i'm ashleigh banfield and we've got breaking news right off the top. rutgers university basketball coach mike rice has just lost his job, all after a shocking video came to light showing him being abusive to his players during practices, hitting them, kicking them, cursing at them. he's also making apparent homophobic statements. cnn's pamela brown is with me along with joey jackson. pamela, what is the university saying about this recent breaking development, the firing of coach rice? >> well, ashleigh, we just heard from the up un presiden univer president. he said, i have now reached the conclusion that coach rice cannot continue to serve effectively in a position that demands the high leest level of

leadership. therefore, we have decided to terminate mike rice's employment at rutgers. tim pernetti says, "i am responsible for the decision to attempt a rehabilitation of coach rice. dismissal and corrective action were debated in december and i thought it was in the best interest of everyone to rehabilitate, but i was wrong. moving forward, i will work to regain the trust of the rutgers community." take a look at the coach mike rice, the coach of rutgers throwing basketballs at players, hitting them, grabbing them, hurling homophobic slurs. this is video that the university officials watched back in november. it was brought to them by a disgruntled employee who used to

work alongside rice and officials launched an investigation after they were alerted to rice's behavior and watched this video and officials came to the conclusion that it was about to suspend rice for three games and also impose a fine. but after this video was made public yesterday, there really was outrage, an outcry to do more to fire rice. and so that is why we're hearing from the university this morning that rice is out of a job. the question still remains if there will be disciplinary action taken against pernetti and other university officials. >> there are some high-profile athletes weighing in on this, aren't there? >> that's right. we're hearing from lebron james and also ray allen, teammates of miami heat. let's take a look at what lebron james is saying on twitter. this has been retweeted more than 8,000 times. he says, if my son played for rutgers or a coach like that, he would have some real explaining

to do and i'm still gone whoop on him afterwards. we're hearing from well known players that are saying, look, this behavior is not acceptable. we all know that coaches can lose their cool but it's clear that mike rice crossed the line here. >> i don't think i'm hearing many people come to his defense, that's for sure. and you see some of the video that's been widely broadcast, just the side lines behavior and just the intensity. there's nothing wrong with intensity but when it gets to the level of the video. by the way, joey jackson, this video was shot by a name of eric murdoch, a former player that was on the staff that worked for rutgers. some say the disgruntled employee, his lawyer says he wasn't a disgruntled employee. he was terminated for having complained about the illegal conduct by coach rice. is this another legal mess that, you know, is swirling not only around coach rice but the university, too? >> without question.

we certainly want passion in our coaches but this passion crosses the line. as far as murdoch who you referenced, he said, listen, this is not the kind of conduct representative of the university. more so, i don't think that it goes to motivation of players and how do you expect us to be successful if you have a coach name-calling and putting his hands on people? he's fired for that and says he was fired for insubordination related to that? i don't think so. we'll see legal action as a result of this and i think the school will have some answering to do as to why he, eric murdoch, was fired as opposed to the real party at issue. >> and timing is everything, even when it comes to the letter of the law. we're looking at four to five months between a suspension for three games and a $50,000 fine for what had come to light back then and stayed away from public view and now this very public video, this was all a termination and the termination

is only because it became so public and not because it was the right thing to do in the university's mind. >> you know, ashleigh, when you have governor christie saying that it's problematic and the speaker of the assembly coming forward and saying something, you have people who have watched this and daying it's deplorable, you have coaches and athletes, you know it's a public position on this that he had to go. as a result of that, i think they changed the school's mind, the public pressure really quickly. >> thank you very much, joe jackson. i know you're going to be around for further analysis throughout this program. thank you, pamela brown. the attorney who represented former white house intern monica lewinsky has died. he was such a familiar face. william ginsburg died on monday at his home in los angeles from complications from cancer. this, according to his family. mr. ginsburg was 70 years old.

