and finally today, betty truedan wrote the feminist mystique in 1963. 50 years later haven't we come along enough way, baby? for answers, we asked the most powerful woman on capitol hill. >> is it in general something that is more a description of females than males, that females tend to not value their resume as much as, say, men do? they tend not to promote themselves as much as men do? have you seen that? >> well, i think that there

would be an attempt among some to not fully appreciate the value of experience of women. it may be a combination of things. being in charge of a home which in my view is probably raising a family the most responsible and difficult challenging task, but it has tremendous value. and so i think less and less. i think the way young boys see their mom in the workplace or at home or maybe just at home, which is a worthy place to be, that they have a different attitude toward girls and then as they grow older to women in the work force. i think the conversation we're having would have been probably more appropriate some other time a while back. i don't like to think that at this time there's any woman that would go into a room with any less value on what she came to contribute. in fact, it's probably more

important because it represents diversity of a perspective that she brings to the table and that's really important for our country. the full interview with nancy pelosi will air tomorrow on "the situation room with wolf blitzer" as cnn's look into what women want. if you missed any part of today's show find us on itunes. just search "state of the union." i'm candy crawly in washington. fareed zakaria "gps" is next. this is "gps" the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. on today's show we'll tackle drones, the death of hugo chavez, the keystone pipeline and china's new leaders. we'll start with the keystone pipeline. # i'll tell you why it should be built. then i'll have one of the most

determined opponents, the head of the sierra club tell me why he disagrees. next up, hugo chavez is dead. will his successor continue chavez's antiamerican, antiwestern, anticapitalist ways or is this the beginning of a new venezuela? we have a great panel. including moses nian. also, rand paul is worried about americans killing americans on american soil. he's right. but there's another huge problem with drones we need to start worrying about. i'll explain. first, here's my take. later this year the obama administration will have to make a decision on whether to green light the keystone pipeline. that's the 2,000 mile pipeline that would bring oil from the tar sands of canada to the gulf of mexico. i'm sure you've heard all the dire warnings about it. but another way to think about this, is to ask, what would happen if the pipeline did not go forward? the department of state released an extremely thorough report that tries to answer just this question, and it concludes basically that the oil from these tar sands would be developed at about the same pace whether there was a pipeline or not.

in other words, stopping keystone might make us feel good, but it really won't do anything about climate change. why? well, given the demand for oil in the united states, canada's producers will still get alberta's oil to the refineries in the gulf of mexico. there are other pipeline possibilities, but the most likely method is by train. the report estimates that it would take daily runs of 15 trains with about 100 tanker cars each to carry the amount planned by transcanada, the company. that's a large increase but one likely to be met. the increases in oil transported by rail in the united states are already staggering. car loads of crude oil on trains doubled between 2010 and 2011, then they tripled between 2011 and 2012. and, remember, research shows that moving oil by train produces much higher emissions of carbon dioxide than were the oil to float through a pipeline. canada could also transport the oil to asia.

where demand is booming. light now that seems a distant and costly prospect but having visited alberta recently, i can a test that canadian businessmen and officials are seriously planning for asian markets, since they now regard american policy as politicized and hostile. if we don't use the oil from alberta, we need to get the oil from somewhere else, venezuela, mexico, saudi arabia, california. some of these oils are heavy crude and processing, refining, burning them is even more harmful to the environment than burning canadian oil sands. to the extent that it makes us use more coal for electricity generation, that's a big step backwards for the environment. for many of these reasons the scientific journal on "nature" long been a leader on climate change, argued in an editorial that obama should approve the keystone project. many environmental groups are

taking an approach towards this project that resembles the way the united states government fights drugs. they attack supply rather than demand. in this case environmentalists have chosen one supplier of energy, alberta's tar sands, and are trying to shut it down. as long as there is demand for oil, there will be a supply. the far more effective solution would be to try to moderate demand. by putting in place a carbon tax or cap and trade system. ideally we would use the proceeds from these taxes to fund research on alternative energy, which we badly need to do. opponents of keystone say the facts are less important in this case. it is the symbolism that matters. we have to stop this big project. symbolism does matter. if we were to block this project, one that is no worse than many other sources of energy, one that rebufs our closest trading partner and ally, that spun easily accessible energy in favor of venezuelan or saudi crude oil,

