write the words that appear under his byline. time warner the parent company of cnn is getting a divorce from time inc which published the company's magazines. after an attempt to sell most of the magazines fell through time warner will create an independent company to publish such titles as "people" spo"spo illustrated" and "time." the ceo says the spinoff will enable time warner to focus on its business while time inc will benefit from the flexibility. what's driving this? the print business is going through a tough time and may never fully bounce back. even the popular "people" magazine saw a 12% decline in news stand sales in the second half of last year. without divisions such as turner broadcasting warner brothers and hbo the magazines will have to make it on their own. maybe we should just make this a weekly award. the dumbest fake story aired by shows without any checking.

last week, it was a pig rescuing a goat. a youtube moment that turned out to be staged by comedy central. it was a woman claiming a $5,000 prize in exchange for allowing an on-line poll to determine the name of her baby. and that was like giving a child candy for dozens of programs such as the "today" show and on cnn and in reports from the "new york daily news" to "the huffington post." >> naming your child is a huge responsibility, can feel like a lot of pressure. one l.a. mom-to-be leaving that stress to on-line voters. >> about the single pregnant mom from oregon, this competition with this website called belly ballot. >> turns out the pregnant mom natasha hill was natasha lloyd an actress playing with the stunt for the website belly ballot. i understand these shows can't conduct a full-fledged investigation for every feature that comes along, an old saying in journalism if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

itunes store. we are back next sunday morning 11:00 a.m. eastern for another critical look at the media. "state of the union" with candy crowley begins right now. >> the all-american version. today the president breaks bread with republicans. the white house calls it a change of approach. republicans call it a good foundation. what do democrats say? >> if he can diffuse some of their opposition to some of these issues, bravo. >> our conversation with the top democrat in the house minority leader nancy pelosi. plus, as the president reaches out to rank and file republicans, where does that leave their leadership in our sunday exclusive with house majority whip, kevin mccarthy. then, he reemerges pushing a new book on immigration wars and raising eyebrows for not saying no to a presidential run. >> who knows what the future holds for me.

i'm excited that i think we're seeing the renewal of the conservative movement in the republican party. i want to be part of that for sure. >> 2016 and the state of the republican party with former florida governor, jeb bush. plus, the long road to the next election. rand paul long talk in the senate and no more long lines for white house tours. with our political panel. anita dunn, newt gingrich, alex castellanos and donna brazile. i'm candy crowley. and this is "state of the union." president obama will make the trek to capitol hill later this week. he'll speak to both republican and democratic members of congress. it's a new tact that the president is taking apparently trying to woo rather than blame members of the legislative branch. will it work? earlier i spoke with house minority leader nancy pelosi about the president's outreach. >> a lot of talk about the president reaching out to republicans. do you think that this in any way undercuts leadership? >> no.

>> yours? >> no, no. absolutely not. the president has always been very respectful of the views of the republicans and the congress. their leadership and their membership. he has always tried to accommodate them. this idea that, but for that we would have gotten all these other things done is just really not reality. >> sound like you don't think these meetings will work. >> i think the meetings are a good idea because you understand each other better and you may get a measure of courage. around here, it's all about courage. who is going to really vote what they believe. and fight for what they believe. and so i think everybody takes a measure of each other at some of these meetings. they are not -- not having the meetings is not why we haven't had progress before. we haven't had progress before because the republicans were committed to blocking the initiatives of president obama. do you think that given these meetings, he's looking --

there's two ways to look at the meetings with the president. the first is that he's looking for, like-minded republicans where he might find common ground. the other is that he wants to get to next year when he has committed to you lots of resources including his personal time to return the house to democratic hands. that this is just another way to say, well, i talked to them and they still won't do anything. what i really want is a democratic congress. help me here. >> i think it's important to note that all of us come here to get a job done for the american people, and certainly, that is the case with the president of the united states. he's been very bipartisan in his approach. i think that these meetings are not something to say, i'll do this with them now and do this later. i think it is let's get some things done together to make elections less important. let's come together for the benefit of the american people first and foremost. that's our responsibility. so if he can diffuse some of

