vow to respect the integrity of the process. >> the oath has been taken in unison now each individual cardinal in reverse order from oldest to youngest will come put their hand on the bible and again swear secrecy of the conclave? >> right. it's not merely secrecy. this is a process in which they are voting before god in their own conscience to do what they believe to be the right thing for the church, rather than being subjected to any kind of external influence. all of this, chris, obviously, the choreography, setting before michelangelo's fresco of the last judgment, swearing of thoet as a group and individually all intented to drive home to cardinal electors this isn't just a political game they're about to participate in. but this is a fateful choice that they are making before god. >> if you can, either of you, i don't know how good your latin is, when they have tight shots on the book, if you can see the latin, wonder what it reads?

>> also interesting to see what gospel. having read what that is, do we know what gospel they're swear tag oath on? >> it's the book of the new testament. which page they have it open to, i'm not entirely sure. >> what's on the left, chris, actually is a latin text of what they're supposed to read. the truth is not all 115 cardinals, a, will have this committed to memory or, b are fluent in laten. these are words they need to say on the left? >> on the left, that's correct. >> right is the gospel. >> that's right. >> notice, of course, putting their hand on the right on the g gospel. >> cardinal mahoney? >> that's right. cardinal roger mahoney of los angeles. >> controversial figure, obviously. he's been very public since he's been here. he's been very charismatic since he's been here but controversial and decided to come vote, right? >> that's right.

there were accusations early in cardinal mahoney's career he was involved in covering up accusations of child sexual abuse, accusations that the cardinal has acknowledged, insists later in his career he turned the corner. but in any event, there were many groups, particularly including groups, victims of sexual abuse, who believed that the participation of cardinal mahoney and a few others in the conclave was inappropriate. >> because of that, he's one of the tweeting cardinals since he's arrived. >> very active. >> draw your attention to the faces of the men waiting to take their oaths as you watch this picture. >> when we see tight shots, notice each cardinal is wearing a ring, the insignificanta of his office. the rings are different. the event in which a pope creates new cardinal is called a

consistory. the ring is identified for the class. they reflect the particular year and particular time in which these men were inducted by the college of cardinals by the pope who elevated them. 66 of 115 were named by benedict xvi and the remainder john paul ii. >> and yet, we have heard that in the general congregations, robust debate and a lot of energy about what needs to be done in the church. >> sure. the fact that they may agree on big picture items points to doctrine doesn't mean in terms of style arc approach, personal and priorities there aren't enormous difference. remember these 115 men are all people who have reached so to speak the pinnacle of their profession. they all have strong ideas about which way the church ought to go and there is no simple solution

to bringing those 115 personalities together. the man in front of us cardinal shown burn, one considered to be a serious candidate to walk out of the sistine chapel wearing white rather than red. >> one man known to the entire 115 because he was out front in dem dem dem dem month straightive and a student of pope benedict. >> post doctoral work under father ratzinger. father francis george of chicago, 76, wildly considered the leading intellectual light of the american cardinals. i believe to be the last american cardinal to -- >> as they finish up taking the oath, what comes next? >> what comes next, in fairly short order, the extra omnus.

>> the last moment our eyes are allowed to be on the conclave. [ speaking latin ] [ speaking latin ]

[ speaking latin ] [ speaking latin ] >> all of the men speaking language but you can detect different accents. how many different countries are represented in 115? >> i believe the number is 51. we know that all continents are

represented and although, you know, the composition of the college of cardinals does not reflect the demog graphy of the church on the ground. two-thirds come from the developed world, two-thirds live in the developing world. a cardinal from spain swearing his oath. next cardinal napier from south africa, behind him, honduras. you get a taste of the universality. the word catholic means universal, embracing the whole world. >> the cardinal next was considered a papal contender in past elections but not so much this time, john. >> that beautiful word, so difficult to say. >> you're getting there, chris. >> do the plural? >> you taught me. that's why i know. and now, the cardinals are continuing to queue up for this in a rotation, obviously too many for a single line.

