and hopes the next uppontiff wi order his footwear here too. some of the pope's robes are made here at family firm gabareli. three outfits ready to take to the vatican. >> these different sizes, one small, one medium, and one large. this is a fashion director at a top italian couture house. he shows me the workshop where they have made garments for previous popes, including the green mantel, embroidered with threads of cloth to represent the humility of sir francis. and controversial where they made papal costumes for women, so-called potess potesses, who part in an irreverent fashion show. but john paul ii's charisma was easy to reflect. >> in the case of benedict, it's a different charm.

it's more like the theologist. plus, he's not the tallest in the world. come on, what can you do? >> reporter: he doesn't know who will be the next pope, but says in this case, the clothes do not make the man. >> i don't wish a pope i could dress. i wish a pope that can fix my problems and feel like i have a pope. then, whatever he is, we can dress him in pleasure, with love. but we need a pope. pope sneis needed always. >> reporter: deciding what to wear is the least of the pope's problems, but for the designers who have to put their own spin on papal outfit, there is no greater challenge than making clothes for the pope. dan rivers, cnn, rome. >> that's it for us. thanks for watching. we'll see you from rome tomorrow night. "erin burnett outfront" starts

now. "outfront" next, north korea scrapping a 60-year armistice with the south. has kim jong-un gone too far? and dennis rodman speaks again. is and a controversy erupts in europe after horse meat is discovered at restaurants. so why is horse meat about to be processed right here in the united states? and i sit down with the former first lady, laura bush. how she sees the gop changing. let's go "outfront." and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, tough talk from north korea. today, north korean officials scrapped the armistice, that has created nearly 60 years of peace, uneasy peace, but peace with south korea. this after the u.n. security council unanimously passed tougher sanctions thursday against pyongyang. the reason for those sanctions, north korea's third nuclear test. north korea also threatened in an editorial, in its state-run newspaper that, quote, as the

armistice agreement has been nullified, no one can expect what will happen next. so is this just your run of the mil saber rattling, or does north korea's new, young leader have something to prove and have the will to prove it? president obama's national security adviser, tom donlin, says the u.s. isn't taking a chance. >> the united states will not accept north korea's nuclear state, nor will we stand by, while it seeks to develop a nuclear armed missile that can target the united states. >> reporter: earlier, i spoke with president obama's first national security adviser, general jim jones. so, kim jong-un's father was in power for 17 years. and he tested nuclear weapons and he issued his fair share of threats. kim jong-un seems to be a rather new and perhaps unknown quantity. should we be taking the threat more seriously? >> well, i think when you're dealing with nuclear weapons, you have to take them seriously. and i agree with what tom donlin just said. there are a lot of reasons why dictators behave the way they

do. number one, they're insecure to start with. number two is they have an internal audience they have to play to. and i would imagine that kim jong-un is playing to his military as well. and he's also playing to the south korean administration, president park, who, i think, very wisely, extended the hand of friendship and reason to north korea. so this is maybe his way of sending a couple of messages. but it's always nice, and as mr. donlin said, you can't take chances on this. >> you were still with the obama administration when the two american journalists were held captive in north korea. and of course, president clinton went there and helped assure their release at the time. and at the time, you said, "the former president did spend time with the korean leader, kim jong-il, but he did appear to be in control of his government and sounded very, very reasoned in terms of his conversation." now his son is in charge, and

the american who seems to have spent time with him, the only one who has, is dennis rodman. and his official state media released a bizarre video a while ago, set to the music "we are the world," showing destruction of what appears to be, new york city, sort of goes up in flames. a very bizarre video, state media in north korea. does it worry you that the u.s. has no real contact with this guy? >> we have, in the sense of direct contact, it would be better if we did, i suppose. but there are ways to message governments that we don't get along with indirectly, and those messages are transmitted back and forth on a regular basis. but for a young man like kim jong-un, this is particularly an adjustment period. and there's a risk of miscalculation, and that would be very serious for north korea and south korea, if somebody miscalculated. >> yes, the new defense secretary, chuck hagel was in