it would be a symbol, a terrible symbol. it would be a symbol that emotion had taken the place of analysis and that ideology now trumps science on both sides of the environmental debate. for more on this, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my "time" column this week. let's get started. well, you've heard my views on the keystone pipeline. let's hear the other side now. michael brune is the executive director of one of america's oldest and biggest grassroots environmental groups, the sierra club. he joins us from san francisco. welcome, michael. >> hi, fareed. thanks for having me on. >> tell me why i'm wrong. >> well look, what you're saying sounds very reasonable, but we need to meet the challenge of climate change with all of the ambition and inspiration that we have to offer.

what we know is that tar sands oil is dirtier than conventional oil. what we also know is that we shouldn't be spending $7 billion on a dirty and dangerous pipeline when we know that clean energy will do a better job. >> if you look around the world, is this the worst form of energy? it's dirty coal plants for sure, and i know you've done good work on that. i totally support you and the sierra club on it, but what i'm struck by is why are you signaling out this one when, you know, at the end of the day the greenhouse gas emissions profile is not going to be that different given that we continue to consume the stuff. why not try to do something about that consumption issue? >> i appreciate the point. the work that we're doing on coal relates very closely to this. over the last three years more than 140 u.s. coal plants have been announced for retirement. a lot of them will be replaced by clean energy, and it's enabling the u.s. to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions to a

point that we were at 20 years ago. the tar sands, the overall tar sands development threatens to undermine all of that progress. >> how? wait. i've got to stop you. i've got to stop you. first of all, most of those coal-fired power plants, the electricity they're generating is being replaced by natural gas. it's being replaced by natural gas that's been gotten through fracking. when you look at volumes, renewables, by which you mean solar and wind is under 5%. most of what we're talking about is natural gas. the replacement of coal is natural gas. so it seems to me there, maybe i'm wrong, but you're making a sensible tradeoff that at the end of the day, natural gas is cleaner than coal, correct? >> sure. we'll get back to keystone in a secretary. -- second. what's happening in the electricity market right now, solar and wind, the costs are dropping extremely fast. solar, the cost of solar, has dropped by 80% in the last five years.

so what you're seeing now is that solar, this is nuts, is actually starting to beat out gas in california on cost alone. wind is starting to beat out coal in the great plains states. >> because of subsidies in both cases. >> there's subsidies for every form of energy, coal, gas, solar, for wind, for nukes. what we're seeing though, in 2012, for all of the new capacity that came on line, more new capacity in solar and wind came online than coal, gas, nuclear power combined. we've joined together to push the obama administration to enact the car standards announced last fall. those car standards will save 3 million barrels of oil every day, which is almost four times the amount of oil that would come through this keystone xl pipeline. so in the context of all of this, when we have the dirtiest,

most carbon intensive fuel source on the planet in canada, we don't need this oil. we don't need to be bringing it down from canada. >> again, do you dispute that coal is worse for climate change? >> no. >> you keep saying it's the dirtiest, but coal is worse and yet we get most of our electricity it. >> most of our fuel sources -- >> let me ask you about the sands in california -- in canada, because look, this is canada's -- these are canada's oil reserves. 98% of canada's oil reserves are in alberta. 99% of those oil reserves are in tar sands. the canadians are going to produce this stuff. it is going to get to market. it is going to get to people who want it, whether it's in asia, whether it's in china, whether it's in the gulf of mexico, it will be burned. >> and as i say, the market is telling you by looking at the boom in railroads, by the fact that warren buffet is buying this stuff, the state department report concludes basically that

