honey boo boo is any more dysfunctional than some of the more glitzy families on reality tv right now. >> absolutely. >> dean, not everyone is happy about the shows. you have critics saying they're furthering negative stereotypes. what say ye to those folks sm. >> you have joe mansion wrote a letter to mtv to stop their show, buck wild. i'm from jersey. we complained about jersey shore forever. doesn't work. they don't care. hollywood is making money. the only reason jersey shore is off the air is because americans got tired of watching guys hooking up in hot tubs with self-tanners. be honest, hollywood is about making money and redneck is making green money. that's all they care about. >> i mean, one of the reasons you wrote this is because you were a little surprised to see that all of these shows are on tv given how hollywood has portrayed rednecks as we will affectionately say in the past. >> sure.

i think every minority group is very aware of how they're portrayed on television or in the movies. i'm half italian and we had objections to certain things. i'm arab american, obviously a ton of stuff there. when you think aboutt rednecks are probably the most demonized group in television and film. invariably portrayed as morons, inbreeds or bigots. we're seeing a positive side. i know people cringe watching it, but there's a lot of endearing moments. you're seeing real families. the only reason that hollywood cares about these people is because they're making money. at the end of the day, that's what it's about. i'm grateful in a way that they're showing rednecks, we're seeing a different side and hopefully in time the reality show factory will show every other group. we'll all get a chance. >> we'll all -- >> you too, brianna. >> we'll all get a shot. dean you better redneck niez.

>> dean object deidallah, thank much. you can read more of him. state of the union with candy state of the union with candy crowley start right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the all-american version. today the president breaks bread with republicans. the white house calls it a change of approach. republicans call it a good foundation. what do democrats say? >> he can diffuse some of their opposition to some of these issues, bravo. >> our conversation with the top democrat in the house minority leader nancy pelosi. plus, as the president reaches out to rank and file republicans, where does that leave their leadership in our sunday exclusive with house majority whip, kevin mccarthy. then, he reemerges pushing a new book on immigration wars and raising eyebrows for not saying mo to a presidential run.

>> who knows what the future holds for me. i'm excited that we're seeing the renewal of the conservative movement in the republican party. i want to be part of that for sure. >> 2016 and the state of the republican party with former florida governor, jeb bush. plus, the long road to the next election. rand paul long talk in the senate and no more long lines for white house tours. with our political panel. anita dunn, newt gingrich, alex castellanos and donna brazile. i'm candy crowley. and this is state of the union. president obama will make the trek to capitol hill later this week. he'll speak to both republican and democratic members of congress. it's a new tact that the president is taking apparently trying to woo rather than blame members of the legislative branch. will work? earlier i spoke with nancy pelosi about the president's outreach. >> a lot of talk about the president reaching out to republicans. do you think that this in any way undercuts leadership?

>> no. no. absolutely not. the president has always been very respectful of the views of the republicans and the congress. their leadership and their membership. he has always tried to accommodate them. this idea that, but for that we would have gotten all these other things done is just really not reality. >> sound like you don't think these meetings will work. >> i think the meetings are a good idea because you understand each other better and you may get a measure of courage. around here, it's all about courage. who is going to really vote what they believe. and fight for what they believe. and so i think everybody takes a measure of each other at some of these meetings. they are not -- not having the meetings is not why we haven't had progress before. we haven't had progress before because the republicans were committed to blocking the initiatives of president obama. do you think that given

these meetings, he's looking -- there's two ways to look at the meetings with the president. the first is that he's looking for, like-minded republicans where he might find common ground. the other is that he wants to get to next year when he has committed to you lots of resources including his personal time to return the house to democratic hands. ha this is just another way to say, well, i talked to them they still won't do anything. what i really want is a democratic congress. help me here. >> i think it's important to note that we all come here to get a job done for the american people. certainly, that is the case with the president of the united states. he he's been very bipartisan in his approach. i think that these meetings are not something to say, i'll do this with them now and do this later. i think it's let's get things done to make elections less important. let come together for the benefit of the american people first and foremost. that's our responsibility. so if he can diffuse some of

their opposition to some of these issues, bravo, again for the american people that we can get a job done. that's far more important than what happens in an election. >> well, it is -- i guess the reason i'm asking it is so many people pointed to when mitch mcconnell said his number one goal was to see that the president was a one-term president. the president has committed to you and others that he wants to do what he can to help turn the house democratic. isn't that kind of the same thing? no it isn't at all it is completely different. thank you for the question. it's completely different. because when mitch mcconnell said that, he was talking about stopping, obstructing initiatives to create jobs, stopping initiatives that would show bipartisanship on the part of the president. he wanted -- they want to show that he couldn't come to agreement with the republicans