and they have gone in order from the oldest or the longest cardinal from the youngest or the newest. once that is done we will then have the moment where it becomes all about them. right now they know not only are they on television but they have literally the eyes of the catholic world upon them. interestingly we've been talking about how they all come from different countries, maybe 50 represented among the 115 cardinals who are electors which they are united 48 countries we believe they represent. they are united in their purpose and faith. but it's also a window into their not knowing each other. being from literally different worlds in some cases, right. >> that's true. one thing of being a cardinal it typically means that you come to rome quite often, take parts in events here, vatican events, most of the cardinals of the

world come when new cardinals are created. so they do have opportunities over the years to to get to know one another. one of the things that makes this difference from last one two cardinals had ever been in a conclave before, one from the was joseph ratzinger, who became benedict xvi. this time 15 have been through the process. they do know one other better than last time which makes this process more complicated. not only do they know one another quite well but a larger group of guys who are veterans who feel they know the lay of the land and inclined to be active players in the process. >> let's listen in now. next cardinal angelo scola, from milan, archbishop of milan. let's listen to him. [ speaking latin ]

>> a field where there is no favorite, i have been saying to you all week, john, and you followed, i'm lonely as a reporter on the story because it's so hard to get information. what are the hard facts that make angelo scola someone who must be considered at the top or near the top of the list who could be pope? >> i think the first is those of us with background conversations of cardinals over last two weeks constantly hear his name. further i think there's universal agreement among people who sort of handicap this feel for a living but this hasn't taken shape over the last two weeks. for the last several years it's understood. named archbishop of milan previous job patriarch of

venice. everyone knows milan is a springboard to the papacy. when a pope chooses to put someone in that position, it's in the that he's appointing him his successor but he's not naive, putting someone in that job you are putting him into the mix as someone's who's going to be considered. attractive to many because he hasn't worked in the vatican. >> has not worked in the vatican? >> correct. a pastoral cardinal, experiencing the administration of a large diocese. before milan he was in venice. he has a lot of on the ground experience and that's attractive to many of those who will be voting. >> scola, of course, italian, a cultural bias and numerically they have the most cardinal. here is cardinal peter turkson from ghana. let's listen. [ speaking latin ]

>> cardinal turkson also considered somebody who could be pope from ghana, could be the first subsaharan african pope. what makes him somebody who is worthy of mention, john? >> well, chris, basically i think the cardinals this time are looking for a kind of insider/outsider combination. they want somebody who has enough experience with the vatican, realistic to believe he can get the place under control but remains an outsider he's not wedded necessarily to traditional ways and means of doing business. cardinal turkson fits that profile. he's been a paster in africa, ghana, for a number of years, was an officer in the african bishops conference. has a lot of on the ground nuts and bolts experience. but he currently heads the pontifical council. it's that insider/outsider appeal that many believe cardinal turkson is a leading

african candidate. there's another african cardinal, from guinea who has much of the same appeal. there are some concern, actually, those two african candidates might cancel one another out. >> they're similar? >> quite similar. in addition, there is a vote for an african candidate mathematically it would be nice there is one so all african votes would concentrate on that guy rather than spread over different ballots. >> cardinal turkson has had a few public gaffes that have not helped im. >> is it a gaffe? i was looking over what he said publicly. it didn't seem like he was politicking. >> i don't mean the fact that people thought he was politicking but when he spoke at the bishop's conference last year and obviously in africa muslim question is paramount, and he showed a video -- >> this is cardinal peter errdu also someone of mention. let's listen.

>> that was cardinal lalette from canada. interesting. my correction. an important distinction because this is somebody who we're talking about how candidates sometimes drop out becomes relevant. let's listen for a second. >> you can see coming up in the line someone who has garnered a lot of attention, cardinal shawn o'malley, with the beard, will be fourth up. >> before we get to cardinal o'malley, with cardinal walette from canada. two main candidates aren't getting to two-thirds cardinal believe god must not want either one. his name comes up. >> sure. if you run the list of what cardinals are looking for, somebody with a global vision, somebody who can be an evangelizer, inspire people in terms of faith and somebody with governing capacity, ability to make the trains run on time, the cardinal spent 12 years of his life as missionary in latin

america, speaks six or seven languages comfortably, that's the global vision. he was the archbishop of quebec city, the most secular environment in america and worked in the vatican and a governor. >> cardinal sean emo'malley. let's listen. [ speaking latin ] >> sean o'malley. interestingly, we know for sure this is the first time that americans have ever been in the dialogue for who could be pope. the attraction is, as i understand, cardinal o'malley, he has done hard line reform on things that are very important in the general congregation, yes? >> i think for church insiders that's certainly the appeal. he profiles as reformer on the child sexual abuse scandals not because of the reclamation operation he had to do in boston

