tonight, you know the news. now, it's time to get to the point with cnn's margaret hoover. >> i spent four years working in washington in government service including two years in the white house. i wrote a national best-selling book how to save the republican party. >> donnie deutsche. >> i'm the author of two books. "often wrong and never in doubt" and "the big idea." >> i'm an espn columnist, essayist and author. i'm covering the world of sports more than 30 years. life is just like sports with less padding. >> jason taylor. >> i played professional football for 15 years for the miami dolphins and the washington redskins and the new york jets. i also majored in political science and criminal justice.

>> and kayleigh mcenany. >> i'm founder and editor in chief of real reagan conservatives. i want to empower americans to have a voice. >> let's "get to the point." hey, everyone. welcome to "the point." we will be here all week at this time. you already know today's headlines, so now we're going to get to the point of each story and now we're going to start with two people that everyone is talking about. hillary clinton and jay leno. first, hillary. she gave a speech tonight at the kennedy center for a major charity, vital voices. a first paid speech out of office at the end of april. certainly for six figures. what is she doing? is this her precursor running for office, donnie? >> absolutely. as well she should be and i think the great advantage she has and the point to make is since she stepped down as secretary of state, she now is in the winner's circle.

there's nothing bad to happen to her. she brilliantly went out on top, nobody more prepared as secretary of state, eight years in the white house, than this woman. she will be our next president. >> she just fainted. >> no, no. my point is she's not secretary of state. she went out. all she can do now is give speeches and wonderful things. her brand right now is where it is. >> if she runs for president, decidedly, the approval ratings, they're 68% right now. >> yeah, yeah. 67%. she's the most popular presidential candidate since george washington. i mean, this woman seems to have it in the bag but, donny, i want to challenge you and say this is the curse of heightened expectations. she can only go down from here. everyone's talking about president hillary clinton as if it's a foregone conclusion but it is not and faltering a bit she goes down tremendously. far from a foregone conclusion. >> 2016, 69 years old. romney was 65 and lost. mccain 70 and lost. personally, i think she should

do what bill clinton does. work from the outside. i don't think she should run for president. i think that, yeah, she's the front-runner and you know how it erodes. why not try to change things from the outside? the way clinton works with george bush senior, how about she works with sarah palin? >> clintons ever work from the outside? >> clinton initiative is working. made a huge difference in the world. >> i really do agree with donny. she is at the height of the popularity right now. approval ratings were high for her. take a little break. she will be back. i'm not sure and ready to crown her as the next president yet but a very, very good candidate. all health issues aside, interesting how chelsea and bill talked about how healthy she is and good she is doing. the age is against her. you hate to say it but age is kind of against her. take a little break. short-term retirement and right back in to it. >> one of the things we know is true. everybody, she deserves

some time out of the spotlight and time to just be in the private life. but there are a slew of women, i mean, the 18 million cracks in the ceiling, all the second wave feminists who feel like her nomination to be president is going to be the crowning moment of their lives. and that there is just this -- you get a sense of a tidal wave in that direction an going with or without her. >> it's an interesting point. women used to -- a lot of them not feel good about hillary clinton. we have seen her morph her brand because when she first came on the scene we did not -- a lot of women resented her power and watched this evolution and women have changed dramatically. she was incredibly polarizing and the appeal to men and women is appealing. >> how can we talk about hillary clinton without mentioning benghazi? will that sink her? i think it will. there's a lot of questions to be asked, a lot of things unanswered. americans died and she was overseeing at the time. that's her -- the buck stops with her. >> that's misplaced. if i'm running the democratic

party, i get someone to speak spanish or learning it right now. that's going to be crucial in 2016. we saw it in the last election and the republicans have someone to be great with the hispanic in rubio. >> that's -- yes. absolutely. >> i think she's -- she is ahead of everybody. jeb bush. up by 50 points in iowa. up by 30. 39 points in iowa. 50 in new hampshire. i think her brand is impenetrable. >> that's two years away. >> she is not in office. >> here we go. we have it on the screen. clinton 52. rubio 41 for florida voters. of course clinton 47, christie 42. that's new jersey voters. of course, this is four years out. we are jumping the horse race a little bit early, folks. you're only impenetrable until you get in the race. >> i would give you -- >> i mean the whole presidency. >> whole presidency? 2 to 1 in a heartbeat. >> wow. >> you are jaded. jaded. >> you -- she is so cemented and i just -- it's there.

