the answer could make history, the question is, will the supreme court decide there's no good way of defending the defense of marriage act? also tonight, a massive landslide. later, new insight, new details into the dark and dangerous mind of that man, the tucson rampage killer, what he was doing and saying, we begin tonight at the supreme court. we begin tonight with the supreme court, with signs that the so-called defense of marriage act is in deep trouble, doma, as it is called, the 1996 law defining marriage as between a man and woman. tell that to an 83-year-old woman, edith windsor, fought to get her story and case that bears her name, united states v.

windsor before the highest court in the land. edith windsor marry her wife in canada. when her wife died she was forced to pay $360,000 in inheritance tax, because the marriage was not recognized by doma. the obama administration refused to defend it. a lawyer for the white house speaking today, drawing tough questioning from six of the nine justices. >> well, is what happened in 1996, and i'm going to quote from the house report here, is that congress decided to reflect and honor a collective moral judgment and express moral disapproval of homosexuality. is that what happened in 1996? what gives the federal government the right to be concerned that all at what the definition of marriage is? >> when it has 1,100 laws, which in our society means that the federal government is

intertwined with the citizen's day-to-day life, you are at real risk of running in conflict with what has always been thought to be the essence of the state police power, which is to regulate marriage, divorce, custody. >> as justice kennedy said, 1,100 statutes, and it affects every area of life. and so you are really diminishing what the state has said is marriage. you are saying no, state, there are two kinds of marriages, the full marriage, and then the sort of skim milk marriage. >> well, afterwards, edith windsor said it went beautifully and that her late spouse, thea spire, would be pleased. >> today is leak a spectacular for me. a lifetime kind of event. i know the spirit of my late

spouse is right here watching and listening and would be very proud and happy of where we've come to. >> well today's case came just a day after oral arguments on california's proposition 8, california's same-sex marriage ban. justices both liberal and conservative, seemed reluctant yesterday to use it as a basis for sweeping national change. this case, doma, could be just the opposite. senior analyst jeffrey toobin joins us, he was inside the court. i know everything comes from the caveat that the supreme court could surprise us, but you think that doma is in trouble, the majority of justices are inclined to throw it out. why do you say that? >> because of what justice kennedy said, the four democratic nominees to the supreme court were all very clearly hostile to the defense of marriage act, and so where were they going to get the fifth vote? well, anthony kennedy is the only real likely possibility, but repeatedly during the oral arguments today, he expressed what appeared to be his view

that the defense of marriage act violated state's rights. he did not talk about that it violated the rights of gay people. he said that it -- it violates the state's ability to regulate and create the laws of marriage. and he said it over and over again. and that is a winning argument for the defense of marriage act critics -- of edith windsor and company. >> well, chief justice john roberts was critical of how president obama was handling doma, they're not defending the law in court but still enforcing it. here is part of what the chief justice said, i want to play that. >> i don't see why he doesn't have the courage of his convictions and execute not only the statute, but do it consistent with his view of the constitution, rather than saying oh, well, we'll wait until the supreme court says we'll have no choice. >> tough words there, question whether the president has the courage of his convictions.

that was the term he used. does the chief justice have a point, though, is the white house trying to have it both ways? >> well, the white house has approached the case in a very careful, one might say, political manner. they don't want to push too far, alienate too many opponents of same-sex marriage, so they are sort of dumping this problem in the supreme court's lap. and chief justice roberts was not too happy about that. >> it is interesting, though, you say the supreme court doesn't want to be seen on the wrong side of history. and yet the indications, at least from the prop 8 arguments yesterday is that a majority of the justices are not eager to deal with the merits of the case or feel the timing isn't right. what i don't get, isn't it either constitutional or not? it's clearly a major issue in this country. the tide of public opinion seems to be shifting and unmistakable. why kick the can down the road? if something is constitutional or unconstitutional? >> well, this is the thing i thought was so interesting.