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the doctor at the center of the michael jackson wrongful death trial beginning this week in los angeles will not be going into the courtroom to speak about the case but he does have a lot to say. conrad murray spoke live last night with my colleague, anderson cooper, and he did so from his jail cell, a cell where he's serving four years for the involuntary manslaughter of michael jackson. a civil trial that could be worth billions of dollars is pitting michael jackson's mom and kids against the concert promoters who hired and failed to supervise conrad murray. it comes down to whether murray worked for aeg live or whether murray worked for michael jackson and last night anderson cooper tried to put that

question at the heart of the issue. >> were you an aeg employee, someone they had an employee for, or were you an employee of michael jackson. can you answer that question. >> no, i cannot. not at this time. >> okay. i understand that. do you know the answer to that question? >> absolutely. >> and later in the conversation, dr. murray seems to make it pretty clear who was in charge of jackson's health and welfare, especially when it came to the surgical sedative that ultimately killed him. have a listen. >> yes indeed. i did order propofol to his home but i did not bring propofol to his home. i did not agree with michael. but michael felt that, you know, it was not an issue because he had been exposed to it for years. given the situation at the time, it was my approach to try to get him off of it but michael jackson was not the kind of

person you could say, put it down and he's going to do that. >> well, i want to bring in an attorney who knows michael jackson extremely well, tom mesereau defended michael in his molestation trial back in 2005. good to have you here. you were extraordinarily close to michael jackson and so much is expected to come out in this case. it comes down to that effective essential question. who did that doctor work for? based on conrad murray's answers that you just heard, do you have an indication? do you think you know the answer. >> i know the answer but it's not just based on anything that dr. murray says because he has no credibility whatsoever. the fact of the matter, aeg, the concert promoter, had their lawyers draft an agreement, their lawyers sent that agreement to dr. murray and dr. murray signed it. in law, the -- whether or not there's an agreement is very much affected by who drafts the

document. they sent that document to him. that's the document they wanted him to sign. the document said that they were going to employ him, they were going to pay him and other terms and conditions. they also sent e-mails to each other confirming that they had employed dr. murray. i think to try to wiggle out now and say that michael jackson employed him is going to backfire. >> but they didn't sign it. they may have drafted it, pushed it, but didn't end up signing it. is there not a lot of value to that ultimate signature? >> no, there isn't. because in law you can have an oral agreement or a written agreement and that oral agreement can be confirmed by various writings and documents that concern whether or not there was an understanding. the fact that they had agreed to pay him, the fact that they sent him an agreement to sign with all of the conditions they wanted, the fact that he signed it at their request, they are not going to be able to get out of the idea, we didn't technically sign it so we didn't

employ him. there's a lot of law to support the fact that all of these conditions, all of these documents, all of these e-mails show they were his employer. >> so i want to go right off the reservation here. i was trying to figure out whether there was a legal merit to this argument. and if they employed him -- let's say that aeg employed him. they are not a pt ho. they a hospital. they are an employer. and can you not make the argument that as an employer they did everything they could to ensure the safety and the health of michael jackson by hiring him a doctor and he didn't have any bad background. it's not like they went and hired a quack. >> but they did not investigate him as they originally claimed they had. my understanding is that aeg said they thoroughly investigated him in an e-mail and now in sworn depositions have agreed that they did not

investigate him. furthermore, murray requested and i'm told that aeg agreed to provide resuscitation agreement, to provide a gurney, a nurse assistant and in the end did not provide any of those items. if that's true, i think they are on the hook and i think they are in trouble. >> tom mesereau, it's good to see you again. thank you for taking the time to speak with me. >> thank you. appreciate it. conrad murray did not just talk at the anderson cooper interview. he also talked about conrad murray. he sang. he asked him to best describe his sad upbringing. it's called "the little boy that santa claus forgot". ♪ he's the little boy that santa claus forgot ♪ ♪ and goodness knows he did not want a lot ♪ ♪ he wrote a note to santa for

some crayons and a toy, it broke his little heart when he found santa hadn't come ♪ ♪ in the streets he envied all the lucky boys but goodness knows he didn't want a lot ♪ ♪ i'm so sorry for that laddie who hasn't got a daddy ♪ ♪ he's a little boy that santa claus forgot ♪ >> i think anderson's face may say it all there. that's just an unusual kind of answer to a live interview on television. what a story it is before he shared it live with anderson. murray spoke on tape with cnn's don lemon and don is joining me from atlanta. i'm seeing your reaction to that. that had people talking and not in a good way. what is your impression of your conversations with dr. conrad murray? >> well, i think in a way a little bit of desperation, a little bit stir crazy. i asked him about the conditions

where he was and i think he, in his mind, and i'm not an attorney and not a judge and jury -- he believes that he is completely innocent for the death of michael jackson. of course, he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. but here's the interesting thing, ashleigh. he has a phone in his cell. >> what? in his cell? >> yes. he can call but he has to use like a credit card, he can call collect and use a credit card and it says, do you accept this coming from the jail. that's how he called his attorney. so when i was there con uductin the attorney with his attorney, he called and i said is that him and she said yes and he was on the phone with me. >> the other thing i was not clear on, and maybe you got insight having this personal connection with him. he spoke at length about his personal sense of loss in the death of michael jackson. they spent a lot of time together, just the two of them.