and by the way, bill clinton -- >> now. >> bill clinton will be her running mate. think about that. no, i don't mean vice president. >> now all sorts of issues. >> he is so revered. he is the most popular like president -- most popular politician by so far right now. the clintons with america's royalty. >> done any is in love over here. >> i don't mean running but -- >> speaking of people who maybe are hanging on too long, maybe they should retire, hillary, jay leno. if you saw this thing last night on jimmy fallon's show -- >> bring the -- brilliant. >> it was beautiful. >> it feels brilliant. let's run it and then talk about it. ♪ tonight tonight ♪ who's going to host tonight ♪ is it going to be jimmy or jay ♪ ♪ tonight tonight ♪ where will they take tonight ♪ in new york ♪ will it stay in l.a. ♪ tonight tonight

♪ my ratings were all right ♪ 20 years and i'm still in first place ♪ >> how great is that? >> well done. >> the question is. it's clearly great pr but better for leno or fallon? there's this rumor in 2014 fallon will take over, keep it in new york. but now, you know, leno sort of fighting against it. beautiful pr. who does it help? >> helps them both. >> both. >> particularly leno because what it says about this guy, talk about a guy that recreates himself and ending up on top, still top of the ratings. saying i'm not threatened by this and i can have fun with it and also brilliant for fallon and doesn't make like he's pushing it. this is a brilliant move to turn upside down a potentially pr disaster and have fun with it.

kudos, kudos, kudos. >> and then helps nbc but now it's time for nbc to help themselves and remain loyal to leno. leno had a seven-week high. beating letterman and kimmel. he will succeed. he will come out on top in this. i think it's time to show loyalty. give him the benefit of the doubt. keep him in there. i have a special place in my heart for leno. he takes jabs at the right as well as the left. so i have a special place in my heart for him and time nbc show some loyalty. >> you know that jimmy thing with the thank you notes thing? he ought to do one of these things, thank you, jay leno, for finally being friendly about it. he wasn't with letterman. he wasn't with conan. and i would be careful if i'm jimmy. this is a nice touch on their part. jay leno usually wins these. he's a friend of mine. he is a workaholic. he's at the comedy store every sunday night. five days a week and does that. he doesn't want to quit. >> that's awesome. >> i want to ask you a loyalty question. i want to come back to you. you have kimmel on and really an up and comer. he's starting to move the

younger demo. if they make the move, it's talking about the future. there's nobody -- by the way, you have seen it, jason. sometimes there's a starting star quarterback that they don't re-sign. peyton manning. this is the example of peyton manning. >> defensive end. >> happened to me, too, yeah. >> imagine that. happens to all of us. >> it's all nice and good and i love leno, also. but sometimes you kind of make the move on the star quarterback because you're betting on the next ten years. >> you are. we saw this with peyton manning in indianapolis when andrew luck came in. first of all, a brilliant move by nbc and leno and fallon to do this together. this thing was getting nasty. taking shots at nbc execs. good for the time being. this is a band-aid and a chance for them to really kind of smooth it over a little bit and make the transition a little better. look, let's face it, in a year's time, year and a half's time, they'll make a change. leno will have to move out. that's just the way it is. you have to -- i love the self

dep prey case in the video with jay leno laughing at himself. it's hard not to take it personally. it is. there's a point to become a backup and i know there's no real backup in this late-night television but it's hard to swallow but you made enough money. you go out on top and find something else to do. >> a, those voices enhanced on both of them. b, leno started his monolog monday night saying, hey, i've come to a great agreement with flk. nbc. we'll get along for years. jimmy, this and that. by the way, april fool's. this isn't a done deal. >> i think, donny, you are spot on. don't bet against the old guy. i'm a huge indianapolis colts fan. i love, love, love peyton manning and that should be an instructive story. don't bet against the old guy. give him a shot. >> should have kept manning? >> yeah. they should have. >> 14 straight years. >> a tough predicament. i have a peyton manning fathead in my apartment.