you know, we have talked so much about how public opinion has changed. but it was the conservatives on the court who kept raising the issue of public opinion. john roberts did it again today. he said, look, you are making all kinds of progress state by state. why do you want us to get involved? why should the supreme court get involved when this is a live political issue. you're making all kinds of progress, and of course, the challengers to the defense of marriage act, just like the challengers to proposition 8 said, this is why we have a supreme court, to decide what's constitutional and what's not. and so that was the tension that was on display. both days. >> but why would they want to not rule? is it just politics? is it -- why wouldn't they want to determine if was something that is constitutional or not? >> well, because by and large, the justices -- and this is true on both sides of the ideological

divide -- believe it is sort of a last resort for the elected, unaccountable supreme court to protect the process. they only want to step in if there is absolutely no doubt that a law violates the constitution. so that -- that rhetoric of letting the democratic process go forward is something you hear a lot in the supreme court. you heard it today. but also you heard the solicitor general saying sure, the democratic process is fine but when it violates people's rights, this is when the justices have to step in. four justices seem quite willing to step in, the four democratic appointees. they didn't seem to have a fifth vote on the issue, but probably had a fifth on the issue of state's rights. >> jeff, stay with us because i want to move into another issue that came up and also the

issue of doma, and the state of science, whether raising children with same-sex marriage families, the couple, is a good or bad thing, during yesterday's oral arguments on proposition 8, several justices and attorneys defending proposition 8 expressed doubt about the scientific consensus on the subject, justice scalia expressing doubts, justice kennedy expressing doubts because of how recently the body of knowledge is, and the lawyer defending prop 8 saying there's no doubt and no study. is that really the case? we wanted to know is that really the case, we wanted to bring in dr. drew pensky, dr. drew, you have been pouring over the research that exists. is there harm? or are children of marriage, same-sex couples, any different than the couples? >> the data is incomplete. they have a point. there are good studies. they have good retention rates, the same-sex couples stay in this situation for a long period of time, they want the outcomes

as others, the data i looked at doesn't show any difference in terms of psychological function, outcomes of the kids, sometimes children were affected by homophobia, i don't know if that was substantiated or not. they found in lesbian couples, sometimes the females, there was one study showed thats there more same-sex experimentation, the girls, daughter, no more identification as in the gay or regular population. and overall the only thing that stood out as something it did impact on the kids was the status of the relationship between the couple. were the same-sex couples healthy or not? and if they were, the data will look the same as in any other heterosexual couple. >> some of the opponents of same-sex marriage says there isn't enough data. >> there is not enough data but it's trending in the right direction. there are good studies, journals dedicated to it. it is incomplete. i agree with all that. the trend looks very positive

for same-sex couples. >> was it justice kennedy who was very concerned about how the kids are faring in same-sex marriages? >> he said two different things which is not out of character for justice kennedy. at one point he said we have 40,000 kids, aren't they entitled to have parents who are legally recognized by the state? so that seems a very pro same-sex marriage comment. he said we have had one kind of marriage for 2,000 years and another kind for five or ten years, how can we know they are essentially equivalent when it comes to child bearing. justice alito said same-sex marriage is newer than cell phones or the internet. how can we know for sure that there is no potential damage to kids? now you may ask, which i certainly thing the cynical among us will ask, are they really concerned about kids or

are they just looking for an excuse to maintain the discrimination against gay people? that is a question that is certainly below the surface here. >> because on the face of it, the case is not about children, although justices and courts have to be concerned about the welfare of kids. but this is about whether or not couples can get married. why are the justices going beyond that in the discussions? >> well, because one reason marriage exists and one reason marriage has been defined as between a man and woman, has been that this is how we -- the children come into the world, historically. this is the procreation, is a big part of marriage. and the opponent, the opponents of proposition 8, the supporters of same-sex marriage say wait a second, gay people have children. gay people are good parents. they should not be denied the legal status that we give to all the other parents who want to be married in the world. >> dr. drew, is stability in the studies the key, what is key for kids? >> health of the relationship, health of the couple, and if

kids need one thing, we know they need to feel safe, sustained over time in a stable environment. if you are creating the instability, i like the idea of a skim milk marriage, that seems rather unstable, there's some uncertainty there, that always goes against kids. it is very hard to argue, looking at the trend being very positive. and what we know about what kids need, we need to study it. we need more data, but the data doesn't look like we'll see anything glaring. >> dr. drew, thank you for joining us, and jeff toobin, i know this has been a long day for you. thanks. this is all taking place, shifting in favor of same-sex marriage, not everywhere, but national polls. but there remains on the high profile, the number of openly gay players in pro baseball, basketball, and football now stands at precisely zero, not one active player. >> we're behind society as a whole in the nfl locker room, and society is way ahead of us.

