blessed. thank dominic as well. we really appreciate your sharing these thoughts with our viewers. >> you are very welcome. >> that are does it for this edition of 360. >> tonight honoring the victims of newtown. america remembers. has washington already forgotten and has the president's response been too little too late. the father in aurora, does he think the shooter should get the death penalty. how can anyone stand to watch the terrible leg break that shocked america? i talked to charles barkley. the folk singer who is outrageous about gay marriage shocked her fans. what on earth is she thinking? what others fear.

a train track hero who saved his friend's life. >> there have been people there for me when i needed somebody. good evening. this is piers morgan live. americans are remembering the 20 children and six teacher who is died in the newtown massacre. every opening game had a moment of silence for the victims. a moment like this one when the yankees's home opener with the rivals, the boston red sox. >> now at this time let us all stand in a moment of silent prayer as we remember the children and the teachers that lost their lives in this tragedy. >> in a state that was over an hour away, they joined in this remarkable tribute. america is far from a solution to a deadly problem of gun violence. a call from the district

attorney, shot to death over the weekend, the second killing since january and colorado, back in court today. he is charged with multiple counts of murder. they will seek the death penalty. killed in the chaos of the darkened movie theater. welcome to you. what is the reaction to the d a's decision, the man that murdered your son. do you think he should be executed if found guilty? >> i think he should get the mercy he gave everyone in that theater. >> which would be none.

>> that's the way it looks like right now, yes. >> i'm sorry, after you. >> go ahead. that's fine. >> what was your reaction when you heard that holmes was trying to do some kind of deal? did you feel in some way he was trying to cheat natural justice? >> the man is a coward. he shot a 6-year-old girl. nothing he is going to do will surprise me. he is reacting in character. >> has your view of the death penalty changed because of what happened in aurora that day? >> i think in a society that is as violent as ours, we need a lot of different ways to control it and the death penalty is one. quite frankly i would have been

happier if he had the courage to take his own life. >> what will happen now because of his decision? there will be a full trial, probably this time next year. are you and the other families that you know of prepared for that? have you thought through the initial torment with the details that may emerge about what happened. >> i can only speak for myself and my family. i lost my firstborn son. there is not much more he can do to me. especially from a jail cell. you any nearer having any kind of understanding why holmes did what he did? >> i have no interest in understanding him. my interest would be to see him exterminated.

>> what is your view of the gun control debate in america right now? >> i watched the senator on cnn and everybody wants to point fingers at everybody else and talked about filibustering. i am struggling to understand why we can't do something. why we can't look at it and take ownership. the semi automatic weapon and the mental health groups that have no ability to even control it and quite frankly stations like cnn that make these people notorious. somebody needs to take ownership to stop it. we keep pointing fingers and as we point fingers, our children die. should we take these weapons of

war off our streets? of course we should. we also should wipe the faces of these cowards off our television sets. let's have courage. we should unleash the mental health people so they can do what they need. people are dying. it's time to change and time for everybody to have the courage, 1/10 of the courage my son had when he did what he had to do in the theater and stand up and say you know what, i took control of the other pieces. it's time for the senators to stop playing politics. they don't, what we should do is put it to national referendums and let the people decide. they can't figure it out because they are too busy worrying about their next paycheck. >> they have the financial power of the nra to unseat them from their political offices which

happened in the past. what do you say to the politician who is say i would love to vote for this weapons ban and it may cost me my job. >> i say if you have to do your job by lying, you need to get another job. if the american people believe, we should vote for it and decide. i don't think if i was an elected official, my job should be to get reelected. my job should be when i got elected in the first place, that's to represent constituents. there is probably many that believe these weapons of war should be on the street. i would argue they are in the minority. again, if we can't figure it out through the legislative process, give it to the people and let's decide. let's do something. let's do something. let's take care of that. you and your station should do something not making these

people notorious and take the handcuffs off our mental health people. let's do something and stop dog nothing while people die. my son can't come back, but your children are still alive. protect them. >> you made a number of extremely good points there. thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you for having me on. >> i want to bring in my all-star panel. many others have changed their minds. welcome to you all again. we had a heated debate about guns and it's still at the top of the agenda and we had an extraordinary outpouring of tributes and sympathy from all the baseball teams today. a united front and because of the political debate, it's not remotely united.