he said he had a lot in common with michael jackson and yet his defense is that michael is his own man and michael did this to himself and michael has got a lot of problems, et cetera. >> not just michael. not just michael. he said also the family. he blames the family in some ways. the family ignored in some ways michael jackson's past drug use and they were in denial and he just happened to be the person that was there at the end of michael jackson's life. but he talks about, i loved him, i loved him more than anything and he shared things with me and i shared things with him that he didn't share with anyone. listen to part of our conversation, ash. >> i've lost a friend, a great friend, a man who was imperfect like all of us are. he has his dark sides and he has

had his good sides and i truly will always miss him. >> so here's the interesting thing. as i sat in that courtroom back in 2011 behind the jackson family, obviously they wanted someone to pay for their loved one's life and that was conrad murray. in this particular trial, conrad murray can help the family by saying, i was hired by aeg. or he can help aeg by saying, i was hired by michael jackson. that is the irony in all of this and most likely, ashleigh, he's probably not going to testify. he's going to take his fifth amendment rights because he does not want to ruin a retrial. >> yeah. look, when you're appealing something, you keep your trap shut about the facts in the case. they can always come back to haunt you even when you don't take the stand. don, thank you. >> you, too. my next guess i guess you

could say literally wrote the book about michael jackson's molestation trial. it's called "be careful who you love," diane dimond is covering this for "newsweek" and "the daily beast." diane, it's great to see you. you were the first person i thought of. this comes down to who's the boss and that's going to come out in evidence. since you have spent so many days and nights and months inside -- >> years. >> -- years inside the michael jackson cases, years in california when it comes to michael jackson is a whole other animal. >> juries in california are a whole other animal. we saw it in o.j. and at the michael jackson 2005 criminal case. >> phil spector. >> phil specter. >> lindsey. >> lindsey hasn't had a jury

yet. i would think that aeg does not want older people who would remember the days of the studio where marilyn monroe, rod hudson were given pills to go to sleep and pills to stay up because aeg sort of sounds like that now. they knew something was wrong with this man. their inner office e-mails prove that but yet they still prodded and pressed a he that goes to katherine jackson's argument that they literally pushed michael jackson to death. >> and that would be the argument. if you're aeg and you're looking at mrs. jackson and terribly sympathetic, these children that could end up on the stand here, don't you want to say, i'm sorry, mr. and mrs. jackson, paris, prince, and blanket, but

you can't ascribe a $40 million price tag to a man that could barely stand up. how could you say that you would be due that money from that man? >> that he could have performed. >> and if he did, would he have given it to you? >> there's so many questions surrounding this but aeg has, according to my sources -- and i wrote about this in "the daily beast" this week, they have been digging up stuff on michael jackson that is sure to make this trial very ugly. >> can you say what? >> i can't tell you that but they have gone back to outline his drug abuse, let's put it that way -- and the family's attempts at intervention, at least three intervention attempts that michael jackson said, leave me alone, i'm going to be dead in a year anyway. this all goes to aeg's side who says, he was a hot mess before we even met him. he was living a self-destructive

lifestyle that probably would have led to this in the first place. >> love him or hate him -- and there are so many of both camps -- the man danced on cars at trials, showed up in his pajamas, was heard slurring on tapes and had so many issues and so many successes, it's a classic american tragedy. >> he was a pathetic but a genius, and a musical genius. >> it's not the last that i want to talk to you about this because you have welcome information when it comes to michael jackson. thank you again. >> thank you. as usual, in the other case that's making huge news, jodi arias, anything but an ordinary dairy day in that courtroom. we're going to tell you why travis alexander's family and the woman who reportedly killed him were stuck in a small room behind closed doors. yeah, we'll explain. [ dentist ] with so many toothbrushes to choose from,

