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actress valerie harper just announced she has terminal brain cancer. but the 73-year-old is best known for her role as rhoda in "the mary tyler moore show." in her sitcom, she says she is staying positive. >> forgiving is giving up the wish that things could have been different. they weren't. that's the past. let it go. i have cancer. it's in my brain, in a strange way. what are you going to do about it? >> are you a spiritual person? do you think about what comes after this life? >> sure. what's fascinating, i see it as a passage.

you have to just say, i'm willing to embrace it, whatever it is. >> valerie harper talks with piers morgan tonight at 9:00 eastern. that's it for me. "cnn newsroom" continues with brooke baldwin. ♪ hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. happening right now, the vote for the pope. the eyes of the world are on rome as we are watching the vatican. and that chimney that rises from inside this sistine chapel, we are waiting for the world's most famous, most anticipated smoke. you know the drill by now. white smoke means the 1.2 billion catholics all around the world have a new leader. black smoke means it was an unsuccessful vote of the

conclave. ♪ take a good long look at these men here, streaming inside the sistine chapel, because this is the last time we will see these cardinals as they are heading into this tip-top secret conclave behind the locked doors, conclave means with key, the locked doors of the sistine chapel where they are now possibly casting their ballots as i speak. remember, they have to have, you have 115 cardinals, you have to 77 votes or two-thirds here necessary to pick a pope, but important to remember, it has been centuries since a pope has been elected here on day number one of this conclave. joining me now, live from rome, is cnn anchor chris cuomo and cnn senior vatican analyst john allen.

welcome to both of you. chris, let me start with you here, as we know these cardinals are in session, walk me through what possibly is happening now behind this locked door, and talk to me about the smoke. >> all right, well, let's start with the smoke. this is part of the tradition that really just harkens back to the timelessness of it. john allen says they just started using the stove in the 20th century. it is one of the things that could be updated but hasn't. we learned about pope benedict's resignation, there were electronic e-mail submissions coming out of the vatican to let us know what was going on. they stay with the stove because that's just how it's done. it is part of the ritual. and one of the interesting things for us as reporters and everybody who looks on and st. peters square is filling up with thousands of people, is it really hard to tell the difference. they used to do it with straw. wet straw would make black smoke. dry straw would make light smoke or white smoke. sohey moved away from it.

now they have a tandem stove system with one stove that has these chemical packets in it and they join the main chimney of the stove that burns the ballots and that chemical is supposed to change the color of the smoke, but even that gets very difficult to decipher. then on top of that darkness, humidity, rain and hail and all the other things we have seen today makes it very confusing. then what we do, brooke, is we wait for bells. the problem is bells ring a lot in rome. you don't know if this is just a temporary appearance, when they ring, or the big bell that is supposed to announce it. so what we all have to do is, we're best with the smoke and wait for the pope because he does have to come out under the balcony. >> we'll wait for you. i'll let you call it in person there, perched in rome to determine whether it is the black or the white smoke. but john allen, to you, i'm absolutely fascinated by this process. and particularly the voting. because from what i understand, this day one of the conclave,

they have this one vote, then three days, they vote, then two times a day. if they continue to vote for the same next pope, and they have yet to select someone, they take this day of prayer, but it is my understanding, it is not just praying here, there is papal politics happening. tell me about the alliances, john, that begin to form. >> the first point to make, brooke, is that although we're expecting them to take a ballot tonight, they may not. it is optional. and, in fact, the vatican spokesperson said a few moments ago that it may in part depend upon how long the reflection is they're having up top. there is one of the over 80 cardinals, a cardinal by the name of broke gieck who is givi them -- that may come into play in this conclave. i think going in, however, the more fundamental alliance or difference this time that the fault line so to speak would be

between the vatican cardinals, those 38 cardinals who represent the bureaucracy of the vatican, and cardinals from many other parts of the world who frankly believe this place needs a dose of 21st century business management. >> so it is interesting, brooke, as i listen to the conversation, i've gotten the benefit of john -- everything i know that is right comes out of john allen's mouth. it is an interesting dynamic from this point forward because whether or not there is smoke tonight, whether or not they vote tonight, we do believe that judging from the general congregations there is enough on the table that this will take time, yes? >> i think it is exactly right. you and i have talked before, last time, eight years ago, when benedict was elected. i think there was a very simple logic to the conclave. the cardinals thought they witnessed the end of a historically, massively, runaway successful papacy with john paul ii and wanted to keep it going. the logic was continuity. so they elected the intellectual architect of john paul's papacy, cardinal joseph ratzinger.

this time i don't think there is a simple logic. there is a lot on the table, a pope with global vision, a pope who can eadvantage liva eadvant evangelize. when you have a more xcomplicatd logic going in, that makes it more complicated. >> if they become seen as an outside and idea of old thinking, instead of the all-stars they have been respected as in the past and the foreign cardinals come in and say we don't like what's happening here, things need to change, that would be unusual, wouldn't it? >> well, in one sense it wouldn't that be unusual, chris, complaining about the vatican is the favorite indoor sport of the catholic church. everyone likes to get in on the act. on the other hand, i think what is unusual this time is the complaints aren't just coming from the grassroots. they're coming from the princes of the church.

and, again, it is not about doctrine, not about substance, it is about governments, it is about how the place is run. what we have seen over the last eight years is that there have been a number of breakdowns that aren't just interm, but have created big public messes. in 2009, there was the rehabilitation of a holocaust denying bishop. last year, the massive vatican leak scandal, perceived mishandling of the child sex abuse scandals. when these bond goes off in rome, they have to pick up the pieces with their own local media, their own local faithful and frankly many of them are tired of it. >> no matter how you look at it, the outcome could not be bigger for the cardinals and more than 1 billion people who lean on the church as the center of their faith life. thank you very much. brooke, back to you in new york. >> looking at the live pictures here. >> not new york, atlanta. >> atlanta, no problem. people are beginning to really fill st. peter's square. it is a good point john makes, we may or may not have a vote. they may not be voting as part of the conclave, thus may not

see the smoke. we will certainly be watching as we have crews there in rome. we'll bring that news to you as soon as we know from italy. meantime, cardinals, they have now officially cut off contact with the rest of the world. but for first time, social media playing a huge role here, trying to unveil some of the secrets of this papal conclave, so before heading into the sistine chapel, new york cardinal timothy dolan tweeted a link to his latest blog post, greetings again from rome. from the tweets to the facebook pages, smartphone apps and, oh, yes, go with me here, a fantasy conclave league, samuel berk is our digital producer at cnn international in new york with the details. i can only imagine this is fantasy conclave a la fantasy football, yes? >> exactly. if you can't be in rome like chris cuomo for the conclave, social media buzz says the next best thing is fantasy conclave.

it is free to register. so it won't cost you anything. it is not technically betting. another site getting lite of buzz is pope apral arm.com. you register and it alerts you, wakes you up via text message no matter what time of day the pope is chosen. you have to be a faithful catholic to register for that site. >> i think so. i don't even like my regular alarm, so we'll leave it with that. what about apps? what about smartphones as well? >> someone told me conclave apps, what a niche market. 1.2 billion catholics in the world, that's not niche. you can read up on those. there is pope chart, which takes it a step further. it has the buyos ios of the cars and it allows you to vote. a lot of people asking what is going to happen with the twitter account that benedict opened up late last year.

