it. the jury sees it. again, this turns the attention away from jodi arias on to travis alexander. who is the bad one here? is it jodi arias or is it the guy who is talking about raping jodi arias?

>> but to kill mr. alexander because of him attacking you -- >> jodi provided a teary explanation for why she feels guilt, despite pleading self defense. >> what in your mind did you do that was wrong? >> i feel like maybe it should have been me, and that maybe -- that i made it out of there. and i didn't have a choice, but i -- maybe i did have a choice. i could have just let him do what he was going to do and not fought back. >> it seemed one juror, at least, wasn't buying it. >> juror number one. this is one of the seven women. she sits in the front row, in the seat closest to the witness box. and this woman is just like a big -- not even covering her mouth. a big yawn. it's like oh, no, please. i don't know how many people caught it, but some of us did.

>> did you want to kill him on june 4th, 2008? >> no. >> objection, asked and answered. >> sustained. >> then why did it happen? >> i just remember panicking, and i remember thinking he's angry. and i remember him coming after me, and he was coming after me and he was coming after me and he wasn't stopping. >> did you have any other choice? >> when i was cornered, i didn't feel like i did. >> next, the jury's questions. >> would you decide to tell the truth if you never got arrested? >> i honestly don't know the answer to that question. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact.

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>> questions posed not by the prosecutors or the defense, but by the jury. >> how do you determine when you will tell the truth and when you will not tell the truth? arizona is a hand full of state that is allows jurors to ask question, including those facing the death penalty. >> on every trial, the most dramatic moment is when the jury speaks, when they deliver their verdict. this week was pretty close to that. >> why did you take the rope and gun with you? >> it's rare that jurors ask questions. it's rare that a criminal defendant takes the stand and it's rare that someone is facing the death penalty. >> why didn't you call 911? >> i have never in all of my years on trying cases or reporting on cases seen anything like this. >> as the judge peppered jodi arias with more than 200 questions submitted by the jury -- >> did you ever take pictures of yourself after he hit you? >> no i did not.

>> -- jodi was pressed to detail her relationship with the victim, travis alexander. and the circumstances surrounding his brutal death. >> why would you continue to sleep with travis after you learned of his child porn issues? >> that was not a side of travis that he wanted to even exist. >> they're taking her story and the different times she's testified and matching it up against prior testimony. but you said this over here, but then you said that over here. which is it? it's almost as if this jury is giving jodi arias another round of cross-examination. >> do you know what time you left travis' house on june 4, 2008? >> i don't remember the exact time. >> what happened to the clothes you were wearing on june 4, 2008?

>> i don't remember. >> you say travis had attacked you before june 4, 2008, but would apologize to you after he did it, so why was the june 4, 2008, incident so different? >> june 4th was escalated. on prior occasions, i never feared for my life. it wasn't until after that incident when i reflected back on it that i realized i could have died. >> no matter how many times they herd her version of the crime, they wanted to hear it again. they wanted her to walk them through it. >> this case comes down to those seconds, no more than two minutes inside the bathroom. that's what this case is all about. what happened in travis alexander's master bathroom and was jodi arias reasonable in her reaction? >> it started, jodi says, after she dropped travis' new camera. >> he got very angry. and he stepped out of the shower. he lifted me up from the crouch position and he body slammed me on the tile. >> jodi says she ran for the gun in travis' closet as he pursued her.

>> i just wanted him to stop. so i pointed the gun at him, hoping that that would just make him halt. and it didn't. instead he lunged at me, right around the time that the gun went off. and i didn't mean for it to go off. >> why not run out of the house to get away? >> after i shot him, after the gun went off, we fell over and he was trying to get on top of me. it's hard to describe the fear. it was like mortal terror. >> would you agree that you came away from the june 4 incident rather unscathed while travis suffered a gunshot and multiple stab wounds? >> as far as making comparison of physical injuries, him versus mind, yes, i would have to say that's a relatively accurate assessment.

>> i thought that the majority of these jury questions were just oozing with skepticism. i mean, listening to the way they're asking it, you could almost hear the attitude in the questions. >> would you decide to tell the truth if you never got arrested? >> i honestly don't know the answer to that question. >> it's so interesting to watch jodi arias in court because with almost every single answer, she turns to the jury and answers it. why is she doing that and will that be beneficial to her? >> the more they are interacting with her -- and i say interacting -- she's looking at them day in and day out/perhaps the less likely they will send her to the death chamber. >> ladies and gentlemen, are there any other questions from the jury at this time? mr. nurmi, you may follow up. >> now kirk nurmi asked jodi the only question that seemed to matter.

>> so, jodi, that is the ultimate question, why should anybody believe you now? >> like i said before, all of my -- i lied a lot in the beginning. and each of those lies tied back directly to two things, travis and protecting his ego -- i mean, his reputation -- and my own, partially. and, two, related to any involvement in his death. so i understand that there will always be questions. but all i can do at this point is say what happened to the best of my recollection and if i'm convicted, then that's because of my own bad choices -- >> objection, out of the scope of the relevance. >> sustained.

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