we had a civilized discussion and when you hear a man like tom speak so eloquently and desperate for something to happen, what do you say to him? >> it's heart breaking. this is one of the things they didn't tell you about parenthood. you see your child and every other child out there. i was live on air when newtown was unfoaling and it was the most difficult broadcast i had to get through. when could be done? what does someone do in a situation like this? in hindsight everyone is an expert. there so many different things from the law enforcement to elected officials. they think something could have been done and red flags that could have been caught. that's where i think we need to focus this. we talked on my program and all of the incidents that happened in the past year with a common

denominator. you have men who are estranged from society and every one of them are on drugs and we have little to no conversation about this at all. certainly i think there needs to be reforms done to the mental health community in that area to address this. we need to start having a brought conversation and we also need to be careful that we don't stigmatize people with mental illness and make it to where people feel there is a hurdle to identify that and seek treatment. we have to have a national discussion. it's time. >> i agree with all of that. when we spoke on the radio show, we found a few points of genuine agreement. the way the debate has to go. it's the nagging sense that people write this openly in the newspapers. nothing significant may happen at all. 26 states at the moment in america are actively seeking to expand gun rights.

not to limit them, but expand them. you are a board member of the nra. do you think in your heart that the correct response of a great nation like america to an appalling atrocity like sandy hook is to race to sell more guns, more ammunition and to expand gun rights? >> first of all the murderer in colorado who killed 12 times should be executed 12 times. you had the conversation about what should happen to the murderer. i think he should be executed at least once. we should ask ourselves what should we do that would help? what should we do is not the question, but what to do to make things better. what we know from science and history and the experience in britain is that when you pass gun restriction laws, crime increases rather than decreases. it happened in australia and the united states. >> i can't let you keep

repeating that without pointing out i would imagine most of you watching this would happily settle for their home burgled over being shot in the head. there is a difference between being robbed and murdered. you have to accept that. america has a shocking rate of gun murder and gun suicide. the other 22 richest countries in the world combined. >> when you compare a state or country and if you pass laws to restrict gun ownership, as they had in colorado, you couldn't have a gun in that theater. that was against the law. when you restrict gun laws, you end up with more crime and more murders, not less. we have 50 states. we can compare when you passed laws to make it easier for honest citizens to carry concealed, crime, murder, where you have more gun laws, the more gun laws you passed restricting rights, the more crime you get.

the more honest citizens have availability of owning guns, the less crime you have. that's true in the united states state by state and true in britain from the law they passed restricting gun laws. more crime rather than less. australia the same thing. >> let me go to marjorie and point out again in australia and britain, the death rate is miniscule. you can bang on about victims of crime, but not victims of gun crime. what we are specializing in is gun crime. let me ask you first of all about the death penalty element. i want to discuss with tom, he felt strongly if the aurora shooter is found guilty, he should be executed.

he wants to be executed 12 times and that's an emotional reaction. marjorie, your mother runs an anti-death penalty coalition. >> she works with a lot of pro life community to focus on the death penalty as a pro life issues of our time. there were important things that happened. the challenges that use of the death penalty doesn't bring that person back. it's natural that all the things he is feeling and the hurt in his heart that eye for an eye instinct and if we look at it from a perspective with faith, what can we do with restorative justice? this is something that the pope is talking about right now. what are we doing in terms of mental health and a lot of times they are victims of similar crimes of abuse. when you look at the fiscal issue of the death penalty and it's not something that is broadly talked about. when it is, the majority of

americans do note support the use. there is a couple of problems. only 10 to 15% of death penalty cases use dna evidence. 90% of people who go on death row have representation. the death penalty is skewed towards minority and poor populations who are convicted. the bigger issue and this is something they should talk about. the fiscal issue. you look at the state of california. since 1978 it cost the state $4 billion to use the death penalty for only 13 people. the average person sits on death row for about 20 years. the challenge with this is that if we eradicated the death penalty in california, we gain $170 million a year. the money for the death penalty is coming out of the education funds. there is a direct line to how we are caring for people by use of education and that direct line

to prison that is happening. we need to think of this from the fiscal issue. is it bringing anything back? it's a proven non-deterrent. >> i want to come to grover after the break on the specific point. this issue of dna testing now in which 18 people on death row have been exonerated by dna. that has to change the debate. we will have that and pop lawyer issues including the white house easter egg roll. why can't we open up the white house to toss. let's discuss after the break. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure,

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it's unimaginable to think what those families were going through. a horrific incident like that and not knowing and going to the school not knowing whether or not your kids are safe. it's something that is just mind-boggling to think about. >> yankees superstar on the newtown tragedy. with me now, dana, here's my issue about the death penalty. i would say over the last 25 years, like many i thought long and hard about this. if i lost a child in some appalling murder like newtown or aurora. maybe i would feel likely like tom felt.

the dna evidence is being used since 1989 has exonerated in 36 different states a total of 305 people post conviction. 18 of those were on death row. they found 147 of those 305 people. 27 was the average age of those who were convicted and later found for the crimes and where do you feel those statistics. does a wrong conviction of somebody and we don't know whether someone success executed. we have to assume some may have been before this. does that not count enough for the desire to execute others?