>> still? >> yeah, still. i'm a colts fan. >> final pr lesson. alec baldwin this. when in trouble, make fun of yourself and come out on top. the opposite of laughing. guys, been a few years since the ft. hood tragedy and discussion, pentagon is not giving the victims purple hearts, which i am stunned and i think it brings up the question to talk about next, is, what's a hero. when we come back, we'll get right to that. [ female announcer ] when a woman wears a pad she can't always move the way she wants.

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welcome back to "the point." i'm going to need help getting my arms around this one. i can't see two sides of the story. horrible tragedy number of years ago, ft. hood. so many people died.

the pentagon is saying they do not want to award purple hearts to the victims because they're saying somehow it gets in the way of the investigate investigation of major hassan. margaret, to me, anyone that loses their life there or home is a hero. >> the controversy here and we'll get to the point. whether you award purple hearts in the battlefield. was the incident an incident of a man madman who shot up his peers or a man perpetrator of radical islamist violence and therefore his former comrades lost their lives in the badle on the war on terror. the major was in touch with al qaeda. this was an incident of terrorism and -- >> of course it was. >> the pentagon refused to acknowledge that this was an incident in the sort of larger global war on terror. >> there's a reason.

if they label him a terrorist giving the very deserving people purple hearts and the families of the people who died purple hearts then that makes the defense say, oh, you've labeled him a terrorist. he's got no chance for a fair trial. let's throw it out. please, just wait. it starts may 29th. >> a military tribunal so the viewers understand. a military tribunal. the truth is what you do in the field of battle, if someone is a perpetrator of islamist violence, they don't get a fair trial. they're no longer entitled to a fair tropical. >> but u.s. soil and complicated. they'll get the purple hearts. >> there's a counter point. after 9/11, the people who died in the pentagon got a purple heart and that did not have an effect on the trial. so i think that's not necessarily a great argument for this. for denying our heroes what they deserve, the purple hearts and, you know, to another point, donny, your liberal president is the one who started this all by accusing -- >> i didn't know i was responsible for putting him in office.

>> yes, you are. >> he didn't want a terrorist attack and called it workplace violence. everyone knows this was terrorism, everyone. >> he's trying to get the guy convicted. do you want him convicted over the people to get the purple hearts two years early? >> will klm -- >> i'm talking about this trial. >> it's the same situation. >> why can't we just wait and do the purple hearts after the trial? these people deserve -- >> do we know that will happen? >> i don't know that will happen. i'm just throwing it out there. they absolutely deserve a purple heart. >> absolutely. >> a shame to go through this jargon to get -- we can't charge him as a terrorist because you can't get a fair trial. he doesn't deserve a fair trial at this point. i understand that. but -- >> he's an american. he gets a fair trial. >> he's labeled as a terrorist, which we all know the terrorist act, then the rules change. >> you're just throwing out the constitution? >> no. >> it's not the constitution. it's a military tribunal. >> he still lives in this country. >> i understand. but things happen in this

country, too, that could be terrorism and which it was. my whole point is, can we wait until the trial is over to give them what they truly deserve? >> aren't we putting the interests of hasan above the interests of our brave men and women? >> no. the interest of convicted hassan. >> the initial question of a hero. another network where one of the commentators got in trouble. anyone that puts on a uniform is a hero. i was in the car with a guy and he was telling me about the sons. one was a special-ops guy. we talk in the abstract about these people. they are putting on uniforms, dedicating their life and as far as i'm concerned every one is a hero. >> how about -- you need to give a purple heart to a guy that's operates drones? >> you know what? >> as far as i'm concerned, you sign up for the military as opposed to being tv people like us or bankers, you get a medal as far as i'm concerned. period. >> is he a hero? >> giving the life for his country. >> will you work with me and