but prior to that he had been in two smaller diocese that had two similar difficulties. i think his popular appeal on streets of rome is something else. i think it's because he's a franciscan, wears the simple brown franciscan habit, the beard, the simplicity of the man. in this country, franciscans are rock stars. they are seen as the complete polar opposite of the clerical stereotypes of power and prestige and all of that. they're considered simple, humble men of the people. interesting footnote of o'malley, if elected the first bearded pope in 213 years. >> would he be allowed to keep it? >> he would be pope, chris. he can keep it in he wants to. >> only one energy to tell him what to do. >> if he might step out on the balcony in his franciscan habit. he has not worn the cardinal red

preferring his own franciscan habit. [ speaking latin ] >> and what is the appeal of bagnasco? what is bagnasco mentioned? >> when named president of the italian bishops conference, the only conference in the world named by papal appointment rather than elected by bishops he was a compromised candidate and not much expected of hum but he's grown into the role. he's a very effective spokes person for the church on the italian national scene. his real appeal is that he's seen as a guy that can hold diverse currents together, bring progressives and conservatives, italy's north and south, you know, people who are interested in internal church affairs and people interested in stuff outside the church, he can bring them together and broker compromise. in a church that is quite

divided, chris, we know that reality, he is seen as somebody who might be a reconciler, a unifier. >> it looks like the line is coming to its end. nobody else queueing up now. >> the person next. >> daniel denardo from houston and behind him the cardinal from brazil. >> that will be important, obviously. we'll talk about why after we hear him take his oath. [ speaking latin ] >> okay, looking at it on paper, cardinal scherrer, and you guys know better than i, my novice take, seems to check a lot of boxes from brazil, the most catholics in the world, in charge of the largest single population as a diocese. he has europe descent in his

name, in his blood. also known, though, by people in the vatican, he's a known quantity, he's seen as one of the guys for them. it seems to be a lot of different boxes to check, making him attract in, fair? >> that's imminently fair assessment and he's near the top of handicapping sheets. the problem in the last week and a half he's been styled in the italian papers not merely as somebody who knows the old guard in the vet can but somebody who is a creature of the old guard in the vatican. he's a protege of john batista ray. in an electorate that has anti-establishment mood, that perception, might some people believe, might end up hurting cardinal scherrer in the early rounds of balloting. >> it's so important, some have said why have we lost many brazilian pentecostalism with him there and the same thing

happening if he were pope. >> interesting to hear being part of the vatican is seen as a negative. >> used to be the all-stars. >> this is cardinal donald wehrl of washington. >> let's hear his voice. there he goes. why could yget some discussion? >> a conclave in which governance, that is bis management, paramount concern, cardinal wuerl seen as one of best business managers in bishops. the dead center of the american bishops conference. he continues winning election after election for committees within the conference because he's seen as a guy who can move the ball and get things done. further he has vatican experience. in rome from 1969 to 1979 as the secretary of then-cardinal john wright. footnote, chris, he actually is

the 51st cardinal to have been in a conclave before because in 1978 cardial wright was in a wheelchair and allowed to bring his priest secretary in the conclave to attend to medical needs and that secretary was cardinal wuerl and the man organized, pope benedict xvi's visit to the united states when he visited washington and new york, had the memorable first-meeting with victims of sexual abuse at papal ambassador's residence. >> there's distinction on that resume also. it difficult in talking about this process because you have to balance what seems like overtly political considerations that we would make, say if it were a u.s. presidential election and respecting the solemnity of how these men see it regardless of whether or not you respect the faith itself. to them personal ambition isn't allowed, to them you're not allowed to politic, to them there is an external force

that's more powerful them themselves that will control this. it's an interesting thing to balance that we ordinarily see as avris. >> the men in the room want a holy man elected. they want sun who will listen to promptings of the holy spirit. it can't be someone full of ambition or his own self-interests. they want someone who is open to the will of god as the church moves forward. >> and looking up at frescoes, cardinal dolan from new york. you see him look -- he's eyeing the ceiling, the room around him. >> it's striking, you know, when you see tim dolan's face he's got a belly laugh on it. on he seems to be struck by the awesomeness of the moment. >> he does. >> let's listen in. [ speaking latin ]