simply -- it didn't matter what the subject was, they were not going to support it. the role of the leader of the party and the country is the president of the united states. >> you don't see this right away turning into a legislative breakthroughs on big deals about the budget or any of that stuff? >> i certainly hope it will. i certainly hope it will. i hope that it will create confidence that we can go forward with immigration reform, issues that relate to ending gun violence and to name two that are imminent and hopefully will have a path to have other legislation that helps to create jobs, to make our country more secure economically and in terms of our national security. so no, i certainly hope that it would. because one success can breed another success. respect for each other's views. putting something together that is a compromise, a collaboration. that's what we come here to do. >> certainly, i think i could

hear a lot of republicans saying that same thing. we're here to be collaborative, et cetera, et cetera. >> i haven't heard them say that. maybe they say it to you. >> let me ask you about one issue that's out there, which is the continuing resolution to keep the government in business. you voted against it because you worry that it includes these automatic budget cuts. >> sequester. >> sequester. that it doesn't help the domestic side where the cuts are just sort of across the board. if the senate should include some budget bills that dealt with, well-being maybe we can save this program and cut more from this program, could you see your way clear to approving the cr at the current levels, which is to say including the automatic budget cut up top line? >> i'm as concerned about the approach to defense as well as to our domestic budget.

we certainly are not going to have the government shut down. when we weigh the equities of the value of the bill, it's almost impossible for it not to be a better bill than what is written by the house republicans. but they will have to send a bipartisan bill in order to get the 60 votes. i'm sure it will be stronger. again, depending on what it is and how many republican votes it has, i've said very clearly, the democrats will not allow government to shut down. >> finally, just on the issue of entitlements, do you think if there is reform in entitlements, that you can deliver most of your caucus? >> i would characterize what you hear in our caucus, we don't want to hurt beneficiaries. we certainly want to strengthen medicare, social security, medicaid. we want to make them more fiscally sound. we want to make sure that for the purpose that they have been instituted, they're honoring

that purpose and the beneficiary are getting their money's worth. >> but we put a great deal in the affordable care act to address the rising cost of health care in our country. rising cost of health care in our country is the biggest contributor to the increase in cost in medicare. so stopping the drastic increase in the cost of health care is important for our whole economy and health care, especially important when it comes to medicare. it's already working. .4%, the rate of increase, much slower than it had been and as i say, medicaid not increasing. now we want to do better than that. and so that's how -- if the point is to go to the table and strengthen these institutions, these pillars of economic and health security for the great middle class, which is the backbone of our democracy, it's all about the middle class, then let's sit down and do that. if the point of it is to take trophies, let's raise the age, that doesn't save money. ut a trophy, it's a scalp.

but it's not a solution. so owe. >> you're against it? >> raising the age, i am very much against. but in terms of putting it on the table and keeping these things sound and guaranteed, we're all for that. we're not there to make them cash cows to give tax breaks to the wealthiest people in our country and say we're balancing the budget. >> leader pelosi, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. my pressure. when we return, the president continues to extend an olive branch to congress. is it part of a broader strategy to take the house in 2014. we'll ask the republican whip, kevin mccarthy, he's up next. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?!

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fictitious manipulative house majority whip. the real life house majority whip, kevin mccarthy of californ california. you tell me you gave him that line. i didn't deliver it that way but i gave him that line, wre. >> what you most don't like is surprises. i understand, every whip says don't surprise me about what your vote is. let me talk to you about that. you're in charge of keeping your caucus in line or knowing who is going to vote how. when it comes to major issues from the senate as the speaker has said he wants, immigration, very important to republicans. gun control, very important to republicans. if a bill is sent to the house that you know the majority of your caucus will not vote for, will the speaker still put it on the floor. >> the speaker has talked about, it's better if the house does their work. we should be sending bills to the senate. it's better if the house works the way it's designed. where the house passes the bill.

