>> it has been a long and lonely struggle and the housing rebound still seems far away. but in this corner of virginia, the battle of the home front goes on. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> hey, that does it for us. erin spsz burnett starts out front. >> the u.s. responds to north korea's threats. we have breaking news on an emergency meeting called. i asked the pentagon press secretary what's next? plus, oscar pistorius is on trial for the murder of his girlfriend. does a decision today though mean he's going to go free? and new information tonight about the relationship between the boy who killed those children in sandy hook and his mother. and what she gave him for his birthday. we asked dr. drew what the shocking revelations mean. let's go "outfront." good evening, everybody. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we have breaking news.

there is an urgent military meeting at the supreme command in pyongyang and ordered rockets to be on stand by for firing at american targets including the american mainland and military bases in the pacific and south korea. this is according to north korean state media which also quotes kim saying, "the time has come to settle accounts with the united states. if the u.s. makes a reckless provication." this latest move is in retaliation to the united states flying two b-2 bombers over korea today. it was a training exercise and a forceful signal to north korea. the stealth bombers are capable of carrying nuclear loads and conventional ones. they flew more than 6500 miles from missouri to south korea. just for the exercise. according to the u.s. forces in korea, the mission "demonstrates the united states' ability to conduct long range precision strikes quickly and at will."

our jim clansy is in seoul, south korea. what can you tell us about kim's threats against the united states? >> reporter: well, let's be clear here. kim is orchestrating all of this. the rhetoric continues to flow like lava from pyongyang. these threats. at the same time, it can be said that the u.s. has ratcheted up the tension here on the peninsula with those flights first by b-52 rz and then by b-2-a-bombers. this sends a message to pyongyang and they don't like the sound of it. therefore, we had this statement and it actually came from general kim cho, vice chief of the general's staff. and he is the one who said we have come to settle accounts with the u.s. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation. but at the same time, it's a conditional. that is if there is a provication, then we're ready to attack in the pacific theater to describing guam, to strike hawaii, to strike the u.s. mainland. and, of course, to strike south

korea. but it's -- as i said, it's conditional on a provication. that is not defined. it can be said that while there is probably no one left alive or very few who remember the b-52 strikes back during the korean war, some of those aging generals that we always see around kim, they, too, remember the carpet bombing that was carried out by b-52 rz. this is a very strong signal from the u.s. that says think again. erin? >> all right. thank you very much, jim, for that tonight live from seoul. "outfront" tonight, pentagon press secretary george little. good to talk to you, george. this week north korea's military put the strategic rockets on combat status. they say they're ready to attack all military bases and they talked of a simmering nuclear war. you know, your boss the defense secretary said today that, you

know, i'll quote him, "we have to be prepared to deal with any eventuality." some say that use of the word eventuality is an admission there could be war. are you preparing for that? >> erin, no one wants there to be war on the korean peninsula. let's make that clear. that being said, north korea engaged recently if a string of prop indications, overheated rhetoric and none of that is helpful to stability on the is that something the united states will be willing to do? >> you won't speculate on what we may or may not do. peace and stability on the korean peninsula is our desire. they can choose the path of peace or they can choose the path of provication. one is better than the other for everyone involved including the north korean military and the

north korean people. >> haven't they already chosen a path of provication? the question is they keep upping the ante and we keep taking it. maybe this is all this country can do. how do you respond to that? >> well, provocative behavior is not new in north korean history. this has been something they've done for decades. so they go through the cycles from time to time. and we have to deal with them. we have to be sober, calm, cool, collected about these periods. that's what we're doing right now. and we are assuring our south korean allies day to day that we stand with them in the face of these provications. >> i guess the question always, is you know, you want to be sober and calm. mistakes can happen. the defense secretary chuck

hagel spoke about the fine line today. here he is. >> you only need to be wrong once. and i don't know what president or what chairman or what secretary of defense wants to be wrong once when it come to nuclear threats. >> how can you assure he won't be wrong on this? >> secretary is absolutely right. there is always the risk of miscalculation. we guarded against miscalculation on the korean peninsula for over 60 years. and the secretary and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, it's their job to insure that our military is prepared to respond to any threat or contingency. we are. we hope to avoid miscalculation. we think we can. the north koreans simly have to dial the temperature down. >> people say there is actually bombing the united states. if they don't get the capability to do that with a nuclear warhead. they do have the capability and some experts have been on this program saying they would if they could create a nuclear dirty bomb and put it in the middle of times square. that is something they would do if they could.