>> a -- >> so those of us from the united states from new york, are we kidding ourselves? you've been allowing us build up a measure of enthusiasm, john. i want going to take it up now during coverage. >> the reality of the situation is in a field without a clear front-runn front-runner, you've got three, four candidates that could have strong support in early rounds one plausible scenario here is that none of the three or four candidates looks like they'll. >> to the 2/3 of the vote. all options are on the table. >> this cardinal's costume, what

does it designate? >> a cardinal from india, represents one of the eastern right churches there are 22 so-called eastern right churches in full communion with rome. they are local to the pope and the vestments that you see represent the eastern church. >> vestments. i said costume. i'm trying to balance the secular and religious. i'm sorry for that. and again, i think it's an interesting principle for people to understand, as we watch this process. usually, in elected politics people neck and neck, there are going to be concessions to form consensus. something that is anomalous here, because of this extra power, this looking for clarity outside yourself, when people are very close, they may remove both candidates and look for someone fresh and new and until then, untested and unmeasured. >> which of course happened with john paul ii. >> speaking of fresh and new, chris. >> here is cardinal tacolai from

the philippines. >> 5 years old from the philippines. very charismatic, respected inside the vatican, outside, relatively new, though. why are we hearing about him so much? >> we said one of the items on the wish list is evangelizer, put a positive face on the church's message and get people excited about it. tagle is an effective evan gel i'der. i have been at international meetings he's delivered a keynote address and there's not a dry eye in the house. one of the highest rated weekly television programs in the philippines not just in terms of the religious world but generally. he writes best-selling books but it's not brash in your face charisma of timothy dolan, it's a simpler sort of style but equally effective.

>> known as a simple, humble man who would invite beggars from the square into cathedral to have lunch. a famous story about a woman looking for her alcoholic husband who she assumed in a bar and found him at the table of the cardinal having lunch. >> we see here cardinal leonardo sandri, appeared on the list, born in argentine narc worked his entire career in the vatican, diplomat, centrist. if what they are looking for is a governor who can make the trains run on time a lot of people believe cardinal sandri will be a serious contender. >> once again, the line is shortening but as i have learned by making this mistake going by coverage they come out by row of table. people are trying to control the queue. that's why they kind of come in waves. >> it's worth making the point,

actually, it's not entirely clear from television, the sistine chapel is relatively small. >> right. >> look at the tables, they are shoulder to shoulder from one another. and it actually's a logistical challenge to set up seating for 115 guys. particularly when having processions like this, the choreography has to be fairly exact. >> in fact they put platforms in not to protect the floor but to make it easier for the cardinals, some whom are elderly to walk so they don't have to do too much stepping up and down. >> you have grooves and mini peaks and valleyed in the stone floor, marble floor of the sistine chapel is. >> it true that the substructure in the chapel has been designed to allow for electronic capabilities for jamming devices and like that to keep some of the privacy of the intact in. >> well, this is actually debated point, believe it or not. back in 20005 we were told the structure that was erected off the floor, they were jamming

devices under it. we were told this time it's not the case. jamming devices are elsewhere. we've been told they're not under the floor. in in any event rest assured wherever the devices are located at moment they've been switched on for today. >> now are they on to keep the cardinals from sending messages out or from the media for trying to listen in, both in. >> it's a little from come lum a and a little from column b. we're presuming cardinals know the rules of the game and are not updating twitter accounts. >> especially after all of this swearing on the oath. >> we should say there are a few cardinal cardinal adepth on twitter. one posted a tweet saying he was suffering from twitter withdrawal while the conclave rolls on. >> also posted a tweet yesterday saying pray for me as we enter the most solemn time.