>> i think if we have the conversation about whether or not the death penalty is a legitimate form of punishment, that's a discussion that can be had, but as far as james holmes and the death penalty as a potential punishment, i go along with him on this. i am hard core when it comes to child killers. they should be subjected to a mother's justice. that's my perspective on this. i may not be the best person to ask that, but we don't need dna testing for him. my perspective and my opinion is that the trial is a formality. we are giving him due process. that being said, i am with grover. i would kill him 12 times. it was heinous and we need to make an example out of people like this. showing them and making an example out of them. if we will have the conversation about gun control, let's hold

hem up as examples. >> about the media and our potential collective culpability in glamorizing these people. it is a side product of covering these stories which are huge, huge national stories. get full coverage on every network and there is a danger that there other disturbed young people who want to be infamous and outdo the last one. >> look, there is a second amendment and it's important too. the press should be free to cover the stories and i think it's helpful if we do so if a way that doesn't glamorize the murderers. other people go hey, that looked interesting. there is very real challenges and folks you work with in the news media industry have got to make decisions there.

the great news about dna report advances are that we can look back at the stakes of government and we ought to recognize, government makes many mistakes. it makes mistakes all the time. we ought not to let it run our health care and the challenges even in criminal justice. the good news is moving forward. it's easier to know for sure if somebody is a murderer or a rapist or the guilty person. our certainty on these issues as we are with the killer in colorado, no question about the guilt of these murderers. that makes it easier to be an advocate of the death penalty and i am glad if it properly exonerated those who are not guilty in the past. it means in the future, we will know for sure when we hang somebody that we are hanging the right guy. >> we are going back to the cost issue.

case and point when it costs $11 million to execute with in prison averaging $200,000, how does that make sense? that's what a lot of americans where they end up turning is on the fiscal issue. you are right. we have to look at history. now the 135th egg roll. the white house remained closed to the viewing public through the talls which i have been exercised about. let me start with you. what do you feel about this? obviously these events here have private money and so on, but when you see the president putting on this kind of big party and refusing to allow the american public to view the white house because of the sequester. people are not buying that, are they?

>> it does look funny, doesn't it? it's a struggle because at the same time there ends up being debates about the importance of celebrating religious holidays and acknowledging our roots that way. the things that you need to do in terms of visibility and improving morale. i agree that it is challenging because it's a question of our cuts consistent going back to cutting the white house tours, that is san ongoing duty that costs $75,000 a week and doesn't pay off in armies of civic responsibilities. if the easter egg roll is a civic responsibility, i leave that to the public. >> the biggest concern to me and this may be down to the sustained pressure from grover. the president shot hoops on his basketball court today and got two out of 22. are you claiming responsibility for the president taking his eye off the ball?

>> i think the sequester is responsible for him not doing as well as he might. the president i think is being silly when he doesn't allow americans to visit the white house. these are volunteer supported efforts. we need to reign in government spending and reduce government spending by reforming government. not by pulling the stunts that make it sound like you are saving money. boehner and the republican leader in the house made it clear that everybody that the president turn away from the white house is invited to america's house. the capital for a tour there. >> going to leave it there. thank you all very much indeed. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we come back, the injury so bad we couldn't look away. what happens now that you would be better off not watching such horrific incidents. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today?

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nothing like i have ever witnessed before in my life in a basketball game. it was terrible to watch and i felt awful for the players and the fans. we had to gather ourselves. we couldn't lose this game for him. we couldn't. >> louisville coach talking about the horrible injury. we are blurring it in the video. the team won and even better news is that he was able to walk away on crutches today. it's what everyone is talking about. cnn's sanjay gupta and sports analyst charles barkley.

horrific to watch, but he had quick surgery and as a remarkably positive surgery. >> very key here. always important here and it's known as an open fracture. you saw people's reaction and there is no tactful way of putting it. the bone protrudes from the skin. not just because of what it looks like, but the risk of infection. he got the type of injury as you know so we don't know exactly what happened in the situation, but we have a situation of someone jumping far horizontally and landed at an awkward angle and caused the fracture. take a look at the extra. this is not his x-ray, but the type of injury that we are talking b. the picture is worth

a thousand words. >> if you turn to charles barkley, what happened? were you, wear of what happened. were you watching in realtime? >> it was interesting. we couldn't see it in realtime, but we saw the next game. we thought the guys collided on the court to be honest with you. we saw them land in the lane, but i want to give a shout out to cbs. i thought they did a fantastic job not showing it. i think we showed it twice and you really couldn't tell, but i have to take my hat off to cbs. nobody wants to see that. i am watching you guys on television and to see their looks on the players's faces on the bench, the first time i had seen the players's reaction on the bench. nobody needs to see that.

