now, let's get to "the point." >> tonight, you know the news. now, it's time to get to the point with cnn's margaret hoover. >> i spent four years working in washington in government service including two years in the white house. i wrote a national, best-selling book. >> donny deutsche. >> i'm chairman of deutsche incorporated. >> rick reilly. >> i've been covering the world of sports for more than 30 years. life is just like sports, only with less added. >> jason taylor. >> i played professional football for 15 years. i played for the miami dolphins as well as the washington red skins and the new york jets. i also majored in political science and criminal justice. >> i was named by "time" magazine as one of the top five female trial lawyers in the country.

and i'm the author of a best-selling book of how a driven woman changed her destiny. and i believe that strong women should be helping women all of the time. >> let's get to "the point". >> hello, everyone. welcome to "the point." you already know today's headlines now, let's get to the point of each story. donny? >> yesterday, the firing of the rutgers basketball coach was, get this, the sign of the wussification of america. >> america just passed the toughest gun laws. is the nra really winning in all of this? >> guess what just came out in a poll for the first time in american history wharks are people finally in favor of in this country? guess? smoking pot. >> and, in georgia, there is a high school that has segregate ed ponds, two ponds.

how is that possible in 2013? >> we're going to start with our top story of the evening which is a story about white supremacy. the question is, are white supremacy movements becoming more dangerous today. rikii, i know you've spent a lot of time on that. >> i think they are becoming more dangerous today. we have white white supremacy in the prisons, we have white supremacy outside of the prison. they have use of the internet and social media. that was not true back in the '80s. inside the prison, these are gangs that are racially segregated like blacks, like hispanic gangs used to be in the prison. some people still are, some aren't. but when you segregate the aryan brotherhood, they have more power inside. >> the prison becomes sort of a breeding ground, right?

>> no doubt. >> you want to get scared, go to this web site called stormfront.com. i went there, they have 130,000 registered members all about white supremacy. i think it's growing. >> so, in back ground, we're referring to the awful slaughter of the d.a. he and his wife were slaughtered just a few months after the county chief prosecutor was slaughtered. he was saying before his death that they had made a dent. rick perry today, put out a hundred thousand dollar reward. and, in colorado, just a few weeks ago, the chief of prison was slaughtered at his home. so it seemed as though, you know, nobody knows for sure. nobody wants to say. but the fingers are pointing at the aryan brotherhood. >> the russian mob, any horrible group has more power because of this. the thing to me tells me that they're going to be scarier than ever. to me, a group that says whites

are better than blacks and jews is about as backward of thinking of thought that we could have in the universe. as we keep getting more and more progressive as a nation, gay marriage, less white, whites are going to be the minority in the next two decades, they're going to get more and more and more entrenched. the further it moves away, the scarier it's going to get. >> i think you talk about the breeding ground. they're kind of incubating this stuff in prison. i think the way they're punished inside the prison walls and it's segregated and you have the blacks and the hispanics and the whites and they become so powerful. one of the ironclad rules are you have to kill a black or hispanic. that's part of their deal in prison. and there is no getting out of this gang. it's festering more and more in prison, the way they're treated, the way they're allowed to grow these gangs and create so much power behind these walls that once they get out, they're making warnings now. when we get out, we're going to get back at you.

we're going to make a big dent in society. the crazy thing is there's enough people in this country, still, and it's saturday that people still buy into this hate. >> something happened that really frightens me. when you have a united states attorney that is appointed by the president of the united states who decides that he or she would resign from a case out of fear -- >> happened tonight -- >> that's a bad thing. that's like saying we prosecute bad people because they're bad. but wait a minute, if they get too bad, we're too afraid to prosecute them? that is really shocking. >> i'll tell you the other thing that is going to continue to give them heightened awareness. i'm going try to say this the right way because it's repulsive. white supremacy sells on television. it is something that stops people. if you notice, there's this documentary. it is documentary after documentary and it's constantly specials -- >> doesn't it raise awareness?