afghanistan, and obviously there was some violence while he was there. hamid karzai accused the united states of working with the taliban, saying that the violence from the taliban actually provides an excuse for the americans to keep its troops in the country longer. in 2010, you said karzai has a very clear sense of the commitment that the united states, in particular, is making to the long-term success of this country. do you believe that's still the case? >> this is a personal opinion. i'm disappointed in that rhetoric. after ten years of blood and sacrifice, on the part of the united states, i find that kind of talk to be not only insulting, but borderline irresponsible. because it's simply not true. the sacrifice that men and women in uniform and our men and women at the state department, and even ngos has made to try to turn afghanistan in the right direction, under the leadership of president karzai, is just simply behind question. by the way, it's not just the u.s., it's over 40 sovereign

countries that have come together to help afghanistan find its way. so for him to suggest that somehow we're colluding with the taliban is just, is just ridiculous. >> do you ever feel the u.s. government has wasted time, money, energy, lives, a huge sacrifice, in trying to work hamid karzai, in particular? this man. >> well, i have -- my first experience goes back to 2003, when i was the nato commander. and i was privileged to be the one that proposed a military plan for engaging the north atlantic treaty organization, into afghanistan. and i had very high hopes. and was really taken by president karzai's personality, his vision, his sincerity. but as the years went on, i started losing a little bit of faith, and you know, when we get to the point where you listen to statements like that, it's not

helpful to the overall destiny of afghanistan, which could be very much in question. >> has the president managed the karzai relationship well since you left? or is part of this the united states' fault? >> i think, reasonably, we've sent our best generals there, we've sent our best people there. our state department has worked tirelessly. the president has communicated with president karzai. he's a complex personality. he's got good people working for him. i know some of them very, very well. and they want what we want in afghanistan. but, ultimately, it's a test of leadership. and the report card on president karzai, the history will write, will judge him on his leadership and what he's been able to achieve. >> obviously, when you left in october 2010, "the new york times" said the reason you left a little earlier than they thought you were going to leave was because of quotes in the bob woodward's book "obama wars," and according to that book, you

referred to rahm emanuel as the water bugs, the bureau, and the mafia. i bet that they chucked on one level when they read that, obviously, not on another. none of them are at the white house anymore. is that a good thing? >> you know, i think, first of all, i know them all and i like them all personally. and we had some great times together. and, but, there's -- there are -- they formed a very special group and gave the president their best advice. my job was to give him my best advice on national security issues as i saw them. i don't think i ever had a serious disagreement with any one of them, but we were in different lanes. >> all right. later on in our program, we're going to tell you what dennis rodman just said minutes ago about kim jong-un and when he's going back. some very interesting details here. we're going to play you what dennis rodman had to say, a couple of moments ago, later in

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our second story "outfront," new york getting fizzy with it. today, a state judge put a stop to mayor bloomberg's big dreams. his hopes and ambitions to ban your ability to drink large, sugary drinks. the ban was scheduled to go into effect tomorrow and the mayor was already counting his chickens. he's been on a public health crusade during his tenure. says he is not going to back down. >> limiting the size of sugary beverages is consistent with the board of health's tradition and its mission. we believe that the judge's decision was clearly in error and that we will prevail on appeal. >> will he prevail? well, he has a formidable enemy.

