sex scandals ever. >> sure. >> now he's one of the most popular politicians around with about two-thirds of all americans approving of him. how much, if at all, then do you think getting caught in a scandal hurts politicians? it's a temporary hurt it seems. >> i think it is temporary. it depends on the scandal. i'm hoping to get into a scandal to raise my visibility across the country. i'm not sure which way it will be. bill clinton is back stronger than ever. you have the two politicians we've talked about. even people in the midst of a scandal, rod blagojevich was on "celebrity apprentice" while under indictment, tom delay was on "dancing with the stars." today you're famous, there's cash cache to that and it will get eyes to watch a tv show and buy books.

there's a hyper reality show mentality we have. >> do you have any advice for someone trying to bounce back from a scandal? do you take time off and try and ease your way back in. >> yes. >> or like you said if you're famous you get out there and take it while it's hot? >> i think it's part of what your scandal is, what did you do wrong, the former congressman from ohio was in prison for a year, wrote a book and last week he was on all the talk show. his prison time has passed, he's contrite, writes a book, he bad mouths congress, he's on all the shows and i bet you'll see more of him maybe as a regular contributor. we saw eliot spitzer go from governor to hosting a show on this tv as well. its f it's a personal thing like you cheated on your spouse, it's wrong, regrettable, but as long as it's not a corruption trial i think you'll see the guys back and have a sense of humor. mock yourself a little bit saying look i made a mistake. i know it. as time passes, bill clinton is

great at that. >> good point. dean thank you so much, so good to get your insight. we appreciate it. >> nice seeing you. >> thank you for keeping me company here. i'm out of here, i'm hungry, i'm going to get breakfast. "state of the union with candy crowley" starts right now. one if by land, two if by sea drive. today, the administration sounds the alarm on the next battlefield, cyberspace. >> the threat this country faces in the cyber domain are increasing on a daily basis and the threat is going to continue and it's going to grow. >> chinese cyber attacks and the nuclear ambitions of north korea and iran, the chairman and ranking member of the house intelligence committee weigh in. then -- ten years after shock and awe, we look at the war in iraq through the prism of two veterans who went from the battlefields of iraq to the halls of congress. plus --

>> we don't need a new idea. there is an idea. the idea is called america and it still works. >> the gop of old has grown stale and moss covered. >> rand paul wins a conservative straw poll. can he help resuscitate the grand old party? and does president obama need to use his charm offensive on democrats? our political panel chimes in, including a face that's new to politics. i'm candy crowley. and this is "state of the union." with me now, the leaders of the house intelligence committee, ranking member duck loopersberg and chairman mike rogers. gentlemen, thank you, always nice to be with you. i want to start out with the trip of the. the, one of his goals it to convince the prime minister that the u.s. really will not allow iran to develop a nuclear weapon. he said in an interview recently that the u.s. believes iran is at least a year away from

developing nuclear weapon capability. prime minister netanyahu has always had a shorter timetable for that. what accounts for that difference in. >> think about where israel is in the world. egypt is no longer a reliable partner for peace, syria is a mess and getting worse by the day, and the number of weapons systems and jihadists that are flooding syria and have the potential to have those weapons systems throughout the lavant is concerning and oh by the way, have iran threatening to annihilate israel and clearly pursuing a nuclear weapon. the analysts are close. there are some differences and mainly it's this thing called the dash, so everybody agrees that iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program and the last part of it is, can they take the highly enriched uranium, weaponize it and put it on a missile for use. there is the debate, how long would it take to accomplish the last piece of that.

that's where the united states analysts are saying could be a year. i wouldn't be as certain where the president is, and the israelis believe it's going to be sooner than that, and that's why the pressure is mounting for some action, maybe other than sanctions, for iran so they get the signal that we really won't tolerate them getting a nuclear weapon and proliferating nuclear weapons across the middle east. >> would you agree, congressman? >> i agree with what the chairman said. >> when you agree with him, do you mean you also think it's the timetable is shorter than the year the president laid out? >> well, some of this is classified, but let's just say this, whether it's short or long, i think it's important to know and especially for israel to know that president obama has clearly say we will not tolerate them having a nuclear president. you know the president and netanyahu will be meeting in israel which is good. i know that relationship has not been what it should be but i think the fact that the president is going there and i