these oil sands will be developed at about the same pace, looking at precisely this market data. so i would argue you're arguing against warren buffet, you're arguing against the state department, you're arguing against the history of capitalism that when there is demand, when there's so much demand for a product, supply finds its way. look at the drug wars. as i said. you keep trying to stop supply, but when you have insatiable demand, it finds its way. >> sure. look, i'm very well aware, fareed, of the large list of people who feel differently about this, but what is also true is that there are a lot of business people who feel that this is a boondoggle, this is a bad investment in america and it's a bad investment in our climate. at the end of the day, fareed, what we're saying is we do know how to build pipelines, we do know how to build refineries and coal plants. we can't continue the same pattern of development over the next century that we've had over the last century.

last year we had record drought and record wildfires and record storms. our temperature increase was a full degree fahrenheit over the previous record. all of that was in one year. with barely more than a degree of warming. we're about to see almost four degrees of warming. we're about to see that. that's almost locked in. so we have to do something different. so i realize that trying to stop the tar sands development, hard to do, particularly hard to do when you have the u.s. government, the canadian government, and the oil industry all aligned to try to expand development, but what we're saying is that we can't do it. what we're also proposing is that clean energy, which is cheaper, which will put more people to work, which won't threaten our air and water, won't destabilize our atmosphere is ready to do the job. it's pretty to take up a much larger proportion of our energy demand in the united states. we're ready for a clean energy transition, but that will be

delayed, it'll be suppressed the more money we sink into the new, big fossil fuel projects. >> we will have to leave it at that. michael brune, you were kind to come on. you were civil in your disagreement. i appreciate that. as i said, i admire the sierra club for many of the things it does. thanks for joining us. up next, the death of hugo chavez. what it means for venezuela and the world. we'll be right back. what's next?

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the death on tuesday of venezuelan president hugo chavez was met with tears on the streets of caracas, but probably with quiet sighs of relief in washington and other western capitals. during his rein over the largest oil reserves, chavez has been a thorn in their side as he kicked out western companies and used his nation's oil as a political tool. how do you think of chavez's reign and what to expect next? joining me, the former minister of trade and industry in venezuela, the author of an important new book, "the end of power." rory is in caracas, the former bureau chief of "the guardian." his book is called "comman

dante," it's just out, nicolas is a writer and reporter on latin-american affairs. rory, on the ground there, does it seem as though the successor is likely to be chavez light or is it possible that it could be some new opening and a change of ways? >> i think chavez light is not a bad way of putting it. we've seen already a streak from him this week, towards the united states, in accusing enemies of chavez of assassinating him through some form of biological warfare. that's obviously a sign that he intends to continue a high degree of rhetorical heat against the united states. but i think he's also going to win the election. he certainly is the favorite. and i think -- but unlike hugo chavez who used his charisma to glue his movement together, i think nicholas maduro is a different character. he doesn't have that charisma. he's more of a power broker.

he will be trying to use his ability to negotiate the different factions to keep the revolutionary show on the road. >> you think these guys are popular, right? chavez and his movement, his followers? >> yeah. undeniably. i think what i'd like to see though, more from maduro, a more innovative foreign policy. he was the foreign minister. in my personal view, he had a kind of retrograde foreign policy aligned to more of ba shash al asside and moammar gadfy. i think that discredited the left. what i'd like to see is much more innovative domestic policy. if anything, i think chavez did not go far enough. if anything, i mean chavez did not go far enough. for example, i think that the economic cooperatives, for example, that he established, very few people are aware that venezuela has the most rising and flourishing systems of economic cooperatives in the

world. i think now in light of all the financial difficulties in the world and the like, workers are looking for alternatives, but i think on principle it's worth looking into these innovative solutions, particularly in light of the world financial crisis. >> aren't these innovative solutions that chavez had essentially all bank rolled by higher oil prices? >> yes. without the oil, none of this would be possible. >> the wonderful cooperative movement that nicholas refers to would be bankrupt without the oil money. none of those comparisons is sustainable. the story here is not about comparatives, the story is about an economy in shambles. during the 14 years of chavez in power venezuela had the lowest growth among the largest economies in latin america despite the fact that oil prices are at an all-time high. despite the fact that he