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travis alexander's family and the woman who killed him together yesterday in the judge's chambers. one side came out smiling, the other came out quite the opposite. another day, another did that

just happen in the jodi arias trial? and joining me to explain what went down is ted rowlands and beth karas. both of you are watching this trial in phoenix. ted, first to you, why were they all together in what i can only assume is a fairly small set of chambers with this judge? >> reporter: yeah. i think the emotion that you see is probably two-fold. one that the decision maybe went against them and that decision was the bouncing of juror number five. that's what they were doing back in chambers, deciding what to do with this juror who had said something that the judge inevitably thought was too much to have her continue on the panel. they came out and they were crying. you can see on the video, they were emotional and, as you said, jodi seemed pretty happy and so did her defense team coming out of there. and i think the emotion side from the alexander sisters was two-fold. one, maybe they didn't like the decision but the other had to be

so close to jodi for such a long period of time, about two hours in chambers situation. it had to be just very, very difficult for them to endure. >> i cannot even imagine. beth karas, i have only been in two judge's chambers before and essentially they look like offices. i don't know about this chambers but can you tell me how -- if you know anything about this courthouse or chambers, would they literally have been within reaching distance of each other? >> reporter: well, probably. but it's my understanding that they were not in her official chambers. this is a courtroom that is designed for high-profile cases and multimedia presentations of evidence and there's a large public gallery and all kinds of things in there for presenting evidence on screens and monitors all over the place. so i understand that they were in a room that she uses basically as chambers when she

needs to have private meetings and she'll go in the back and take a proffer of evidence. i believe it's not a large room but it's not her official chambers. >> so ted, back to the juror problem, this juror number five talked in front of other jurors. now that she's been dismissed and her chair is empty, she obviously would have a lot of insight as to how this jury is reacting. not to suggest that they are talking about the case. they are not supposed to. but has anyone been able to track her down or is the court protecting her? >> reporter: the court is not protecting her but nobody has tracked her down and believe me, a lot of people are trying to track her down because it was fascinating to hear what she says. she was the one juror who took notes during even the tedious testimony. she took the most notes. she was clearly a personality on this jury and it would be

fascinating for folks following this trial and there are hundreds of thousands of them, to get her view, see what she was thinking and i'm sure that she'll come out at some point. but as of now, no one has talked to her. >> fascinating to hear any kind of insight at this point, months into the trial. thank you. be with us if you would, please, because we're learning a lot from some tapes that have just come out, interrogation tapes. not necessarily of jodi, her parents, the moment they were told your daughter's a killer. we're going to see that in just a moment. now you can. with stayfree ultra thins. flexible layers move with your body while thermocontrol wicks moisture away. keep moving. stayfree.

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he gave this interview to wacb. he apologized and said, again, as i stated three months ago after i watched the video, how deeply regrettable those actions, i also stated i was going to try and work on changing and i think i've accomplished a lot of that. i can't say anything right now except i'm sorry and there will never be a time where i'm going to use any of that as an excuse or will there be any excuse. i've let so many people down who are sitting around just huddled around because their father was an embarrassment to them. it's troubling but i hope at some time maybe i'll try and explain it. but right now there is no explanation on those films because there was no excuse for it. and i want to tell everybody who's believed in me that i'm peep deeply sorry for the pain and the hardship i may have caused. >> that is one mea culpa. there's a local television

station. do we know if he will give a mass news conference? >> so many unanswered questions. people wondering how did this go on for so long without anybody noticing, why didn't the university take more action when officials saw this video several months ago and why did it take public outrage like this for mike rice to lose his job. >> and was it just the public outrage that led to this action as opposed to just morals alone? pamela brown, thank you. keep us updated. thank you for that. we also have some pretty fascinating video that has just emerged from the jodi arias murder trial. her parents, bill and sandy arias talking to police within moments being told that their daughter is being accused of being a vicious murder. their daughter. it's taken right around the time of her arrest and if you put yourself in their shoes, they are all at once coming to grips

with what they have just been told while at the same time they are giving subtle clues into their daughter's true nature. first, jodi's mom. >> how could somebody you say she did this come back and just be normal? >> i don't know. >> jodi has mental problems. jodi would freak out all the time. i had quite a few of her friends call me and tell me that i needed to get her some help. i can't even imagine and my god, i can't even think about it. >> the evidence that we have is completely convincing to me. we have everything from her fingerprints at the scene of the crime. >> well, i know her fingerprints are there. >> her dna, her things like her hair and -- >> you know she spent time with him. so does that prove that she killed him? she cleaned his house, she --