think he'll reaffirm that we will not tolerate iran to have a nuclear weapon. not only for israel but the whole region. >> we can't afford to be wrong about where the line is. we can't afford to miscalculate when they have it. >> you can't trust iran. they're a rogue nation, exporting terrorism, they're cyber attack is out there. so we have to deal with that issue and i think right now the president going to israel that there hopefully will be some agreement between netanyahu and the president. >> let me move you on to something that james clapper, who is the director of the national intelligence agency, said tuesday at the senate select committee about a cyber attack. >> when it comes to the succinct threat areas our statement this year leads with cyber, and it's hard to overemphasize its significance. we see indications that some terrorist organizations are interested in developing offensive cyber capabilities and as cyber criminals are using a growing black market to sell

cyber tools that fall into the hands of both state and non-state actors. >> as clearly as you can, tell me what the threat is that he's talking about. >> well, there are different levels of the threat. there's the criminal threat and the organized criminal threat. as a matter of fact the credit card in your viewer's wallet today will get hit about 300,000 times, people trying to get the information through the credit card money to steal money for them. the next level up is cyber espionage, mainly by the nation state of china stealing intellectual property, in other words the blueprints that allow to you build your proed and have a job, they go in, steal it, repurpose it and use it to artificially compete in the world market. that costs us real jobs and lastly the highest level is the military or cyber attack meaning they could shut down a financial institution, our electric grid, and cause significant damage and harm to our economy. >> and this was the head of sort of our top spy guy saying this

is the number one threat so my guess is he's not talking about criminal activity getting your credit card. he's talking about terrorists, and yet we hear we're maybe two years away from the capability and that's what we were told. >> we're not two years at all. we're having attacks as we speak right now. >> by terrorists? >> by nation states. >> we certainly know that china is, or we believe china to be behind some of this industrial spying but i'm talking about the last thing that he said about, and we know that terrorists are looking to do the kinds of things you talked about, shutting down -- >> different issues there. we know that terrorists, non-nation states are seeking the capability to do cyber attacks. >> right. >> they're probably not there yet. here's the other problem, a non-rational actor, iran, is already at the shores of the united states with cyber attacks, and that's what's so concerning. i think that's why all of us, dutch and i have been working so hard on that. >> let's talk about that. we have a tax rigattacks, wall

street has been attacked. other capabilities from other countries including iran to knock out our grid system, to attack some of our banks, icana has probably stolen more trade secrets, the largest amount of theft in the history of the world and we have got to stop this. one of the issues out there, mike and i have been working on this for two years and we put together a bill that would pass in a bipartisan manner last year. went to the senate and failed and we have to move forward and people are saying why do we have to continue? and in that one year we've had more attacks, "the washington post," "the new york times" are getting atacked, and they're getting stronger. what keeps you up at night, i'll say spicy food, weapons of mass destruction and destructive cyber attacks, and we have the capability to stop this, but we have to pass our bill, and our bill is only 37 pages, our bill deals with privacy issues yet

we're working with the white house and the senate and the privacy groups to try to get a bill that will protect our privacy, but protect us from these cyber attacks. >> let me ask you about a more traditional threat, that is north korea. it seems to me that the worry level of the united states has gone up since we got kim jong-un. why is that? because we have sort of always thought yes, north korea, it's a rogue state and it's private and we don't know what they're doing but now there seems to be some sort of urgency about their nuclear capabilities. can they reach u.s. shores? >> they certainly have a ballistic missile that can reach u.s. shores. they recently had their third nuclear test and you know, there was lots of speculation about the warning to the north koreans not to do it. they have a 28-year-old leader who is trying to prove himself to the military and the military eager to have a saber rattling

for their own self-interest and the combination of that is proving to be very deadly. the sheer threat that they'd openly threaten a nuclear attack against the united states is problem enough but their military movement along the dmz, the demilitarized zone in north korea a whole new set of problems for us. it's the largest military in the world still in uniform. this is something that we have to take seriously and you can see they're looking for some provocation, not just along the border but there's some islands that they're interested in, a few years ago they fired artillery on the island. this is very concerning ase just don't know the stability of their leader, again, 28 years old, we're just not confident that we know who wouldn't take those steps. >> we knew his father better. >> yes, absolutely. >> i have to mov on to a different subject simply because we were told that the fbi interviewed a man in connection with the 9/11 attack in libya. do you know if he was involved in the benghazi attack? if he was, should he come here

