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launch merciless strikes against the united states. a warning posted by north korea's state-run news agency states the moment of explosion is approaching fast. it goes on to say, quoting again, the u.s.' reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people and cutting edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike needs of the dprk. is this more of the same from north korea or is there something different this time? >> it's slightly different, erin. you know, north korea isn't prone to any sort of subtlety. they like to talk big. the difference here is if you look at the timing of when this message came out, it came out at 4:00 a.m. seoul time. they're not talking to their locals. they are talking to the united states. that's what's different.

they're meagie mess enaging dir the united states. the difference is who they're directly talking to. we're used to hearing all of this crazy north out of the north. the difference is when and who and that is the slight difference. >> that's significant though as we've been talking about this bell koes rhetoric is directed at their own people. so as you point out this could be significant. north korea, it's been reported on doesn't are the proven ability to conduct a nuclear strike against the united states at this point. so how big is the threat here? >> if you talk to people who are truly well versed in the military and truly feel confident about reading the tea leaves here, they say the threat is actually quite low. why? because north korea had nuclear weapons for some time. they have, according to many experts, four to eight nuclear weapons. they haven't used them. why? because this young leader even

though he is 28, 29, a man child of sorts, he knows if you use nuclear weapons, it is regime suicide. so the experts widely believe, erin, that he cannot use them. >> all right. thank you very much. and "outfront," cnn contractor ari fleischer, the white house press secretary under president george w. bush and gordan chang, author of "nuclear showdown: north korea takes on the world." how concerned are you about the new threats? >> i'm concerned. leaders in the region can't back down. yes, we've heard this playbook before of north korea making threats. you have to know that north korean regime sun stable. the leader has not been in power very long. he's purging the officials who were loyal to his dad, his predecessor. koreans are sick o taking blow after blow and china is going through a leadership transition of their own. the military is becoming more powerful and chinese military supports the north korean

military. >> so what happens here if we're in a situation where it's impossible if not incredibly difficult for anyone to back down? whether that be north korea, south korea or the u.s.? >> well, the history actually is in north korea does this for a design purpose. the purpose is usually to get something at the negotiate table, to force the west and united states and north korea to give them more food aid, energy aid and make us back down. what is important that we do that comes next is for the american administration and defense department to be resolute, not back down an inch, not a second, not a yard. that's the way to handle north korea. much of it means ignoring what they say despite the aggressive nature but being absolutely 100% militarily prepared so they don't do anything foolish. >> and gordon, on that front, we have just -- the united states new land based missile defense system is headed to guam. the pentagon is taking this seriously enough, especially the

threats against guam that they're moving the missile defense there. two warships have gone into the region. and the secretary of defense chuck hagel today described the threat from north korea as a real and present danger. how real is the danger against guam right now given that guam is the american territory that would be the most reasonable for north korea to try to strike? >> i don't think the north koreans would strike guam in the beginning. they're going to go after south korea or better yet japan. but, you know, we can get involved. it's not just guam. it is also our bases in japan, okinawa. >> okay. that's my question. would they do that because as our reporter was saying, a lot of -- they're pointing at the u.s. as opposed to their own domestic people or south korea. at least the reb lhetoric. >> if they thought the rhetoric was going to break down this he would go after anything they could catch. that is not the first thing

they're going to strike. you have to be resolute. the north core evenkoreans, if them an inch, they'll take a mile. >> tom donolin said this about the capabilities. >> the united states willing not accept north korea as a nuclear state nor will we stand by while they seek to develop a nuclear missile that will target the united states. >> the reason i found this strange is they are a nuclear power with nuclear missiles. chuck hagel talked about that today and said something very different from tom donilin. >> they have nuclear capacity now. they have missile delivery capacity now. >> all right. sort of the opposite. the question for you is can we stop them at this point? they already have the weapon. >> no. they can't be stopped.