multiplied the national debt by ten. despite the fact that he had all sorts of opportunities to do whatever he wanted. his checks and balances accountability was all limited. he had controls over the oil industry, the central bank, the military, the national assembly, the judiciary. he had a lot of money and a lot of power. what we can see is an economy in shambles that will require very unpopular decisions. >> rory, why is it though that chavez was undeniably popular? >> because he's a political genius. the man was extraordinary. i don't think we'll see his like again. this mystical connection he had with venezuelaens and his ability to use the television medium, he created a teflon coated presidency. it didn't matter that crime rates exploded.

it didn't matter politically that caracas has higher murder rates than baghdad. he wasn't blamed for it. he was able to detach himself from the economic fiasco we see. for example, many of his innovative ideas, for example, in these cooperatives, it simply didn't work. in theory they were great. the mismanagement and lack of accountability and bureaucratic incompetence was so extreme that unfortunately most of them, i think about 90% have gone bust, and yet he amazingly is able to avoid blame for that. i think historians will study him for decades. to figure out just how he did that. >> what we're wondering, will there be a different foreign policy? does he need to start making nice to some of the major players? >> i would like to specify that in venezuela in the next month and months and years, it will be different in venezuela than after that. in the next few months and years, they will need to find international external

scapegoats. someone will have to explain to the people now adoring president chavez why the situation there, their standard of living has declined so dramatically. someone will have to explain why without chavez life is not as good as it used to be and, therefore, the government, whoever is in government, maduro, whoever is there, will have to explain that, well, you know, we have enemies at home and abroad that are creating all these kinds of situations that are hurting you. it's not the government, the foreigners, the united states, that tried to kill the president or killed the president, according to president maduro and the internal enemies, the traditional enemies that are trying to destabilize the revolutions. >> rory, one of the things people noticed is that the people sort of resent this, and the people sort of tend to be interested, attracted to america. what's the mood on the street?

as you say chavez is genuinely popular there? >> yes, he is. i think most venezuelans are very sympathetic towards america in general in terms of they like cheap gasoline prices, they like american cars, like shopping malls. this has traditionally been one of the most americanized societies. it's something i tried to capture in my book. this was never a cuban scenario. >> rory, moises, nicolas, thank you. great new book out. rory, great new book out. you must buy them. up next, what in the world? what the debate about drones is missing. we will be right back. searching for a bank designed for investors like you? tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 schwab bank was built with all the value and convenience tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 investors want. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like no atm fees, worldwide. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and no nuisance fees. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 plus deposit checks with mobile deposit. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550

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now for our what in the world segment. senator rand paul decided to drone on this week about drones. >> no american should be killed by a drone on american soil. >> the senator employed a rare talking filibuster to stall a vote for john brennan as the cia director. all told, he went on for 12

hours and 52 minutes including when he took questions from his republican colleagues. washington had some tough questioning for eric holder. the attorney general was forced to admit it would be unconstitutional to kill an american citizen with a drone strike on u.s. soil unless there was a pearl harbor type imminent threat. i usually think filibusters are a bizarre quasi constitutional mechanism that is basically anti-democratic but i do think it's important to have a serious de bait about drones, not just about the legality of using them to kill american citizens, but a broader debate. if it's not constitutional to kill american citizens in america unless they're actively engaged in terrorism right then, is it constitutional to kill them when they're abroad, when they're not actively engaged in hostilities and shouldn't there be some process of demission making that involves congress or courts? should the executive branch be able to determine entirely on its own whom it deems is an