bring the two sides together and have a protest in front of the white house and get this done? can we we do that? >> this weekend. >> 500. me and donny. >> i have to see this. >> we absolutely throw the word hero around too easily. particularly with sports figures and others. people that if you sign up on the dotted line to defend this country, behind closed doors or overseas or anywhere around the world, they are 100% heroes to me and need to be recognized accordingly. now, another trial that's about to begin is the michael jackson trial. the wrongful death suit started today. jury selection will begin today. michael jackson's mother is suing aeg, the company responsible for michael's final tour "this is it" for $40 million. she claims that's what he would have earned if he didn't die in 2009. >> 40 billion. >> did i say 40 million? i'm sorry. 40 billion with a "b." >> she's saying it's aeg's fault he died? >> yes. even though conrad murray is serving time in prison for

involuntarily manslaughter. my question is, who is to blame for michael jackson's death? >> michael jackson is to blame! >> it's interesting about this. he was using conrad murray before he ever signed for this deal. >> exactly. >> the reason he picked conrad murray is he was easy with the prescriptions. dolled it out. that's why he picked him out. it's not aeg's fault, it's michael's fault. >> he was a victim of his own addiction and clearly see many people that miss michael jackson and sort of hold him up want him to be a victim of somebody else but he was a victim of his own addictions and choices. >> i'll ask you a question. i want to say if it goes to trial, what the defense is going to do, what the prosecutors are going to do, they'll bring up the old molestation accusations because that's when according to michael's people he started using drugs. do you think that's fair game? >> no. the mother's discrediting his legacy by doing that. i personally have a soft spot in my heart for michael jackson. who doesn't? by doing this and dredging up the history --

>> i say it sickens me. it sickens me. they have sucked the money out of this kid from cradle to past the grave. >> yes. >> he is in the grave now. they're his worth about $600 million after debt. that's not enough? now we drag all of this -- can you imagine if the guy -- if there is an afterlife, thanks a lot, mom. >> yeah. so true. >> am i the only one -- you know, his music is great but i think sometimes we too easily sweep under, oh, those -- i mean, according to so many people he wasn't obviously convicted of it but there were so many inappropriate things with children and just because -- >> not unless he did it. >> that's the most heinous of all things. to me, it tarnishes everything. i'm sorry. i just does. >> kill the guy after he died? >> wasn't convicted. >> so many people close with him who swear that he, you know, everything was appropriate. they just had a meaningful relationship with him. >> and guys -- >> look.

everybody's legacy is fair game for exploration but i do think that it should be viewed separately from this court trial which is apparently in jury selection today. >> open up his life. it won't be. >> give him some peace. >> denied a childhood an ensee that in the adulthood and i'm not convinced he did it. give him the benefit of the doubt. >> but to the point, i think we agree the person to blame for michael jackson's death is number one michael jackson. >> of course. >> conrad murray's doing time for it and trying to blame aeg now and the factors but at the end of the day michael jackson was addicted to a plethora of drugs that he had no business taking and in the quantities he was taking and i think he was his number one worst enemy. >> yeah. >> and then if his mother's arguing that aeg hired conrad murray and michael jackson got to pick a doctor for aeg to -- it's a mess. michael jackson -- >> she should be on trial because the only way he got -- thought anybody was loving him is when he was performing and thanks to her and -- >> guess who else is going on trial.

guess who else is going on trial? >> who? >> a bunch of teachers in atlanta. have you heard about this? we'll talk about this when we get back. are we a nation of cheaters? we have a bunch of atlanta teachers who have to answer that question. upside down. >> hi. >> hi. you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge card account with us. >> you just read my mind. >> announcer: just one little piece of information and they can open bogus accounts, stealing your credit, your money and ruining your reputation. that's why you need lifelock to relentlessly protect what matters most... [beeping...] helping stop crooks before your identity is attacked. and now you can have the most comprehensive identity theft protection available today... lifelock ultimate. so for protection you just can't get anywhere else, get lifelock ultimate. >> i didn't know how serious identity theft was until i lost my credit and eventually i lost my home. >> announcer: credit monitoring is not enough, because it tells you after the fact, sometimes