for a trial? >> look, first the issue of trial is whether you come to the united states for a trial, a civil trial or whether you are a prisoner and gitmo. i think it depends on a case by case basis. when you do go into the process of the civil court and you're what they call lawyered up, a lot of times that's when the information stops yet history shows some of the people we have taken to civil court even after a lawyer we've gotten information from so i think you have to look at the issue case by case what happens. i can tell you this, we as a nation are the strongest country in the world and we need to show that we can try people and convict people and our country and protect witnesses and everything else. so there are a lot of issues here but it's got to depend on a case by case basis. >> congressman, was this man involved in the benghazi attack? >> we're not sure yet. we have pretty good indications that he is highly suspected of being involved and again, the problem with criminalizing this is that it lengthens the

process. it slows everything down, and the key to these things is getting information soon. so you don't want to bring somebody, have them mirandized which tells them you don't have to talk to us and by the way we'll pay for a lawyer in an enemy combatant situation, that is exactly the wrong thing to do. when you criminalize it, it slows things down and more importantly doesn't allow you to get the information you need to protect the united states. >> councilman mike rogers and congressman dutch ruppers berger, we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. next, two iraq war veterans who also happen to be newly elected to the house of representatives. and later, president obama deploys his charm offensive to woo republicans but has he forgotten the democrats? our political panel weighs in, democratic strategist kiki maclaine and a new voice from

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tul welcome back. she served in hawaii and was deployed to iraq. he was an infantry pla foon leader with the 101st airborne. both were elected to congress this past november and both are with me now democratic congressman tulsi gabbard of hawaii and republican congressman tom cotton of arkansas, thank you both for coming here with your particular brand of expertise and i want to ask you looking at the war now and how you felt about it when you first touched down in iraq and how you feel about it now, is there a difference? >> well, i'll start out here. when i was activated for duty, it was actually by combat team in hawaii that was activated, i

was serving in the state legislature and like many of the other soldiers this was not something being a national guard soldier that was quite expected at that time. i was serving my constituents and in the beach going surfing on the weekends and found out this deployment of close to 3,000 hawaii troops was happening to iraq. i was not on that first mandatory deployment roster, but knew very quickly that there was no way that i could stay home in the comfort of my house and in hawaii and watch my brothers and sisters deploy, and recognizing the necessity to stand with them, as they went off to combat. the experience completely changed my life, and was very big motivator in recognizing what are the true costs of war, seeing that on a daily basis, and bringing that experience here to congress, where we have a very real responsibility of making those decisions about when and where our troops go to combat, and i remember those names and my friends and people

who were lost every single day. >> do you find that you just look at war and the declaration of war, although there wasn't one in this case but nonetheless is different, having served? >> the iraq war wasn't just a noble war. i joined the army after 9/11, after the iraq war was started, i joined in part because i wanted to fight on the front lines. i served there in 2006. before the surge started frankly after i left iraq toward the end of 2006 i was worried we were losing the war but after the surge i felt that we succeeded and we have a generation of veterans now who are going to be leaders all around the country, the same way the world war ii generation was, the same way the vietnam generation was, john mccain and the u.s. senate, fred smith, the founder of fedex, my father who is a leader in our small town. i think you'll see a generation of leaders coming across the country. i'm a veteran, tulsi is a veteran. i met last week with a friend

and we have accomplishments in iraqs we should celebrate and accomplishments over the next several decades we'll make it a better place. >> let me bring you back now ten years later. i. you the it to jeb bush, the former governor of florida, obviously the brother of the president who went into iraq and showed us the statistics of so many people, saying it was a bad idea, it wasn't worth it and here's what he had to say. >> a lot of things in history change over time. i think people will respect the resolve that my brother showed both in defending the country and the war in iraq, but history will judge that in a more objective way than today. the war has wound down now and it's still way too early to judge what success it had in terms of providing some stability in the region. >> congresswoman do you think it's too early to judge the

success or the lack thereof in the war in iraq? >> it's one of the problems we've seen today as well as we saw throughout the time we spent there is victory was not clearly defined. we had many different things, taking out saddam hussein, we had a civil war that really between the shia and the sunni and we also had the threat of al qaeda and terrorists, and our i think miscalculation there of fighting this unconventional threat, these unconventional terrorists who know no allegiance to a specific flag or country with very conventional tactics. i think as we look through the past and we look forward to the future we look to the threats we're facing today, for example, north korea, you know, you talked about this a little bit earli earlier, countries that have very specific capabilities that have nuclear weapons that have missiles that are within range of places like hawaii and alaska, where the people in my community are very concerned about what kinds of actions we'll take.