>> interestingly something we learned about the process from you, john, is that at least i did, that the cardinals are heavy minded now about whom to vote for but they don't have to worry about voting for themselves, right? >> exactly right. it's an aspect of the rules that a cardinal may not vote for himself. and this is part of the broader picture, which is you should not be campaigning for the papacy, not merely because it's unseemly but over the years more than one cardinal said if i guy wants this job he has no idea on earth what it's about because if you are understood the impossible expectations of the human level and the awesome spiritual nature of the role, it really is the last thing you would get out of bed in the morning and aspire to. >> the next cardinal after this is cardinal ravasi, he gave a retreat this year to the cardinals. it should be noted two previous popes did the same, john paul ii

and pope benedict gave that retreat and this is the man. [ speaking latin ] >> i think if you were picking a quiz bowl team in the college of cardinals ravasi is the guy you want it. he's the best read cardinals you'll find. >> he quoted amy winehouse music. >> the cardinal ravasi coughs up literal illusions, naturally and without thinking about it. >> what does that mean when someone of gee ravasi station qs someone like amy winehouse? what does it mean. >> he wanted to make sure he knew that the youth were listening to so he could understand the culture. he's ministering to the culture.

>> he's founded an outreach project the courtyard of the gent tiles designed to engage the worlds of art and culture and science and so on. he staged these dialogues with a vow to atheists in various european capitals, recently in stockholm. he did a book with a french atheist philosopher, they collaborated on a book about st. theresa. he's a pope with a long and rich history being able to meet people outside the church and engage them in conversation. >> i heard that has hurt him among the cardinals. they've been suspect of his association with the group. >> there is some concern about whether he's too out there. i think the main knock against ravasi he's never been a parish priest and never run a diocese. so it's that lack of practical pastoral experience that would concern some people. >> we keep hearing the cardinals give an oath. it is in latin. they say their name, and i

cardinal whatever their name is, i promise i oblige, and i swear. okay. and the masters of ceremonies dma chant in response, may god help me, and that was the original chant in unison. this is cardinal deaviz from brazil. south american, what distinguishes him? >> the main thing is that cardinal -- two things. one, cardinal seen as a moderate a bit more centrist than cardinal scherrer. the other is that cardinal braz is close to the catholic movement, a movement born in italy, during the chaos of the second world war. emphasizing unity formed by a labor man. the only movement in the church whose constitutions mandate the

president must be a woman. it's an effective movement at promoting unity and a church struggling with internal divisions. >> an important moment to those watching around the world now, this is the last cardinal. >> an american, cardinal james javy. >> taking the oath. and this is the last act of the conclave that the publics a howed to see. let listen as it's about to begin.

>> feel the need to go to confession during the conclave, there are peeriests there available to do it for them. >> passionists with the passionist sign. >> the vice director of the press office. >> what is this vestment? with the hat? with the feather? >> it's a swiss guard. >> is there a specific name for that so i don't get it wrong? >> in the color coding of the catholic church, by the way,

chris, purple, designates a bishop or archbishop whereas red, of course restricted to cardinals. you see the archbishop, right hand man, private secretary, priest sencretary 30 pope benedict xvi. >> this is the moment the word conclave means with a key, they are locked behind the door technically to do the work of electing a pope. >> it seems like the last man is about to come out before the doors are shut.

the conclave with the key, italian right if you say the door is closed. now, interestingly, mariri, is there another exit where they leave out of? >> marini's last act to close the doors to the sistine chapel but you can leave from the corner on other side of the room behind the main altar. >> the conclave has officially begun. one of the few things we didn't see, which you were referring to in the sistine chapel is the stove and the companion stove that shoots chemical packets one

task of getting smoke, white or black, seemingly impossible to get perfect. tonight, one vote. if they don't vote not to vote. has there ever been a pope on the first vote? >> as a matter of fact, there has. pope gregory i in 1371. you have to reach slightly farther than a pope resigned, 50 years back in time. the shock of all shocks if that piece of history were to repeat itself tonight. >> historically, it has not always been cardinals who elected the pope. in the early centuries, it was a very popular decision by the clergy of rome and the people of rome by acclamation they would shout it out and that person was named pope. >> father, you and i have been talking. if that practice were in force now i think sean o'malley might be sitting on the throne of peter i can't get into the cab or walk into a restaurant or get

my hair cut without a guy saying why don't they elect o'malley as pope? >> he would have it hands down. >> it's less than than any other to type of election. other considerations that go into what is meaningful to the church and by the church you get into a cleaver definition. we are talking about the college of cardinals, laity, there is a disconnect. >> absolutely. if you hold a plebiscite you might get a different result than this election. in this case 115 cardinals under 80 who determine the outcome of who becomes next pope. >> miguel marquez is outside in saint peters square on the verge of the vatican. you've been out there, the mood as they watch the big screens, conclave has begun. what did you see and hear? >> reporter: well, it's mushy out here but certainly the