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all right. here we are. we're back again and this one is extraordinary story. we have 35 educators in atlanta who are being convicted or tried for cheating on tests. one of them was in 2009 named the national superintendent of the year. she received a national award for her ability to educate children and turns out it was

all a scam. they were all cheating on their tests. changing the scores to demonstrate that they were actually very effective teachers. >> standardized tests that the government, the state makes you teach kids and have kids take. or else you don't get funding. you have to go up every year or you don't get funding so even if your school hit 96% last year, you have to show 97% or the federal government takes over your school. >> that's because of one of the initiatives president bush put in place called no children left behind, and many people on the left are saying this would never have happened if it never happened because you wouldn't be forced to test and therefore you wouldn't have teachers cheating on the test. >> there needs to be accountability with teachers. in order to have accountability with teachers, there needs to be some sort of not just quantitative, qualitative accountability. this is a horrible, i think very narrow example of what's happening. it would be a shame to take out

accountability, to take out quantifying accountability because there are a bunch of disgusting idiots and that's what these are. i really believe, my mom's a teacher, 99% of teachers like 99% of all people are honest and this is the very best system in a very imperfect world. >> do i hear donny advocate a right-wing policy over there? >> shh, he doesn't know it. >> i've been morphing. >> i like it. we have to get to the lowest common denominator and the teacher's union who protects them and don't deserve it. we're not rewarding the good teachers because the unions protect the teachers doing a horrific job. that to me is the root of the problem. jason, what do you think? >> so many teachers involved. 178 teachers involved in the scandal. if you look at it, beverly hall, the former superintendent, received $500,000 in bonuses based on what those schools are doing. not only did that happen, she fired 90% of the principals in that school district so it's -- they had -- >> pizza parties.

>> yes. they had pizza parties to correct the scores. what i'm saying is with that many bad teachers or principals or a bad superintendent, i think that's -- it's too many bad apples. it's a bad system in total that -- >> this was brought up. >> -- that it then breeds or grows the bad apples. hold on. i like to think that teachers are better spirited than that, have better intentions than that but the pressure is so high. >> if you made me chancellor of teachers in the u.s., and said, donny, fix it, i'm dumb in a lot of things but i'm a pretty good business guy. i would say, we've got to give scores. i don't want what the other answer is. >> i want to elevate it -- >> sausage grinder. this is what we decide is progress and what isn't? >> the reality is there's no system that's perfect, and somehow you have to grade these teachers. and if you're going to grade them and reward them

accordingly, they're going to be people like in all businesses that cheat and steal. which leads to a bigger question. do you think everybody in some form or another cheats? >> yes. >> no. >> has everybody at this table cheated on something? >> no. >> i haven't. >> i don't know there's a -- >> no, no. i had clip-in extensions. i cheated. >> the men -- >> teeth whitened? >> yes. yesterday. >> can i finish? the three men at the table all raised their hands and said we cheat. we have -- >> men are cheaters. that's the take away. >> women an i wonder if it's a different code because men are programmed so much earlier to go at any cost. win at any cost and women studies have shown are more collaborative. i'm getting -- >> a representative sample size. me and margaret here. >> leaving identity tn margin here. >> i'm not proud of it but i think everybody in life has cheated at some point. >> these two haven't. >> i haven't. >> from birth? >> on a test? >> no. >> fake eyelashes? >> what? >> it's a level of cheating.

>> breaking the law, what is cheating? so broadly define cheating. makeup on television? you are a cheater! >> i didn't say i'm a cheater. have you ever cheated at anything? i cover sports. lance armstrong won seven tour de frances. >> you are jaded by lance armstrong. >> harvard. they had a huge cheating scandal. we are a nation of cheaters. >> sports, whether it's -- this story we're talking about here. insider trading in business. there's a lot of segments in the society that there's cheating involved. i'm -- i'm happy to be between two angels. never cheated in life. i'm in good company. >> speaking of cheating, you know, a lot of parents and kids upset, crying give them the ipad to get a break. >> totally cheating. >> i don't know if it's cheating. >> cheating as a parent then. >> but -- >> i'm guilty then. >> some experts say this is a bad thing for kids. some say it educates them if you're giving these kids ipads with educational programs on it.