how would the u.s. respond? would that be enough for war? would that be enough for us to respond with nuclear weapons? >> those are obviously very serious scenarios. we're not going to get into hypotheticals. the important thing is stay ahead of the north korean threat, especially from the missile program. they've been testing more missiles and they've been growing their capabilities and we have to stay out ahead. that's why we recently announced a new missile defense policy. we're going to put 14 new ground based interceptors in alaska to address north korean threat. and that's in direct response to what we believe is the trajectory. literally and figuratively, of their missile program. >> all right. thanks to you, george little. still to come, oscar pistorius is still on trial for the murder of his girlfriend. so why do authorities say here is your passport. you can leave the country. you can drink. you can do whatever you want. does this mean he'll be found not guilty. and the new pope spent the

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our second story "outfront." could the blade runner go free? the judge lifted some of restrictions on oscar pistorius. he is the track star accused of killing his girlfriend. he's now free to leave the country. he is free to drink. he is free to go back to the home where he shot steenkamp. "outfront," wendy murphy and ann bremner. wendy, what do you make of this? pistorius could face this judge because it's judges who make the decision on guilt or innocence in south africa, not juries. he could face the judge who says can you drink, travel, go back to your house, whatever you want, is this the same as a not guilty verdict? >> well, if there say message to be had in this decision, i'd

call it a really good signal if i were pistorius or his attorneys. you know, the problem is it's also a signal to the rest of the world. and that's what is so disturbing about this. okay, so they want this guy to go about his business, you know, go to other countries, win races, try to win back some of that glory. i'll tell you, he's highly likely to be booed, wherever he goes. on the entire planet. whether he shows up for a race or for an endorsement or anything. there are people in this country who know the evidence well, despite all the good pr he's getting and paying for, there are people who believe that the truth is something other and that he didn't think it was an intruder and when he shows up anywhere hoping to regain some of that glory, if he gets booed, let me tell you, that country that is letting him go off to do this in the hopes it might restore some of that glory is going to suffer mud on their face time and time again. it will be ugly. >> all right, ann, does this start to look like the court is going to think he's innocent? by the way, i think you disagree

with wendy. do you think that is the right call and not the wrong one? >> well, i do think it looks like he's going to be acquitted. it is going to go to a judge. the fact of the matter is he is presumed innocent right now anyway. the case detective said there is noggin consistent in what he found in the scene with oscar's account of what happened and claimed accidental shooting. a justifiable shooting. >> that's humor. >> yeah, but the other thing -- >> that is comedy, ann. come on. >> wendy this is a guy -- >> that is pure comedy. >> let ann finish. there is a little bit of a delay. >> go ahead, ann. >> i have the disadvantage of the west coast. the other thing is the detective is charged with seven counts of attempted murder while he was on duty. and that's pretty bad when you look at the lead detective and the voracity of this particular case.

the fact is there are all kinds of errors in the investigation that we already know about. he is presumed innocent. it may well be that he is innocent and he should be able to get out and play. he's gone in this case from basically being a hero to a zero. he should be given a chance to get back up again on his feet, get back out there, make money like he does aren't country. he can't make it in his own country. he has to travel and compete. i was just thinking -- >> allowed to make money while he's on trial for murder? >> the fact is he is presumed innocent. and the only thing is he is safe to be at large and will he flee? those are the only things you look at. sure he's going to go on trial for murder. the fact is he may not be guilty of murder. think of that note, that saying now winning takes care of everything. i think we saw that with tiger woods. he may get back up to where he was. it may well be this is an accident and tragedy and he may