>> yes, that's the problem. when you said there's a web site out there with a hundred -- i was going oh, now there's more people going to that web site. i'm just giving you an example. the more you put it out there, the more you start -- we have to do a job. but it's good television. and that disgusts me and scares me. >> but the reason i said it is because -- >> no, i'm saying that's in their favor. that's all i'm saying. >> i don't think people realize this concept of if you know something, say something? why can't this happen -- if you see some of them, almost all of them have a cross with the number 14 on it. almost all of them have an 88, which has to do with hiel hitler. if you see someone, say something. we need to be more aware, not less. >> people are going to be way too scared to say anything. when you have police officers killed in their homes, when you have state attorneys and people that are pointing to prosecutors to put them behind bars or attorneys stepping down from cases, you can't expect the general public to step forward -- >> people are afraid to talk about a period.

it's very dangerous. >> speaking of threats, north korea, again. pointing missiles. the new one is yesterday they warned the moment of explosion is approaching fast. they moved their missiles to the east coast, going to hit guam, going to hit japan. i never want to minimize any type of threat. but in the world we live in right now, in this post 9/11 world, to me, talk about empty. this is just one more -- it's negotiating. when are we going to stop with the bull tips. nuclear threat, nuclear threat. am i crazy? >> no, i don't think you're crazy at all. you have a new government in north korea. he's 27, 28. actually, rikki was pointing it out. but a new government in japan, a new government in china, a new government in south korea. i agree with you, it's completely bitter. but what we have seen is while they've moved their military solutions over the east coast, there hasn't actually been a serious heightening of military action that coordinates with the military rhetoric.

all the analysts are saying oh, you just don't see more troops on the dmz. you don't see either movement. they actually have a national celebration coming up on april 15th. >> we can't do nothing. we have to take it seriously enough that there is an appropriate response. we can't ignore it. even if you might think that it's all bluffing. >> i do think it's all bluffing. i spent the day not long ago in norad, the underground facility. if a barbecue blows up in china, these people know it. they have an incredible system for anything that launches. and while we were sitting there, we were around the table. and the red button was right here. and they faked us out and pretended there was a north korea missile attack. and nthey had the thing shot don in like three minutes. by the way, they don't even have a missile that can reach hawaii. they barely can reach alaska. and now, experts are saying those missiles were probably fake done by a set designer.

look at these things. >> rick, it's interesting you used the word sensors. i think one of the reasons north korea gets over-exposure, it's like a bombville. >> it's a very simple, visual demonstration of evil. >> while we may be safe here state side, they can't reach us. but there are people in south korea, guam, japan. there is enough foreign and domestic personnel in there that are in harm's way. i think he's just crazy enough. >> but then we'll have to scale back doing that for fear that

they would misinterpret that. >> that's when secretaries of defense and secretaries of state are for. if he's bargaining, if he's looking that he wants something, what does he want besides a conversation? >> could we put him back up on the screen? i don't know. call me crazy. but that degree of unpredictability is what becomes frightening. >> this is why you never send dennis rodman somewhere. he leaves, three weeks later, they're declaring war against the u.s. when we come back, how did you guys like the '90s? they might be coming back when we come back on "the point." i'm telling you right now, the girl back at home

would absolutely not have taken a zip line in the jungle. i'm really glad that girl stayed at home. vo: expedia helps 30 million travelers a month find what they're looking for. one traveler at a time. expedia. find yours. with the innovating and the transforming and the revolutionizing. it's enough to make you forget that you're flying five hundred miles an hour on a chair that just became a bed. you see, we're doing some changing of our own. ah, we can talk about it later. we're putting the wonder back into air travel, one innovation at a time. the new american is arriving. we replaced people with a machine.r, what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it?

hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest.

he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade.