you have kids. are ipads bad for our kids? >> and you have -- do the whole stats. how many people in the family and how many ipads? >> three children, two adults. we have five ipads. >> how old are the kids? >> 10-year-old son, 8-year-old son and 7-year-old daughter. >> double fisting the ipads. >> my oldest son is 10 years old, in fourth grade. next year in fifth grade, their school gives them ipads so they can curriculum is on an ipad. >> toddlers. >> that's the thing. >> my kids, my daughter had a -- used an ipad when she was 3 or 4 years old and it's a tool that can be used in a lot of different ways. putting a kid in front of a television or an ipad and that's the babysitting, shame on you. >> i see it all the time. >> some for entertainment, some educational purposes. it's all in how you implement the tool. ipads aren't bad, it's the people that use them, how you use them. >> a question for maybe donny. you know, a lot of this is so

new. ipads are so new and years to do a study with children to see how it affects them. is this something to find out years from now? >> this is a real personal pet peeve of mine. nothing against people more than going to a restaurant and everybody like this. i'm concerned that the development of creativity in young people today is getting still theed and it's also affecting parents' relationships. my 5-year-old just started playing with one of these. it's affected -- like, her head is down and i have to take it away from her and no kids today have any time alone with their thoughts, no kids today have any time with -- and there's a dark underbelly of technology and i think we're not going to know for 10, 20 years. let me finish the thought that we are stilting a lot of creativity with this technology dependence. i just as a person, as a dad get worried. >> i see kids that withdrawal and the parents yelling at them and rather deal with angry birds than angry moms. >> do you think it's the

parents' fault? >> think it's the parent's fault? >> it is. take it away. should be like candy. have a little but not a lot. these kids, now that it's a disorder. did you see they think it's a disorder and they're starting to medicate for this. concentrate for two hours on grand theft auto and not two minutes on the homework and medicate for that. >> bernard center for toddler development did a month long study on this and took away the ipads, their skills went up in the month they didn't have the ipads to focus on and they could focus and imaginative on the building blocks. we know it intuitively. i guess the question is, like jason's saying, how do you implement the tool? you can also, they found, use the ipad in a way that's interactive, highly verbal working with the toddler on whatever sort of pedagogic way you use the ipad. you can do it. >> it is a constant battle and three young kids, it is a constant battle we deal with. you have to do your homework first. we use the computer as a tool,

as well. games on the computer occasionally. before they do anything, they have to finish the rosetta stone which is a computer program. all in how you implement it. >> how do you think the show's going? >> great. >> stellar. >> how would it be if we could swear and we were nude? >> 100 times better. >> sign me up. sign me up. >> the ratings? >> cc is relaxing -- about to relax the prime time rules for nudity, for swearing and maybe we'll try it when we come back. this is -- that is lovely. this is -- >> you two are -- >> this is real, though. the fcc about to relax the prime bengay zero degrees. freeze and move on.

thasz lofl sthas lovely. >> this is real, though. the fcc about to relax the prime time -- you remember how bono said the "f" word and cher twice? they'll say that isolated incidents of swearing are okay. not repeated like howard stern and some nudity. the question is, are you ready for more sex and violence? than you already have in your life, tony? >> i'm actually -- you're watching a morph in to a republican in front of you eyes. my feeling is this. i'm not puritanical. why do we have to push it along? there's enough stations and outlets throughout to listen to swear words or see nudity, why do we have to push it on a general stations for younger people? and by the way, i'm the farthest guy -- you're looking at me. >> no, no, no.

>> what's the upside of this. >> let me hear you in the breaks. >> what the the upside of loosening this? >> got to be some safe space for children to not worry about what their child is going to see, what's going to influence their child. there has to be places and i have -- my husband makes me watch the 1940s black and white movies at home. i have to tell you. look. the plot lines were creative. way more innovative and a suggestion and not the graphic nudity in your face. you don't need that for good programming. >> there's something to be said but not everywhere. >> not on prime time. >> why isn't rick nude yet? >> that's the big point. >> a good reason why. >> it's a big reason. >> in all seriousness, you know, this is -- television used to be about family. we remember "the cosby show