>> see how the senate does this. >> if the house passes the bill and the senate passes the bill, then it goes to conference. many times, the senate talks of things and never gets anything through. take the budget for instance. it's been four years since they passed the budget. >> sure. but i guess my question, is there anything -- if they come up with an immigration bill and you're all unable to, so it comes to your side, if that bill will not gather the majority of republicans, would the speaker put it on the floor anyway? >> the speaker says he wants to, if you listen to his press conference the other day, he will pass bills that the house passes. he will pass bills -- i wouldn't underestimate passing the house bill. i think there's an opportunity to move the ball as well. >> i think i'm not going to get a straight answer to that question. let move on to something i might. what do you make of the president's term offensive? what do you think's behind it?

>> any time both parties are talking, it's a good thing. this should have happened four years ago but i'm glad it's happening. is this genuine or about politics? >> which is it? >> the president spends a lot of time on the road, about politics. he walked off his campaign election, election night after giving a speech and made two phone calls, nancy pelosi, and steve israel, the head of the democratic campaign committee. is this about winning the house or governing for all of america? >> could be both. >> it very well could be. >> could be he'd love to have a deal with you all but if you don't make it, he says i tried to make a deal. i need a democratic house. >> if there's an opportunity for both sides to come together to find the common ground for america. if the president thinks he talks to new people, but the question is he's he wants to raise taxes, he'll get the same answer. if the president says where can we find common ground, he'll like the answer that he gets. >> do you think that the president is trying to help the republican leadership by going to the rank and file or do you

think he's trying to go around you this. >> the president always likes to play politics. i think he'll continue to play that political game. he'll want to talk to as many people as possible. >> is he trying to cherry pick republicans who he thinks might come with him on things that the leadership or the more conservative parts of your caucus might oppose? >> i haven't seen him talk to enough people. look, democrats were more excited that he invited a democrat to the white house. he's got problems on both sides of the aisle. he doesn't know very many people in the house. he knows more people in the senate because he served there a few years. >> it's republicans that he's taking to dinner. senate republicans. >> he's coming to the house conference which i think is positive. he's done that once before. he should come and listen and communicate and try to find where we can find common ground. where can we bring that accountability back to government? that's what republicans are looking for. >> let me ask you about paul ryan's budget that is coming out next week. we're led to believe that he

wants to change the age cutoff for changing medicare benefits. will that be in the bill? >> no. he will -- if you are at or near retirement, there is no difference for you. >> give me an age. >> 55. >> it remains the same. he couldn't sell a higher age. >> no. where you have to focus is, we'll pass a budget that balances in ten years. the democrats and the senate have never passed a budget. it's been more than four years. now that we've passed no budget, mo pay, even though the speaker thinks it's undignified. when they're going to pass a budget, we'll never balance. >> what you have here also as you heard nancy approximate he lows i say, when it comes to things like entitlements, she's not prepared to do anything that would change medicare benefits. she said to do that, it's a trophy. it's a scalp, it doesn't mean anything. >> so nancy wants medicare to go

bankrupt? we'll not allow that. we will preserve and protect medicare and social security. that's why when you look at our budget, we make an investment. we make sure it's there for the next generation and we protect it for the current generation as well. if you ignore the problem, you're saying you support bankruptcy. >> if the senate returns to you a continuing resolution which essentially means that the government will stay in business through september and the cuts remain in there, the $85 billion in automatic cuts remain there, but below that line there's some shifting around so that it kind of eases sort of the sting of some of these cuts, would the house caucus, republican caucus still support it? >> the first thing we'll look at is the dollar amount there? i would advise them don't play around that much. you're giving flexibility the same way we to dod and some areas have been conferenced, the house and senate worked together on it, we'll look at those. it will be an opportunity to see

if it meets that criteria. >> would be open to changes about how that money is taken out of the government? >> our bottom line is to make sure we're able to cut two cents out of every dollar. >> let me ask you, republican party chairman is doing an autopsy about what happened. what went wrong in 2012. polling shows that basically the public mostly blames republicans for government failings. what does -- just talk about your side of congress. what do you think you all can do to change the image of the republican party? >> not just talk to the mind, but also talk to the heart. many times we spend so much time on policy. but we don't explain how the policy affects and makes the heart even grow bigger. i think that's a place that we have to look inside. that's a place we have to show that our policy affects all americans and it's not just about a republican party, it's about growing an american country that's stronger, putting us back to work, having a better

education system. an america for all. >> you don't think it's policy. you think it's presentation. >> you can always -- the party is a big tent party. i mean, i look to an example, what rand paul did on the floor this week was fantastic. >> it got criticized by two republicans. >> you know what, i think those who criticized him were wrong. i think the democrats were wrong that a lot of them didn't join with him. this was an american issue that he stood up about this president and wanted an answer and an idea of civil liberties. if we embrace a little more of our libertarian views, we'll go forward. >> congressman kevin mccarthy, the house majority whip, the real one, thanks for coming. thanks for having me. jeb bush in 2010 on why he wasn't going to run for president. >> i got to be governor for eight years. it took about two years to get it. get the job. that's a decade out of my life