their opposition to some of these issues, bravo, again for the american people that we can get a job done. that's far more important than what happens in an election. >> well, it is -- i guess the reason i'm asking it is so many people pointed to when mitch mcconnell said his number one goal was to see that the president was a one-term president. the president has committed to you and others that he wants to do what he can to help turn the house democratic. isn't that kind of the same thing? >> no, it isn't at all. >> that you shouldn't look at the prism of the next election. >> no, it's completely different, but thank you for the question. it's completely different. because when mitch mcconnell said that, he was talking about stopping, obstructing initiatives to create jobs, stopping initiatives that would show bipartisanship on the part of the president. they want to show that he couldn't make -- come to agreement with the republicans

simply -- didn't matter what the subject was. they were not going to support it. the role of the leader of the party and the country is the president of the united states. >> you don't see this right away turning into a legislative breakthroughs on big deals about the budget or any of that stuff? >> i certainly hope it will. i certainly hope it will. i hope that it will create confidence that we can go forward with immigration reform, issues that relate to ending gun violence and to name two that are imminent and hopefully will have a path to have other legislation that helps to create jobs, to make our country more secure economically and in terms of our national security. so no, i certainly hope that it would. because one success can breed another success. respect for each other's views. putting something together that is a compromise, a collaboration.

that's what we come here to do. >> certainly, i think i could hear a lot of republicans saying that same thing. we're here to be collaborative, et cetera, et cetera. >> i haven't heard them say that. maybe they say it to you. >> let me ask you about one issue that's out there, which is the continuing resolution to keep the government in business. you voted against it because you worry that it includes these automatic budget cuts. >> sequester. >> sequester. that it doesn't help the domestic side where the cuts are just sort of across the board. if the senate should include some budget bills that dealt with, well maybe we can save this program and cut more from this program, could you see your way clear to approving the cr at the current levels, which is to say including the automatic budget cut up top line? >> well, i'm as concerned about the approach to defense as well as to our domestic budget.

we certainly are not going to have the government shut down. when we weigh the equities of the value of the bill, it's almost impossible for it not to be a better bill than what is written by the house republicans. but they will have to send a bipartisan bill in order to get the 60 votes. i'm sure it will be stronger. again, depending on what it is and how many republican votes it has, i've said very clearly, the democrats will not allow government to shut down. >> finally, just on the issue of entitlements, do you think if there is reform in entitlements, that you can deliver most of your caucus? >> i would characterize what you hear in our caucus, we don't want to hurt beneficiaries. we certainly want to strengthen medicare, social security, medicaid. we want to make them more fiscally sound. we want to make sure that for the purpose that they have been instituted, they're honoring

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>> i'm going to say to you what i say to every congressman that's been sitting there now. vote your district, vote your conscience. don't surprise me. the most important one of those is don't surprise me. that's a clip from the very popular netflix series house of cards which tells the story of a fictitious manipulative house majority whip. joining me now, the not fi fictitious but

the real life house majority whip, kevin mccarthy of california. you tell me you gave him that line. i didn't deliver it that way but i gave him that line, yes. >> what you most don't like is surprises. i understand, every whip says don't surprise me about what your vote is. let me talk to you about that. you're in charge of keeping your caucus in line or knowing who is going to vote how. when it comes to some of these major issues that are likely to come from the senate as the speaker has said he wants, immigration, very important to republicans. gun control, very important to republicans. if a bill is sent to the house that you know the majority of your caucus will not vote for, will the speaker still put it on the floor. >> the speaker has talked about, it's better if the house does their work. we should be sending bills to the senate. it's better if the house works the way it's designed. where the house passes the bill. >> except for me said i'm going to wait and see how the senate does this. changed it. >> if the house passes the bill and the senate passes the bill, then it goes to conference. many times, the senate talks of

things and never gets anything through. take the budget for instance. it's been four years since they passed the budget. >> sure. but i guess my question, is there anything -- if they come up with an immigration bill and you're all unable to, so it comes to your side, if that bill will not gather the majority of republicans, would the speaker put it on the floor anyway? >> the speaker says he wants to, if you listen to his press conference the other day, he will pass bills that the house passes. he will pass bills that the republicans are moving forward. i wouldn't underestimate the house passing the immigration bill. i think there's an opportunity to move the ball as well. >> i think i'm not going to get a straight answer to that question. let move on to something i might. what do you make of the president's term offensive? what do you think's behind it? >> i believe any time that both parties are talking it's a good thing. this should have happened four years ago, but i'm glad it's happening now. is this about politics or is it genuine?