the majority of americans were ready but we're not here to do what's popular or do what the majority of people think is right. >> that is the baltimore ravens who is a leading advocate on the lgbt issues and spoke at a rally outside the supreme court, he thinks an openly gay player will not be in nfl but major league baseball. joining me now is minnesota vikings punter chris kluwe. what do you make about what is happening at the court some. >> well, i think it is unfortunate that the supreme court is moving away from the idea of making a sweeping statement here, because they have a perfect chance to show american citizens who pay their taxes, serve in our military and who are being discriminated against are no longer discriminated against. >> it is interesting, they are coming down on marriage, military service, we don't really see it happening in major sports. actually, why do you think that

is? why do you think there has not been an openly gay player in the nfl or national basketball association or major league baseball? >> well, it is just because the window of opportunity to play is so short that you don't want to risk a distraction that could keep you from keeping that job. it is very tough to make it to the professional leagues in the first place, and anything that lowers that possibility, guys are going to avoid. >> i am interested in why you have been so vocal on this issue, because you don't see a lot of players coming forward and speaking out on this issue, straight players who -- who are taking a very public stand on this. what was your evolution on this? >> well, i have always been raised to treat other people the way i would like to be treated. it's a very simple philosophy. a lot of religions have it as a core tenant. to me it was the fact people were not being treated fairly. if i am free to marry my wife and raise my children, why are other people not free to do the same thing? that is what america is founded

on, the freedom to live your own life. >> how do you believe a sports figure would fare if they did come out and say they were gay? >> i think there would be support in the locker room, there are a couple of guys who wouldn't get it. but that's pretty much society at large, there are people who wouldn't get it. you pretty much have to wait for them to grow old and die off. the fans would probably take a little while to come into it. but at the end of the day i think it would be fine. >> there was one potential nfl player who recently came forward and said he had been asked about whether he dated, had a girlfriend, by people who were scouting him. did that surprise you? >> it doesn't really surprise me teams are almost pathological in their need to have information, i can see why they're asking the question, that being said, that question shouldn't be asked.

the player is in a vulnerable position, relying on the team to give them a job. that gives the teams a lot of power over what they can expect from the players. that is something that should be off limits in future combines and draft processes. i think the commissioner will probably make sure that's the case. >> cbs sports is reporting that an nfl player is rumored to be on the verge of coming out. what would be your advice to that person? >> just stay true to yourself, and realize that you have allies within the league and outside the league. like i said earlier, there are always going to be people who don't get it but more and more people are getting it and realizing that this is a matter of being free to live your own life without the oppression of somebody else. >> chris kluwe, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> follow me, let us know what you think about this. we'll take you to this

incredible piece of property. and cliffside property, minus a chunk of the cliff. look at that home, literally on the edge of a disaster, no one fully understands or no one can really stop it. we'll tell you where it is. and later, the southern california killer ex-cop, there was a million dollar reward for getting him, the authorities got him. so why are the people not getting the money? the answers are ahead. first aid antibiotic. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

tonight, a place that is normally pretty close to paradise is on the brink of disaster, and some places literally over the edge. cliffside property on an exclusive island near seattle sliding tonight into the puget sound. take a look at these images. one home has already gone down. more than a dozen others on very shaky ground. residents have been evacuated. no one hurt, thankfully. it could have been much worse. the landslide began around 4:00