>> two questions for you, sanjay. it's obviously a young man. he's 20. a lot of his bones have not fully formed even at 20. they play very, very full on, these young college athletes. is there too much pressure on them? someone pointed out that the court itself was raised slightly higher than where the bench was sitting. could that have affected kevin ware's jumping decision making? should they think about that? >> it's a great question. i think if you had to put into priority the factors that may have caused this injury, certainly he's a big guy. you are putting a lot of weight on those two bones below the knee. the forces are extraordinary. also i would be curious what charles barkley thinks about this, but even minor stress fractures that people blow off,

they are things that weaken the bone as well. if you put a big jump, a big horizontal and vertical jump with the stress fractures, that can play a role. i am not sure about the race, but i did wonder about the weakness of the bone in the first place. >> charles barkley, what do you think of those points. one, the stress fracture and they have had injury that is not serious, and the point about the raised court, would that affect you as a player with that? would you jump in a different way if you knew there was a drop off? >> i think that this thing was a fluke. i think that play was made 100 times a game. we don't know if he had a stress

fracture or weak bone, but that play happened every trip up and down the court where you jump and you don't come down perfectly every time. i would be interested -- we will never know if he had a stress fracture or the leg might have been sore and he didn't tell anybody. i don't think we can say these kids are playing too much. running up and down the court is what basketball is. and jumping. i have been around for 30 years and never have seen it before. it was just a fluke and really unfortunate. >> from all of your experience of other players that you had yourself, what is the best advice for someone like kevin ware who may be playing again within six months as successful as the surgery has been. the psychological trauma with the injury, he is living in a world with the internet.

what is your advice to him? not just physically, but mentally. >> you have to do your rehab. you try to rush and come back. i advise his mom and doctors, you will have to take your time. you have to be stringent with the rehab. you can't rush it at all. i think i would not try to play basketball on a team, i think this thing is going to take at least a year to get strong. also i think this is a time and a teaching moment for all the kids. we all make a lot of money in our business on these kids and this is one of the moments. this is what you have got to get your education.

that's the number one thing you can use the teaching moment from the coaches and the parents. it can go there quickly. >> right. good advice. it was a nice aspect of an awful situation. the game was tied when the injury happened. 50-31 in the second half. wining it for kevin and let's bring kevin home. the team celebrated by bring the trophy to his bed side. it was a pretty special way to end an appalling day for him. charles barclay and sanjay gupta, thanks very much. >> thanks, piers. >> when we come back, the shocking michelle and what she meant with the very controversial comments about homosexuality and same-sex marriage. we want to hear her defense. michael, tell us why you used priceline express deals

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the indy folksinger is in a habit of shocking her fans and canceled comments after she made remarks about homosexuality. she told her side of the story for the first time in her first national interview. welcome to you. >> thanks. >> explain what happened. just play a bit of bit of audio.

this was an exchange with the audience. the that got the tension was this. >> i was in a prayer meeting yesterday. we have to appreciate how scared folks on that side of the equation are. from there, it's mine too. we are at nearly the end of time. from our vantage point, we are going to be and i think once prop 8 gets instated and once preachers are held at gun point and forced to marry the homosexuals, i am sure that will be the signal for them to come

back. you wanted reality. >> i listened to about 20 minutes of what went on on the internet. what was clear is although some of the audience were laughing then, that mood change and they became angry with what you were saying as you elaborated. you said you wanted to tweet that god hates and used the word for gays. please do so. the mystifying question for many of your fans and what people read about your story, why would you say these things. >> i admit i made a mistake and i had a chance to do it again, i wouldn't take the audience up on their choice. i framed this truth and came back out for an encore and requested reality. what has consequently taken

place since then is a manifestation of how little i think of reality. i know it's a stalking trade to present things like that, but i don't think the audience is ready for the consequences of that and i surely have not been happy with that. >> it has been devastating to your career. huh concerts cancel and a turbulent time for you. what of your fans are saying and you don't really understand why you would want to put comments like that in the public, not the least of which you came out as bisexual yourself. they have no comprehension that you would be homophobic. have you become homophobic? >> over 10 or 12 years, i enjoyed such a degree of independence and freedom, i do whatever i want. i have manages me what to do and this is not the orthodox one where i say there is only two things you don't discuss in polite company. one is politics and the other is