it says -- opens an empty seat at this moment. the vatican deleted all the tweets that benedict tweeted and archived them, but still has 1.6 million followers waiting for the next cardinal to become pope. >> now i see this morning there is some sort of chimney twitter handle as well as we await the black or white smoke. >> that's right. >> samuel burke in new york, thank you. now it a major development from space. it is the question scientists have always asked, was there ever life on mars? well, today, nasa says, yep, that is entirely possible. can't keep from smiling so big. i'm so excited. chad myers, we have talked so much about the mars curiosity rover up there, waiting, waiting, waiting, to find something and now they're saying yes. >> yes, they did. they didn't find life, didn't find organics, but now they know that's the new search. maybe they were really only searching for -- is it

habitable, could anything live there. today they proved yes. there was water. pure enough for you or me to drink. >> wow. >> now it's gone, not there anymore. there are still some traces when they drill the hole, they found out and they put this stuff into the sand, into the measurement, they heated item, found carbon dioxide, water, sulfates, things that could only happen if it is wet. they know the hole they drilled was in a dry lake bed. at some point in time, maybe 3 billion years ago, that was a lake. today it is dry. and they found things in there that proves that there could have been something living there at some point in time. >> i can just hear some viewers asking, so what, 3 billion years ago, why do we care today? >> we care because we don't want our earth to turn into mars. we want earth to still be nice and green. what happened to mars? how did that water go away? why did it go away? was it some type of greenhouse effect that literally burned all the water out? we know that there is not much atmosphere. so the water that was on there

did leak out into space. it is now gone. about 3 billion years ago, there could have been something living there, that's almost the exact same time that things began to live on earth. >> incredible. >> it is. >> at mars curiosity, if you're a fellow space geek. fantastic twitter handle to follow. thank you very much. coming up, we're watching the chimney in vatican city, waiting to see if we might see the white smoke, which is perhaps highly unlikely here on first day of the conclave or black or perhaps as john allen was pointing out, our vatican expert, no smoke at all, meaning no vote today. we're watching in rome. back after this. accused of the movie theater massacre in aurora, james holmes today in court could get truth serum. plus, the man in charge of u.s. spies reveals the biggest threat to america. and as the feds figure out whether a reported celebrity

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want to pick up on that special coverage, a new pope. take you back here as we watch under the night skies. it is about 7:15 there in rome, italy. you can't see it, but i promise there is a chimney and many people talking about being on smoke watch. you know the drill, we're waiting as people are now filling in st. peter's square, awaiting a white smoke or black smoke. white smoke signifying the

cardinals in the conclave as this is day one of the conclave, have selected the next pope. that given the fact that this is first time they have met behind these closed locked doors is unlikely, possibly the black smoke, possibly even no vote at all. anderson cooper is there in rome. anderson, set the scene for me. >> it is an extraordinary scene. i'm here with chris cuomo and john allen, our vatican analyst, a scene we have seen so many times in our lifetime as the world stops and watches a very simple stove, very simple pipe, very simple chimney, waiting for word on whether or not a pope has been selected. it is very doubtful at this point this early on. this would be the first vote if, in fact, they are voting in this conclave. this would be the first vote, very doubtful there will be a selection this time around. but it is sort of a warmup and first time, chris, and john, we have seen large numbers of people coming in the last several days waiting in vatican

city -- in vatican square, something that they can attend and be part of history for. >> that's right. it is worth remembering that the last time we saw a crowd like this was, of course, on february 27th, for benedict's last general audience as pope. and you know, when we're talking about what is likely to happen tonight, it is worth remembering this story began with a massive surprise, which was benedict's stunning resignation announcement. having lived through that, i would say all bets are off. if we got white smoke tonight, i would be stunned at one level, but on the heels of what we have already witnessed in the last month, in another, there would be a certain poetic ark to it. >> when you heard he was resigning, what went through your mind at first? >> honestly, anderson, the truth is, i didn't believe it. my first phone call actually came from a friend of mine at the bbc, we're hearing rumors the pope is going to resign. i thought this was along the order is the pope has grown a second head in terms of probability. then it became clear that it had happened. looking back, obviously, benedict had dropped hints.

he gave an interview to a german journalist in 2010, he said under some circumstances the pope would have the right and the duty to resign. he made two pilgrimages to the last pope who resigned voluntarily. you could kind of see it coming. when it got there, it was still a stunner. >> and, chris, it is -- it is old school, watching this newly built chimney, but incredibly exciting, not only for all those 5,600 media personnel covering it and the thousands assembled in peters square. >> don't know if there is anything like it left. the vatican has a great sense of theater and certainly it is that. they couldn't have a more beautiful setting than st. peter's square, but it is the contrast. people are watching liquid crystal displays, huge screens, the most modern technology and on the screen, a chimney that they just stick in the roof of the sistine chapel, put a couple of wires on it and they have

even this kind of almost comical way of burning things. they used to use straw, and now we wait for smoke that we almost can never decipher, we wait for bells that ring incongruously and yet it adds to the mystique of the event, whether or not you subscribe to the faith is irrelevant. it is such an interesting spectacle that we're sitting here looking at a monitor off camera now and wondering is that smoke? what color is it? >> for all of those assembled in the square, it is not easy telling, if you're standing there, the chimney is not all that visible, it is quite small, it is newly constructed, and so it is not as if instantly people in the square can tell one way or the other whether it is white smoke or black smoke. >> that's exactly right. it is hard for us watching it on a screen, it is even harder if you're standing in the square, particularly depending what your angle of vision is. people feed off one another's reaction. if they get the buzz that something exciting is happening, you will hear this roar begin to build. but once it becomes clear that

it is the white smoke, then what you get is this enormous acclimation from the crowd, and then, of course, people are on pins and needles waiting for that moment when they step out on the central loga to not only give us the announcement, but also to give us the name of the new pope. >> we don't know for sure there will be a vote even today, but this being the first day of the conclave, but if there is a vote, and assuming it is as pretty safe to assume there wouldn't be an actual decision at this point, what happens after the conclave? what happens later tonight? as they -- if they have voted, we'll get a sense of a rough estimate of where the votes are, of who front runners may be, whose names are in contention. and there is -- are there gatherings afterward tonight where they discuss the vote? >> i was telling chris earlier, the first ballot in a conclave is like the new hampshire primary of a presidential election. the first chance to get a -- a real sense of where people stand.

what will happen after things wrap up in the sistine chapel tonight is these cardinals will go back to the casa santa marta, the hotel on vatican grounds where they're stay, there will be a meal they all eat together and then they have free time. in twos and threes and 10s and 20s, they'll be having informal conversations with one another. and this guy got 27 votes to pick a number out of the air. do we think he can get the 77 or should we be looking for somebody else or is there somebody whose name didn't show up in first round who actually make it in the second, third, fourth and so on? that's where the political heavy lifting, so to speak -- >> the conversations are that blunt. >> absolutely. i interviewed -- last time i interviewed two-thirds of the cardinals that took part in the 2005 conclave and they would say at that stage, they know the chips are down, because the last thing they want is for this thing to go on too long. first of all, of course, they want to get this one done by holy week, which begins with palm sunday on the 24th,

secondly if they stay there too long, it will look like gridlock and paralysis they don't want that. >> there could not be a more glorious site than watching this at this hour with these lights. it is extraordinary. >> anderson and chris and john, thank you, all. back to vatican city here momentarily. want to continue on with other news, including do women and men compete differently in the workplace? we have been talking a lot the last 24 hours about women at work. and this new book called "lean in." sheryl sandberg, her new message about women in the workplace, being more aggressive. got two other authors to talk to who had some thoughts to share on the biology of guilt and who is more competitive, who are the risk takers? how can we benefit? coming up. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.