>> i guess the question is though do you think ten years out it was worth it or do you think it's too soon to tell? >> again it's a question of what does worth it mean? was it worth it to the lives that were lost there? was it worth it with the trillions of dollars that we've spent there? >> go ahead. >> i would say it was worth it but it was also a little bit too soon to tell because there's nothing ever certain in human affairs but if you look at the accomplishment of our troops in iraq, they deposed an evil tyrant who was an aggressive international dictator, he invaded across two boundaries, he demonstrated the ability and the will to use weapons of mass destruction. he was believed by every western government including senior high-ranking officials in president obama's cabinet now to be developing new weapons and in violation of numerous u.n. resolutions. there are certainly missteps in the early days of the war, 2003, '04, '05, '06 just like abraham

lincoln did after the civil war, but still there's no certainty in human affairs. we have to continue to be a leader and troy to foil the iranian regime or bashar al assad's regime in syria to ensure the gains in iraq we've seen in the last ten years remain in the next ten years. >> let me turn to you, congresswoman, you alluded to, veterans, so many of them now, and a lot of the figures that are coming out of the va right now don't speak to a country that really is committed to helping these veterans when they come back. i think we're going to pay out like $59 billion, almost $60 billion, for vets and their families this advice fiscal year. the average time to complete a claim, 261 days. the backlog is more than half a million claims. do you think that the va is doing its job? >> no, not to serve every single veteran that's coming in, both

the new generation of veterans from those who served in iraq and afghanistan as well as those who served in vietnam and korea and other conflicts in our past. without a doubt, we need to do better. we need to do better in congress to make sure that we as a country are fulfilling our responsibility to these veterans who have sacrificed so much, to their families and get the respect in services that they have earned. >> and what is that going to take? do you think general shinseki has done a good job at v a? people say we need the pentagon and va to make a senior transfer out of services to the va. it doesn't happen. it's been ten years since the war started and five years, four and a half since the obama administration took over, what's it going to take? >> i think general shinseki is an example of the many public services at the va, he is a decorated veteran himself.

i've dealt with va officials in arkansas and washington here and they want to do the right thing. they may lack the resources and best practices. in some ways the department of veteran affairs is like an insurance company or claims processing company. they don't always have the best and most modern practices and one thing we could do in congress through oversight is help to ensure they get the training and resources they need. i think the will and the desire are certainly there to serve veterans if you look at an organization like walmart, my home state just announced a new initiative where they're going to hire every veteran who applies for a job, as long as they have a clean background check, they want that experience there. the country certainly appreciates veterans and wants to serve them. >> good intentions just don't get them those benefits soon enough. >> right which is why i think it's important and i appreciate tom's service and being able to work with him as well as other veterans serving in congress and the u.s. senate because it is going to take all of us having a concerted focus, commitment and effort to make sure that the resources are there, that the

focus and attention doesn't wane if it's not at the top of the headline. >> i thank both of you first of all for being here today, most of all for your service both on the battlefield and now in congress. i hope you'll come back and talk to us. >> thank you. >> great to be here. when we return, he placed seventh in this weekend's conservative straw poll but for a man who has never spent a day in politics, he brought up some pretty big faces in the republican party. dr. ben carson is next.

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let's say you magically put me, you know, into the white house, and -- [ cheers and applause ] >> a very enthusiastic reception for dr. ben carson yesterday at the cpac conference just outside washington, d.c. conference participants cast their vote for president in a straw poll. rand paul won that poll but newcomer dr. carson finished in seventh place and beat out many well-known republican politicians. joining me dr. ben carson, including i should say sarah palin. >> i wasn't even on the ballot so i don't know how i got any votes. >> i think you were on the ballot but nonetheless, it is