>> which is it? >> only time will tell. this president spends a lot of time on the road, about politics. he walked off his campaign election, election night after giving a speech and made two phone calls, nancy pelosi, and steve israel, the head of the democratic campaign committee. is this about winning the house or governing for all of america? >> could be both. >> it very well could be. >> could be both. >> could be he'd love to have a deal with you all but if you don't make it, he says i tried to make a deal. i need a democratic house. >> if there's an opportunity for both sides to come together to find the common ground for america. if the president thinks he just talks to new people but the question is always he just wants to raise taxes, he'll get the same answer. if the president says where can we find common ground, he'll like the answer that he gets. >> do you think that the president is trying to help the republican leadership by going to the rank and file or do you think he's trying to go around you this. >> the president always likes to play politics. i think he'll continue to play that political game. he'll want to talk to as many

people as possible. look -- >> is he trying to cherry pick republicans who he thinks might come with him on things that the leadership or the more conservative parts of your caucus might oppose? >> i haven't seen him talk to enough people. look, democrats were more excited that he invited a democrat to the white house. he's got problems on both sides of the aisle. he hasn't brought very many people. he doesn't know very many people in the house. he knows more people in the senate because he served there a few years. >> it's republicans that he's taking to dinner. senate republicans. >> senate republicans. he's coming into the house conference which i think is positive. he's done that once before. he should come and listen and communicate and try to find where we can find common ground. where can we bring that accountability back to government? that's what republicans are looking for. >> let me ask you about paul ryan's budget that is coming out next week. we are led to believe that he wants to change the age cutoff for changing medicare benefits. will that be in the bill? >> no.

it will not change. if you are at or near retirement, there is no difference for you. >> give me an age. >> 55. >> it remains the same. he couldn't sell a higher age. >> no. where you have to focus is, we'll pass a budget that balances in ten years. the democrats and the senate have never passed a budget. it's been more than four years. now that we've passed no budget, mo pay, even though the speaker thinks it's undignified. i think it's undignified if you don't do your job. when they're going to pass a budget, we'll never balance. >> what you have here also as you heard nancy pelosi say, when it comes to things like entitlements, she is not prepared to do anything that would change medicare benefits. she said to do that, it's a trophy. it's a scalp, it doesn't mean anything. >> so nancy wants medicare to go bankrupt? we'll not allow that. we will preserve and protect medicare and social security. that's why when you look at our budget, we make an investment. we make sure it's there for the

next generation and we protect it for the current generation as well. if you ignore the problem, you're saying you support bankruptcy. >> if the senate returns to you a continuing resolution which essentially means that the government will stay in business through september and the cuts remain in there, the $85 billion in automatic cuts remain there, but below that line there's some shifting around so that it kind of eases sort of the sting of some of these cuts, would the house caucus, republican caucus still support it? >> the first thing we'll look at is the dollar amount there? i would advise them don't play around that much. if you're giving flexibility the same way we to dod and some areas have been conferenced, the house and senate worked together on it, we'll look at those. it will be an opportunity to see if it meets that criteria. that we would pass it. >> you would be open to changes about how that money is taken out of the government? >> our bottom line is to make sure we're able to cut two cents

out of every dollar. >> let me ask you, republican party chairman reince priebus is doing an autopsy about what happened. what went wrong in 2012. polling shows that basically the public mostly blames republicans for government failings. what does -- just talk about your side of congress. what do you think you all can do to change the image of the republican party? >> not just talk to the mind, but also talk to the heart. many times we spend so much time on policy. but we don't explain how the policy affects and makes the heart even grow bigger. i think that's a place that we have to look inside. that's a place we have to show that our policy affects all americans and it's not just about a republican party, it's about growing an american country that's stronger, putting us back to work, having a better education system. an america for all. >> you don't think it's policy. you think it's presentation. >> there's a combination. you can always look.

the party is a big tent party. i mean, i look to an example, what rand paul did on the floor this week was fantastic. >> it got criticized by two republicans. >> you know what, i think those republicans who criticized him were wrong. i think the democrats were wrong that a lot of them didn't join with him. this was an american issue that he stood up about this president and wanted an answer and an idea of civil liberties. i think that's a core belief of republicans and i think if we embrace a little more of our libertarian views, we'll go forward. >> congressman kevin mccarthy, the house majority whip, the real one as a matter of fact, come back and see us again. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> when we return, jeb bush in 2010 on why he wasn't going to run for president. >> i got to be governor for eight years. it took about two years to get it. get the job. that's a decade out of my life in public service. i enjoyed it immensely. i'm still involved but i really have to stay focused on this goal of achieving financial independence, financial security for my family.