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this conclave. there is a chimney somewhere amidst the night sky here in rome, vatican city. might there be a vote? might we see black or white smoke? we'll let you know any minute now. meantime, what women want, the question is top of mind after two very powerful women are flexing some serious muscle. you have on one hand, sheryl sandberg, coo of facebook, the latest "time" magazine cover star. she came out with new book it is every where the crux of her less message, lean in, pushing women to be more aggressive in their careers. but then you have marissa mayer, yahoo!'s ceo who caused quite the kerfuffle here. she's standing by her controversial new policy, no telecommuting. both women, bucking the trend, succeeding where men dominate. our question today is, why? what's behind that? why are fewer women winning in today's world compared to men?

the authors of this book have an explanation. it is called top dog, the science of winning and losing and it says much of it has to do with how women handle risk and guilt. authors ashley maryman and po bronson are with me now. welcome. so much to work through. first, ashley, with you. competition, give me one main example here where women and men differ when it comes to just blood, sweat and tears at work over one another. >> well, you know, the story is that women are less competitive than men. but the research doesn't support that. what the research shows is that women are more concerned with winning than men. men will -- >> women are? >> yeah. men will compete if they have a chance. women refuse to waste time with losing. so women are good at figuring out the odds, men are good at ignoring the odds. in a workplace environment, women tend to be 7.3% more accurate as wall street

financial analysts. >> so financial analysts, but we're not always sort of like bulling through something, taking the risk, no matter what. right. >> political campaigning. >> political campaigns. >> in silicon valley, at the startup level, men still outnumber women 2 to 1. that's probably about the right biological predisposition we have towards risk, two-thirds of men will have a predisposition toward risk, one-third of women. as you go higher up and see only 7% of venture capitalists of women or 4.3% of venture capital funded startups are founded by women, you begin to wonder what else is going on. >> the other interesting thing, i think that is pervasive through the whole conversation is guilt. whether you're a young mom who decided to stay home or working mother who is competing with other working mothers who is better? i feel bad. you can never have it all. you feel guilty because you're not working enough or being a good enough mom. you give an example where the dad versus the mother, the dad is, like, not going to little league game on the weekend, he's

like, that's fine, work is a priority, i'm not stressed out over that. mom can't do that as much. why? >> both genders have a great sense of duty to their family, right? >> but. >> but for men, being the breadwinner makes them feel like they fulfilled that sense of duty. they also feel a duty to be there for the kids, but that primary duty that legacy in our society, still living up to that. but for women, it is less clear, they want to -- they really feel this dual obligation. it is going to make them feel more guilty about what they're doing. >> okay. >> even on a neuroscience level, how we respond is different. during times of stress, the part of the brain that is responsive to other people's emotions, not your emotions, but others, for men actually is less active. for women, it becomes more active. so you're looking around the room, how are people feeling. so that that guy who sat work on the weekend can call his son and say, well, i know i can't be there, and tune out whether or not his son is upset. but his mother's brain is

actually hyperaware of her son saying, you can't make it? >> an increased ability in perception makes you better at doing x, y and z job than a woman than someone else. have to leave it. we have to go to rome momentarily. thank you. your book is "the top dog: the science of winning and losing," thank you very much. we are watching and waiting to see possible smoke being emitted from this chimney this is vatican city, conclave day number one, as the search and the vote for the next pope here is on. back after this. [ male announcer] surprise -- you're having triplets. [ babies crying ] surprise -- your house was built on an ancient burial ground. [ ghosts moaning ] surprise -- your car needs a new transmission. [ coyote howls ]

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again, let's take you to rome. we can see some live pictures, the night sky, about 7:30 now time in rome as we are awaiting possibly as the conclave day number one where these 115 cardinals have been gathering behind locked doors, conclave with key, the translation, shrouded in secrecy to elect the next pope. highly unlikely that we will see that white smoke that we will have a new pope, but as john allen said, anything is possible as this was the biggest surprise, the resignation of the p benedict to begin with. what is going to overheat first, the president's meeting

maker or the big limo that just zoomed up here. watch for it on the left. just zooming up pennsylvania avenue and dropped obama off at the capital. don't blink. if you do, you'll miss the president. here he is. you'll see him here, walking in -- first of a flurry of meetings. here he is. you see him and now you don't. still, three days, four meetings on capitol hill, senate democrats first, that meeting is actually happening now. tomorrow he'll meet with house republicans, doubleheader thursday. senate republicans, house democrats. so, after four plus years of slights and snubs and hurt feelings and name calling and you name it, everyone is going to make nice-nice, right? keep in mind, topic number one is the budget. taxes, that means spending, that means deficit, and democrats and republicans could not be farther apart on what to do. who knows that best? she covers it day in and day

out, dana bash, our chief congressional correspondent on capitol hill. as we said, the president, senate democrats, they're meeting behind you. i see some flurry behind you, behind closed doors. tell me how significant is this that over the course of the next three days the president will meet with just about everyone there? >> reporter: very significant. i should tell you, of course, as we're watching what is going on in vatican, waiting for the black or white smoke, looking for something not as conseque consequential but similar here, because the president is going to come out of the first meeting he's having as he speaks with former democratic senators. i think the more -- most focus has been on the republicans, the meeting with the republicans. that will happen tomorrow. this is an interesting and important meeting he's having now. though he's a former member of the senate democratic caucus, there are a number of senate democrats who say he's not talking enough to them, never mind republicans. i heard that time and time again, from members of his own

party. so it will be very interesting to hear if he hears that from them behind closed doors in this meeting that has been going on for about an hour. the optopic du jour, the budget. so economic issues are up front and center, but there are a lot of other controversies that provide democrats that some here say they want to have a connection with the president on. >> dana bash, thank you. as we watch and wait for the president there on capitol hill, we also are watching and waiting for that black smoke, the white smoke possibly, no smoke at all, as conclave here on day number one in rome is coming to a close. we'll check in with anderson cooper and crew in rome live on the other side of the break. (announcer) at scottrade, our clients trade and invest exactly how they want. with scottrade's online banking, i get one view of my bank and brokerage accounts with one login...

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peter's square, awaiting, perhaps a sign from this conclave on day number one. anderson cooper and chris cuomo are live in rome. gentlemen, hello. >> well, we are here, looking at about as you nunique a spectacl we have had. a chimney, but the significance is huge. on top of the sistine chapel, we're waiting to see if ballots are burned tonight, if the color is dark, we know there is no pope. if it is white, we know there is. as simple as that. we must wait, with all the technology in the world we have been talking about it here, this is still a simple antiquated ceremony that really does draw the attention. >> and it is extraordinary. and we have smoke there. >> looks dark. >> i'm going to go with black. i think that's black smoke. not really a surprise certainly. what happens now? >> what happens is shortly in the next few moments, the cardinals will be moving outside of the sistine chapel and over

to the casa santa marta where they'll have a simple meal and they'll talk about the results of first ballot. what we're presuming is that there are three or four perhaps candidates who had enough support to suggest they may be real contenders, but then so they'll be caucusing tonight to decide of that field, who might actually be able to put together that winning coalition across that two-thirds majority. tomorrow, after a morning prayer in the chapel in the casa santa marta, they'll return to the sistine chapel, do two ballots in the morning and presuming those are inconclusive, they'll break for lunch, we'll have smoke around midday here in rome, then they will go back to the sistine chapel in the afternoon around 4:00, and do two more ballots and they will repeat that process, anderson, until somebody crosses that threshold and becomes the next successor. >> we're getting word that we can officially say at cnn this