oifrmt." that was television. not just anti-family. it's hostile to my values and a conservative christian. hostile. my kids, you know, i imagine five years from now when i have kids, they won't be able to watch. >> "the office" is hostile? >> no. "family guy." it's hostile. >> turn it off. >> the answer is this. everybody should have their options. if you like crazy stuff. so my point is, you want to watch -- don't take the other stuff away but give areas where it's safe space. >> broadcast television. >> yes. >> i don't want to see donald trump nude, i don't. >> i don't mean to to think about that. >> i'm almost afraid to see where we go if we relax the laws. to me, if you turn on television already, some of the things being said and shown on television -- >> go to europe. >> comes down to -- we are not in europe. comes down to parents being parents and parents have to parent and understand what they want their kids to watch and not watch but the broadcast networks have a responsibility to inform and prepare the audience for what's coming up. i know they put the snippets up

for three seconds and say may contain graphic nudity. whatever it is. we have to do a better job as a network of alerting people and informing them of what the show really is because there's plenty of times i'm watching television with my kids or younger people and something will come up and you try to hurry up and cover their eyes. you try to turn their heads, it's too late. >> movie ratings, as well. some of these ratings pg-13 and graphic violence. >> afraid to take your kid. >> every christian kid you're worried about, they have seen porn on the tv? >> does it make it right? is the status quo an excuse not to make a change? status quo is not an excuse to make a better world to work toward. >> you want to go more -- >> i want to get back to "the cosby days and jason and margaret are right. out of the status quo.

the status quo is not right. we have people like you say, it's not going to happen. >> you're the reason. >> it's donny. >> no, no, no. the interesting thing is that my whole point is there should be freedom and spaces where you're not -- don't prescribe it's all cosby either. you are on the other side of the argument. >> is broadcast television cosby right now? >> no. >> far from it. >> bet back to "cosby." i'm saying we're in such a segmented world with 500 channels, enough for everybody. neither side should say don't do this, do this. there should be safe space. >> i actually think you're saying the same thing and agree that broadcast television should sort of be a safe space. she is not saying you can't have porn channels. >> yes, she is. >> you can have the porn channels. >> maybe she is, maybe she is. >> not everybody can afford cable or satellite either. the folks that can't afford it, should be a safe place, as well. to be able to watch television in the evening. >> by the way, speaking of affording cable, if you go to college today, you still may not get a job to allow you to afford cable. coming up next, this is stunning stuff. is college worth it anymore?

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okay. as a demonstration of the last segment -- >> hey, hey, come on. >> okay. who wants a minimum wage job? because if you want one, go to college. 300,000 people now graduated college. working minimum wage jobs. there are 50% of college graduates since 2012 in jobs now where they didn't need a college degree. >> really? 50%? >> 50%. jason, are we going to let the kids not go to college? >> no. they have to go to college. you have to find -- it's a changing work force now aways and in the state of the economy, certain degrees or major fields in college just aren't translating in to quality jobs outside. 60% of kids that go to college aren't working in the field they went to school for. it's astonishing. what we ended up with now is tons of bartenders with bachelor's degrees. >> georgetown university went out and polled -- her alma mater. polled the top degrees from there and then the unemployment rate.

number one, architecture. the architecture degrees from georgetown university, 13.9% unemployment rate. is this not related to the housing rate? >> of course. >> something to do with the state of the current economy. >> of course. >> however, if you move on, there are some other soft degrees. >> philosophy. >> fine arts, for example. 12.6% unemployment. and information systems. i don't believe at all. >> the problem though -- >> i want to do this. this is what i want to do with this. any young people working out there. the problem, this is a snapshot of today. number one. not tomorrow. architects may be hot in five years and forgetting the most important thing. i did a show about entrepreneurship. every successful person from bill gates from the man making cookies or the woman making cookies, when you say what's the key to success? passion. so you find what you love in school. that is the beginning, middle -- so yeah! >> i'm going to mimic done any

in one of these and do one of these. it's not the degree. it's what you do alongside the degree. i majored in international politics. i'm sure it's somewhere on the list of people unemployed. i had a passion and interned in the white house and capitol hill. that's what it's all about. interning is the key. >> devil's advocate, you want the intersection of your talents and the marketplace. right? you can, if you want to major in underwater basketweaving and there is no marketplace for it, i mean, what we do have a huge dirth of people in the field of technologies. we need more engineers in this country. we need more mathematicians in this country. we want to encourage the people to fill the gaps in this economy. >> i like what donny said. don't you want to do what you love? success is measured in a lot of different ways. not just about being famous or a