they are, whether they're a nuclear state is a term of art or something that makes logical sense, they have nuclear bombs. that cannot be stopped. that's why it's problematic when he says something like that and then as chuck hague sl saying, they have nuclear weapons. they have delivery devices but they don't have the combination of thou deliver the two by at least large distances. and that's why in many ways this is the usual bluster coming from north korea. the last time they engaged in this was in 1994. when it got this heated, this head rot, people in north korea and south korea actually thought they were on the verge of war. and they were able to get concessions as a result of the threats they nad 1994. the difference now is they have nuclear weapons. and it is always dangerous on the korean peninsula. but it goes back to why the administration needs to be measured about this. the rhetoric, their words should be in some ways nonchalant. i think it was a mistake when jay carney talked about not seeing military maneuvers from south korea. the white house should not brief -- from north korea, i'm

sorry. they should not brief about north korea's military moves. it raises the temperature too much. they should let the pentagon brief about that and then the pentagon is the place to look for the resolute action if any red lines are crossed, president obama would have no choice but to counterattack. i hope it will never get to that point. and we should certainly not go and engage in preemptive strikes in north korea. >> thank you both very much. interesting conversation. peter king told us he would do a preemptive strike last night when he was on this program. still to come, dr. ben carson says white liberals are racist and targetsing him for his views. did his comments cross the line? plus, a convicted felon was released from prison four years early because of an error. an error that had deadly consequences. and two men convicted of attempted murder today, swords, a body bag and their plan to attack a grammy winning singer. [ male announcer ] at his current pace,

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our second story out front, racist comments or politics as usual? so a man is being taken to tass tok night after making some controversial comments on mark leven's conservative radio show. here it is. >> you're attacked also in many respects because of your race. because you're not supposed to think like this and talk like this, a lot of white liberals just don't like it, do they? >> well, you know, they're the most racist people there are because, you know, they put you

in a little category, a little box. you have to think this way. how could you dare come off the plantation?" >> how you could dare come off the plantation? carson levin, we're talking about how carson says white liberals are attacking him for opposing gay marriage. "outfront" tonight, mary curtis, a blogger for "the washington post" and niger ennis. does dr. carson have a point, white liberals put african-americans in a certain category or a box and they're the most racist people? >> well, yes, he does. he absolutely has a point. and, you know, look, dr. course on is not -- dr. carson is not a refined politician. that's why the american people love him so much. so he can be a little clumsy sometimes is what he wants to say. but he's dead on with what he's trying to say. isn't it interesting, erin, i think even mary would agree with me, that it is quite racist to say that all certain type of

people look alike but somehow with many white liberals and for that matter black liberals, it's not racist to have the presum that is all blacks do or all blacks should think alike. and that's what dr. carson was talking about. and he's dead on. >> all right. let me ask you, mary, to be clear, what sparked this conversation about white liberals was what dr. carson recently said about gay marriage. so let me play that to give everyone the context. >> no group, be they gays, be they people who believe in betiality, it doesn't matter what they are, they don't get to change the definition. >> talking about the definition of marriage. if white liberals have an issue about what he said there about gay marriage, are they racist? >> listen, this is politics. he's going to criticize others and he's going to get criticized. if you put same-sex marriage and

nambla in the same sentence, you'll be criticized. what did he do? he apologized. it was time to move on. >> nambla is north american man boy love association, that's why it's offensive. >> it is offensive. he's not sophisticated. he's not used to politics. it's time to move on. but what did he do? he talked about white liberals and being racist and he blamed them. and so he wants to be treated as an individual and, yet, he stereotypes all white liberals as being racist. and that doesn't seem -- would be the way you would go if you want to make that particular point. >> let me have a point of agreement with mary which is that if you stick your head into the field of politics, you're going to get hit from both sides. there's no question about it. and i'm sure mary was equally critical of those who say that they are racist or that those that offer critique of president obama's policies are racist