enemy, american or nonamerican, and then summarily execute that person? right now, none of these questions is getting serious attention, while the cia's drone activities have expanded dramatically. by some accounts more than a third of the u.s. air force fleet is now unmand. we're training more pilots than regular pilots in the defense department and there are reports we are building a drone base in north america. american drones have reportedly killed an upward estimate of 4,700 people in the last decade. these numbers look like they'll keep rising. now there's no doubt that drone strikes have helped us get rid of a number of influential terrorists without the cost of ground assaults, but this is an incredibly gray area of counter terrorism. for one, we're also killing a number of innocent civilians. second, it is inevitable that other governments will one day justify doing the same thing. the basic technology behind

drones has become mainstream. logon to amazon.com and you will find a version for under $300, in choices of blue, green and yellow trim. it's not hard to imagine the next step, weaponized drones, could be designed and deployed by groups other than the cia. in fact, it's already happening. i was struck by a recent news report that china considered using a drone to kill a drug lord in myanmar. today it's myanmar, tomorrow it could very well be some place in asia or beyond. the international institute of strategic studies identifies 50 countries that actively using unmanned aerial vehicles. if we do it, why can't they. you have the question of what happens if and when weaponized drones fall into the wrong hands. what if the taliban gets one, al qaeda does? where does it stop? and just imagine a simple point, what if china starts using drones regularly against what's regards as terrorists and defends itself by saying, well,

that's what america does. at some stage the decisions we've made in the last few years will come back to haunt us. instead, let's think through this new situation carefully, put in place legal procedures and limits so that we do not usher in a global free for all with drones. up next, china gets ready to formally anoint its new president. what it means for china and the world. i've got a good panel. dad: you'll be fine, ok? girl: ok. dad: you look so pretty. ♪ i'm overprotective. that's why i got a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. she can't always move the way she wants. now you can.

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fleeing the country every day and the u.n. says that number could double if not triple by the end of the year if the crisis goes on. more than 1 million syrians have fled since the unrest began two years ago. and excitement is building at the vatican as the conclave gets closer. voting begins in just two days. today the cardinals celebrated masses in private chapels, cathedrals and basilicas across rome. they will hold one more preconclave meeting before tuesday. and a son races against time as he tries to make it home to see his dying mother. what happened next is really pretty amazing and you'll hear the whole story from the son himself in the next hour of the cnn newsroom. i'm prfredricka whitfield. fareed zakaria gps continues right now. # if you think xi jinping was president of china, you would be forgiven but you would be wrong. back in november he was

inaugurated as the new head of china's communist party but he doesn't take the reigns until this week, when he will become the president, the chief of state of the world's second largest economy. now that he's had time in the public eye i wanted to read the tea leaves if you will to talk about what to expect from china's new leader. joining me now are my old professor, harvard university professor of history and political science and another of his former students, now the beijing bureau chief for "the new yorker." rod, in a speech recently, you said that xi jinping was a compromised candidate and, therefore, was unlikely to be a strong reformer. that's not the picture we've been painted. we've been told this guy is the son of this heroic general, he made his way up and has the potential to be quite bold. >> well, i don't think compromise is the right word. if i used it i was wrong. what i did say is he did not have a mandate.

every leader since xi jinping has been chosen by xi jinping. xi jinping is the product of a backstairs deal, therefore, he does not have the sew lidty, the legitimacy of his predecessors. >> evan, when people look at his first moves they point out that he went to one of the fastest growing provinces that's seen as a sign that you support economic reform. is that a fair analysis of that? >> what he did was he went down to the origins, the birth place of the chinese boom, and he draped himself in the flag of economic success and he said, i will give you the chinese dream. his term, this has been his rhetorical innovation, what he calls the china dream. it's a lot like the american dream. it's the idea that every child can get an education, you can start a business. what he's saying is a realization. it's a recognition of the fact that the chinese people are a bit frustrated these days and after 30 years of economic