"outfront" tonight, jeffrey toobin and brad is with us. by the way, this is not,, you know -- >> this is meaty. >> meaty and completely wrong. >> completely wrong? >> completely wrong. look, the judge says it's arbitrary and capricious, what the city did. just because you can't do everything to stop obesity, to stop diabetes, doesn't mean you have to do nothing. this is one step, that the mayor took within his jurisdiction, the board of health took. and it's a reasonable step, it will make new yorkers healthier, and i don't see any reason why a judge should get involved at all. >> because, after all, he has gotten calorie count on, when you go to the recipe, which he had to fight for two years. that's why i say, he's a formidable enemy, he's going to fight it. he's banned smoking, which has now been done around the world. >> look at what this mayor has done. you've just illustrated his

track record and now he's going to ban sugary drinks. what about all the other sugary foods that are out there. talk about a slippery slope argument, it make is no sense. and then what the judge did, which is absolutely right. it's a long decision, but at the end of the day, he came out with the right conclusion, and thank goodness for common sense in new york. because you can have sodas. there are other drinks. i could drink two beers instead of two sodas. which would you rather? this is so arbitrary. this is the example of arbitrary. this is just absolutely beyond what a mayor should be regulating. first of all, just keep in mind, also, this never went to the new york city council. this wasn't legislated. this was regulated. this is a mayor taking full control of the food and drink industry and dictating what people can drink and what people cannot drink. >> the slipperly slope arguments are phoney baloney law school nonsense. just because he banned trans fats in restaurants, but you can use trans fats at homes. he banned smoking in restaurants and bars, but you can smoke on

the street and at home. so just because you don't ban something completely doesn't mean that you can't do something to improve public health. and that's precisely what this is. >> one way he can win this is to say, just instead of banning it in some places, i'm going to ban it everywhere. you can make the ban even more inclusive. >> you can become more expansive with this, but this is another case where common sense prevailed. and thank goodness there was a judge in here and we do have that level of review to be able to right the wrong. >> well, he also wants to ban plastic foam containers. he wants to warn people about losing their hearing from headphones. and we're kind of all for these things the, because we pay for the people who drink too much soda and blast their ears out with the headphone. but he just spoke to david letterman about it, so let's play it. >> i think that it is incumbent upon government to tell people what they're doing to themselves and let people make their own decisions. so our job is to educate people.

>> but he's not letting us make our own decision? >> he is. nobody's stopping you from buying two sodas, from buying three sodas, from buying ten sodas. he's making it somewhat more inconvenient to -- most people don't even pay attention. they buy the big size. so if the big size is 16 rather than 20, people will buy the 16 and they will get diabetes less as a result and that's good for them and that's good for new york city. >> with all due respect, the size of soda has no direct link to diabetes. and he's exactly right, with what he said on letterman. they can educate you and then you can make your decision. and erin, you made that point. but the problem with this mayor is, no one's allowed to make decisions except him. and he's going to make the decision for what's good and what's bad. and when he's deciding what's bad, there are other things that are bad that he's not looking at. and the government is supposed

to protect you and protect your businesses and protect the tax role coming in. these are business-destroying regulations that are hurting our city, every single day, we complain about taxes, and at the same time, we burden our city's businesses. >> there's a word for someone who runs the city. it's called mayor. and that's what he's doing and that's his job. >> and maybe it's called dictator, and that's okay. >> it's consistent with the law. dictators are not -- >> he changed the law. >> we'll see what the appeals court says. he lost this round, that's for sure. >> thanks to both of you. our third story "outfront," time for talk is over. tomorrow, the 115 cardinals eligible to vote on the next pontiff will file into the sistine chapel, lock the doors, and begin to elect the next spiritual leader of the world's 1.2 billion catholics. for days, the cardinal electors have been meeting to hash out their differences on key issues facing the church, so the goal is when you go in to actually vote, you can vote and get that

white smoke more quickly. so what kind of papal posturing is going on? "outfront" tonight, our vatican expert, raymond royale. so it doesn't appear there's a front-runner in the conclave. so behind the scenes now, all of the politicking that can't be called politicking is going on, right? >> reporter: it is, indeed, erin. remember, i had my horse analogy earlier, where you don't talk to the horse, you talk to the people around the horse, that's what's been going on. and if this is a horse race, there is no secretariat running in this derby. there are no breakout candidates. but i keep hearing a number of candidates mentioned, but it's three or four or five. that's rarely a good sign. the other thing, erin, in 2005, you had sort of whips, cardinals who were attracting votes and trying to build coalitions. i can't find too many of those cardinals this time out. it's really an odd time. very different from the last conclave. >> which i guess in some ways makes it even more exciting. we have also heard, because of this, there is no secretariat in the running, as you say.