simply because they're criticizing a black man or because they call him a socialist or mention his middle name are racist that is equally absurd. the most powerful man in the world is going to receive critique and sometimes that critique is going to be harsh. just because it is harsh does not mean that it's racist. i'm sure that mary offers that critique as well. >> well, let me ask each of you -- >> it's harsh because he gets harsh criticism it is not racist. there is some criticism of president obama that is racist. and you can tell the difference. it isn't all racist. but some of it is. >> all right. so let me talk -- >> and dr. carson has a point -- i'm sorry. >> that's all right. i want to ask you about this fundamental issue i think both of you are getting at here ultimately which is are african-americans a block group when it come to voting? in 2012, obama got 93% of the african-american vote. you stla is a liberal racism

that assumes blacks should be liberal f you're black, you're going to vote democrat. is expecting blacks to vote for president obama racist or not? >> absolutely. and it's more than just that. it is the kind of treatment that blacks get for stepping off the ideological plantation. you know, it is the treatment of condoleeza rice which was vicious whether she was secretary of state being called a porch monkey, having cartoons of here as aunt jamima, clarence thomas has picture in the front of a black liberal mag zeazine a lawn jockey. it's a vicious double standard that if on the within hand you're a black conservative, you can say anything you want about that individual, but if you are a black liberal and the most powerful man on the planet that somehow any critique of you is racist or bigoted and unfair.

>> mary? >> i think niger is generalizing there. because while there was some criticism, when people used those images of a colin powell and condoleeza rice, there was pushback and criticism. they were honored and admired by many african-americans. >> give me a break, mary. there was no -- mary that, is not true. there was no criticism from the race merchant machine out there. the al sharptons, naacps, they were silent when that happened, mary. that is not true. i was engaged in those battles. i pushed back. heck no. i'm not going to let you get away with that, mary. you're too smart. that is not true. that is hypocrisy and you're wrong and that's a lie. >> that is not a lie. j you're generalizing. there are merchants out there that the silence was deafening, mary. >> what do you think of all this slavery imagery? if an african-american happens

to have a certain view, then they're talked about is being slaved on a plantation. john lewis, an african-american civil rights activist who is a democratic politician, is he anybody's slave? honestly? did you push back against those characterizations? >> i agree with you there. mary, i agree with you there. john lewis is not anybody's slave. he is a great man. he's a hero. but what dr. carson was talking about was the hell that black conservatives and by the way, woman conservatives, latino conservatives. you are listening, marco rubio, the double standard and heck and unfair vicious attacks that are launched on people of color or women that dare to break out of the box. >> all right. >> the republicans are trying to reach out to minorities right now. they're trying to reach out to mi nort minorities right now s this the way to do it? to say somebody that has a policy that is not conservative is somehow on a plantation to

divide and stereotype african-americans as being on or off a plantation? dr. ben carson is now in politics. people will criticize him. people will criticize him. >> all right. we have to leave it there. thank you very much to both of you. really appreciation that conversation. still to come, is it your college's fault if you don't get a job after graduation? people behind a class action lawsuit say yes. tort reform, anyone. prisoners drinking and doing drugs while incarcerated and we have the video for you. a special report. dramatic video of a 40-story building on fire. just look at that. where there is not much firefighters can do about something like this.

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our third story "outfront," lawsuits gone wild. a california law school graduate is suing his law school. he claims the school committed fraud by promising graduates they'd get a job within nine months of graduating. did you know you could sue for that? well, miguel marques is out front with the story. >> reporter: michael leberman went to southern california's southwestern law school because he figured getting a job with a law degree was the surest bet one could get. >> i know i did my research on it. i relied upon those numbers when i made my decision or relied upon the 95% employment. >> reporter: that is the promise from southwestern, 97% of