religion. i talk about both. the clip we listened to sounds serious-minded, but it was at the start of the encore and -- >> you lost the audience. >> not then, but later on, yeah. >> most walked out and wanted their money back and so on. i repeat the question. are you basically when you said what you said, it sounds on the face of it to be pretty obvious and clear homophobia. are you homophobic? >> on the surface it sounds bad. it's not a point worth making, but the show is supposed to be live and not recorded. >> what are difference did that make? >> i don't have time to go into it now, when you read the transcript, i can do a couple of things to show you. >> let's try to keep it simple. you were born a mormon and converted to be a born again christian. many christians have views about

gays and about gay marriage and other issues. are you somebody that objects to a gay lifestyle and to gay marriage? >> if the question is asked to make things simple for the audience and i believe it is, i will make it simpler. i am so deeply in love with a man that the idea of living my life without him is impossible. i know how much i love him and knowing that passion they have for him, would i ever want to deny that to anyone else, absolutely not. >> you are not homophobic? >> if you want to keep it simple for the audience, i will give you a straight no, i am not homophobic. the truth does not lie in the simplicity. that's in the nuance. that has been lost. >> let me play along with what you are saying is that you didn't mean it to come over the way it does although it seems clear to me.

where was the ambiguity and the point you were trying to make? >> i think knowing your dedication to focusing on gun roll, for example. the line that preachers are held at gunpoint and what could i have meant? prop 8 is -- prop 8 already stands. i didn't know what i was talking about. clearly. >> why didn't you know what you were talking about? >> the nature of spontaneous improvisation, i had done it as truth and the audience requested reality. i was given the whole distortion of truth they consider reality to be. that's where all these conclusions are. >> members of the gay community are outraged. are you sorry? >> i am so because what's being questioned is my support for that community. it may be calculated and simple

that i would disavow them at this stage, but i need to tell them sincerely and directly in no way that i don't disavow the lgbt community and my faith. >> do you have a problem with gay marriage? >> do you support it? >> i do. >> do you support full gay rights? >> i do. you sorry you said what you said. people should be relieved to say that. >> if i may, the point is worth making that there is an empathy thaw need to what i hold my position. i was identified as a lesbian, as bisexual early in my career, but the way that came about was such that i held my peace. i didn't try because i didn't feel like it was anything to defend.

i'm not a gay. but to say that the manager that first presented me to the world made a pass at me. and when i spurned his approach, that was all the -- that was all the encouragement that he needed to then market me as a lesbian. >> well, he obviously found it was true he made a mistake then and then you made a mistake on the 17th of march in san francisco. i think we probably agree on that. and i wish you well in making a recovery. >> now, you offered that my efforts, my current efforts, aren't going to be swept under the carpet. so i'd like to take you up on that offer. >> what do you mean. >> i mean i've been diligently working for the last five years on a project that i have not managed to convince you -- >> well, you've annalsed those questions. >> do you feel to your satisfaction? >> well, you've answered them

very clearly and people can makes their own minds up. >> in the court of public opinion, i just want to say -- >> michelle, i put the questions to you. you've answered them emphatically and i will take them to your word. >> the ivy tree has some strange fruit that adam wouldn't try. >> i agree with you. michelle, nice to see you. when we come back, the kind of story you don't hear often enough. a true good samaritan tells me an extraordinary story of why he jumped to save that man. quite extraordinary bravery. that's after the break.

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>> piers, it was very instinctive. you know, who am i to assign value to someone's life, you know, comparatively. you know, if that was my mother, of course i would have saved her. but how can i assign value? every human being has a right to be saved or given another chance. but, like you said, i think the bigger point here is the people that did not act because it really seems like, you know, the moral compass of this country has declined over the years. i am a fast thinker, so it's not like i just, you know, was jumping into a river with an alligator. i knew the risks. and i was able to weigh them quickly. and i just knew his first reaction would be to want to move. and i could tell he was injured

badly and he needed to be stabilized. >> well, it was an extraordinary thing, christopher. i wanted to get you on just to thank you, like i said, every time i watch that video, it gets more extraordinary. another train could have come along any moment and killed you. you risked your life to save a complete stranger's life. for that, we're all incredibly grateful. thank you very much for coming only. >> sure. >> and we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] at his current pace, bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire.

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