that the next pope might come from some place that might shock people, ie, from north america, maybe even the united states. timothy dolan seems to be getting a little bit more buzz there no rome. patrick o'malley up in boston, and mark ouellet out of canada. >> let me quickly touch on cardinal dolan. he did this mass on sunday at his church. the crowds were everywhere, they applauded after his four-minute homily. dolan is the only thing the italians can say. but i can't find too many cardinals who support that. then you move to cardinal o'malley in boston. now, he has a huge support. not only among italians and europeans. you also see a number of the latin block. that's 19 votes. he spent a lot of time in latin america, worked in the latin outreach in washington, d.c. he is beloved by this community. they feel he understands them. that is something they might

support. ditto with cardinal ouellet. >> so when all this comes down to it, do you think because there is no front-runner, that this could take a lot longer? everyone said, look, this should be done in a few days, but is it possible that it's not? >> reporter: it may not be, erin. everybody i'm talking to now, even cardinals say, we could be in for a thursday. if it goes as long as friday, they have to take a day off for prayer and reflection on saturday, and the vote would resume on sunday. this could roll into next week. >> all right. still to come, "outfront," horse meat in america. we're going to take you to the first processing plant to exist in the united states in six years. and nearly eight months after cops say he opened fire in a colorado movie theater, james holmes is going to enter a plea. but the judge has made a controversial decision as to a drug holmes might be administered. that's next. it's monday.

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about, where we focus on reporting from the front lines. and we begin with former nba players, dennis rodman. he's speaking out again about his trip to north korea. he's going back. a couple weeks ago, you'll recall he was palling around in pyongyang with the country's dictator, kim jong-un, and

here's what rodman said today. >> i don't condone what he does, but he's my friend. >> do you anticipate going over there again? >> yes, i will, in august. >> you are going over there? >> yes, i'm vacationing there, yes. >> vacationing with kim jong-un. i cannot wait to see what that entailed. rodman went on to say that his stance on kim remains the same. he says he does not want to go to war with the united states, despite the country's continued nuclear test. an archbishop from italy was intrade's favorite for pope and now we may never know if that prediction is right. the company shut down on sunday after the company said it discovered potential financial irregular 'tis. late last year, intrade was banned in the u.s., but it was very popular for everything from the presidential election to sports games. josh brown of the reformed broker blog predicts intrade or something like it, though, will resurface sometimes soon, and if you want to bet on the pope, everybody, go to paddypower.com, and you can bet there.

it has been 585 days since the u.s. lots its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the dow and s&p have gone up for seven trading days in a rowe. the s&p, less than ten points away from an all-time high and the dow hit another one today. now our fourth story "outfront," inside the mind of an accused mass murderer. james holmes, the man accused of killing 12 people inside a colorado movie theater last summer. he's expected to enter his plea tomorrow morning. speculation is mounting that holmes will use the insanity defense that could keep him out of prison. ted rowlands is "outfront." >> reporter: james holmes' life will be very different if he spends it in a mental institution instead of prison. john hinckley avoided prison and has spent the last 30 plus years at st. elizabeth's hospital in washington, d.c. hinckley has privileges he wouldn't get in prison, including unsupervised home visits.