graduates employed within nine months. he passed the bar exam and then filled out hundreds of job applications. he got an equal number of rejections and ended up having to live back home with his parents. >> i had high hopes for employment. i thought this degree was going to be very important to me getting a job. >> reporter: his hope, he says, was based on hype. he joins several former students unable to get legal jobs after graduating who are suing schools here for what they say was misleading employment numbers. >> what we blame the law schools for is not accurately disclosing what the market for its graduates was like. >> reporter: in at least six states, there are similar suits, former law students, many of them carrying more than $100,000 in student loan debt who feel they were misled into believing a law degree quaequalled a good job. they call these suits ridiculous. >> the lawsuits are totally ridiculous. they've been filed in courts across the country and they're

being dismissed by judges across the country. frankly, if somebody were smart enough to get into law school, you would think that they would understand it's not a guarantee of a job. >> reporter: california's southwestern law school says it follows the american bar association's requirements which is since changed way jobs are reported here and nationwide. but the lawyer trying to get four california cases consolidated as a single class action suit says that does nothing for those already through law school and struggling to find work. >> for those students who did incur the expense of going to the schools where the information was provided was inhashtly misleading, we're going to seek monetary damages. >> reporter: driving this in large part the tough job market and a lawyer glut in 2011, the number of full time jobs for practicing lawyers nationwide hit 65.4%, the lowest ever. for southwestern university, it's worse. in 2012, just under 47% of graduates got full or part time

jobs as practicing lawyers. michael leberman finally got a job last december, not a legal job. he's now working for an elected official. he's moved oud of his parents home and still hopes a job as a lawyer or at least in the legal field is out there. for "outfront," i'm miguel marques in los angeles. all right. let us know what you by this that one, please. how could a convicted felon be released from prison by accident? take off his ankle monitoring device and no one notices? and then murder people? it's a story that doesn't add up. plus, the bizarre execution plot against a popular singer and this video of guys drinking, smoking and playing with guns. you find it disturbing. but look what they're wearing. that's when you realize this is happening inside an american prison. a special report is next. hey! [squeals]

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we have breaking news out of ft. knox in kentucky. an emergency situation led to a lockdown of the entire army post. there is just coming in. let me give you the latest information that we have. sources are telling our affiliate that a shooting took place at the post near the human resources command. you're looking there where for the knox is in kentucky. 3800 people work at that center.

now we, as i said this is it a developing story. we don't have any word on any casualties at this time. a source emphasizes to our affiliate that the army post is 100% on lockdown. we're going to keep you updated on this breaking story. if we get information on whether it's clear or whether there have been casualties as this happens over the next few minutes, we'll bring that you to. but this is the latest we had. we didn't want to wait to give it to you. a few of the other top stories that we're watching, there is trouble for the already problematic carnival cruise ship that the ship broke down in the gulf of mexico. you may recall, during 70 mile an hour winds, the ship broke loose from the dock in mobile, alabama, and drifted down the mobile river. carnival says the triumph is resting against a cargo ves he will. one worker is still missing and there are conflicted reports about where he was working. there is a disturbing report out of saudi arabia. according to a paper, a man has been sentenced to be paralyzed as retribution for stabbing and

paralyzing his best friend ten years ago when he was 14. that is unless he can come up with the equivalent of $266,000 in compensation. how paralysis is not enforced. but we were pointed to a similar case in 2010 in which the saudi government approached a number of hospitals about the possibility of cutting a man's spinal cord as payment for his crime. the government is denied the paralysis has been considered in that case. but this is troubling example of an eye for an eye justice. well this is incredible. we're going to show you this picture. the tallest skyscraper in chech kneea. all floors of the 40-story apartment building, all 40 floors were on fire. authorities say dozens were evacuated. no one was killed or injured. but retired fire chief russ sanders who worked with the

russian fire service says the options of battling a fire that large is limited. they can only fight it from the ground. that is incredible to see. thank goodness no one was injured. it is 608 days since the united states lost its top credit rating. stocks ended down today. there were comments from the federal reserve saying this free easy money isn't going to last forever. and now our fourth story "outfront." gross negligence. so a convicted felon released from prison four years early due to clerical error. that's first. then authorities take five days to realize that parolee disdisconnected his anchor monitor and fled. he was supposedly under intense monitoring, no alcohol, no driving and curfew. yet that parolee is believed to have killed two people in cold blood. i'm talking about evan ebel who killed colorado's police chief