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joining me now former florida governor jeb bush. governor, it's good to see you. i want to talk first about what i understand your position on undocumented workers to be as washington sets forth on trying to come up with some kind of immigration reform. you don't want any kind of plan that would encourage further entry by undocumented workers, is that correct? >> that's exactly right. the incentives that exist today are for people to come illegally because there's no path for them to come legally. we don't have a guest worker program. we have lines that are so long and in fact, there are no lines. we have a lottery system where people put their names in. that's the reaction to our immigration system being so clogged up. >> a lot has been made of the idea that immigration reform has

finally found it time in the sun because you all got so clocked in the last election when it comes to the latino vote. i think there's -- and republicans have sort of openly admitted that. but the truth is, this isn't really about the pathway to citizenship who immigration reform, is it? is this not about what everybody has called the empathy gap. people look at the republican party and think mean old white guys, mainly. >> i think that immigration is a gateway issue for people that have some experience in the some part of the immigrant experience. it's a great way issue if you can get past that, you have to make a case on a broader set of issues. whether it's the empathy gap or having a positive agenda, i would argue an opportunity society kind of agenda is what we need. something that's more apparitional. a real focus on transformation of our education system, a tax code that doesn't penalize aspiring small business owners a

regulatory system that only makes large companies able to comply and small businesses choked off. the right to rise ought to be the key of what we're proposing and it would resonate amongst all immigrant communities. >> let me ask you about a couple of things in the news lately. one has been senator rand paul's filibuster seeking answers on a policy on drone use in the u.s. senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that senator mccain was

critical of elements of what senator paul said is fair. but on the other hand, i think he would respect the fact that senator paul got a response from the administration on the key question of whether or not drones could be used against american citizens on american soil. i think it's okay to have a disagreement. you know, we don't march lock step 100% in agreement all the time. but on these broader issues, i think there is broad support and that's what's emerging in the republican party going forward. >> and the president's so-called charm offensive, it's been noted by some folks on capitol hill, republicans, that this is in fact the first time that he's done such a big outreach to republicans. none of them in the leadership by the way. certainly on the senate side. put on your analyst hat for a minute and tell me what you think the president's doing. >> i don't know what he's doing. but i would encourage him to do more of it. it's important to build trust,

approxima if you're trying to deal with big things. big issues require everybody to get outside their comfort zone and people are more willing to do so if they believe that their part mer is sincere in their efforts. the only way to do that is engage them on a personal level. whether anything comes of it, it could have the chancef restoring civility, the first step to problem solving and solutions in our nation's capitol. i'm not a cynic about this. i think it's important and i applaud the president for doing it. i think republicans appreciate it. >> when i last spoke with you it was before 2012 and in fact, you were with your brother, the former president. we talked about whether or not you were going to run for president and you said no way, no how, i don't know how many times i have to say this. i need to make some money and i have projects important to me, among them your education organization. and now we've heard an awful lot about how you are not ruling it out. how are we supposed to take

that? because it certainly seems that you are now entertaining the idea or at least not ruling it out. so what's changed? >> so nothing has changed. when you asked me before 2012 was i going to run in 2012, and i said no. i went through the process and decided it wasn't appropriate. now i've decided to defer any consideration of it until the proper time to make those kind of considerations, which is out more than a year from now for sure. when i go through that process, i'll let you know. i don't know why there has to be a lot of mystery about this. this is how it normally works, i believe. look, i don't know if i'm going to run for elected office again or not. in the interim, i have a blessed life. i have a great family. i get to advocate issues and ideas that i believe in. and i have a great life. who knows what the future holds for me. i'm excited that i think we're seeing the renewal of the conservative movement and the republican party. i want to be part of that for

sure. >> do you have the bug, the elected office bug? >> the elected office bug? i don't know. i haven't given that much thought. i loved being governor. it was a blast. eight years was enough. but it was certainly one of the greatest thrills of my life to be able to serve the people of florida. i miss that from time to time. but as i said, i got a great life right now. >> finally, i have to ask you, we're coming up on the ten-year anniversary of the war in iraq which is widely seen in public opinion polls as a mistake. do you think that will ever change? >> yeah. you know, a lot of things in history change over time. i think people will respect the resolve that my brother showed, both in defending the country and the war in iraq. but history will judge that in a more objective way than today. the war has wound down now and it's still way too early to judge what success it had in providing some degree of stability in the region.