be acquitted. >> there is a guilty or innocent verdict. and then there is the minds of the people which is really ultimately what matters. o.j. can testify to that, wendy. >> yeah. it's good to use that example both -- there are things about our heroes that we do give them special treatment. this country is, you know, shouldn't be holding itself up as the bastian of great legal systems. we do indulge the wealthy and powerful. o.j. is a good example when you have a lot of money and you're an athlete and people adore you. the evidence just goes woosh right past the jury, even if it's not a judge. and you walk free. look, ann said let the guy go out and play. are you kidding me? this guy executed a totally innocent woman. execution tile, boom, gun to the head. he's not allowed to go out and play. he can be presumed innocent and restrained so that the country understands that justice is not frivolous. the country of south africa has a huge problem with violence against women, huge. and the message now because he is so famous is we don't really give a damn about women's lives in south africa because even when people just get executed, as long as they're female and the guy is a hero, we let them go out and play. that's your message, ann? i don't believe that. i can't believe you just said that. >> ann, final word. i have to given that. >> thanks so much.

it's a dangerous country. he's had prior burglaries. this is a case where he is presumed innocent. it appears he is innocent. the only reason he's out there over the world press is because of who he is. and so in my mind he's getting far worse treatment by the media, by people, you know, talking on the air and things like that because of who he is. if he was just somebody, somebody on the street that had -- we just had one in seattle. somebody shot a burglar in their house. nothing happened. nothing happened. they thought it was a burglar. it was her husband. nothing happened. >> just read the evidence. read the evidence. >> next time -- >> read the evidence. >> i have read the evidence. i read it all. >> thank you both. we'll see you both soon. well, it is official, kid's meals at restaurants aren't healthy. so the center for science and the public interest looked at

all the meal possibilities can you get for a child at the most well known chain restaurants in the united states. they found 97% of the nearly 3,500 possibilities did not meet the nutritional criteria for 4 to 8-year-olds. shocker. some restaurants had one or two good options, not a single meal at mcdonald's, popeyes or hardees met the standards. they do say they're healthy. that's just when you use the guidelines. you might say, you no he what? they're anti-fast food, anti-mcdonald's. they're biassed. so we checked in to what the national restaurant association, the group that lobbies on behalf of the restaurants is the right number. sure tla would lead to a different result, right? well, that brings me tonight's number. 91%. that's the percent of kids meals that don't make the national restaurant's grade for healthy. ouch. the cspi compared the meals to nra's kids live well program and, yes, 91% of the meals failed. there is nothing happy about that headline. >> our third story out front, the pope's pr push.

we have notice that he went to a juvenile detention center in rome. as you can see him there, he washed and kissed the feet of a dozen inmates. both male and female. and obviously that is important. previous popes have only washed the feet of priests as a way to reenact jesus dressing up as a servant to wash the feet of his disciples. pope francis appears to be different in other ways, too. you may remember he chose to ride in a volkswagen instead of the official vatican limo. he is staying in a guest house instid of moving into the grand papal apartment and he is also choosing a fisherman's ring made of silver rather than a ring made solely of gold. so what difference if any are these moves for real? is this image? "outfront" tonight, a cnn contributor. father, good to see you. >> good to be here. >> this is from his heart of but yet, it is all cataloged on video and certain the vatican likes someone, you know, every news anchor saying that this is a person of such humility. this is benefiting them. >> like a cop to that, they

would be pr if you hadn't been exactly the same in argentina. i mean he didn't live in the palace. he lived in an apartment. he did go to the prisons to wash feet. he didn't do it in the church. so he's consistent with who he was. the vatican pr, as far as i'm concerned is really bad. so if they suddenly stepped it up and able to do it this good, i think you have given him too much credit. i think it's the man -- >> it's the man that they can't control. >> i think that's what it is. the mass is supposed to be in the basilica. this holy thursday mass. >> where he is washing the feet. they printed 4,000 tickets. they gave 2,000 out. then he says by the way, we're not going to do that. i think he's driving them crazy. >> oh, because he's not doing