a.m. people heard what sounded like thunder, they said. however, the cause remains a mystery. the area is prone to landslides. they haven't had rain in days. jamie lynn from cnn affiliate komo joins us from washington's whidbey island. what did you learn? >> reporter: well, anderson, this landslide is just massive, over 700 feet wide. and officials say this is normal for this time of year, but they tell me it's the largest landslide they've seen in their career here in washington state. i'm going to step out of the way. i want you to take a look at one of the homes that was evacated along the ridge here. you can see we have the caution tape out front and you can also see puget sound right behind that house. the problem is, there used to be a backyard there, anderson. now, 75 to 80 feet of that backyard has fallen down that landslide. >> do they have any idea what caused this? >> reporter: yeah, we spoke with a landslide geologist, and he works here for washington state. he says he thinks it's a rotational landslide. he says it's possible that the

land in this area has been moving for several months, several years. it could be happening all the time. he thinks that is what led to this giant landslide. again, it's over 700 feet wide. and we've got dozens of people that have been evacuated. they're worried about what they're going to come home to. >> is there anything they can do? this may be a dumb question. but to shore up the cliffside? >> reporter: right now, no. that's why they have this entire area evacuated. they just want people to stay away. they want to keep them safe. i was out here all afternoon with my photographer. we watched the rock fall and it continued to fall, large clumps of rock. so it's pretty scary out here. >> incredible. jamie, appreciate your reporting, thanks. as we look at more of those images, we're joined on the phone by the local fire chief, ed harden and one of the evacuated islanders. ed, how many homes right now are affected? >> well, during the day, we evacuated 34 homes on driftwood

and fir crest. and of that, the more difficult evacuation was down on driftwood. the area that was directly impacted below the slide where we had to rescue one individual using an atv and then the balance were brought out using our marine unit and rescue boat, because of continued slide activity in the area. >> and some of these images we're seeing, cliffs -- homes just hanging over these cliffs. you think it's possible more homes are going to be lost, right? >> well, we've got four homes that we're concerned with in particular. both down on fir crest, which is down near the water, and then up -- and then up on driftwood. or down on driftwood. so there's four that we're

predominantly concerned about. we've had a geotechnical assessment by an engineer working for the county, and his advice is it's still an active slide but we've identified which areas are most at risk and we'll be meeting to brief the homeowners in the community at 7:00 p.m. >> kevin, you were at home when this happened. what did you hear? what did you see? >> well, it sounded a lot like -- well, the thing i can compare it to most is when mount st. helen's blew. >> could you feel it? did the house shake? >> pardon? >> did the house shake? you could actually feel it? >> not really. i mean, it was just like something solid just hit. it didn't really shake the house. >> how close is your house now to the cliff? >> i'd say a couple hundred feet.

>> and i mean, did you have any real warning? how quickly did you have to get out of the house? >> well, i didn't have any warning. i mean, i was sleeping. but -- and i had gotten out of the house as soon as i figured out what was going on, talked to the local firefighters and they said you should get out. and it was dark, so i couldn't really make an assessment. >> have you been able to go back in at all to get anything else? >> went back this afternoon and emptied the contents. >> you were able to empty some of the contents out. ed, i know this isn't a freak occurrence, your community has dealt with the threat of landslides before, is there a timetable on this? how do you know when it's done? >> well, that's a difficult question to answer. at this point, it's still an active slide. there's still some -- there's still some ground movement going on. we've had a preliminary geotechnical assessment, but that process is going to continue tomorrow. and as you mentioned, this is an

area where this has occurred to a smaller extent in the past. and the ground is prone to movement in that area. >> well, ed, i know it's been incredibly long hours for you. i appreciate you talking to us, ed hartin, and kevin i'm sorry for what you and your neighbors are going through. and i wish you the best. i hope your house is okay. appreciate you being with us. for more on the story, go to cnn.com. just ahead, inside a killer's mind. the signs that were missed in the days and hours before jared loughner opened fire in that tucson parking lot. thousands of pages released today paint a chilling picture and a lot of new details we had not heard before. also, a million dollar reward offered in the heat of the manhunt, of the rogue ex cop, christopher dorner. the money is being claimed, the reward money is being claimed but some of the donors that said they'd pony up the money are backing out. we'll tell you why.

colorado movie theater shooting suspect offers to plead guilty but there's a catch.