bunch of money or number one in the company. if you want to do underwater basketweaving, hold your breath, go down there and weave. it's fine what you want to do. as a professional athlete, i'm not pushing my sons to be a professional athlete. i got fortunate for 15 years. if my kids want to do fine arts, be an architect, be the best they can be. >> let me tell you, name people that never got a degree. lincoln, walt disney. frank lloyd wright. henry ford and of course the greatest businessman of all, puff daddy. none of those people had a degree. so many things change after you get out of college. >> a founder of paypal, a current ambassador of facebook, paying kids $100,000 not to go to college. >> who's that? >> saving $100,000. you have to start a business. you have to start a business. show it's going to work and $100,000 not to go to college. you went to college. >> i have kids. >> this is what you do for work.

i give somebody that loves fish, love an aquarium empire. everything you can turn in to. there's a basketweaving store to to be done somewhere. >> quick point. i want to add rush limbaugh to your list. my hero. >> that beats the purpose. karl rove. >> didn't go to college. >> there's no good segue. this next segment is fascinating. we are tight on airplanes, traveling. they're going to actually give you more room, more leg room and less room in the toilet. coming up next -- >> i have no chance. no chance. >> we'll "get to the point. " "

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we're back here at "the point." this one is hysterical. we're not all excited about it. >> no. >> delta airlines is going to be the first one of these carriers to order a new set of boeing 737s that are going to give the very last row in the airplane a little more room to recline and they're going to get that room from the lavatory. so they're going to make the lavatory much smaller. so for example, jason, how tall

are you? >> 6'6". >> 6'6". >> 250. here's the question. they'll make the one in the back smaller. the one in the front the way it is? i have to be a contortionist to fit in this thing. let me read this. delta claims the flyers will not be bothered by the smaller bathrooms because the design mostly utilize space that was previously wasted. there's waste? >> extra library in there. >> there's waste. not sure it's wasted space in there. i don't get this. >> what do you care? they don't feed us. you don't need a restroom anymore. >> i rarely go in there. there's women using the restrooms a lot. they're not quite as big as me. >> i think they're on to something here. how about bench seating? that way we can get four people in there. >> i don't know if tsa likes this. >> third seat in the cockpit. sell that. >> jump seat. >> you know, when that restroom's really going to get small with the nra armed guard now that kayla wants. >> everywhere. >> they have those. >> in the restroom with you. >> there's one over there. i see him over there. >> i would happily -- >> my question. >> i would happily trade to be

6'6", 250, to fit in there as opposed to a 5'10" jewish guy. >> hey, it worked out for both of us. but either way, i can't go in this there. they have eliminated a part of their customer base. >> hopefully only on short flights. the 737s don't generally do the across country jfk to la. >> like he flies commercial. >> hey. >> chris christie or michael moore, too. anyway, that aside, that aside, it's our favorite time of the day. bonus points. who on the panel made the best point? i give donny kudos for reaching across the aisle saying the victims of ft hood deserve purple hearts and i look forward to our protests in front of the white house. >> pat him on the back. bonus points. >> you're going to be 2-0 here. i give donny a point, too. rick might have varied a little bit but the purple heart issue. the folks in ft. hood, they deserve to get purple hearts. whenever it happens, it happened but they absolutely deserve to get purple hearts and the true

heroes are men and women serving in our military. >> i couldn't agree with you more. i'll do donny, too. we might have a winner tonight. >> a loser. >> i have to say i really liked that you said, you know, look. you have to approach teaching with common sense. you have to grade teachers and i think that's not a typical left wing or center left position but it's very sensible and so i applaud you for that. i was psyched. you get my award tonight. >> the two -- both the women at the panel get my award for shaming the men and showing us that the stronger sex does not cheat. so you made us all feel very small an we'll do better. okay? >> not buying it. >> be a better man. >> i didn't want to vote for you but everyone is. >> wow! >> i thought that was interesting, 50% of the 2010 college graduates aren't working in a job where they need a degree. that's so depressing. >> i had that stat on my paper. i think donny cheated.