surprising, you are well-known in the world of neurosurgery and medicine. it became an internet sensation at the very least after a prayer breakfast in which you openly challenged some of the president's principles as it applies to the economy. so when you look at what's happened to you over the past five weeks, how do you explain it? >> well, i can easily explain it by all the correspondence i've gotten from across the country, particularly from a lot of people who said they had given up and they didn't feel that there was anybody who represented their views in washington, d.c., and now they felt energized again, and i think basically what i've been talking about, if you distill it, it's not really right stuff or left stuff. it's logical stuff. you know, it's talking about what has happened historically

to people who don't control their budget, and a whole host of other things, in terms of destroying the harmony in the nation and pitting people against each other, how those things are not useful. i think a lot of people resonate with that. they don't have to be democrats or republicans. they just have to be logical people who want america to succeed. >> and yet i imagine a lot of folks who contacted you were republican inclined since it was seen as a direct critique of obama administration policy. >> i'd say i got a lot of mail from people who said i am a a democrat but i resonate with what you're talking about. i think a lot of democrats are just as interested in harmony and progress as republicans are. >> when you look at -- well first let me ask then, do you consider yourself a republican? >> i'm a registered independent. >> but you lean more -- you were at the conservative republican, i know they asked you to come, but would you say in general

that you lean republican? >> if i were asked to come to a democratic convention and to give my views, i would be happy to do so. >> be careful what you say, dr. carson, you may show up there. tell me, one of the things that we're awaiting is a republican look at what went wrong in 2012. as a voter, as someone more than interested in politics as an observer right now, what would you say the republican party did wrong? >> well, i don't think that they were able to connect with the people to create the level of enthusiasm that was necessary, you know, and i think a lot of the problem is the spending problem, because i think the way that we elect presidents is not good and a lot of people who live in blue states say what's the point of me voting? a lot of people who live in red states say what's the point in me meeting? my vote really doesn't count so they don't vote so we need to reexamine this situation. >> dr. carson you are going to stick with us and join our panel

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and we discussed that senator rand paul won. what does this tell us about the republican party, if anything, that rand paul came out on top? >> well the theme of cpac this year precisely was, you know, new challenges, new generation of conservative leaders, and the two who came out on top were young lead everies, rand paul got 25%, marco rubio got 23%. you look down the list there was paul ryan, chris christie, in other words the top recognized, dr. carson got a good chunk of change there, so we showed that indeed the party is revolving around these new leaders in the conservative movement. we also have a couple of different tents. we've got libertarians, tea party activist, establishment conservatives so the whole idea of the cpac is to bring the whole tent together. >> although, senator paul might object to the, close to

isolationist which has never been among the three things that reagan conservatives have stood for, what do you think it says, if anything? is this just a party in search of itself? >> well, as someone who was part of the democratic leadership council in the early '90s on staff. >> moderate, trying to moderate the democratic party? >> a group of democrats who were trying to lead the party out of the widerness at the time and successfully did so, what you see out of cpac as an outside observer it's a chance for people to introduce themselves. i'm not sure that anybody, any american walked away with an understanding this weekend that the republican party has made a decision about where it's going to go. i think that's still a really big question. i think what you saw were as al said some leaders come in and introduce themselves. it's a little bit of the big pageant before you get into the miss america show, and i think what you saw were some early introductions. i think it's kind of a no hits, no runs, no errors for the republican party. there were moments of disappointment. i think when you saw what ann coulter had to say about immigration that was

disappointing because both sides think there's somewhere to move forward but mostly it was a moment for everybody to say we have a lot of work to do in this party. >> i thought you saw the fusion that the republican party is going through politically, when you have the full retribution in terms of bipartisanship, that if you work on consensus, we're going to primary you from the club for growth, and i think that with the ryan ii budget came out, same as the first one, i think you see a party trying to define itself and i think the cpac was one part of their definition and right now, the definition that has the upper hand and i think it doesn't speak well for electoral politics down the road for republicans as a whole. >> since you brought up ann coulter i want to bring up a quick bite, ann coulter a conservative columnist and commentator and this is part what have she had to say talking about undocumented workers and the pathway to sit zebship or

legal documentation. >> as amnesty goes through, america becomes california and no republican will ever win another national election. >> is that a good message for republicans to have out there at this point? >> well, i don't know that it's a good message for anybody, because you know, we have people here. they're an important part of our economy, and all we have to do is look to our north, canada, where they have a very functional guest worker program, and if we initiated that, allowed people to be here legally, work, be registered, pay taxes, go back home, and to continue along the pathway of citizenship, if that's what they wanted to do, just like anybody else, why do we have to make it into a big political issue. >> and yet it is. >> we had immigration, the evolution of the conservative movement on the issue of immigration is nothing less than astonishing. congressman labrador headed that panel. the panel talked about moving