>> things have changed since then. our interview with jeb bush is next. more than two years ago,

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joining me now former florida governor jeb bush. governor, it's good to see you.

i want to talk first about what i understand your position on undocumented workers to be as washington sets forth on trying to come up with some kind of immigration reform. you don't want any kind of plan that would encourage further entry by undocumented workers, is that correct? >> that's exactly right. the incentives that exist today are for people to come illegally because there's no path for them to come legally. we don't have a guest worker program. we have lines that are so long and in fact, there are no lines. we have a lottery system where people put their names in. that's the reaction to our immigration system being so clogged up. >> a lot has been made of the idea that immigration reform has finally found its time in the sun because you all got so clocked in the last election when it comes to the latino vote.

i think there's -- and republicans have sort of openly admitted that. but the truth is, this isn't really about the pathway to citizenship who immigration reform, is it? is this not about what everybody has called the empathy gap. people look at the republican party and think mean old white guys, mainly. >> i think that immigration is a gateway issue for people that have some experience in the some part of the immigrant experience. it's a gateway issue, if you can get past that, you have to make a case on a broader set of issues. whether it's the empathy gap or having a positive agenda, i would argue an opportunity society kind of agenda is what we need. something that's more apparitional. a real focus on transformation of our education system, a tax code that doesn't penalize aspiring small business owners a regulatory system that only makes large companies able to comply and small businesses choked off. the right to rise ought to be the key of what we're proposing and it would resonate amongst

all immigrant communities. >> let me ask you about a couple of things in the news lately. one has been senator rand paul's filibuster seeking answers on a policy on drone use in the u.s. senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that senator mccain was critical of elements of what senator paul said is fair. but on the other hand, i think he would respect the fact that senator paul got a response from the administration on the key

question of whether or not drones could be used against american citizens on american soil. i think it's okay to have a disagreement. you know, we don't march lock step 100% in agreement all the time. but on these broader issues, i think there is broad support and that's what's emerging in the republican party going forward. >> and the president's so-called charm offensive, it's been noted by some folks on capitol hill, republicans, that this is in fact the first time that he's done such a big outreach to republicans. none of them in the leadership by the way. certainly on the senate side. put on your analyst hat for a minute and tell me what you think the president's doing. >> i don't know what he's doing. but i would encourage him to do more of it. it's important to build trust, if you're trying to deal with big things. big issues require everybody to get outside their comfort zone and people are more willing to do so if they believe that their partner is sincere in their

efforts. the only way to do that is engage them on a personal level. whether anything comes of this or not, kite have the chance of restoring civility, the first step to problem solving and solutions in our nation's capitol. i'm not a cynic about this. i think it's important and i applaud the president for doing it. i think republicans appreciate it. >> when i last spoke with you it was before 2012 and in fact, you were with your brother, the former president. we talked about whether or not you were going to run for president and you said no way, no how, i don't know how many times i have to say this. i need to make some money and i have projects important to me, among them your education organization. and now we've heard an awful lot about how you are not ruling it out. how are we supposed to take that? because it certainly seems that you are now entertaining the idea or at least not ruling it out. so what's changed? >> so nothing has changed.

when you asked me before 2012 was i going to run in 2012, and i said no. i went through the process and decided it wasn't appropriate. now i've decided to defer any consideration of it until the proper time to make those kind of considerations, which is out more than a year from now for sure. when i go through that process, i'll let you know. i don't know why there has to be a lot of mystery about this. this is how it normally works, i believe. look, i don't know if i'm going to run for elected office again or not. in the interim, i have a blessed life. i have a great family. i get to advocate issues and ideas that i believe in. and i have a great life. who knows what the future holds for me. i'm excited that i think we're seeing the renewal of the conservative movement and the republican party. i want to be part of that for sure. >> do you have the bug, the elected office bug? >> the elected office bug? i don't know. i haven't given that much thought. i loved being governor. it was a blast. eight years was enough.

but it was certainly one of the greatest thrills of my life to be able to serve the people of florida. i miss that from time to time. but as i said, i got a great life right now. >> finally, i have to ask you, we're coming up on the ten-year anniversary of the war in iraq which is widely seen in public opinion polls as a mistake. do you think that will ever change? >> yeah. you know, a lot of things in history change over time. i think people will respect the resolve that my brother showed, both in defending the country and the war in iraq. but history will judge that in a more objective way than today. the war has wound down now and it's still way too early to judge what success it had in providing some degree of stability in the region. >> former florida governor, jeb bush, thanks so much for speaking with us. >> thanks, candy. jeb bush is the co-author of a new book about immigration. it is titled "immigration wars forging an american solution."