and murdered a pizza delivery man and drove half way across the country before authorities even put a warrant out for his arrest. it doesn't add up. and our reporter is "outfront." >> reporter: he was serving time for armed robbery, prison disciplinary documents show he was anything but a model prisoner. in november 2006, this report describes ebel striking a staff member, threatened to kill staff member and family. in 2005, this report described another chilling account of ebel's rage saying he would kill her if he ever saw her on the streets and that he would make her beg for her life. this new information on his violent behavior combined with the revelation that a clerical error led to him being released four years early added anger to the ang vish of victim's families. the widow of the first person that ebel is suspected of killing. >> clerical error is not going to bring my husband back.

it's not going to bring tom back. it's not going to bring my children's father back. how do i tell my 4-year-olds, daddy was murdered because of a clerical error? >> documents obtained said it took colorado authorities five days to realize a parole ebel disabled the anchor monitor and fled. beginning what investigators say was a deadly crime spree that ended in a texas shootout. he makes a daily call to parole officials. eight hours later, the tamper alarm goes off on his ankle monitor. instead of investigating, they send ebel a message to schedule a repair. march 15th, ebel fails to call parole officials to make an appointment. march 16th, still no sign of ebel. not until march 17th did the monitoring company notify parole officials ebel failed to come in to have the ankle monitor repaired. it's the same day authorities believe leon was murdered. march 18th, prison officials contacted ebel's family to

inquiry about his whereabouts. the next day, police search his home and determined he left in a hurry or gone into hiding. they begin the process of revoking his parole. that night, clements is shot to death outside his home. march 20th, the state department of corrections issues a warrant for ebel's arrest citing parole violations. >> just a shocking story, marty. what can you tell us about the letter that you referenced but that evan ebel wrote where he threatened the officers in prison? >> yeah this is another one of the red flags. there seem to be so many of them that authorities apparently knew about a letter they confiscated the department of corrections and he appears to be fantasizing about murder. he is writing to someone on the outside about the abuse he claims he's getting from the prison guards. and he says, "i just fantasize about catching them out on the break and subjecting them to vicious torture and murder." authorities believe the fantasies eventually turned into

reality. erin? >> just an awful story and the time line there. thank you to marty. questions about our justice system. our front and center also across the country in new orleans today. federal court is looking at what is happening inside the city jails. this is shocking. this video is hidden away for years by the sheriff's department. we have it for you to night and in it you'll see inmates doing drugs, drinking beer, waving around a handgun. we have an "outfront" investigation. >> reporter: an inmate with a gun in a cell packed with prisoners. another appears to be shooting up heroin, all caught on video. on a cell phone smuggled into the jail. inmates free to roam, even leave. this incredible footage was shown in a federal courtroom in a laurt over how to pay to fix horrifying prison conditions. >> no gloves on. right by the shower.

>> reporter: the footage is several years old and recorded at the now closed house of detention. the southern poverty law center says this facility was not alone. many others just as bad in or leans parish are still open. they along with several former inmates sued the sheriff last april. he's in charge of running the jails. as shocking as it is to watch this video, reading the details in the lawsuit is just as disturbing. mental health patients denied care. inmates beaten by staff and raped by other prisoners. guards instigating fights. this father lost his 32-year-old son to suicide in the prison two years ago. >> hearing some of testimony and looking at the video of the jail itself, i cannot imagine the conditions of any human being living in those conditions. >> reporter: southern poverty law center and sheriff's office