is black smoke. i have to tell you, i've been watching 2005, this say much better quality, dark smoke. they are not joking around. they heard the criticism they couldn't debt the dark smoke right. that is a really solid -- >> that's as definitive an issue on black smoke as you're ever going to see. >> there is so much smoke, you think they burned more than the ballots and the notes. maybe they're going a little bit extra to make sure it is a clear signal. >> it is interesting how many people have come out on this night, most people knowing it is not going to -- there wouldn't be an actual decision tonight, people really want to be here to witness this moment in history. >> i think that's huge part of it. they want to be part of the scene. the flip side of that, anderson, you roll the dice. if this smoke were white, imagine the moment. i think fundamentally what is going on is for catholics all over the world and noncatholics, you can't tell in a way but be awed by the sense of the moment, the sense of history, one of the

oldest religious institutions on the face of the earth, on that matter, the oldest democratic process in the way, the secret ballot in history. it is hard not to be enchanted by all of this. >> and the allegiance to history. the decision -- in this age of twitter, they can tweet out, we took a vote, it is not going to happen tonight, but instead this is the way they have done it and this is the way they're going to continue to do it. >> that's right. i think the genius of catholicism, the old saying about the church, it is ever ancient and ever new. you see that playing out here tonight. because as this story rolls forward, once the conclave is over, there are actually several hundred cardinals, we presume the first thing they do will to be update their twitter accounts. but at the same time, we are also seeing this very ancient tradition, ancient stage craft, if you like, playing out in front of the eyes of the world. >> obviously the crowd has not left yet. it started to dissipate slowly. miguel marquez is on the phone.

he was there when the smoke came out. what was the reaction and the mood, miguel? >> clearly having some issues getting miguel. there is actually -- you can tell by the pictures, that the streets are wet. the weather has not been cooperating the last several days. there was driving rain throughout the day today. looked like hail at one point. so communication, even though we are very close to the location at st. peter's square, is tricky, because of the weather cells moving through. you can see people still milling around, some people starting to leave, some people taking out their umbrellas. >> the occasion is a big deal. whether you're a member of the faithful or not. that said, this does carry some import with catholics that even 2005 did not. john paul ii was a beloved hope, had great international presence. but there are big issues on the table. we know it.

pope benedict leaving the way he did and for the reasons that he says he did heightened the urgency of the situation. this is something to monitor, just to get that reflection of its importance, even if you're not surprised that there was no pope on the first vote, the process, what could happen, the expectation is worth coming down here for a lot of people, especially if there are members of the faith. >> becky anderson on the street amidst the crowd. what are you hearing and seeing? >> it is remarkable. you turn around and i just saw that smoke. it is very difficult to tell at night exactly what color that smoke is. so you got a sense just for a couple of seconds what's going on and then we work out that it is black. you hear, you know, this is -- this is a quiet crowd. don't expect a football crowd, certainly not when it is black. i can only imagine it is going to be absolutely noisier bunch once we get white smoke. people are moving down the street.

a lot of people here have come after work, you're in the seeing a lot of international people, aside from those who happen to be in town for a holiday. this is, of course, an unscheduled event. so you -- we met lots of international people today from all over the world, and it just literally been up there for the last couple of hours. two hours, 7:42 that smoke came through. they have been inside for the past two hours. we weren't expecting to see, let's face it, white smoke tonight. we may not have seen any smoke, of course, because they didn't have to vote. but it was -- it was quite an emotional feeling when you turn around, and from that chimney, just yards away from us here, just outside vatican city, you see that first smoke for first time in this election for a new pope. >> john allen, vatican analyst, who has been with us, going to be walking up through the next several days, you've talked to a lot of cardinals inside that room about votes, about what it

is like. there is not much -- there is not a discussion going on inside the sistine chapel during this time. is there? there is -- it is a lengthy voting process. >> the sistine chapel, what happens there is much more like going to church than going to a convention. it is surrounded by prayer. there is a very lengthy and highly elaborate process of voting which includes for each cardinal individually professing up with his ballot in his hand, wearing before god and on his own conscience he's casting his vote for the man he believes should be elected. that has to happen 115 times, of course. then at the end, there is a bank of three cardinals who count the votes, reading them aloud, marking them down. there is another bank of three cardinals that check the votes. the whole process takes about an hour and a half. you do that twice a morning, twice an afternoon, that's your day. the caucusing and comparing of notes and the building of alliances of reconfiguring of alliances happens instead on -- during the cardinal's down time at the hotel where they're

staying, the casa santa marta. >> based en what you know from past votes, say they voted twice now today, and we have seen the smoke once, maybe they only voted once, we don't know for sure, but they have a rough idea of whose names are being considered at this moment. >> we do know they only voted once tonight. the rules say if they vote -- but the whole point of this first ballot is to get a sense of where people stand. list listen, these guys have been thinking about this nonstop the last couple of weeks. they knew this vote was coming. they have come in with thoughts about who might be elected, who they might personally want to be elected. but until this moment, they had no sense actually of what was plausible, not only who might be desirable, but who could actually get enough votes to cross that two-thirds threshold. >> gives you a sense of urgency. we talk about how many it takes to -- how many cardinals they have to count. think about it as a process. three of us. the way it works is the cardinal brings up the vote, i read out scola, give it to him.

he reads out, scola, gives it to you. you mark down scola. there is three other cardinals that do the exact same thing and all the 115 are marking it on their own ballot, the intensity of getting it right is huge. think about what other process, what other election works that way? obviously we're talking about the smoke that just came out of the sistine chapel. it was black smoke here on the first day of the conclave. first vote, the cardinals chose to vote, but did not select a pope. welcome to all our viewers in america and around the world. we have ben wedeman with us. ben, in the expectation of this, and the mood of what this means, to people who believe and who do not, how big an event is this in rome? >> certainly when we saw that very thick black smoke coming out of the chimney over the sistine chapel, there was sort of a big sort of gasp of disappointment, but not necessarily surprise. nobody really expected on the

first vote a decision, any sort of white smoke. in fact, i spoke with an italian gentleman right next to me, i said, the smoke came out. i asked him, are you surprised? he said, no, actually, i had dinner with a cardinal last night, and i knew it would be black smoke. so not a lot of surprise here. but there were a lot of people. in fact, what is going on right now, betweif we turn the camera, theopened the barriers to allow all the people who were crowded into the square for this occasion to get out quickly and conveniently as possible. so first vote, and, of course, we'll be watching very closely that chimney over the sistine chapel tomorrow and maybe the next. >> now this vote obviously negative. begins again tomorrow. what you to expect in terms of

crowds? assuming no pope is selected, what type of crowds are anticipated to follow? >> i think as the suspension grows, as the anticipation grows, if there is not white smoke, we'll be seeing larger and larger crowds because really this is the only show in town at the moment. there are thousands of tourists that come here according to the vatican press office. 5,600 accredited journalists as well. so i think we can only expect the numbers to grow. now, back in 2005, as i think you heard, there were four votes, four separate votes for benedict xvi. our vatican watchers are saying they're expecting possibly not a day and a half, but rather three days conclave in this instance. so the crowds are only going to get bigger.