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republican party. i want to be a part of that for sure. he's been in politics, been around politics. two people, immediate relatives have been president. can we all agree that he's thinking about running for president? >> absolutely. >> sure. >> yes. >> okay. despite -- i thought am i crazy? >> shoktds shocked. >> you know, it's funny, because he did a round of interviews and just was shocked, simply shocked that we would think that this was about politics. i wanted to get bipartisan agreement that -- >> he's been very successful governor of florida. he is among the most articulate republicans in the country. he has a huge automatic family base if he does decide to run and he can go out and going to make a lot more noise. if he rushed in here and said i am not a candidate, he also ain't going to be on interviews. if he wants to have his voice heard, he's doing exactly the right thing and i think he's sincere in early 2015. of all the republicans, he's like hillary clinton, he's

the one who can decide last. he has the biggest organization. >> the name. >> just as hillary can wait until the last possible minute and probably should because she has the biggest possible organization on the democratic side. >> it's interesting to see how quickly the old cast of republicans has moved off the stage and this week we've seen an entirely new one start dominating the news. you know, the marco rubios, the rand pauls, jeb bush is making news in washington again. so for a republican party that's hit bottom, it's nice to see that there's fresh faces and new idea. >> you forgot my home state governor bobby jindal who did a terrific job last night. acquitted himself at the dinner. >> by that meaning he was funny. that's what it's about. >> he was funny. made a point of saying he was saying that he wasn't running for president in all the right places, iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. it is a healthy thing for both

political parties to have this next generation of leaders coming along. i think one of the things the republican party has to figure out is not just their messenger, they are going to have to look seriously at their overall party brand and i think that part of the process of these candidates coming along or potential candidates starting to come along is starting to reshape that brand which sorely needs. >> let me ask you about next generations because certainly hillary clinton could not be called part of the next generation. yet, she's the one everyone feels that the democratic race is pretty much frozen until she makes a decision, exception joe biden. want to show you a poll. and ask you something about it. this is quinnipiac, february to march 4th. in every case hillary clinton bests chris christie, the governor of new jersey, marco rubio, paul ryan, the former vice presidential candidate. what interests us is these clinton numbers. arguably hillary clinton is as popular a woman in the country as you can get when you ask how

do you feel about her because she's been out of politics, secretary of state, and she can't break 50% in this poll, what does that tell you? >> i think once americans move forward a generation in politics, they almost never move back. this country is all about what's next, the land of frontiers. i think there's a better chance that gavin newsome or martin o'malley will be the next nominee than hillary clinton. she and joe biden, i mean, generationally, that's one reason she didn't get the nomination from barack obama last time and the world has moved even farther along. these numbers are good solid numbers. she has done a tremendous job i think as secretary of state. if you ask the american people she's worked hard. but she is not the future of the democratic party in many ways. >> i wouldn't say that. i wouldn't say that. >> that's advice from a republican. >> we'll let you have your three cents but not the whole nickel.

she would be a strong contender if she decided to run. there's no question the democratic party has a lot of talented people, the governors of colorado, governor of new york, mr. cuomo, the senator of new york, miss gillibrand, the senator of massachusetts. i want to mention all the women as well. >> amy klobuchar. >> she did a fantastic job last night. >> hillary clinton's numbers are very strong given where we're at this moment with the partisanship in this country. she's gaining a lot of support from independents. she would have generational support among young women. i think it if she decided to run, she's probably the only one who could put together the broad coalition the democrats need to win. >> just because you worked for her, i'm assuming you would support her in 2016? >> well, i think -- nobody's asked me for my support right now, but i'll say this, which is, you know, donna's right about this, which is her -- if she ran, if she ran, there basketball a transformational

effect as there was a transformational effect with then senator obama when he ran in terms of female empowerment. absolutely. and we saw it in 2008 as well. that was a very, very close race if you look at the popular vote during the primaries. i think what these polls tell us right now is that people really aren't ready to deal with 2016 as they should not be, and it's -- i looked at a cnn poll from march of 2009 looking at the republican primary race and it was sarah palin and mike huckabee. >> i mean, that's what -- you're being so curiously quiet over here. i can't wait to hear what you're going to say. you're an admirer of hillary clinton if not in her policies. i know you worked with her. >> she and i worked together on health policy and defense policy. the biggest thing i would say for our viewers is, if you go back to march of 2005, which is the parallel, you could not possibly have picked barack obama. it was inconceivable. >> wouldn't you think a woman in