growth he needs to reinvigorate the idea that if you aspire to something in china, it's a level playing field and the system is not stacked against you. >> another piece of what he's doing, he's visited some army units and he has said some things that lead people to say this is a strange alliance. on the one hand, there's talk of economic reform. on the other hand, there's real chinese nationalism. >> i think he knows that the only legitimate making factor left to the communist party is that they conquered china and that the people's liberation army was the unit that conquered china for the party and that nationalism is what links the people, the party, and the military. and so he is in charge of the affairs that are going on in the east china sea at the moment, and he is playing quite a dangerous game. i am sure he does not want any conflict, any hostilities with

japan, but things can go wrong. >> the hacking, that seems to me another sign of a more assertive china, a more -- a china that is willing to play by the rules in its own way and defy knows rules that it wants to. >> yeah. for years one of the theories has been that this is a loosely coordinated group of independent, patriotic hackers who are operating under the general leadership of the party. i think that era is over. we now know this is a concerted, serious effort that he's targeting not just political targets in the united states and american agencies, but also an enormous effort at industrial espionage. going into companies and pulling out as much of the blueprints as possible. there's a saying in the cyber crowd which is there's only two kinds of companies the ones that have been hacked and the ones that don't know they've been hacked. >> ron, what does it say about china's attitude towards the united states now? the one aspect of xi jinping's policy that was followed by the next two of his successors was

be nice to the americans. accept americans, the chinese would rather abstain than vote with the u.s. in the security council. the general idea is we have to do economic development and we need america for membership in the world trade organization, these kinds of things. has that fundamental calculus changed? >> i don't think that the calculus has changed. i think the chinese are beginning since about '09 and '10, are beginning to feel their strength and to exhibit it, especially the neighbors. they are furious about the pivot to asia. they seem to be detecting that kerry will not be pivoting quite so much too asia, which will be good for them. but i think they realize that america's most open economy in the world, that they could sell to. it's a place they like to hack into but that they have to

preserve relations with it, and i think the next move is actually in president obama's court. what is he going to do about this hacking? >> so do you think we're going down a path of -- you know, the u.s. and china over the obama administration have never managed to work out a particularly good relationship? is it likely to even get worse? >> i think we're in -- we're on the path towards the rocky period. i think we're on the path towards the rocky period partly because of domestic chinese demands. the other slogan that xi jinping has adopted is what he calls the great revival. the great revival to chinese ears means i will defend our dignity on the world stage, return us to the position we've always been in, which is a great power. that means partly countering the american influence in asia. we've been at exactly as ron said, a pivot towards asia over the last few years. china is not comfortable with that. they believe that's encircling the chinese power in the region

and they're going to do what they can to push back. the question will be ultimately if the united states is able to come up with an accommodation. but i think we have more trouble before things get better. >> sounds like china is going to go through a very interesting next five years. thank you both. fascinating conversation. in this last election you saw tremendous debate on both sides. you never once saw and also in the state of the union you never saw somebody mention health. health and food represent over 30% of the u.s. economy yet we're not talking about it. ♪

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modern medicine has found a cure to many of the world's deadly diseases, polio, malaria, tet ta nous, but the human body is still a mystery to us. how and why do we get sick. that's a simple question. our next guest has answers to some of those questions. david ageus is the author of "the end of illness." he's one of the world's leading oncologist and professor of medicine at the university of southern california. welcome. >> thank you, fareed. >> you are also steve jobs' doctor so i have to ask you to begin with, one of the questions that buzzed around the internet right after he died. he got -- he had pancreatic cancer, a rare form that was

not curable. he spent about nine months trying to do it using alternative medicine before he went to the traditional path. did that diversion in some way hasten or cause his death? >> well, i was one of the people on his team. it's impossible to kind of look back and know exactly what was going to happen, but certainly the earlier you catch a cancer like this, the more chance you have to make an impact on its progression. could you have cured it nine months earlier? probably not. i don't know definitively clearly, but probably not. this is a cancer that we always think of solid tumors, that it's here and large enough to get out into the blood vessels, that's probably wrong. it's probably always out. the question is does it have the genes turned on to allow it to live outside the pancreas in his case. it probably did. the earlier you catch it, the better the outcome. i'm not sure we would have saved his life. >> one of the things that i loved about your book was you have -- much of it has this feeling of being very common