forward and agreeing on an immigration reform package that covered all of the concerns of the conservative movement and frankly if there was not unanimity a wide consensus that's the way we're going. >> yet she represents a part of the party. >> she has an audience but if you would have looked at this last year you would have never had a panel like this or reaction from the audience like we had. there's been tremendous progress towards a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform package and one that includes the concerns of most conservatives, concerns that have lasted for 20 years or more since the reagan 1986 situation, we thought we needed more in the enforcement side. i think raul and the other members of congress are working on that. so by the time this thing is over, i think most of the wants and needs of all sides of the aisles are going to be met. >> go ahead. >> coulter's comments do nothing but try to stir up state

divisions that we saw for the last three, four, five, six years, us versus them. they're not part of us. those kinds of, you know, barely muted commentaries i think we've gone way beyond the coulter sense of what immigration should be. it's a broken system, most americans agree to that and there is an opportunity here for some bipartisanship and to come up with a solution to the broken system. >> it would take it off the plate for 2016 which i think you all would probably be happy about, republicans. >> well it needs to get done and frankly the window is very narrow. forget '46 14 or '16. if it doesn't get done it may get put on the shelf for a long time. >> they have some big entertainment celebrities, political entertainers on their side of the aisle that i think could prove to be really challenging for the republican party. >> donald trump. >> donald

and here's what she said. >> if the point of it is to take trophies, let's raise the age. that doesn't save money. it's a trophy. it's a scalp. >> so, along with this, we seem to have the former speaker of the house, a current minority leader say you may not touch entitlements. saying to the president, no, you may not touch entitlements and,

yet, everyone says you cannot bring down spending without touching entitlements. do you trust the president to protect medicare, social security, medicaid? >> i'm holding the president to his word to do the campaign that those were important programs that other things can be done to create savings and generate revenue. you know, the progressive caucus budget reflect that and but, but i think we also have to understand that this is also philosophical fight, as much as it is a fiscal fight. the idea of shrinking government and medicare and social security have always been seen as the political targets of some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. so, obviously, this is not just about fiscal policy, it's about political philosophy. when you're at the perch of success, you can talk about reducing spending. but when you're working families or young people trying to get

that dream in this country of ours, it doesn't look the same from the perch. >> what about the idea that there is a division within the democratic party about how to change it. some people say, well, we can take more out of providers and i want to get your take on that with medicare and what about raising the age of social security. what about saying, if you make this much money as a person over 65, you ought not get as much social security as everybody else. is that something that the president would look like? you get that vibe? >> i think to be a good leader on this, you have to recognize that everything is on the table and handled responsibility. and great faith in president obama's willingness and commitment to do that. here is what we do know. we know that the congressman pointed out a political philosophy and people on both ends of the argument that will create the boundaries, if you will, for the debate to bring that in the middle. that's what the two different budgets get. where do we start the

conversation? the reality is resolution to the crisis that we're in right now won't feel good for everybody at the end of the day, what it does mean is that everybody has to be willing to be at the table so we can move forward because the worst thing that can happen is nothing. >> i don't share her confidence. look, many have asked me what happened at the 2012 election. you asked dr. carl carcson earlier. they were giving away cheesecake to 100% of the electorate. these entitlement programs require serious thought and require some sacrifice and require providing a safety net, but on affordable basis. not affordable and we're not going to deal with serious problems with america unless we deal with it more seriously. i think their sight and i think as congressman said, dealing with their promises during the campaign and the mathematical realities of the day. >> let me give you the last word here with 30 seconds and that is, entitlements.

do you think that benefits and entitlements such as medicare and social security need to be cut for some recipients? >> i think we have to realize we don't live in isolation, this is history. when these things were started, what was the average age somebody collected social security? what was the average age of death? if we just live in isolation and don't adjust as things happen, of course, we'll be in trouble. >> to say that people are getting older and we ought to extend the age for some of those benefits. thank you, all, for being here. i appreciate your time. come back. >> okay, thanks. when we return, pope francis delivers his first sermon to the faithful. the headlines are next. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs,

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