what they want. >> exactly. that's amazing. what about the significance of washing the feet of men and women? when we talk about all these issues of women's issues with the church, especially in developed countries and things like that. >> well, broke his own norms and rules much the norms say you only wash the feet of men because the disciples, the apostles were men. so he goes and he washes the feet as pope for the first time two women, not only that, one of them muslim and another muslim as part of the group. so interfaith including women. you know, st. francis his patron said "preach the gospel always and when necessary use words." in other words, your actions should be do what get it done. he's doing it by including women and other faiths in one action. this is a smart man who knows what is important, i think, in his ministry as shepherd. >> which fits with francis. he went to build the church and all the kindness he did to those who had nothing. that is a wonderful thing. people say this is wonderful, we also need you to address the

pedophilia, the sex scandal, the corruption, the vatican finances, these very serious issues. will he do that? >> i think. so he's been pope two weeks. you have to give him a break. he's done a lot in two weeks to change the image. >> fair point. >> to change the image. notice the prison he went to was not an adult prison. it was a youth prison. he knelt before youth asking for forgiveness as he watched their feet. it's all symbolism. more specifics will follow. but i think we have to look at what he's done thus far and see it as amazing. >> all right. father beck, thank you very much. >> thank you. "outfront," police with details about reveal more about the relationship between the newtown murderer and his mother. some of the stuff is just shocking. and dr. drew will be with me next. faced with too many patients, one doctor made a deadly and stunning decision. what will mark zuckerberg's tax bill for 2012 be? take a guess. you're wrong. welcome back to the second

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qaeda-linked group. earlier i asked the pentagon press secretary george little whether he is concerned about al qaeda recruiting american military personnel. >> that's always a concern when terrorist networks in that part of the world or elsewhere seek to recruit americans. whether they're in the military or not. >> a nature you have of phoenix served in the army from 2000 to 2003. cnn is crunched the numbers with three california cpas and they estimate, get ready for this one. please sit down. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg's 2012 tax bill will be around $1.1 billion. that's because he exercised a stock option. he purchased 60 million facebook shares. they treat that as ordinary income. he pays a lot of money on it. martin sullivan says that billionaires have tremendous stock portfolios they hold on until they die. because they don't want to pay the bill. but that's a bigger tax bill than some nations annual gross domestic product. california with people like zuckerberg in your grips, it's sad you ever had a budget problem. could barbara walters be

getting ready to retire? after a 50-year career, she's going to call it quits next year. cnn's howard kurtz says that she is such an icon, it is hard to imagine television without her. a source says that wamenters will step down may 2014. she wants to announce it on her own terms. i remember seeing her at a restaurant about a year ago and she looked amazing. it has been 602 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. stocks wrapped up an impressive first quarter today. the s&p 500 at a new high. it hasn't been at this level since 2007. investors are still worried. they're watching cyprus. little cyprus. and now to breaking news. in the aurora shooting case. prosecutors just responded to an offer from the defense team for the accused shooter james holmes to plead guilty to the shootings that killed 12. jim spellman is going through the documents. jim, what have you learned? i know you haven't had a lot of time. what have you learned?

>> reporter: let me set the stage very quickly for you, erin. a couple of weeks ago james holmes was in court and expected to enter a plea. he said i'm not ready. we will not enter a plea. the judge entered a plea for them of not guilty. monday the prosecution in the hearing right behind me here will announce whether they're going for the death penalty or not. so yesterday the defense put out a document saying that we are ready to accept an offer that takes the death penalty off the table. so many of us read that and we thought something's cooking here. we could have an -- we could have a deal in the offing. the prosecution today filed a very nasty, very, very harshly worded document saying we are not in any way ready to accept a