>> the evidence that we have is more than just that. it's more than just that. i mean, you don't leave a fingerprint in blood. >> no. >> okay. all right. so -- >> why would she do something like this? >> i don't know. and that's what i was trying -- >> did she snap or what? how could she come back here and then when her friends calling and telling her that he died, she totally freaked out like she knew nothing about it. my en, how could somebody do that? how? >> next up, bill arias, jodi's father. his interrogation seems to be a little different. he seems more calm and more able to accept the possibility of his daughter's role in this. he even seems to bring up clues that may point to her as possibly a killer? >> i said, are you going to tell me or not because i said i want to know? she said, i can't tell you because i don't want you to get

involved so i'm not going to tell you anything and i thought, oh well. and then she told me that she quit her job yesterday because the police had called and and i said, what are you running away for if you're not guilty? >> did you have your suspicions that she might have been involved in travis' death? >> i looked at it this way. it was a day and a half or two days later that she heard about it because she was quite normal until then and when she heard about it and over the phone she was hysterical. >> that's not all of the interrogation tapes. wait until you see jodi arias' interrogation and what her take was on the ten commandments and what she did when the investigator left the room. you'll never want to go back. its dynamic power bristles reach between teeth to remove up to 76% more plaque than sonic in hard to reach areas.

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the interrogation video of jodi arias' parents is just the tip of the iceberg. we haven't shown you some of the tape that you're about to see, interrogation of jodi herself talking about who could have committed such a heinous crime. >> who did this? >> i don't know. but if i am -- if i go to trial for this and i'm convicted for this, whoever did this is going to be sitting very pretty somewhere. >> and it's my job to make sure that an innocent person does not go to jail. but i don't see an innocent person sitting in front of me. >> remember, this is when she is still lying to everybody who was near travis' home. let's go to beth karas and paul callan. beth, are those videos of her interrogation or her parents'

interrogation ever going to see the light of the courtroom or, more importantly, the juror's eyes? >> well, some of jodi arias' interrogation that day or the next day when she admitted that she was there but two intruders did it, you are also showing sf stuff that the jury didn't see. if there's a penalty phase, her parents may get on the stand and her mom may talk about her problems and psychiatric problems and how jodi's friends begged for her to get help for her but she never did. >> i want to play a little more of the interrogation because it's a classic move of interrogators and they get up and leave the suspect alone to see what they say or do when they don't think anyone is

watching. ♪ >> so paul callan, while that is a lovely rendition of dido's songs, it's an unusual way for a suspect to behave? >> it's a bizarre suspeway for suspect to behave. usually she would not be singing a song when left alone. but frankly, unless the prosecutor wants to offer it in evidence, really only the prosecutor has the right to offer evidence like this. the defense cannot unless they are trying to, you know, in the penalty phase, as belth sath sa introduce some mental health aspect. >> it's a lovely rendition but very strange and perhaps maybe

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now to the latest in the murders of two texas prosecutors. there is a lot in terms of clues, theories, but there is very little to go on at this point. mike mcclelland were killed and then mark hasse earlier in the month. a federal law enforcement official quoted by the los angeles times said that williams made threats against both mclegm mclegal mclelland and hasse.

a neighbor tells gary tuchman that he knows for a fact that mcclelland had guns in his home at the time that he was killed. >> you know that? >> absolutely. >> how do you know that? >> we are part of a pistol club and he's been to meetings that i've been to. so, yeah, i know that he had guns. >> even more incredible, that neighbor was awake the night that those two were killed and said he never heard any gunshots. his dogs never even barked. just makes the mystery all more compelling. joining me is robert, the texas district and county association that offers training assistance.