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tonight we have a former chilling picture of the days and hours leading up to the moment jared loughner gunned down 19 people in an arizona parking lot, killing 6 and wounding 13 others. arizona congresswoman gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head. in the 26 months since that awful day, we've watched her hard-fought recovery. loughner diagnosed with schizophrenia after the rampage is serving a life sentence. today authorities released thousands of interviews, police reports, containing details we've never heard before. for instance, just hours before the shooting loughner broke down crying after he was pulled over for running a red light. when the officer who didn't ticket him asked if he was okay, loughner said, quote, yeah, i'm okay, i was having a rough time and thought i was going to get a ticket and really glad you're not. loughner told an officer who handcuffed him, quote, i just want you to know i'm the only person that knew about this.

the same officer said loughner pleaded the fifth repeatedly in the patrol car. some of the most chilling details come from loughner's parents. it's clear they were very worried about their son's mental state. jake tapper has more. >> reporter: the most haunting thing about the killer's face, that smile. we'll never know exactly what jared loughner was thinking, but today the pima county, arizona sheriff's department released almost 32003 pages of documents from their investigation. and they paint a picture of a man who long ago lost touch with reality. his parents told police he dabbled in cocaine and marijuana and once owned a shotgun. but upon advice of school administrators, after he was kicked out of community college for an inflammatory video he posted online, they took that gun from him and hid it, along with an antique gun, in the trunk of their car. his mother said her son never got the mental health evaluation the school recommended when they expelled him. but she acknowledged his behavior was, quote, not normal. sometimes you'd hear him in his room, like, having conversations. and sometimes he would look like he was having a conversation

with someone right there, talking to someone. i don't know how to explain it. loughner's father said he was becoming difficult to talk to in the months before the shooting. one friend who worked at the store where loughner bought the glock he used in the shooting told authorities he would say he could dream and control what he was doing while dreaming. another friend got this voice mail message from loughner the night before the shootings. hey, it's -- this is jared. i had some very good times. and peace out. later. we're also learning more about the chaos and acts of heroism that day after loughner pulled the trigger. congresswoman gabby giffords' intern, daniel hernandez, who helped tend to his boss after she was shot in the head said in an interview, she couldn't open her eyes. i tried to get any responses from her. it looked like her left side was the only side that was still mobile. she couldn't speak. it was mumbled. she was squeezing my hand. and anderson, just a reminder, jared loughner pleaded guilty to 19 federal charges and will be in prison for the rest of his life without the possibility of

parole. anderson? >> jake, thanks a lot. a lot more happening tonight, susan hendricks. >> anderson, new court documents show colorado movie theater shooting suspect james holmes has offered to plead guilty and spend the rest of his life in prison in exchange for avoiding the death penalty. the 25-year-old is accused of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others in the attack last july. prosecutors say they will decide if they'll accept the plea deal at a court hearing next week. a grand jury has indicted two teenagers in the death of a 13-month-old baby in brunswick, georgia. the baby's mother says she was pushing him in a stroller when he was shot to death in an attempted robbery last week. in euclid, ohio now, three police officers are credited with rescuing a man trapped inside this burning suv. the driver was unresponsive after crashing into a building. he was charged with operating a vehicle while impaired. anderson, back to you. >> unbelievable. susan, thanks. tomorrow night we air a

piece i did for "60 minutes" when i went to botswana, diving with crocodiles in scary underwater caves. it was a scary experience. here's a preview. i know i should be terrified, but the truth is, it's actually thrilling. you get so close, literally looking at it right in the face, staring at it face to face. a crocodile's front vision is not very good. so this is actually a relatively safe place to be. >> relatively safe. tune into "360" tomorrow night, 8:00 eastern to see the rest of the report right here on cnn. still ahead tonight, the manhunt that had southern california on edge for more than a week. $1 million, you may remember, was offered for information leading to the capture of cop killer, christopher dorner. but now it's possible that money may never get paid out. we'll tell you why.