plea. we don't have any of the information we need. and this thing you did yesterday defense by filing this is really nothing more than a publicity stunt. it just blasts them saying not only is it improper, but grossly improper. there's been a gag order through this whole trial. and seriously, the most observed gag order i've ever witnessed in a trial. they say they violated this gag order on purpose by filing this thing yesterday. there is nothing more than a way to generate pretrial publicity. so stay tuned. we'll see what happens monday if they actually show up. if they do say they're going for the death penalty, a lot of things change in the case, erin. it will be much harder at that point for them to do a plea deal. so we'll have to see what happens. i have to tell you, i read hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of documents in this case. this is a different tone than any of the rest of them. almost a personal, nasty tone, erin. >> wow. all right. thank you very much, jim smellman. and now our fourth story out front. insight to a mass killer. connecticut authorities released information about adam lanza. he's the man that killed 26 in newtown, sandy hook elementary school in december. now what they have revealed is that the destruction of the school took less than five minutes. another way of putting it is

this, 26 lives gone in 300 seconds. investigators also shared what they found in lanza home. 16 rounds of ammunition, gun safe in adam's bedroom and a holiday card from lanza's mother nancy that included a check which police say was earmarked to purchase a gun. so what does this tell us about adam lanza and his mother? "outfront" to ni, drew pinsky, the host of dr. drew on call. great to see you. when you look at the state police inventory, samurai swords, there were books from the nra on shooting and then this check to buy a gun. >> yeah, for arms. for guns. yeah. he was studying. when he look at the list of the materials found in that house, the amount of knives that jumped out at me and very bizarre books about how to live with alzheimer's, how to make your brain happy. this is a very disturbed kid. >> so there were books good autism. we never have been able to confirm if he had that. >> he had something like that. not to say that autism patients will become violent. sometimes it's a liability for having empathy. he flips into another state, a psychotic state where he was believing and thinking that normal brains don't. think about this. when you try to understand what happened here, do not try to make sense of it in the way our brains would. he's an in an altered state. just like the aurora shooter. it's a very psychotic state. but again, thinking is the problem when they're in those states.

>> so is there any scenario -- we talked about nancy lanza and people who knew her. they said well she -- he wanted to go into the military. she realized he couldn't. she encouraged this obsession with guns because she wanted to be close to him. >> yeah. >> is there anything that would make it okay for him to have given him a fire arm. i know hindsight says no. >> absolutely not. this is the more serious part of this case. i spent the afternoon looking at nancy. when you get the sense of how she was dealing with this young man, she was in denial about this kid's case. she was taking him to multiple different schools. i can never give up on my kids. please don't touch him. he has strange reaction when you

touch him. he's a great kid. this kid was very disturbed. i suspect we'll find out she probably was given very specific directions about mental health professionals which she did not take, one of which was get the guns out of there. >> wow. let me ask you a question about. that i spoke to some of her friends after the massacre when we were up in newtown and asked about the access to the guns. it looks like as the police said, there was a safe in his room. i asked if she would ever let him have the guns and here's what her friends said. do you think she is the type of person that would have had the guns around the house or locked up? >> absolutely notment she is far too bright for. that. >> we don't want to make nancy another victim here. anyone out there if you're dealing with this, please take direction from the mental health professionals. they know what they're talking

about. you and i talked before the program. i told parents many times, please get a conservativeship over your kids if you can't get them to comply. parents never do that. >> they never do it. >> they're afraid of compromising the relationship. boy, you have to be a parent first with kids. >> let me ask you this question. people have been talking about this. nancy lanza, if she were alive right now, would she be considered a conspirator just because she hadn't taken care -- is this something she could have prevented? >> a very tough question. i don't think anyone would take it to that extreme. it doesn't go there typically when parents are struggling with difficult kids. it really doesn't go there. in fact, it goes to -- here's where it goes, it goes to the doctors and physicians and the doctors are responsible for not having taken more action on these people. >> that's who takes the blame? >> yeah. >> dr. drew, thank you very much. good to see you. tonight on "dr. drew on call," jodi arias surprise drama. a special at 9:00 eastern on hln. lost and found, extreme addition. a georgia woman is getting her hawaii vacation photos back after five years. can you imagine? you go out in the middle of the night on one of the awesome