sir, i take it you know a thing or two about the potential threats out there when your job is to put away bad people. have you had anything in your past that is anything like the threats that these prosecutors may now be facing? >> you know, i'm not sure. prosecutors in texas are very used to threats. our job is to put away and to really make a lot of people mad at us so the truth is, it's kind of common that you get threats. i've had threats as a prosecutor in texas. i know most of my friends have. we haven't taken those as seriously as we are taking this today, though. >> but the threats that you've encountered in your line of work, has it amounted to anything where your actions had to be altered or were these idle threats, things that you get every day? >> a lot of times actions have

been altered. i've spent a couple weeks watching tv on the sofa at my residence until they are able to clear that threat. looking back on that, like i say, we get a lot of threats from folks in the jail. you take them kind of seriously. i guess now people are going to take it a lot more more serious? >> mr. kepple, pardon me, i didn't know there was a association in texas. are you advising other prosecutors throughout the state of texas on what to do now? or do yourself even know at this point? this is sort of uncharted territory. >> that's exactly right. monday morning our phones were lit up with people calling asking for advice on how they can review the security for their assistance, how the elected can protect themselves, what steps need to be taken. the truth of the matter is our profession in texas and i'm going to say probably around the country haven't really talked about this before. so we're having a meeting of our board of directors after the memorial service thursday. we're going to have a meeting on friday. and one of the big topics will be what do prosecutors need to do to start taking care of

themselves and making sure that they're adequately protected. >> mr. kepple, thanks for being with us. certainly our thoughts are with you and your colleagues as you fact these threats in this very new world we live in at this time. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. i want to talk a little bit about prison. fear, drugs and guns, loaded guns, weren't really things you see in a jail cell, or look at your screen, are they? yeah. that's a loaded weapon. and those are bullets. and this is a prison. you're going to find out what this is all about in just a moment. . britta olsen is my patient. i spend long hours with her checking her heart rate, administering her medication, and just making her comfortable. one night britta told me about a tradition in denmark, "when a person dies," she said, "someone must open the window so the soul can depart." i smiled and squeezed her hand. "not tonight, britta. not tonight."

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drugs, guns, gambling, drinking, cavorting, that is absolutely not what you're supposed to be doing when you're behind bars in prison, but it is exactly what the inmates were doing in new orleans. take a look. two words, holy moly. this is incredible video coming out in federal court in a case that's an ongoing push to clean up the orleans parish prison. the feds sued last year alleging unsafe, criminal and generally hellish conditions in that

prison, which the sheriff agreed to address. the city itself is balking over the cost of trying to fix everything. supposedly the video is four years old, but it just recently turned up in a safe. so i want to bring in my attorneys on this case, joey jackson and paul kalen. you're not shaking your heads, which tells me, paul, that this is not so unusual. but i'm sorry, seeing a loaded gun in a jail cell with all those inmates, i was astounded. are you? >> no. it's astounding. and i should be shaking my head. i thought it was a party at joey jackson's house for a moment. i wasn't shaking my head. no, it's -- i'm sure joey would agree with me having met with, you know, clients in prisons here in new york and other places that it is a shocking, shocking tape. it's like new orleans is some third world country. i mean, i've seen video of prisons in peru and bolivia and other places not as bad as this.

it's an absolute disgrace. >> paul, i can't even get my head around filthy conditions because the tape goes onto show not only the loaded weapon, the handgun and the arsenal, but cocaine and them doing lines of cocaine on a bible or at least some kind of biblical publication. and swigging back on the bud wisers, several cans of budweisers. here's where i get to my point which i'm promoting for tonight at 10:00, joey, how does this stuff really get in? >> okay. well, there are multiple theories as to how. now, backing up a bit apparently because of katrina they had to use this jail that was formerly closed and admitted at that time there were inadequate security measures to even be used, but in light of katrina they had to resort to that. there is a theory that potentially. and we know that security guards at the jail and those who are

corrections officers work very hard, they're honest and law-abiding people, but there's a theory that they may have been or some of them may have been in on getting some of this contraband into the facility. >> unbelievable. i'm going out on a limb saying paul callan, i thought it was a party at your house, my friend. we're going to talk more about this case, both of you, when we get more information on it. it really is astounding. in the meantime thank you to you both. good to see you both. privilege is mine. so coming up later today "out front with erin burnett" is going to dig deeper. her show starts at 7:00 p. p.m: eastern time. all morning on cnn we have been showing you the very bizarre interview that michael jackson's doctor conrad murray did from inside his jail live with anderson cooper. if you haven't seen it, head to cnn.com. may be worth ten minutes out of your day to catch this. it was so bizarre. you'll want to tune in also this

friday at 10:00 eastern time because anderson cooper will have a special report called "michael jackson; the final days." those are my final words. i thank you profusely for watching. "around the world" is coming your way in just a moment.