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crime and punishment tonight. the battle over big-ticket reward last month during a manhunt that gripped the nation. rogue excop christopher dorner was on the run in california. now, three people had already been gunned down, authorities were desperate for leads. dorner, fired by the lapd in 2009, had made his intentions clear in a rambling manifesto. you remember all this. he was on a mission of revenge. heavily armed, not only with guns but also years of police and military training. dorner's killing spree ended, of course, in the san bernardino national forest. but only after the trail grew cold and $1 million reward was offered.

tonight, some of the donors who promised to pony up are backing out and it's not clear who, if anyone, will actually get whatever reward remains. more on that in a moment. first, how the end game played out. here's kyung lah. >> 61-year-old, sounded like one shot fired from inside the residence. >> reporter: it wasn't clear just yet, but this would be the beginning of the end for christopher dorner. his reign of terror targeting and terrorizing california police and their families for days on end. >> a burned-out truck near big bear lick about 100 miles east of the los angeles belongs to christopher jordan dorner. >> reporter: day five of dorner on the loose. now police had a solid lead. big bear became ground zero in the hunt. the mayor turned to the citizens of los angeles to help catch a killer. >> leaders from throughout the region, including leaders from businesses and unions, government, law enforcement and community groups, came together to pool resources and protect our core value of public safety.

collectively, this group that by my office is posting a reward of $1 million for information that will lead to mr. dorner's capture. >> reporter: tips came flooding in. as leads were followed up, the hunt moved into day six, and then day seven. and then another major break. not far from dorner's burned-out truck, jim and karen reynolds walked into their apartment and into christopher dorner's hideout. he tied them up. >> once he got us bound, he went out to the bathroom real quick, which is real close, and came back with a couple wash cloths, stuck one in each of our mouths. >> reporter: dorner stole their vehicle. after he escaped, karen reynolds managed to call for help. >> and he left my cell phone right on the coffee table. right there. and i sat down and was able to scoot around and work with it and call 911. >> reporter: moments later, two california fish and wildlife

wardens spotted dorner driving. he crashed his car and fled on foot. escaping again. camp ranger rick heltebrake encountered him. >> i realized it was christopher dorner. and i saw a vehicle crashed in the snow behind him and he came up to the window of my truck and said, i don't want to hurt you, just get out and start walking and take your dog. >> reporter: those shots were from dorner, directed at fish and wildlife officers. dorner sped away, but was forced to abandon the truck. he ran towards a cabin and barricaded himself in. police quickly surrounded it. they finally cornered their target. a local cbs reporter captured the scene when dorner opened fire on san bernardino county sheriff's deputies. >> there are shots fired. four or five shots fired. >> reporter: one deputy was wounded. another killed. >> but a short time later, we see smoke coming from the cabin. later we see heavy fire. >> reporter: then a single shot from inside the cabin.

>> the information that we have right now seems to indicate that the wound that took christopher dorner's life was self-inflicted. >> reporter: a nine-day saga, four lives lost, ends with a single gunshot and one big controversy that isn't settled yet. kyung lah, cnn, los angeles. >> as we said tonight, some of the donors who promised to contribute reward money are having second thoughts. that's because dorner died during the standoff, the reward is moot. in their mind, the terms weren't met, because he wasn't captured or convicted. in the meantime, two claims for the reward have been filed by the couple that were tied up in their apartment by dorner and by the camp ranger whose truck dorner carjacked. they say the calls they made led authorities to the killer. joining me is john miller, correspondent for "cbs this morning" and counterterrorism chief for the los angeles police department. also los angeles city councilman dennis zine. councilman, to those authorities like the riverside police department who say the reward

money will not be paid because the conditions were not met, what do you say? >> i say we're deceiving the public. we can't promise something and then not deliver. and the question is, if we make a promise, make a commitment, let's deliver that. there's a matter of credibility, a matter of integrity, honesty, transparency. in los angeles, we're going to deliver whomever is entitled to that reward. it's being investigated by the robbery homicide of the lapd. when it comes to us, we will deliver what we promised to deliver. >> john, do you think somebody deserves that reward? >> no, i don't think anybody deserves this reward as it was constructed. what you're looking for when you offer a reward of that size is you're looking for the cousin who is going to say i'm going to give up my cousin. you're looking for the guy who helped him hide out who is willing to sell him out. you're looking for the alert citizen who spotted the license plate or saw him in line at the deli. in one case you've got people who walked in and found out he