>> certainly is. and the anticipation growing. john allen, you talk -- i saw a tweet you sent earlier, i think it was interesting, you say, we believe these are the leading candidates. we think we know this. how do you think you know this? if there is secrecy surrounding this, the cardinals themselves are not publicly saying, how are you getting information? >> well, i mean, this is one of the great unsourced stories, of course, who is in and who is out in this. the cardinals are not on the record and are not going to tell you who they plan to vote for. as a journalist, over the years, you develop your own context of cardinals and on background usually they give you a kind of reality check. there are several cardinals i could call and say, there say lot of buzz around this name, is that serious or not? and they would say, i think you shi take it seriously or if i were you, i would go shop somewhere else. >> you say there is a lot of buzz around this name to cardinals? >> with the american guys, you can use phrase like buzz. >> what is the italian

expression for buzz? >> some noise around this name. that kind of thing. or find the french or portuguese, whatever. the second, you look at what other reporters are doing and you learn over the years whose byline you can trust and whose you can't. third thing, you listen to what the cardinals are laying out in terms of what they think qualities the next pope needs to have and match that against bios and you try to see if you can discern who they're talking about. as i said in my post today, this is a mix of old-fashioned recording and reading the tea leaves. >> one cardinal was published as saying that the names that are in contention -- the names out there are the names that are being discussed. >> cardinal francis george of chicago said in his view, the main difference between 2005 and this time, he feels this time the na -- last time the names being floated were never really serious candidates. but he feels the names this time

have traction. >> how well do the cardinals know one another before coming? >> some know one another better than others. better than last time. in 2005, only two cardinals who had ever been in an conclave befo befo before. this time, 50 of them had been through the process before, there are 50 guys who look at one another last time as potential candidates, so there is some water under the bridge. >> right. certainly a lot more to cover. we'll have a lot more coverage from here in rome, throughout the day on cnn. stay tuned. we'll be right back. come on, nowadays lots of people go by themselves.

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welcome back to our continuing coverage of the search for a new pope, the conclusion to a very exciting day here. i'm joined by chris cuomo, father edward beck as well.

we saw black smoke, not unexpected, the first vote taken. your thoughts on the conclusion of this day? >> two things. first, let me say before we added chemicals, how they used to do this was they would take straw and it was black smoke, it would be wet straw. all i could think is there would be no trouble getting wet straw in rome during this. the second thing i was thinking is so much for the environmental papacy. if you remember a few years ago, st. benedict issued a new set of ten commandments, thou shall not pollute, look at all that smoke coming out of the chimney. there is not yet enough votes to have a pope and so we'll have another election tomorrow and we expect that, of course, there wouldn't be. this first vote is always beware of the -- talk about it tonight over dinner, and some of that will be going on and we'll gather again tomorrow and see what happens. >> rare exceptions, the two most important votes are the first and the last. because this does set the table.

the names are out there. they can change. one of the most interesting dynamics here in picking a pope as opposed to presidential politics is that when you have two candidates who are head to head and neck and neck, in politics, and the presidential type of election, there is a consensus, a compromise and somebody wand winds up winning. here, because of this third factor, it is my mind, your mind, and then god's mind, they often disqualify both, you know. we don't think god wants either of them to get 77 votes. and that's when you get this third man in. that's how 1978 we got john paul ii. that's why someone like marc ouellet from canada is getting talk. sure, he's not one of the main guys, but if angelo scola as we keep hearing, the archbishop of milan, or odilo scherer, if they can't get 77 votes, maybe we

need somebody else. and that's how -- that fuels the speculation. this first vote sets the table. >> you heard about american cardinals, timothy dolen from new york and o'malley from boston, perhaps unlikely -- what do you think the chances of an american pope are? >> i think the chances are slim, i think it would really be an amazing thing if that were to happen, certainly for those of us from the united states but i think it is a slim chance. despite the fact people say the united states is the superpower, i still think we are perceived that way. to put the papacy in the hands of the united states pope and the united states government being what it is, i think it is probably a slim chance. >> and fascinating as i think it would be to be inside that conclave, i'm more interested in the discussions that go on later tonight and sort of the politicking without actually politicking. and people running without really saying they're running or acknowledging in any way that this is something they want. unless you have fascinating sort

of -- fascinating conversations going on behind the scenes. >> i think it is. it is all very subtle. and, again, there is a secrecy involved. what is interesting to me is that last time there was a cardinal who anonymously publishes diaries with the vote. now, when you hear about how strict it is that you're not supposed to do that, for a cardinal to have done that, until we know the exact tabulation from last time of who voted for whom, how many, and of course cardinal ratzinger and -- >> just to show,000 thi how thi change, we heard these names, the man -- the cardinal deemed to finish second according to the diaries not even being mentioned. >> you would think he would be one of the top front-runners. >> he's not there. a lot of pressure on the 115 cardinals that is internal that is religious, but also external because they know they have 1.2 billion followers, there is different levels of discontent with the church, they figure out how to progress. people outside st. peter's almost as important as the

cardinals inside. we're looking at video from earlier today, this was the procession down the hall of blessing that the cardinals entered the sistine chapel, look at michelangelo's last judgment and on the way in, they were chanting the names of saints and all saying in unison, pray for us now. they sang a hymn. we watched all of them individually acknowledge the oath they had made together, and then, of course, they began their voting procedure, after a meditation, and we saw the smoke so we know the results. outside st. peter's, people were watching this, many of whom deeply invested, invested on the deepest level, with the potential outcome. a lot of them are running by us right now, who were just at st. peter's. vicki anderson is in st. peter's square, with someone who was there taking it all in and seeing the black smoke. becky? >> that's right. i got a few people with me here.

julia from scotland and donna and barbara. you were there, right? >> we were there to see the smoke, yes. >> and how was it? >> it was -- i thought it was white at first. so i was, like, oh, my god, never mind, it is black. >> it is difficult, isn't it? it is dark here. >> hard to see. it is. >> we were disappointed that it was black because we're leaving tomorrow, but it was great to be here to see it. >> an unscheduled event on your itinerary as well for all of you. how did it feel when you stood and saw the smoke? >> it is fantastic. we have been waiting for an hour, so we were sort of wondering when it was going to happen. but then as you said, it sort of blasted out and it was white at first, it was a -- and then we were, like, it was black. but a lot of it. i didn't expect there to be so much smoke actually as there was. >> and it was so late. >> we thought maybe they're just -- >> let me tell you some of the facts, people like facts. 7:42 in the evening here, this year, 2013, the last time in 2005, it was 8:08.

waiting an extra half an hour. >> we didn't have it too bad. >> exactly. you say you are leaving tomorrow. are you -- >> leaving. we were here, we went to the mass this morning with all the cardinals and we were really able to see -- be involved with a lot of the conclave, with the priest friends who kind of let us in their circle to see what was going on. >> it is quite a secret. >> we don't know any secrets. but it is -- he didn't know that he was revealing. >> wouldn't tell you who would be the next pope. can't tell us live on cnn? >> no. they didn't know anything like that. >> wonderful. what an experience for all of you. this is really something. to me, it seems as if there were thousands of people by the time the smoke came. and yet they all sort of very quietly left. this isn't a football crowd, is it? >> absolutely not. even while we were waiting it wasn't -- there wasn't any chanting or cheering. it was quiet all the way through. people were respectful and

patient, really, yes. >> good. thank you. >> priests that were saying -- saying the rosary and it was very quiet around us. we were around an order of nuns who were chanting softly, it was beautiful. >> it was good. i don't know, it was such an awful experience, even with the black smoke and didn't get to see it, it was like being able to be there at all was fantastic. >> wonderful. thank you, all, very much, indeed, for joining us. i know you'll be back tomorrow as well. safe journey. thank you very much. how do you sum it up? it was an experience for so many people here as i said, unscheduled event on many people's tourist itinerary. for others, they're still in town, they'll be back, many pilgrims here have -- we'll do tall agait all again tomorrow. >> i remember being here eight years ago. traditionally there is a sadness around this event. we lost one pope, we're electing another. it is different this time.