all right, so you see hillary clinton signed a deal with simon schuster. it's going to be $8 million. her first book in more than 11 years. by the way, next month, bill clinton is getting an award from "glad" even though he was the one that put through the defensive marriage act, can he now completely rejects. so my question to yall is are we ready for more clintons? >> have we taken a break from the clintons? it's a continuous stream. beginning in 1993 all the way through. it's like the never ending story. >> what's interesting is the s part. i think it's going to be a fascinating piece of history. hillary will be our next president. >> wow. >> just imagine -- no, guys, she will be. just imagining her and bill

together because this guy is not going to be in the background, i think that's fascinating. and say what you want, politically, whether you like bill clinton or not, this is a brilliant man who has his arms around the world. and the two of them together, boy, i don't mind seeing them in the front seat of the car. >> this is actually paid for like by the hillary clinton advertising campaign. >> no, seriously. one of the greatest presidents of all time as her partner, with a very successful secretary of state. now, it's not a hoover, of course. it's not a descendent of the hoovers, but it's as close as we can get to that. >> i think it's driving for hoover's global humanitarian belief. >> there you go. >> i do -- look, i feel like we deserve to give them a break. and, frankly, i want a break from it. i think most of america wants a break to talk about the clintons. but we can't help ourselves. we go to the horse race, i think one thing will be interesting when she writes her book, go watch what state she wants to promote. is she going to iowa to sell a

lot of books? >> why shoultn't she? if her desire is to run for president or even the possibility that it's a glimmer in the back of her mind, which i assume it's in the front of her mind, why wouldn't she go to iowa? why wouldn't she go to all of these places? there is no question that the clintons are two of the great political opera tiff ins the country. >> me, too. >> they have kept their fundraisers together. they have been constantly on -- in motion looking to what may be ahead of them. and they learned a very difficult lesson in 2008. you have bill clinton now being very active in endorsements in local city government races. endorse someone for mayor in the city of los angeles. this is all i predict a way to get their bodies in motion. >> if you're asking me, are you ready for more clintons? hell yes. it was the longest peacetime expansion in our economy's history. he balanced the budget. and, by the way, plenty of secretary of states have become

president. jefferson, madison, monroe, quincy, adams, van buren. i personally think she's too old. i don't think it's a good idea -- >> oh, you're going to be in trouble. >> i said that about romney. i said that about mccain. it's not a fe mail thing. >> did you vote for reagan? >> did i vote for reagan? >> i'm just saying, he was older. >> of course not i didn't vote for reagan. >> clearly know, the president and the first lady kind of set a cultural tone for the country. their marriage has been anything but the average marriage. echbl their relationship now, that's a partnership thought. i worked on the clinton campaign. and i saw some things up front. >> no, no, no, this is back in '92. but for gender roles in this country, and all the thing that is we talk about, if that is ever the first couple, it's going to be fascinating, its effect on us, as a society. forget politically. it's going to be a true seminal

moment for how we act in this country. >> let me ask you this, if hillary clinton was the president, what would she do about gun laws? advocacy groups are calling the most comprehensive gun reform. they require background checks, they hired assault weapons to the band list. but my question is, there's been more pro -type gun law -- gun legislation than there has been anti. since newtown. has the nra kind of taking the lead in this? or are they winning? >> there's a reason. i want to puts up the front of an nra magazine and read this. this is what's happening. it says only you can save our guns from king pinocchhio. why american gun owners must stand and fight. the reason, i believe, the passion to keep guns, i think, is a higher level of passion

than the people to take guns away. i think the level of fight on that side, emotionally, is more charged than the same people around this table who want to pull back on guns. so i think that's why they're winning, actually. >> well, the closer you get, physically, to a tragedy, like a newtown, like an aurora, colorado, like arizona, the more you are passionate about gun control or gun reform. the farther away you get, the less passionate you are, where as the nra has managed to continue to pour money to galvanize support by playing upon those passions. i mean, we saw it in the last election, let alone in recent times, of the whole idea that if you vote for obama, he's going to take away your guns. >> not true. >> of course it's not true. but it was what they said. and to put the fear of god into it. >> let me tell you, i am passionate about this. i had three guys on my softball team with kids at column bien.