crowds are starting to gather. people are starting to move away now from the square now that they have finished the huge screens out in the basilica and plaza, have gone to pictures of the basilica itself and the crowds are starting to leave. no one seemingly expecting black smoke or white smoke anytime soon. there are a lot of people coming down here just out of curiosity to see smoke just period. we expect that might happen in the next two hours, perhaps three hours or so, to see that chimney just over there on the sistine chapel. and the smoke pour out of there. we expect black smoke tonight. white smoke as john said would be a very big shock. the rain i damping spirits a litt little bit but the decision is to big, when it comes this place is going to explode with excitement. chris? >> miguel, nobody understands

conditions better than you. do me a favor when you look where the chimney is, with the density of humidity, with the wind, wit the rain, do you have any concerns whether or not you'll be able to be our ace on smoke watch? >> reporter: that is the question. it's hard to say. they have put up lights so that you can see the chimney and if it is very heavy rain, it might be hard to see any smoke coming out of there. the other thing that we do have, though, is this bell here on the left side of the basilica. that will toll perhaps a little better and quicker than it did last time around when cardinal ratzinger became pope. it took them 15, 20 minutes to get the bell ringing. that bell will ring as well indicating a new pope. no matter what the weather is, it's looking like it's going to be poor weather the next couple of days, we'll know one way or the other went that pope is

selected. >> now, thank you. while there is tremendous pressure on miguel marquez to not get scooped by any other reporter when white smoke comes out of the chimney, inside we're not in a situation where now that the doors are closed they take off their hats. now, let's start getting down to business and the cigars come out. this is a very different solemn process. it is not a negotiation, correct? >> that's absolutely right. what goes on is more akin to going mass than a political convention. the first thing that's going to happen they are going to hear a reflection and meditation from a brother cardinal who is over 80, other prayers will be said. this choreographed process of voting begins. it's the not just raise your hand. >> no discussion, no nominations, nothing? >> it's not like somebody stands up and says, i think you ought to vote -- there's no campaign speeches, none of that. there's a complicated process of balloting that takes an hour to perform and they'll call it a

night. >> hold on. detail, we love the detail, john. you know them all. they have a piece of paper, they literal literally write out their vote, right? >> that's right. given a piece of paper, they write out their vote in hand. >> the name. >> yes, the name. >> asked to disguise their hand writing. >> asked to disguise it. >> carefully fold the ballot into thirds. >> thirds? >> right. not halves, but thirds. and they process up in individually in the same you saw them take the oath. >> holding the ballot. >> they walk up to a table erected in front of the fresco of the last judgment, hold the ballot aloft, recite they are voting before god in conscience with the man they believe elected deposit into a urn, this happens 115 times and there's a team of three cardinals that takes the ballots out the the urns, one by one. >> hold it right there. that is an exciting part, the detail we love it.

we're going it take a break. right now looking at live picture outside st. peters square. we're going to continue with live picture as much as we can as this process goes. we'll take a break. when we come back, i'll be with john allen and father back for viewers in america, all around the world and talk about the vetting process unlike anything you've ever heard of before in any election. when we come back after the break we'll tell you what happens in the conclave. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪

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welcome to "around the world" i'm suzanne malveaux in washington, d.c. today. >> good to see you. i'm michael holmes in atlanta. we'd like to welcome our viewers in the u.s. and right around the world. where else to begin, but rome. the papal conclave officially under way in vatican city. the cardinals are in the sistine chapel, as you heard before the break. that is where the vote for the next pope is going to be held. if everything that goes on in there now that those doors are closed, remains a secret. the first vote by the cardinals could come at anytime? watch noerg stor another story. five american troops died in afghanistan when they're helicopter crashed during a rainstorm in southern kandahar province. no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

oscar pistorius trying to get some of his bail restricts changed. the olympic athlete known as the blade runner, charged with murdering his girlfriend on valentine's day. family spokesman tells cnn pistorius wants to travel overseas and sell some of his assets leak his house to pay legal bills. >> weapons of mass destruction development and proliferation is another threat to u.s. interests. north korea demonstrated capabilities th capabilities that threaten the united states and environment of east asia. >> a senate hearing today. north korea has ramped up its threats against the u.s. and south korea. recently north korea scrapped the 1953 armistice that ended fighting with its war in the south. well, anna currin at the for fo bord border watching tensions unfold. >> reporter: as north korea continues to threaten war on the