because there really is a kind of joyful atmosphere to people in the square. you heard the excitement of people from edinboro, the united states, people wanting to be here and it is not tinged with the same kind of sadness because there hasn't been a death preceding this. >> there is nine days of mourn and someone does die here. here we saw benedict fly off in a helicopter, he was relieved to do so. we have seen him walking in his gardens now and he seems very happy. so you're right, more a sense of joy and exuberance, something new happening, we don't have to say good-bye to something that was really important. >> and it is a moment of potential, it is a moment of change, no matter who becomes pope. there will be a new direction, one way or another, whether it is status quo, whether it is -- there will be a new voice, a whole new way of looking at the -- >> a new personality. no matter who it is, it is not going to be pope emeritus benedict. people women be expecting who will this be, who will they do, how will they do it? what will the personality be, will they be more like john paul

ii and playing on the world stage, will it be more like benedict, quiet intellectual? all of that remains to be seen, which is part of the interest that makes it interesting what happens here. >> we'll see video of them closing the door. that is such a big symbolic moment of when the conclave, loosely translated with a key, it closes. here is the one who gives the call, everybody out, he's already done that at this point and he's coming to close the doors. let's take a listen and remember what happened earlier today. >> just like that. it begins, the swiss guard outside, of course. you remember when pope benedict finished his resignation and with that, there could be a wave from rome during the conclave,

swiss guard left. they came and now in the moment where there is no pope, they are with the highest authority, which is the college of cardinals. their next boss is most likely in that room among the 115. they're in the right place. we were talking earlier today, anderson, you've spoken about it, that they are one church, they all belong to the same faith, but from so many different countries, 40 plus countries in this group of 115, all heard these different languages used in the mass. but do you believe that your church is ready to pick someone who is from africa? or from south america? as pope? >> i do think we are finally ready for that, yes. and i think there is a possibility it could happen. perhaps south america, brazil, we're looking more -- i think the candidates we saw in the beginning from africa seem to have been from those they were talking about. i think certainly possible and they'll bring with them their own concerns, the issues of

poverty, social justice, these are things people are concerned about in those nations. i think any pope from those nations will make them primary concerns. >> interesting political dynamic. 1.2 billion catholics, they're growing fast in africa, south america, and asia. >> and some may not be from latin america or south america, but who have worked there and experience there, speak spanish. and so that is seen as helping their chances because of their potential, one cardinal who worked from columbia is -- his name has been in contention. there is a lot of focus this time around on africa, latin america, and that being a future growth area for the church. >> and bringing with it its own concern. we look at the country like brazil, 123 million catholics, but the catholic population is in decline because of pentecostalists. and so you have to say, what will the new evangelization be.

>> we talked about geographic divisions among the cardinals, voting blocs base on geography. we're hearing less and less of that this time around. >> there seems to be that is not part of the conversation. you're more hearing reformers, blocs who want something else to happen that can clean up the coria but not hearing the geographical blocs. >> and reformers or anti-establishment cardinals are actually -- there has been talk that they are supporting an italian cardinal from milan. >> who really never worked in the vatican. he's not been part of the bureaucracy because he's been bishop -- archbishop of venice and archbishop of milan, so not seen as part of that clique. >> at the end of the day, we know there is a wide range of people it could be, we also know the table has been set for the discussion with this first vote and the black smoke. so next comes the mass tomorrow

morning and the voting begins. the real interesting thing, as you said earlier, anderson, what goes on tonight after dinner. we'll have to wait to see what the outcome is with the next set of votes. back to atlanta right now. anderson and i will be covering this. father beck, thank you. we'll see you here until we have a pope. back to you in atlanta. as the president heads to the hill, his cia director telling congress about threats to america from cyberwar to north korea. plus -- >> suddenly the world is bathed in the light of the sun. >> they're currently in space, but that didn't stop these three astronauts from talking to me about asteroids, twitter, and bare naked ladies. and as the feds feg o s fig whether a reported celebrity hacking is a hoax or a crime, i find out how easy it is to get my secrets.

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headed back to the white house. he will be back on the hill tomorrow, and the day after that, three days, four meetings on capitol hill. senate democrats first, that meeting as we reported, just over. tomorrow, the president meets with house republicans, doubleheader thursday, senate republicans, house democrats, jake tapper, chief washington correspondent for us here at cnn, and, jake, a lot of folks, they seem to want to think this is a big show. we keep hearing the phrase charm offensive as it were. but it is a crucial moment because if they get this right, could be, you know, economic boom, if they don't, could have serious trouble. do we see the talking as progress, at least? >> well, it depends who you ask. national journals ron fournier interviewed a bunch of people including one white house aid who told him, this is a joke, we're waiting the president's time and hours. i hope you all in the media are happy because we're doing it for you. that was a quote sent around by many republicans this morning

when it was published by national journal. when the white house was asked about it, white house press secretary jay carney said he didn't know who said the quote, but it did not reflect the views inside the building that they were very serious about this engage. it depends who you ask. there is one white house aide who thinks this is all for show and many who share that opinion. >> let me ask you something you've been reporting on in the situation room. chuck hagel, the new defense secretary, has done this abrupt 180 on the combat medal. >> it is for individuals who are fighting the new kind of war, including, for instance, drone operators. it was created by former defense secretary leon panetta. and what new defense secretary chuck hagel is doing is not considering whether or not this should be a metal. this will be a medal. the question is, where will it rank?

there is something called an order of precedence. and right now, this distinguished warfare medal is right in the middle with about eight medals above it and 11 below it in terms of the ranking. earlier today, the spokesman for the pentagon, george little, had this to say about chuck hagel's order on this issue. >> in light of concerns about the medals placed and the order of precedence, secretary hagel works with the leadership to review the order of the president and associated matters and the secretary of that who leads this review and will report back in 30 days. >> now, i'm friends with a lot of service members who are around the world right now, from afghanistan, to here in washington, d.c. i asked them what they thought. most of them seemed to think that it was appropriate to have a medal for this, but it should not rank higher than, for instance, the bronze star or the purple heart. though one individual did write this, it makes me sick to my

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big, exciting announcement today from nasa. we have been reporting on this mars rover up on mars for the past couple of months. let's talk to chad myers. the news today is that we now have learned that mars. at some point in time, many, many years ago, could have sustained life, which is significant because -- >> because now they can look for life. >> now they can look for life. >> the first thing they wanted to do, get this right, what they wanted to do is look to see if it was habitable. could there be -- are we just wasting our time. now they know that there was water in this lake, where they are now. they drilled that hole, they -- up on top everything is rent. when they drill the hole in the earth or in the mars surface, it was white. it was white. there is clay in there. it was clay in there. and there was -- when they burned it, they found oxygen, carbon dioxide, even found a

little bit of trace of water. all these things happened at the bottom of a lake. at some point in time there was a lake on mars. that's where we are now. they found water, they found carbon dioxide, oxygen, sulfur, all these things, they put them in there, warmed them up in the offen fr oven, now they know they're looking for organics, carbon that could have been coming from something that was at some point in time alive. the water, they think, was good enough for you and me to drink. that's how pure it was. >> that's incredible. people have been wondering forever and now we know there was life. >> we don't know if there is life. >> could have been life. >> they also think that maybe the radiation could have done something to prohibit the life, because there is no real atmosphere up there. they're looking for a place that didn't have a lot of radiation, maybe some place in the shade, some place low, could have had water, and some place where the organics could be drilled out of the soil and we can look for it. >> so let's stay with space. you love space, i love space.