>> former florida governor, jeb bush, thanks so much for speaking with us. >> thanks, candy. jeb bush is the co-author of a new book about immigration. it is titled "immigration wars forging an american solution." up next, the vatican prepares for conclave and later, the white house cancels visitor tours because of forced budget cuts. what do tourists think? we'll be right back. is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin totally dedicated to your eyes, from the eye care experts at bausch + lomb. as you age, eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. now that's a pill worth taking. [ male announcer ] ocuvite. help protect your eye health.

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xvi who retired last month who will be in seclusion until a new pope it elected. another romney is considering a run for office. mitt romney's brother scott may pursue the michigan senate seat being vacated by democratic senator leaf inin 2014. scott romney is a partner at a detroit law firm and never held a public office. when we return, could election 2016 really be clinton versus bush? our political panel anita dunn, newt gingrich, alex castellanos up next. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally.

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you saw my interview with jeb bush when i asked does this rule out a run, he said who knows what the future holds for me but we're seeing the renewal of the movement -- he's been in politics being been around politics. two people, immediate relatives have been president. can we all agree that he's thinking about running for president? >> absolutely. >> sure. >> yes. >> okay. despite -- i thought am i crazy? >> you know, it's funny, because he did a round of interviews and just was shocked, simply shocked that we would think that this was about politics. i wanted to get bipartisan agreement that -- >> he's been very successful governor of florida. he is among the most articulate republicans in the country. he has a huge automatic family base if he does decide to run and he can go out and going to make a lot more noise. if he rushed in here and said i am not a candidate, he also

ain't going to be on interviews. if he wants to have his voice heard, he's doing exactly the right thing and i think he's sincere in early 2015. he's like hillary clinton, he's the one who can decide last. he has the biggest organization. just as hillary can wait until the last possible minute and probably should because she has the biggest possible organization on the democratic side. >> it's interesting to see how quickly the old cast of republicans has moved off the stage and this week we've seen an entirely new one start dominating the news. you know, the marco rubios, the rand pauls, jeb bush is making news in washington again. so for a republican party that's hit bottom, it's nice to see that there's fresh faces and new idea. >> you forgot my home state governor bobby jindal who did a terrific job last night. acquitted himself at the -- he

was very -- >> he was funny. because that's what it's about. >> he was funny. made a point of saying he was saying that he wasn't running for president in all the right places, iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. it is a healthy thing for both parties to have this next generation of leaders coming along. they have to figure out not just their messenger, they have to look seriously at their overall party brand and i think that part of the process of these candidates coming along or potential candidates starting to come along is also starting to reshape that brand which it sorely needs. >> let me ask you about next generations because certainly hillary clinton could not be called part of the next generation. yet, she's the one everyone feels that the democratic race is pretty much frozen until she makes a decision, exception joe biden. want to show you a polala poll. this is february to march 4th. in every case hillary clinton bests chris christie, the

governor of new jersey, paul ryan the former vice presidential candidate. what interests us is these clinton numbers. arguably hillary clinton is as popular a woman in the country as you can get when you ask how do you feel approximate her, because she's been out of politics, she's been secretary of state and she can't break 50% in this poll. what does ha tell you? >> once americans move forward a generation in politics, they almost never move back. this country is all about what's next, land of frontiers. there's a better chance that gavin newsome or martin o'malley will be the next nominee than she or hillary clinton. joe biden, that's one of the reasons she didn't get the nomination from barack obama last time and the world moved even farther along. these numbers are good solid numbers. she's done a tremendous job, i think, as secretary of state. if you ask the american people,

she's worked hard. but she is not the future of the democratic party in many ways she's the past. >> i wouldn't say that. >> i wouldn't say that. >> that's advice from a republican. >> we'll let you have your three cents but not the whole nickel. she would be a strong con den der if she decided to run. there's no question that the democratic party has a lot of talented people, the governors of colorado, governor of new york, mr. cuomo, the senator of new york, the senator of massachusetts. i want to mention all the women as well. >> amy klobuchar. >> she did a fantastic job last night. >> hillary clinton's numbers are very strong given where we're at this moment with the partisanship in this country. she's gaining sfor from independents. she would have generational support among young women. if she decided to run, she's probably the only one to put together the coalition to run. >> just because you worked for her, i'm assuming you would