korean peninsula the military hear in south korea reman on high alert. we are on the border near the dmz. this is as close as we can get to north korea. the rail line behind me used to go all the way to pyongyang. now it crosses the river into the demille ta rised zone. this location is considered highly sensitive. the south korean military have asked us not to reveal posts identify troops or show defense systems. this, of course, comes in the wake of north korea scrapping the armistice agreement that end the korean war in 1953 and se e severed the hot line between two. in f. there is military provocation there is no official way of communicating. kim jong-un reportedly been on the border addressing his front line troops. he's told them to throw all enemied into the cauldron to break their waists and crack

their windpipes on his orders. he's also threatened to launch an attack on the headquarters of the south korean marines stationed on an island very close to the island attacked back in 2010. while kim jong-un may be rallying his troops the united states and south korea are holding their own joint military exercises on the cokorean peninsula. if there's provocation from the north it will respond in a resolute and destructive manner. >> all right. when we come back, outrage over a hug. you heard right, iran's president under fire for giving comfort to chavez's mom. we'll be right back. ple o ng to help eliminate litter box odor. ♪ discover tidy cats pure nature. clumping litter with natural cedar, pine, and corn. only hertz gives you a carfirmation.

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the world. why? muslim men, by tradition, not allowed to do this at all, that is touch women outside of their families. >> a big no-no. reza sayah covers iran. tell us about the backlash and what sort of impact it could have on president ahmadinejad. it's not like he's running for office anytime soon. >> reporter: he's not. he's going to be done in a couple of months. i don't think think is going to have big political implications for president ahmadinejad. but it really shows that his political enemies, domestically within iran are increasing in number and increasingly become aggressive in going after him. if you look at this picture in a youtube video of this exchange that's available, to a lot of people it looks like an innocent, comforting consolation hug in a holding of the hand. this happened this week at hugo chavez's funeral. president ahmadinejad was there. he comes face-to-face with hugo

chavez's mother, two have what looks like an emotional exchange and one point president ahmadinejad reaches over and touches hugo chavez's mother's shoulder. this is the exchange that sparked the controversy in iran, a country where the strict interpretation of islamic law says, if you're a man you can't touch a woman in f. she's not related to you. several clerics criticize president ahmadinejad, one said he was clowning around failed to uphold dignity of iran and the presidency. another said what ahmadinejad did was a sin and delivered a reminder that men can only touch women, they're not related to, only if the woman is drowning or in need of medical attention. suzanne? >> so, explain this to us. how could this weaken him in some ways, and how is the ayatollah, split with the ayatollah weigh in with what has happened here? could this make it very hard for

him to leave in some way? >> well, look, this is a fascinating story in and of itself. look at big picture. what's happening in iran, a remarkable conflict within esta. you have president ahmadinejad and his supporters on the other side you have the clerical elite, the supreme leader himself, and other members of the clerical establishment. many critics of president ahmadinejad believe that he's overstepped his authority during past two terms, he's become too prominent, too powerful. every time that he does a misstep like this you can see his political enemies going at him. this type of conflict would have been unheard of several years ago in iran but you're seeing this rift that's growing within the establishment in iran. >> all right. reza sayah, thank you very much. fascinating. to see that kind of division there. and to see, i mean, ahmadinejad has been in some trouble before.

and it just looks like he keeps getting weaker and weaker in his own country. >> interesting, too. images of him kissing not the mother of hugo chavez. we've got what is now being alleged to be a photo shot of him kissing -- that's mohammed el berra die. yeah. this was shown in iran on iranian website. the accusation is that they cut hugo chavez's mother out and put el berra die in to soften the blow but it's not working, that's for sure. >> it's hard to know actually what's real and what's not real in iran when you think of the closed media. >> indeed. we'll take a short break. imagine being stranded in our car for hours in snow and ice. that's what drivers in europe just went through. the big freeze, not over yet either. by earning your degree from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to advance your career while making a difference in the lives of patients.

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