sensecle. these are obviously things you should be doing, why aren't we doing them. the thing that surprised me most or one of the things that surprised me was you say as somebody whos has done the research on cancer backwards and forwards, taking multivitamins is a bad idea. explain why. >> listen, we are a complex system. there's something low, let me fix it. what you realize is everything do you changes your whole system. so vitamins, all they are is something the body can't synthesize enough of. it doesn't mean more is better. look at the data. over 60 studies to vitamins and placebo, none have shown a benefit. they took men, $248 million study, they put them on viet vitamin e to decrease prostate cancer. over 70% increase. >> the cancer cells like the vitamin. >> listen, there are two reasons. two simple reasons as i look at it. one is that you make free radicals all the time to get rid

of bad damaged cells. what do multivitamins do? they block those natural processes. the second is block those natural processes and cancer is what's growing. vitamins probably feed cancer. we're not growing, but the cancer is. these nutritional things may help it. when i look at the data, there's no benefit. i guarantee you you're not going to get scurve or beri-beri. >> one of the things you say, you should take an supplement that's over 3,000 years old. >> the pill if you take it every day will not reduce the incidents but the death rate of cabser by over 30% and the heart decent by over 20%, it's called a baby aspirin. we have a right to smoke, drink, do whatever we want. the question is what is the right thing to do. when scientific data hit a certain point probably it shouldn't be optional. >> and you know, the reason we don't, is we don't understand the data, is what my doctor once

said to me, if aspirins were ten times as expensive, more people would take them. they think it can't be, it's a sort of wonder drug. >> it's a staggering drug it probably works by blocking inflammation, heart disease, cancer and it's a hell of a drug. why we're not all taking it and why every doctor isn't talking about it to their patient, it just befuddles me. there are countries deciding whether or not to make things mandatory. the mandatory should be the discussion with the doctor and the patient. we have to move forward. the only way we're going to do it is through prevention. >> you point out something really interesting. we all think that the path to being fit is to go to the gym. and you say, if you go to the gym for 45 minutes an hour a day, that actually doesn't make much of a difference, if -- >> well listen, if you sit the rest of the day. sitting for five hours is equivalent to smoking a pack or a pack and a quarter of cigarettes. we design buildings based on

lead certifications, it's going to help the environment and everything is recycled. but we're not doing anything on health. the more important you are, the closer your parking space is to your desk. the more resources you have, the more bathrooms in your house, you don't have to walk place to place. 1953, they looked at the british transit authority. 26,000 workers. half were bus drivers and half were the ticket takers that walked up and down the double-decker buses. more than half the death rate of heart disease in the ticket takers and significantly less cancer. the weigh the same, they smoked the same. everything the same. just moving. your body was design dodd move. that's how your lymphatics work. we've engineered our society to sit. we need to change that. >> this becomes all of this becomes much more important because we're creating, you say a whole class of people that has never existed before. that is old people. all right. and these are all problems that are, that afflict people who are old. we all die in our 70s, now we're

living into our 80s this becomes particularly important as you age. >> listen, we have an aging society, the baby boomers are becoming late 60s, 70s, et cetera. health care is growing year by year, we need to make an impact. the way to do it is not to change health care finance. i'm all the for access. but at the same time we need to change health care. in the last election, you saw tremendous debates on both sides, you never once, and also in the state of the union, you never saw somebody mention health. they talked about health care finance, but not talked about health. health and food represent over 30 pshs of the u.s. economy. yet we're not talking about it. >> a pleasure to have you on. >> great, thank you, fareed. up next, a plague of quite literally biblical pro portions in the middle east. i will explain. [ watch ticking ] [ engine revs ] come in. ♪ got the coffee. that was fast.

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china's leaders are in the midst of a meeting that forms the high point of the chinese political calendar. at the meeting as we discussed earlier, xi jinping, what is china's top annual political meeting called? is it the chinese congressional