and if you have ever wondered exactly what it would be like to be working and doing all these experiments, you know, in the international space station, what it would be like to float in space, i talked to three astronauts on board the football-sized iss today. and, of course, as a space geek, who was off to talk to them about social media, the photos they have beentalking, asteroids and yes even sandwiches in space making news. i asked what it's like. here they were. >> there are about 150 experiments going on at any one time. literally hundreds and hundreds in the past, and to come. a lot of science on earth. think of things they could do in zero g, things like the way metal is secure, for example, and the way fluids react in space can tell us a lot about some of the unknowns we have on earth. also, we can do science, medical

science, studies on osteoporosis, those kinds of things. >> as a huge space geek, i'm in awe of all three of you. and, tom, i cannot help but notice this camera floating in front of you, which makes me just kind of wonder, do you ever get used to this feeling of floating, of zero gravity? >> you get better at being able to do useful work, in zero gravity, but always fun. it is always a complete delight, like a dream, being able to fly from place it place. and your feet kind of become like your hands. and so we don't have shoes on. we're always just wearing socks so we can stabilize ourselves. but it is always enormous amount of fun. >> chris, my question to you now, because you're really making waves with all your tweets, pictures, all around earth, your sandwich making, the peanut butter, the honey, i understand you've been rocking out with the bare niaked ladies

with your guitar. what do you make of it all from your twitter page? >> i think it is marvelous. when i first flew in space, gosh, 17 years ago, i've been trying ever since to let people know what a magnificent human experience this is. it is new for our species to able to see our earth, in all of its just beautiful glory in one place. in one glance. and in 90 minutes, to go around the whole thing to try and describe that, i do my best, but now with the technology that nasa was on board and technology like twitter, with followers following what we're doing on board here, we can show people real time this incredible richness that we are all privy to, that we all live with, but you just don't get to see any other way. and so i think the response reflects that. we are doing science on the space station, we're learning how to leave earth permanently,

but at the same time it features tremendous amount about our planet and our place in it. i think the followership on the twitter feed and everything else really reflects that. >> chris, do you have a favorite photo, a favorite vista, something you've seen from your perch high above us? >> when we're in the huge bulging bay window that faces the earth, sometimes -- even sometimes all three of us jam in there, but often there are two of us in there waiting for something to happen, waiting to come up on a continent, or even maybe what i think is the most special, waiting for a sunrise or a sunset, because that transition, as we race around the earth, and come into sight of the sun or the sun comes into sight of us, the atmosphere blossoms so quickly with all the colors, just a rainbow exploding around the world, and then suddenly the world is bathed in the light of the sun because of our tremendous speed. it is a repeating miracle.

it is just beautiful to see. >> can we, can we talk about asteroids. they have been making a lot of nows where s news where we are. the quick buzz past. we saw the meteor over russia and then the other asteroid. how concerned should we be about asteroids hitting earth? >> well, asteroids are out there. we have a surveillance system that is looking for them. the chances are very, very small that anything would happen anytime soon. however, the chance is always out there. asteroids are worth looking at. not only where they are and where they're headed, but they may very well be very rich in minerals and other materials that would be very useful to us. so there is a lot of reasons to go out to them. the technology required to go to one and to stay in sort of an orbit around one and do a spacewalk so you can actually attach yourself to an asteroid, that's technology we need to develop. whenever we try something that hard, all of the benefits that

technical benefits that come from that, benefits everyone, really. >> and, again, my thanks to all three of them for talking to me from space. and coming up, as we saw moments ago, no new pope. we saw the thick, black smoke billowing from the chimney high above vatican city. what does this mean as we enter into day number two of the conclave as it is evening time in italy? we'll check in with chris cuomo live in rome next. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation, so i used my citi thankyou card to pick up some accessories. a new belt. some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? and with all the points i've been earning, i was able to get us a flight to our favorite climbing spot even on a holiday weekend. ♪ things are definitely looking up. [ male announcer ] with no blackout dates, you can use your citi thankyou points to travel whenever you want. visit citi.com/thankyoucards to apply.

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right now in rome, 115 cardinals cast their secret ballots, less than an hour ago. we saw the thick, black smoke. here it was, billowing out of the chimney, from the sistine chapel in vatican city, signaling, of course, this first inconclusive first vote from day one of the papal conclave. tomorrow, the voting really amps up. keep in mind, you have two elections in the morning and if

necessary, another two in the evening. each and every time the world will be watching. cnn will be watching, waiting for the white smoke. that's the smoke that signals the message to the world that a new pope has been elected. this is the last time we saw these cardinals making their way into the sistine chapel, taking that oath of secrecy for this very first day of the conclave under the frescos of michelangelo, the last judgment there on the ceiling. and our anchor chris cuomo is live in rome for us. he saw the thick, black smoke not too long ago. so, chris, now that we know, no big surprise, right, no pope yet. tell me what's next, what is next for the cardinal? >> well, i'll tell you what was

a surprise is how much smoke came out of that chimney. that's been something that is a constant source of consternation, with all the technology today, we have this chimney, can't tell what color the smoke is, that was not a problem this time. it is part of the majesty and part of the antiquity of this, it makes such great theater. so we didn't expect a pope tonight. there has been popes elected on the first vote of the conclave, but it hasn't been for a very long time. now, we wait for each vote, because the next vote could be the one that elects a pope. there is a belief, though, because of all of the big issues that are on the table, and the energy that took the foreign cardinals into rome pushing off a conclave date, the general tenor and tone of what we understand the general congregation to attend meetings they had together were like, they believe this conflict will be longer than in 2005. that was four votes. they're saying this could go three days, maybe even more, so that would be, you know, eight votes or so. so tomorrow they have their

mass, they eat, they have their mass, they come in, and they vote. you have to remember, brooke, there is no politics in the conclave itself. it is like going to mass as john allen would say. there is a very slow order of silent voting and tabulating and that's it. there is no real politicking, just watching and thinking and voting. >> until maybe those power lunches or power dinners when they're outside of the sistine chapel. here is what i want to know, chris cuomo. what keeps these different cardinals from, you know, each and every election within the conclave writing that same name down on that piece of paper. how did they -- how long could this go on? >> well, it is an interesting question. first of all, with the cardinals would say is, well, it is prayer, there is source in prayer. they're counting themselves, looking around the room and they are having these power lunches and dinners that you're talking about. there is a lot of contact going on after and in between votes as

the sistine chapel itself. how long could it go on? okay. you want it to go on long enough you get somebody that represents who you think is important. and that is the mood among these cardinals, more than it has been in recent conclaves. however, it goes on too long, then you look weak. and if nothing else, the cardinals, the college wants to come out of there unified, and the more votes there are, the less unified you appear. so that is a little bit of the balance that they're going to be going through. also, remember, the whole way the conclave started was because the card nalls were taking too long to pick a pope. that's why they put them under lock and key, that's why they made it a difficult situation for them, they have grown out of that a little bit, still watching that chimney for smoke, watching it tomorrow morning, brooke. >> maybe i should be asking you, chris, how many suitcases you packed to go to rome, how long you anticipate this conclave to be lasting. chris cuomo, for us in rome. chris, i appreciate it, thank you very much as he looks at me dubiously. want to move on, we have some breaking news into cnn.