underwater things. she loses it while scuba diving in maui. she wrote it off as lost. recently the camera washed up. it looks like the b-2 bomber path i showed earlier. this is taiwan. that's where it showed up 5,200 miles away. and now she's preparing for another trip to pick up her camera and meet the man who found it and actually tracked her down. lindsey scowlin is "outfront" with me tonight. who found your camera? >> a man named douglas ching. he found it in taiwan on february 13th which is their chinese new year. they were walk ago long the beach and it washed ashore covered in seaweed and barnicles. he took a look at it and he realized it was a camera. and then he took it home and saw that all the pictures were intact. >> i got to say, by the way, whatever brand of camera you got, i think you're going to get an endorsement deal. i think you're going to be able to make money on that. if they haven't offered, i'm going to be your agent and recommend that. >> i appreciate that. >> this is a message in a bottle. every kid casts it off and wonders if it will ever come ashore.

how did he figure out it was your camera. you didn't have your phone number on it or anything, right? >> no, no phone number, no name. it was simply he reached out after he saw the pictures were from hawaii, he reached out to hawaiian authorities and they got in touch with the media. and channel there called hawaii now and put ott the story saying help us find the owner of this camera. posted some pictures that were on there which you're seeing now. and it went on the web. a friend of mine from high school happened to see it. and contacted me on facebook saying, lindsey, it looks like finally somebody found your camera. here's the link. you might want to look into it. and so i did. and it was my camera. those were my pictures. i was absolutely blown away. all this happened just out of nowhere on sunday morning. >> i mean it is just pretty incredible. that this would -- when you think of all the bad things that happen on this planet, this is a really good story of people

going to all this to find out what happened. were you surprised that someone would go through all of that effort? >> absolutely. >> you have met it guy? >> i'm looking forward to it very much. it's just amazing that a complete stranger on the other side of the world would take such an interest in getting these lost memories back to the owner. and there's not too many people in this world that would take the time to do that or even care about it. >> no, there aren't. it's pretty amazing. and he's not actually going to just send you the camera, you're going to taiwan in june. you're getting a free flight by china airlines they could have just mailed it to you. what's going to happen in taiwan? >> well, they're flying me and a companion out there on early june. round trip, all expenses paid, food, hotel, the works. and they're going to tour me around the country. i'm sure there is going to be a lot of press. i'm going to meet him, his family and the taiwanese government has recently contacted me that they want to invite me to be an official guest of the country and a diplomat here in atlanta is supposed to be contacting me soon. >> that is just -- it's an

incredible story. before we go, do you remember the company that made the camera? >> it is cannon. it was a cannon power shot with an underwater case. >> you know what? i think everybody should buy a cannon powershot underwater case. that memory card went 5,200 miles and five years and that is incredible. thank you so much. have a wonderful time. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> all right. still "outfront," the president says it's shameful that no gun legislation has come to pass. why is that? is he the one to blame? plus, intensive care unit overflowing with patients. a doctor needed more beds. what officials say she did to free up space is horrifying. we have a special report. then fashion advice from richard quest. [ engine revs ] come in.

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we're back tonight with tonight's outer circle. we reach out to our sources around the world. we go to brazil. a doctor is charged with killing seven patients in order to free up beds in the hospital's intensive care unit. i asked our reporter if the death toll could be higher. >> erin, prosecutors think that this death toll could rise. in fact, the chief prosecutor already told brazil's tv globo that he is linked to the doctor to at least 20 deaths and they're investigating a total of 300. he has evidence that she and her medical team actually killed these patients to empty out hospital beds. as outrageous as that sounds. she was the director of the intensive care unit at the evangelical hospital in a southern brazilian city for seven years before arrested in february. and they say they believe that she and her team administered muscle relaxants to terminally ill patients and at the same time reduced the oxygen supply, making it impossible for them to breathe. so it looks like this is really just the beginning of an investigation, erin. >> thank you very much.