but those who have lived in both say mental hospitals are no picnic. >> prison is more physical. you know, you have to be macho, stand up for yourself, physically. >> reporter: this convicted rapist who doesn't want to be identified spent 14 years in prison and 12 years in state hospitals, including atascadero, home to many of california's criminally insane. >> when you initially get there, it seems like it's going to be a walk in the park. unlike prison, everything is nice and clean. >> reporter: we went to atascadero to see what life is like inside. no matter what they did to get in here, everyone, technically, can get out. they have to follow the rules and go to therapy sessions. the catch is that nobody leaves, no matter what they did, until they are, quote, cured. which may or may not happen. >> it's a mental game. not knowing, not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, things change. you know, mentally, for you. >> reporter: this is what a typical unit looks like. this is a nursing station. in a prison, you might find a

guard station, but this is a nursing station. there's also a common area, where the patients could come and watch tv. there's a bathroom that they use. over here, you can see a typical patient room. and it is much different than you would find in terms of a prison cell. look at the difference. first of all, inside, all there is, really, is a bed. there's also a window here, but there's no toilet. one other distinction, this door here is always unlocked. the patients here can come and go as they please. >> there is somewhat more freedom of movement for these patients, but at the same time, they have much higher expectations for taking part in treatment activities. >> reporter: while less than 1% of criminal defendants in the united states end up being classified as insane, james holmes has shown clear signs of mental illness. recent court documents show that holmes has been taken to a psychiatric hospital twice, so it is still unclear whether, if found guilty, he'll end up in a prison or a hospital. >> ted, that's amazing, just to

see those rooms. when you were walking in, how there's no bathroom. you mentioned, obviously, when everyone sees that picture of him with his eyes wide and he looks completely insane there, but since his arrest, he has done some things that have added to that worry, right? >> yeah, absolutely. there's been a couple of incidents, he's been hospitalized twice, he tried to put a paper clip into an electric outlet. he bashed his head against the wall and was taken into a hospital because they deemed him at the jail a danger to himself. he was restrained in that hospital. the signs are there that he has definite mental issues. whether or not he'll get that not guilty verdict by reason of insanity remains to be seen. that's a tough road. >> we'll see what happens tomorrow. now the horse meat scandal that's hit fast food joints and super markets in europe. taco meat, burger king, and ikea bought mislabeled meat that was horse meat.

now, they can produce horse meat in the united states, for the first time since 2006. now, that's raising a lot of fear and some anger. and we wanted to learn more about the plant and what it would do. casey wian and "outfront" now with an exclusive look at what the new horse slaughter plant in new mexico is going to look like. >> reporter: ricardo santos ran this new mexico cattle slaughterhouse until drought and recession forced him to shut down last year. now he's weeks away from reopening, but this time to slaughter horses. >> it will be a facility that's run professionally and we will do everything we can to maintain, or to do it humanely. >> reporter: these are the mens where the horses will be kept before they're slaughtered. they'll also be inspected here by usda inspectors. they'll then be moved into this chute and walk up this way, one after the other. the horses will then enter what's called the knocking chute. they'll go through this passageway here. after each horse enters the

chute, this door here will be closed. that way, the horses waiting to be slaughtered will not be spooked by what happens to the horse in here. this is the captive bottle gun. it uses hair pressure to shoot a bolt into a horse's skull, knocking them unconscious immediately. >> it's operated by hair, shoots out a captive bolt out of here. this whole chute area goes up, and then, the horse rolls out. then we will hoist it up, and that's when we bleed them and take the head off. once it's up here, it's already food. >> reporter: food to be sold for human consumption overseas. santos says he has no interest in selling horse meat to americans, which remains illegal. evidence of horses being slaughtered under horrific conditions caused congress to outlaw the industry in 1936. >> they smell blood, they panic. it's not -- it's pretty gruesome.

>> reporter: recently, congress lifted the ban. some say it actually caused more suffering. last year, 170,000 american horses were slaughtered in mexico and canada. recession-strapped horse owners, either abandoned or starved countless others, like charlie, who came to this horse rescue ranch on the brink of death. >> he had been starved to the point that he was just a skeleton. >> reporter: charles graham has saved scores of horses, yet he favors lifting the slaughter ban. >> if we're going to send 170,000 horses out of the united states to be slaughtered, we lose control of those horses, whenever they cross the border. and we're not selling anybody to go slaughter their horse. and we're not supporting slaughtering. all we're saying is, it has to be an option, based on the number of unwanted horses that there are in this country. >> people in the slaughter camp will tell you, you know, that we have to do this, because there's a crisis and they're trying to do a service to our community and our nation by getting rid of these unwanted horses.