support her in 2016? >> i think nobody has asked me for my support right now, but i'll say this, which is donna is right about this. if she ran, if she ran, there will be a transformation al effect as there was a transformational with then senator obama when he ran in terms of a female. we saw it in 2008 as well. that was a very, very close race if you look at the popular vote during the primaries. what the polls tell us right now is that people really aren't ready to deal with 2016 as they should not be, and i looked at a cnn poll from march of 2009 looking at the republican primary race and it was sarah palin and mike huckabee. >> i mean, that's what -- you're being so curiously quiet over here. you're an admirer of hillary clinton if not in her policies. i know you worked with her. >> we worked together on health policy and defense policy. the biggest thing i say for our

viewers if you go back to march of 2005, which is the parallel, you could not possibly have picked barack obama. it was inconceivable. >> wouldn't you think a woman in the limelight as long as hillary clinton would poll better at this point when name recognition is everything than 50. >> bush has an automatic advantage and disadvantage. the advantage and disadvantage, they're very well-known. that's an advantage. on the other hand, nobody has seer wrriously started to ask t questions. the minute you do, they become more vulnerable. i think that's a -- they both understand that if they ever are going to run, i don't know if either one will, frankly, they need to run as late as possible. >> right. let me ask you about one of the new faces that was out there. that's rand paul made a lot of news had week, almost 13 hours of a filibuster. he said yeah openly, i'm

considering running for president in 2016. now, his dad had an enormous following, a a passionate following of libertarians but he was not someone who people said here's someone who has a serious charge to be a major contender. is there a difference? >> yes, there is a difference. you can see where they come from. his father had a congressional district that was safe in texas. he could do anything he wanted to, and he went pretty far out on a limb at times to advance his ideas, a libertarian agenda. ran paul is in a state that's not necessarily going to re-elect him if he would do the same thing. it's a bigger pond. a more dangerous pond. you're going to see him more mainstream. you're seeing a new generation of republican who's more comfortable in a libertarian philosophy. ran paul if he ran for president in a nomination and loses, i doubt he'll be able to threaten the democratic party. he won't be able to say, i'll mount a third party bid. a tighter republican party, more

comfortable with libertarianism. this week was marvelous for republicans because what we got to see was an old generation losing power. i'm for cranky older republicans the. >> john mccain. >> ran paul, marco rubio, all of those guys take the senate floor. they didn't defer to the bigger defenses automatically better republicans. >> this is good at two levels. one is, republicans need to get over sitting around passively waiting for their leadership. and to have a ted cruz, to have a ran paul, this is a very healthy ferment from the ground up. i also think the issue he raised is real. conservatives fear big government. the constitution is to control government, not to control the american people. it's perfectly legitimate to say to the attorney general, are there ground rules which limit your ability to kill americans? this is not a trivial question. >> this wholeibuster is that

jimmy carter was one of the first americans who raise questions about our so-called drone use. he wanted to know what are the legal underpinnings. he did that last june and then again in december it was picked up and put-back down. ron lawton, senator from oregon, and the aclu sued the obama administration. ran paul, to his credit, went to the senate well and spent 13 hours driving home this big issue. >> anita, where were the democrats then in this? why didn't they come help him? >> there were democrats. the reality is that he was filibustering on an issue that the white house had fundamentally said they agreed with. they gave him what he wanted which was an explicit statement. there was not a lot of disagreement. i think that this conversation is a healthy one for the

american public and it's a healthy one to be having in washington about the use of the power and i don't think the white house minded it. >> i sincerely need a one-word answer from all of you. we have less than a minute. i wanted to get to these automatic spending cuts. can we agree that these automatic spending cuts are here to stay? it is now a matter of whether congress will give the department the tools to kind of figure out where the cuts are from. the budget cuts are here to stay, yes or no? >> unfortunately they are. they're here and they hurt. >> yes. there won't be a political win from congress. >> fortunately, yes, they're here to stay but the president lost a lot of credibility when he said things like it was so bad he was going to have to cancel joe biden's subscription to the weekly reader. >> white house tours. >> look. i've been adamant that this is being implemented about as stupidly and painfully as possible. the white house tours are a

perfect example. one golfing weekend would have kept them open. >> thank you all very much. up next, nearly 100 years after women fought for voting rights, do they finally have it all? the highest ranking woman in congress weighs in. whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it in the blizzard of '93.

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