reached a settlement in december. change was be made to make the prisons more safe. but change costs money. money the city says it doesn't have. that's why the case is still in court. the city's mayor says taxpayers are already investing more than $200 million to build new facilities. in a statement to cnn, the mayor said, i can not in good conscience cut invite am services or raise taxes to put even more money into an office where waste, fraud, and abuse run rampant. instead, he wants the federal government to step in and take control from the sheriff. >> he's aware of the conditions since 2008. and the conditions have gotten worse. >> reporter: all of this takes us back to a disaster the new orleans area just can't seem to fully recover from, hurricane katrina. in a statement the sheriff said these were temporary facilities he was forced to use after the

storm flooded perish prisons, eight of those temporary jails still house inmates today. erin? >> and now a plot to kill singer josh stone. two british men were convicted of conspiracy to murder and rob stone. the evidence against them included a samurai sword, body bags and notes that suggest stone was not the only celebrity in their sights. erin mcglocklin is out front. what can you tell us about this plot? >> the evidence in this case pretty incriminating both kevin liverpool and junior bradshaw arrested within miles of the singer's home inside their car. police found a stash of weapons including, as you mentioned, a samurai sword, two knives and inkrin naturing notes, notes that read, "jocelyn r.i.p." and "once jocelyn is dead, find a river to dump her." evidence found overwhelmingly

shows these two men traveled 230 miles across england with the intent to rob and kill the singer inside her home. a plot that police were able, thankfully, to put a stop to, erin. >> so, erin, what about motive? this just seems so bizarre. >> well, jocelyn was actually not the only celebrity mentioned in their writings. they also talked about r. kelly and beyonce. prosecutors say as to why she specifically was singled out in this plot, we may never know. some of the writings did mention her royal connections. she is a friend of the royal family. she attended the royal wedding. one of the writings referred to the queen as a she devil who likes jos stone. then again, we may never know, erin. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. how about this? do you care about sex scandals in politics? fair question.

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and we're back with tonight's outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight we go to berlin where 220 pound unexploded bomb from world war ii was just discovered near a train station. can you believe that? diana magnate is there. i asked her how they were able to diffuse the bomb. >> a 100 kilogram russian bomb unexploded since world war ii found two meters from the railway tracks where freight trains go to and fro the heart of berlin. they worked all morning figuring out how to diffuse the bomb. they managed to unscrew the fuse. it took 20 to 25 minutes and a standard operation. but it is standard because there are still thousands of bombs that lie beneath the soil of this city. the legacy of world war ii that still has the power to harm, erin? >> had a is just incredible.

thank you to diaandiana. let's get to anderson. >> the threat of a nuclear threat on the united states. is it bluster from a young dig da dictator or is the threat real? i'm also joined by a reporter that was in north korea that was there when they shut down the nuclear reactor that they're vowing to restore. we'll try to put this perspective. and crime and punishment, an arrest today in connection the killings of a kaufman county, texas, district attorney and his wife. it's not the arrest officials hoped for and the triggerman remains on the loose, authorities say. our legal analyst jeffery toobin joins us, former federal prosecutor and senior correspondent john miller, formerly of the fbi and lapd join me on why the killing is shaking the law enforcement community so badly. those stories, tonight's "ridiculous" and a lot more. >> and now our fifth story "outfront." standing with your other woman. well, former south carolina governor mike stanford was

celebrating his republican nomination for congress. a little something caught our eye last night. standing to the right -- i mean standing right there to the left of sanford, a very, very attractive woman, happens to be the argentinian woman who derailed the political career in 2009. you remember he went missing for a few days. the staff didn't know where he was. he came back to the states and announced he was hiking on the appalachian trail. but it turns out he was actually in argentina with his then mistress. but now she's not that anymore. they're engaged. to the surprise of many, including sanford, there she was. she got a hug and kiss from him at one point during the night. so does this help or hurt his political come back? out front tonight, our contributors. all right. great to see all of you. stephanie, mark sanford acknowledged that some voters will never be okay with this and never forgive him. he stressed he's a better man and learned if his mistakes. he talked to jay tapper earlier on cnn. here's what he said.