and the fact of the matter is, this is a purely profit-driven industry. >> reporter: de los santos says he does need to make a living and plans to hire workers when his slaughterhouse opens. >> what do we do with those 10,000 horses a month? i don't think -- no one has come up with a better alternative right now. >> the horses are livestock. they're not companion pets. i think the only thing that the animal rights groups and people like us are arguing about is whether or not there's going to be a beneficial use of the carcass after the horse has been put down. >> reporter: casey wian, cnn, roswell, new mexico. >> a great piece there. and still to come, tiger woods gets his biggest win in years. but does it really mean he's back? wait until you see where the ball went. plus, i sit down with former first lady, laura bush. what she had to say about her husband, the current state of the gop, and her daughters. a victim in the first place,tg we have specialists for that, too. ♪

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our fifth story "outfront," former first lady, laura bush. i just sat down with the former first lady at the new george w. bush presidential center, as part of cnn's what women want campaign. and we talked about a whole lot of things. and she also gave me a sneak peek of the new presidential center. >> so, this is all texas native prairie grasses. >> reporter: it may seem unusual to find 15 acres of mature prairie in the heart of dallas, but former first lady laura bush says it feels just like home. the new urban park is designed after the bush family ranch in crawford, and it's part of the george w. bush presidential center at smu, which makes its public debut next month. mrs. bush, thank you so much for having us here, and this little sneak peek -- >> thank you for coming, erin. i'm glad you're here to see it.

>> reporter: i sat down with the former first lady to talk about the bush's educational program. >> it's really the answer, i guess, to a dream that george and i both had. we both believed that women are going to be the ones who lead the democracy movement across the broader middle east and so we brought, a year ago, a group of egyptian women. we decided to focus on egypt first. >> reporter: 14 egyptian women have spent the past year learning leadership skills from prominent american women, in education, health care, business, politics, law, and media. >> a lot of people say egypt, and they, especially when you think of women. there have been gang rapes in tahrir square and the numbers on things like genital mutilation remain horrific, something like 90 plus percent. what made you said, egypt now? >> well, we picked egypt. we met -- we actually are bringing women all from the same country with the idea that they would meet each other and then go home and have each other as a

network. we looked and egypt seemed the most promising, of all of the arab spring countries. >> reporter: amany eid entered the program with some hesitation. >> it was a feeling that, back home, president bush, and some people are not very happy with the politics. >> reporter: amany says the fellowship has been an invaluable experience. i first met amiss last year on the floor of the new york stock exchange. >> i learned a lot of skills, and as a journalist and as a person interested in public affairs and women's rights. >> building a network of professional women is the cornerstone of the program. >> your network is your largest indicator of success. more, even, than your education level. >> reporter: with another 19 women joining the 2013 class, laura bush says the fellowship

program will make a major impact for years to come. >> they didn't know each other when they came here a year ago. they've worked with each other ever since. they've introduced each other to their colleagues and their families, and already, their network is much broader than just the 14 women that came, initially. >> i can imagine, for a woman, who is building an i.t. company, a start-up in egypt, going to the silicon valley, with google and facebook, it was an amazing experience. >> reporter: amani says she's looking forward to expanding her nonprofit in egypt, but will always have fond memories of texas. >> having spent some time in dallas, very tempting to go blond and buy boots. >> mrs. bush is trying to take the lead when it comes to women's issues. in addition to the fellowship program, the bush institute is expanding in africa and afghanistan. i asked mrs. bush why she felt so compelled to help so many