burglarized their home, held them at gun point and escaped and they called the police. in another case, you have a guy who was carjacked by him and called the police. that's different than the intent of the reward, which was to incentivize someone who knew information because they consorted with them or someone who was an observant citizen to come forward. on the other hand, there is another issue here. and that is the credibility of the reward process. it's not this time. it's the next time they offer a $1 million reward for something, you don't want people out there, whether in the criminal element or public, questioning whether that reward is going to get paid. >> so you're saying essentially while someone may not deserve it, they should probably pay it out? >> anderson, nobody deserves this reward based on that criteria and they should pay it anyway. and the fact is, the chief of detectives of the lapd has a working group with the 30 contributors there. so nobody is going to take that one big hit. it's divided up enough around organizations they should pony up and pay. >> councilman, do you agree, no one deserves it but they should pay it out because of the detrimental effect it might have?

>> there is theory and then there's reality. the theory is, no one was arrested, no one was convicted. the reality is, the apprehension, the death of mr. dorner, took place. and if we don't maintain credibility with the public, then future rewards will be laughed at. and mr. miller, who i know from his time at the lapd, is accurate on that situation. but the reality is, we made a promise, we made a commitment. and every reward that would be published after this, people would question, are you serious or trying to lure us in and walk away? we can't do that. we can't have deception and a lot of people would view this as deception. the city council posted a $100,000 reward, we're committed on that reward. the million dollars came from a variety of public sectors. that's being reviewed. but we are committed to the $100,000 we committed to, because we want to live by the word -- live by the truth and live by the integrity. it's the integrity of the system that's in question when this issue then comes up. >> councilman, do you have of the two claims, one who you think is more deserving, or do

you leave that up to others? >> we're leaving that up to the robbery homicide of the lapd. the robbery homicide section is investigating, they'll go through the process and it will ultimately come to us. we're committed to living up to our concept of honesty, reality and $100,000. >> do you agree with that, leave it up to them? >> i think, you know, there are 30 contributors and the idea they came together to offer it and that some of them now are making independent decisions away from the group is a problem. i think that they should -- they should take the guidance of the lead agency here, which is the lapd. >> john miller, always good to have you on. councilman, appreciate it. thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, big news about ashley judd's possible run for a senate seat in kentucky. made an official announcement today on twitter. we'll tell you about that. also a bus driver's very close call with a utility pole. incredible images. he lived to tell about it. we'll talk about that and tell you how, ahead. stamps.com is the best.

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time now for "the ridiculist." how many times has this happened to you? you go into a public rest room, and think if you can control the alternate universe with your own pee. well, you're in luck. in allentown, pennsylvania, the home of the iron pigs, there is a brand-new video game in the men's room. a streaming video, if you will. >> this is the pee-controlled urinal gaming system, you're a ski-mobiler, and going down the mountain side, and aiming for

penguins. >> that's right, in this game your task is to ski down a penguin-infested hill, using the flow as your controls. >> okay, so this is tv, so i can't exactly demonstrate how this thing works. but we can use a catchup bottle to try. once we fill it up, you just step up and play. >> well played, sir, well played. hang on. people tend to drink beer at baseball games, sometimes lots of it. i'm thinking a ketchup bottle will be the least of their problems if the game gets popular. but i'm still not getting the picture, let's take a look at the commercial made for the game makers. ♪

♪ ♪ so apparently, this technology is already popular in england, but the minor league baseball game is the first to be equipped with a urinal gaming system. players can see how they did on the leader board, and the displays will in realtime in the stadium so the entire crowd can see how good you are at peeing. it's all fun and games, really. >> before you think it is all fun and games, there is an educational component to this, ads reminding men to check their prostates will flash on the screen.