>> one thing that i consistently have done through this campaign is to acknowledge the fact that i fail back in 2009. we'll have different events in which we wish wedifferently, co have handled them better. but in fact they help us to ultimately refine our lives, make us that much better of a person, maybe walk out into the arena of politics a bit more humble than we were before. >> so does seeing sanford with his fiance and hearing him talk about being more humble make him seem more human to voters? >> you know, i think for women voters, erin, they're just going to go, yeah, now i remember why i thought he was such a douche bag. now i remember the whole story. he was he said hiking the appalachian trail and getting arrest general general tina tail. and he asked his ex-wife if she would manage his campaign. asked if she would manage his campaign! i'm thinking the woman's vote is gone. but i could be wrong. >> certainly had no shame in

that request. sanford is running against steven colbert's sister. democrats are obviously wasting no time going after mark sanford for his affair. so new york city christian gillibrand wrote a fund raising letter trying to go after him. do those attacks work, or will it backfire? and people say look, everyone makes mistakes, he found this woman he loves and is now with, and let's move on. >> fundamentally, special elections are like crazytown. republicans get elected in hawaii, democrats get elected in the deep south. dogs and cats live together in harmony, crazy things happen in special elections which is why the democrats are absolutely right to put their backs into t. here's the thing. even if they manage to pull off an upset in a district that voted 59% against barack obama in 2012, even if somehow they pulled that off, chances are she's not going to last very long in congress. another republican, another generic republican who is not like a sanford or not like

sanford's opponent, very weak, is going to come along and win back the seat. so, again, democrats go for it, pour money into the race, fair enough. but the truth is -- the other thing about mark sanford, he left office very unpopular for lots of reasons, this being one of them and also had tons of conflicts with other republicans in the state. >> fair point. >> so he's a smart guy, an impressive guy, but has a lot of baggage. >> yeah, well, how he treated his wife and family certainly was a big part of it. michael, sanford's fiancee, the beautiful woman is ten years his junior and some people, stephanie -- i don't know whether you think this or not. some people might say that would hurt him more. because not only did you leave your wonderful wife are, but for a younger woman. but you think this might help him. >> no, i do. at least you have put a face on it, and it's an appealing face. and to have this sort oh of secret argentinan mistress, he could have said i'm reaching out to latino voters or latina

voters, although i don't know if she has a path to citizenship. maybe her path is when they get married. but the point about this, the problem i have with mark sanford, first of all, i hope he wins. because he's running for congress, he's not running for governor. and i do agree with him far more than i would agree with elizabeth colbert busch. and i think he'll vote more conservatively. but the problem with what he's done is not what he did to his family three years ago and three-and-a-half years ago. it's what he's doing to his family now. he has four young kids. and i really wonder about the sickness that leads someone to believe that i am so indispensable that this is the only thing i care to do that i'm going to put myself and my fiancee and my children and ex-wife through this kind of examination again, just to win a special election. >> michael -- >> please -- >> i think that's absolutely true. it wasn't just the dereliction to duty to his family. first of all he left them on

father's day and secondly, left the state, didn't tell them. he's just like, dude, here's the keys to the governor's mansion, if i'm not back by midnight, i don't know, just govern without me. dereliction of duty to his job. i understand he might get some of the young male high-five dude vote. but the rest of the state, i don't know. >> stephanie, this means that you're not his soul mate. >> i agree with that. >> clearly not. as much as i'd like to be. >> and everyone let us know what you think about this. by the way, newt gingrich did this, max baucus, john mccain did it. plenty of people have had an affair, married the other woman and had very successful careers. let us know if you think it's okay. big score for animal planet today. i've been waiting all show for this. animalplanet.com has a feature called the kitten cam and don't tell me you don't know about it. since its launch in september, the shot of kittens, playing, eating and sleeping has been viewed more than 25 million times. i admit it, i have watched it. you can admit it too. these kittens are so cute that

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