police, we have learned, are surrounding a hotel. this is in oregon. they are hoping to bring in a man who is accused of killing his own grandparents on first night he got out of prison. casey wian is in los angeles with more. and, casey, what do you know? what is happening now? >> well, the latest, brooke, is that police in lincoln city, oregon, a seaside community, have a motel surrounded there, about 25 law enforcement officers, because inside, barricaded inside one of those rooms they believe is a man by the name of michael boyce, who is wanted for the murders of his grandparents over the weekend. he was released from jail on friday. his grandparents and family threw him a party, he was supposed to spend the night at his grandparents' house. the next day, late the next day, his mother hadn't heard from anybody, went to the grandparents house, was in the house for an hour and then found her parents dead. that began this manhunt, because he had about a 20-hour head

start, police said they had absolutely no idea where michael boysen might be. they were talking to the border patrol to make sure he hadn't fled to canada. they were very, very worried about the public safety because their investigation revealed that he was trying to obtain guns as far away as nevada, and he had threats against his own family. now he's holed up in a hotel, police say, they are negotiating with him. but they believe they have found the man they're looking for, brooke. >> let us know if that negotiation changes, casey wian, thank you so much for me for the breaking news. now what you like, what you click on, like on facebook, can predict a lot about who you are, including your sexuality, your intelligence, and apparently a whole lot more. this is what we're learning from this new study from cambridge, university, here. researchers analyzed more than 58,000 facebook profiles to come up with their own conclusions. and alison kosik is live at the new york stock exchange with more on this liking.

so what can they tell about us? >> i can't believe, first of all, they actually did a study on this. what they found was that they can predict traits just from what you click like on facebook. what they did is they analyzed more than 58,000 facebook users in the u.s. and those likes were able to prove that user -- what user likes were and their genders more than 90% of the time. but it is not just gender and race. i want to show you this. people with high iqs tend to like the daily show and the colbert report. mozart and curly fries. and also predicts how many friends you have. if you click like on biology or dollar general or jennifer lopez, you have many friends. if you don't have many friends, you're more likely to click like on the dark knight, in and out burger and a page called walking with your friends and randomly pushing them into someone or something. click on that page. you had few friends. so as you can tell, this list goes on and on. some really fascinating stuff. it is a bonanza for marketers

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here is a twist for you. a traditional law firm staffed by mostly stay at home moms, maybe to some of you, sounds like a dream job. our next guest gives his employees who are returning a lot of flexibility. could this be one thing that

women want? let me bring him in. ben lieber is a managing partner with potomac law group. welcome. let's begin with how this came about. i understand you and your lawyer wife, you're out and about, you're at cocktail parties, start talking to highly educated women who have become moms who are having a tough time picking their careers back up. why? >> that's exactly right. and the thing about the law industry is very rigid and i notice that early on a lot of women when they get to be seventh or eighth year associate with kids and they come back and try it work a part time schedule and invariably it would not work out. the firm would treat them as they treated all the other associates over the years as 24/7 kind of resource, and these lawyers tended to opt out as a legal profession because they could not make a flexible schedule work. and it seems to me that it was just such an inefficient

situation that you had this high end legal capacity that was idle and at the same time you had demands for legal services that were at a peak. and i had the concept of the idea to go out and match all that up. and that was the genesis of the firm. >> you bring up this word efficiency. i hear people thinking, how is it efficient if you have all these people as lawyers, highly educated lawyers, working from home. this is 180 degrees different from marissa mayer's model where she's telling her employees you have to come into the office. maybe you're saying apples and oranges, this is tech companies versus law. but how do you measure productivity then? >> well, that's exactly right. i don't no he what is rigknow w yahoo! but in the law industry physical presence is not essential. at a big firm, it is a solitary profession. i spent a lot of time in the law library by myself or in my office by myself. >> sounds like fun, kidding. >> and so we're replicating that. people are doing -- working from home offices, when we have to

have conference calls, we have conference calls. when we have to come into the office, we have offices that people come into, it is maybe 5% of the time. vast majority from home and the lawyers are happy because they're working a flexible schedule and they tend to be more productive. >> just curious, do you find your clientele comes to you now because they know your reputation and who you're hiring? >> absolutely. it is -- the law is relation-based, takes a while to get to know people. usually we get in with -- they know we got lawyers that used to work at big firms, go to the top schools, they're experienced. they're willing to test this out early with something we usually knock it out of the park, have to say, honestly, and then they'll give us more and more. so that's how we have grown our relationships with clients. 80 clients in the first two years. so it has been a good -- we had great reception in the marketplace. >> good run so far. ben lieber, the firm is potomac law group, half the firm is

women. good luck. continued success. >> thank you very much. the secret service investigating whether celebrities, including folks at the white house, were hacked. we're taking this a step further. i asked a former hacker to find out how easy it is for him to find out whatever he can about me online. we will all see what he found live next. ♪ [ male announcer ] start with nothing, build a ground-breaking car. good. now build a time machine. go here, find someone who can build a futuristic dash board display. bring future guy back. watch him build a tft display like nothing you've ever seen. get him to explain exactly what that is. the thin film transistor display... [ male announcer ] mmm, maybe not. just show it. customize the dash, give it park assist. the fuel efficiency flower thing. send future guy home, his work here is done. destroy time machine. win some awards, send in brady. that's how you do it. easy.

>> this is an incredible tragedy. imagine living in a neighborhood so dangerous that you can be shot while changing your baby's diaper in your minivan. this is a tragic reality that happened on chicago's south side. it's a neighborhood that has a soaring murder rate. six months old jonylah watkins died this morning after surgery to try to save her from a gunshot wound. her father, jonathan watkins was shot twice and is expected to be okay. police now say dad was the target. >> this appears to be a targeted incident. it was very clear that whoever was doing this was firing at the father and exclusively at the father who happened to be sitting in a minivan with a child. >> police are looking for a gunman who sped off in a blue van. they are also investigating a facebook post that said watkins is a gang member. back after this.

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we now have a verdict today in this disturbing trial, the so-called cannibal cop. the jury coming down with a guilty verdict in the case against new york city police officer gilberto valle accused of planning to kidnap and eat women. valle never actually harmed anyone. defense attorneys had argued that he did nothing more than use the internet to engage in dark fantasies. guilty from the jury there in

manhattan. officials in new orleans are now searching for a missing teacher. 26-year-old terry lynn monet vanished more than a week ago. searchers have been combing a park near her apartment. she was last seen out and about with woods and she's had a walk through the park here just to get home. police are reviewing surveillance video to see if she left with anyone. >> if you think everyone's private information is safe online, think again. the fbi and secret service are investigating the possible hacking of high-profile celebrities like jay-z, political leaders like joe biden, hillary clinton, the first lady here michelle obama. hackers claim to have social security numbers, credit reports, much, much more sensitive information here. the result now secret service very tight-lipped about the whole thing, only telling us, quote, we will confirm the secret service is investigating the matter.

we cannot comment further as it is an ongoing matter. kevin is a former computer hacker and joins me now. we wanted to take this story one step further here, and let me just tell you this. it is not clear how much this information is accurate and whether it was obtained by hacking or by public record, but what i did for this segment, gave you permission with my first, middle and last name to see what information you can dig up on me online and dare i ask, without giving it away, tell me what you found. >> i found your social security number, your date of birth, your cell phone numbers, the addresses that you lived at since -- letty m me see, since , every address and every phone number at that address and scott mcneely once said, the ex-ceo of sun microsystems. you have no privacy, get over it. >> apparently not. you found my social. >> i found your social. it took all about one minute.

there's databases on the internet, information brokers used and private investigators used and to do these types of searchers cost from 25 cents to a dollar and anyone can get this information about anyone. it's really the milk is spilled and the information is already out there and what's important is people not use this information as a means of authentication. >> i would like to put the milk back in the carton, kevin. tell me -- tell me and other people who are listening if you're telling me that anyone anywhere can find this information online, what do we need to do to protect ourselves? >> well, because this information is out there and there's no way that you're going to put the milk back in the carton is you never, ever use these -- this type of non-public personal identification as a password, as a means to reset your password on any credit card sites or online banking sites. you have to assume that your social security number is public. >> but i n