woman overseas. >> i think that it's so important that if we want peace in the world, if we want to have peace in our own country, and not be a afraid of a terrorist attack, like we had on september 11th, that it's really important that we help other countries. >> you said that you and the president are partners in this women's initiative. what made him become so dedicated to it? obviously, he's got two docto daughters and you, so he's surrounded by -- >> i think he's dedicated to it like everybody else in our country, we've looked at the countries where women are marginalized and we nearly always see a failing country. and i think it's just important when you lack arouook around th to make sure that men and women can help their countries prosper, in every way. >> an egyptian woman, her name is sameer ib raham, she's been

criticized for sending 201tweet that are anti-semitic and un-american. when people want change, you have to support some of these things, because it pays off in the end. is that a trade-off we have to make? >> no, i don't think so, not necessarily. but i do think it's really important that we do support women in any way we can in the u.s. and i know american women want to do that. it's easy for us to recruit the mentors, the american women mentors, for our class of egyptian fellas, because american women are interested in women around the world. and they want to see women succeed. >> when you're looking around for partners, i have to say, the person that i thought of, who's now free, now available is hillary clinton. >> sure. >> would you do something with her? i mean, it seems like she's also had a passion for women. >> well, i don't know, you know, what she is going to do now. but i suspect that she'll work with the clinton global initiative, just like i am, with george w. bush institute. so i think there are probably

many ways that our two initiatives can partner. and of course, she was our partner with pink ribbon/red ribbon. she came to the summit and signed the mou between the u.s. state department and the bush institute for pink ribbon/red ribbon. >> there's a new book, sheryl sandberg's book, and i was actually reading your testimonial. your lean in, about 9/11. and i was curious why you chose to join that board. why that was important to you? >> i just thought it was interesting. this whole idea of empowering women, by the idea of being able to lean in to an issue or a way that you can both develop your own self, in a broader and deeper way. but also, to be able to help other people. and you know, i have two girls, who have been leaning in, since the day they were born. i think they're both very interested in the outside world

and in life outside of themselves. when you go through those teenage years, teenagers are usually very self-conscious and my advice, always, to teenagers and young people is to move outside of yourself, by ralooki at other people, but looking at ways you can use your own talents to either help other people or support other people or develop your interests. and i would say that barbara and jen certainly have done that. >> leaning in. and now jenna is having a baby and leaning in, it's hard. >> so she's going to have all of it. >> "time" called that book the most ambitious mission to reboot feminism in 40 years. and i thought it was amazing, because sheryl talks about the ambition gap between men and women, and how success and likability are positively correlated for men and negatively for women, which is so frustrating for so many women still. and obviously, you have your two daughters who are so professionally successful. do you think it's time, and i know this is a loaded word, but for a feminist manifesto, that

it's time for that again? >> well, i don't know what a feminist manifesto really means. i do think that these are very different times. you know, we can -- i know what it was like in the very first of the feminist movement, when i joined a women's consciousness raising group. and times are different now. i will say that i was raised by my parents to think i could do anything. and i think that's the way george and i raised our girls. i think american girls in general believe that. i don't know why more girls or women don't run for office. i'm sorry that more women don't choose to run for office. but, frankly, i would never choose to run for office. >> i mean, your daughters have both said they don't want to. >> and they grew up in a very political family, and they know what it's like. they have many great role models. i mean, their grandmother, as well as their grandfather, obviously. and they know that there are a lot of ways that you can be involved in policy and in public life without actually running

for office. they have cousins, boys, who i think are interested and would want to follow the family business, really, of being in political office. >> some of the issues with women, in the country, obviously, you know, last time, more than half the women voted for president obama, in part because of abortion, gay marriage, issues like that. do you think the republican party has made a mistake in doubling down on those issues, and making social issues so central to the platform of -- >> well, no. i wouldn't say that, necessarily. and every candidate was different, you know, each one of them. there were office examples of candidates that were, that i think frightened some women. but they were the exception, rather than the norm, in the party. and, you know, all of those social issues are very, very heartfelt by people. and i understand that. there are differences, and people, you know, there just will be. and i'm glad that in our party, we have room for all of them. i think that's important, too.

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