and now to england. today men and woim wore hats to raise awareness for brain assumer research. sporting hat is a fashion trend making a comeback. it is always a special part of being british. richard quest gave me a few tips which, believe me, i would need, on the proper way to dawn a hat. >> erin, since it is national wear a hat day in britain, i thought it was best to give you some guidance on the correct way to wear head gear. first of all, always put on from the front. not the back. that way it will sit properly. and it should rest just an inch or so from the eyebrows. then you'll be able to give it that little turn which will give an err of devonair sophistication. hats are back in fashion. you know what they say? wear your hat, here's your

honey. >> i love him. "outfront," our fifth story, missing the moment. so in the days following the newtown shooting, the white house quickly pushed for new gun control measuresment so far though -- nothing has happened. nothing. and today president obama voiced his frustration. >> less than 100 days ago that happened. and the entire country was shocked. the entire country pledged we would do something about it and this time would be different. shame on us if we forgot. i haven't forgotten those kids. shame on us if we forgot. >> the shame on us. but shame also on the president for not making sure something got done right away.

"outfront" tonight, stephanie miller and our contributors. david, let me start with you. the president angry and upset. many in the country share his frustration and anger. he was with the mothers of gun violence victims. he was scolding lawmakers. did the president do everything right here? >> the president was not going to be able by leadership to make things happen. there's a lot of evidence that when the president inserts himself, he polarized his opinion. people who like him rally to what he's doing. but people who don't like him who might not have an opinion about the underlying measure. a gun change will come when we have a citizen's movement that causes -- helps americans to realize the gun in your home is not a source of security, but a source of insecurity. the change happens with the

citizens and it will form into a citizen's movemented, like mother's against drunk driving. >> stephanie, what's happened, in at least the few months since newtown, has been the opposite. 47% support stricter gun laws. that is down 10 points from immediately after newtown. after newtown, the american public was in shock and in anger. something should have happened, and it didn't. the president formed a task force. they talked about recommendations for a few weeks. senate majority leader harry reid introduced a new bill. did they go about this, strategically, the wrong way? >> you know, erin, i don't think so. david, i think that point is just ridiculous. over 90% of the american people agree with the president. 92%? david, you've been in politics. what gets 92%? puppies? flee money? sex with angelino jolee and brad

pitt or both of them, depending on your preference? this is not the president's false. he could not have spoken more forcefully about this. i think the american people, 80 something percent are behind other gun control measures. this is ridiculous that we can't get something done. and i won't keep buying the fact that oh, if the president is full . >> when you ask again, the poll number i just cited, do you favor stricter gun regulations overall? i asked again, why couldn't they have gone ahead and done the things that were popular. do it, do it. do it. now they're sitting here saying the you didn't do. well, the you is them. >> i think that stephanie was misunderstanding part of david's point. when you have a specific measure

like universal background checks, what you saw was there was some republican senators like tom coburn, who is a very strong defender of gun rights saying gosh, maybe we should expand gun background checks. presidents, whether it's bush or obama or anybody else, tend to polarize debates. a number of senators, like diane finestein focus on polarizing in contrast to a measure like universal background checks, which, as you say, are even supported by a majority of nra supporters. a large number of very wealthy, democratic donors saying we really care about background checks. but a handful of red state democrats who still feel vulnerable to pressure from the nra. and that's something that is part of why it's the president symbolically, but it might not necessarily make sense for the democrats as a whole. >> but, david, isn't this a place where purge is required.

the american people clearly take -- let's just take background checks. that's one where almost everybody agrees in this country. and why can't lawmakers get it done? >> they can't get it done, because, to answer stephanie's question, it's probably because it's a low salience issue they haven't thought a lot about. and background -- i think one of the things that is dangerous, is if you do the things people agree about, you're going to miss the question, are we doing things that are going to make any difference. here's my question about background checks. the typical murderer in the united states is not like these mass casualty shootings. it happens between two people that know each other or between spouses or boyfriend, girlfriend. at the moment the person buys the gun, they may be able -- they will certainly be able to pass the background check. the relationship was in takt then. it was only after the gun was purchased that the relationship fell apart. let's think about things that are going to make a difference. >> that's a very fard point. thanks very much to all three of

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