the limelight as long as hillary clinton would poll better at this point when name recognition is everything than 50. >> she and jeb bush have an automatic advantage and disadvantage. the automatic advantage is they well known. that's an advantage. on the other hand, nobody has seriously started to ask them questions and the minute you start seriously ask them questions, they become more vulnerable. that's a -- they both understand that the -- if they ever are going to run -- and i don't know that either one will frankly -- they need to run as late as possible. >> right. right. let me ask you about one of the new faces that was out there. that's rand paul, made a lot of news this week, almost 13 hours of a filibuster. >> he has said openly, yeah, i'm considering running for president in 2016. now, his dad had an enormous following, a passionate following of libertarians. he was not one who said here's somebody with a serious chance to be a major contender.

is there a difference between father and son? >> there's a big difference. you can see it where they come from. his father had a congressional district safe in texas. he could do anything he wanted to and went out on a limb to advance his ideas. rand paul is in a state that's not necessarily going to re-elect him if he would do the same thing. it's a bigger pond, a more dangerous pond. you're going to see him more mainstream. and you're seeing a new generation of republicans frankly that's more comfortable with a libertarian philosophy embrace him. rand paul, for example, if he runs for president and nomination and loses i doubt he will be able to threaten the republican party and say i'm going to mount a third-party bid so you're going to see a tighter republican party, younger, more comfortable with libertarianism. this week was marvelous for republicans because what we got to see was an old generation losing power. i'm for crankily old republicans.

the older i get the more patient i am with them. >> john mccain criticized rand paul. >> marco rubio, all those guys take the senate floor and they didn't defer to the, you know, bigger defense is automatically better republicans. >> i think this is good at two levels. one is, republicans need to get over sitting around passively waiting for their leadership. to have a ted cruz, a rand paul, this is a healthy firm. i think the issue raised was real. conservatives fear big government. the constitution was written to control government, not control the american people. it's perfectly legitimate to say to the attorney general, are there ground rules which limit your ability to kill americans. this is not a trivial question. >> this whole filibuster, is that jimmy carter was probably one of the first americans, prominent americans, who started raising questions about our so-called drone use. he wanted to know what are the legal underpinnings. did that as early as last june

and then in december it was picked up and put back down. ron wasson, from oregon, raised questions about the so-called drone use. and the aclu sued the obama administration almost back in january of 2010, but rand paul to his credit, went to the senate well, and spent 13 hours driving home this big issue. >> anita, where were the democrats then in this? why didn't they help him? >> there were democrats. the reality is that, you know, he was filibustering on an issue where the white house had fundamentally said they agreed with him and gave him what he wanted which was a very explicit statement, but there was not a lot of disagreement. i think, you know, that this conversation is a healthy one for the american public and a healthy one to have in washington about the uses of power and i don't think the white house minded it. >> i sin leery need a one word

answer from you all. we have less than a minute. i wanted to get to these automatic spending cuts. can we agree that these automatic spending cuts are here to stay? it is now a matter of whether congress will give the department the tools to kind of figure out where the cuts are from. rather than the hatchet thing. the budget cuts are here to stay, yes or no? >> unfortunately they are. they're indiscriminate and they hurt. >> yes. there won't be a political win in here for congress. >> fortunately, yes, they're here to stay but the president lost a lot of credibility when he said things like it was so bad he was going to have to cancel joe biden's subscription to the weekly reader. >> white house tours. >> look. i've been adamant that this is being implemented about as stupidly and painfully as possible. the white house tours are a perfect example. one golfing weekend would have kept the white house tours open for something like 16 weeks. >> newt gingrich, alex, anita

dunn, donna brazile, thank you very much. >> up next, nearly 100 years after women fought for voting rights, do they finally have it all? the highest ranking woman in congress weighs in. ♪ my friends, they do surround me ♪ ♪ i hope this never ends ♪ and we'll be the best of friends ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the reimagined 2013 chevrolet traverse. all set? all set. with spacious seating for up to eight. imagine that. chevrolet. find new roads. it's not a candy bar. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the new fiber one caramel nut protein bar.

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