my sign was in aurora, the day of the shooting. it happened at night. espn and jason and those people write newtown. this has affected me personally. i was really depressed until yesterday. connecticut closed the gun show law loophole. they finally said you can no longer buy these magazines with 30 bullets, a hundred bullets. by the way, we've been talking about this for about four minutes, since we started this subject, adam lanza shot in five minutes. five minutes, she was shooting the whole time. so when states like arkansas say hey, we just made it easier for you to carry a gun in church and when south dakota says now teachers can pack, people, we're going backwards. we can do this. you can keep your guns. but you don't have to be crazy. we don't need to make it convenient to hunt human beings. >> so i think the point is where has the break down been at the federal level? these are all state initiatives. there has been a breakdown at

the federal level of being able to get something done that people agree on. and we know there are things people agree on. 89% of republicans are in favor of it. i know if you think hillary clinton was -- >> i don't think so. i think when i go back to that magazine, the irony in this is the nra is winning this. >> it's early. >> listen to me. -- >> i'm just saying. the frosty to protect guns outweighs the frosty to -- >> and why is that? the founding of this country was established on the second amendment -- >> well, that's why it is. to the people that have their guns, it is their definition of who they are as people in americans to the people that want them taken away. we're very pash nats when it's 10 days after newtown, 20 days. when everybody goes back to their lives, we have conversation, we talk about it, it's not gyrating here. >> well, for the people who are

gun owners, it's a part of their life. i got my first 20 gauge when i was 12 years olgd. it's part of your life. it's a sportsman culture. it's a very different culture you're talking about, urban elites. the wussies. the werks ussification of america. just a little tease for the show. some north carolina lawmakers want to establish a state religion. no, it is not jude yichl. is this constitutional? we will get to it when we get back to "the point."

north carolina legislators are decided to submit a resolution. it's going to establish a state religion in north carolina. christianity will now be the state religion of north carolina, if it passes. is this constitutional? rikki? >> no, it is not. >> why isn't it constitutional? >> well, first of all, if they're thinking this way, they may as well secede from the union. but we've tried that one before, too. it is not constitutional because the first amendment to the united states constitution has a provision that says that you cannot establish a religion. >> okay. so but we all know, historically, that the states, when they first joined the union, when they first -- in the early infancy of this country, maryland was a catholic state. rhode island was a catholic state. certain states had establishment clauses. and, somehow, this was permitted until around 1947, is my understanding, when there was a case that the supreme court then applied the establishment clause to all of the states. am i close, judge?

>> i think that that's really pretty accurate. very, very well done. you get an a +. >> so you don't want to go back to 1947? >> no. >> you're talking about guns and the states going in different directions, one more example of how you continue to be two countries. it's so stunning. every social issue is so amped up now, obviously, when it comes to re-election -- >> let's clear how this came about. there's a rowan, north carolina. and the aclu filed a lawsuit. so this is -- it begins this cycle of insightment, right? so there's this backlash where they say we're doing to double down and make it the state religion. >> but this doesn't pass the clause. it's so preposterous. >> so i don't have to be worried, there will be kosher delis all over north carolina? >> what an insult to all of the great universities down there. the idea that somehow we can

pick an "unofficial" religion. by the way, which christian religion? what are we going to pick next? an official nfl team? this is the same state that it took a supreme court ruling for them to stop banning interracial marriages. it's a little scary to me. i hope it doesn't gain any ground. >> this is my whole thing. like you said, this isn't going to happen. in this day and age where there's so many big issues, does this not look like grand standing to you? they're just grand standing. they're not going to get an official religion. >> i think some people are quite serious about this. >> i'm sure there are. there's a lot of people serious about the aryan brotherhood, too. it doesn't make it right. i understand they're trying to throw back to the aclu and being religious. you have the freedom in this country to practice whatever religion you want. good for you. you're going to have an official flower, color and flag. >> jay, to your point, and i don't want to point the finger

back at us, but the stories that make sexy media stories are the ones that are the extremes. that's the problem. >> but it's still mind boggling. >> no, no, no, of course it is. our point is 20, 30, 40 years ago, all of the nonsense on the complete ends of the axis is going on now because there are so many hours to fill up and they make the most provocative discussions. they actually get heightened. so there's this weird irony. >> but by calling them out, we're punching them back. >> it's not like a dumb me argument. it's like jason bringing up the point like why are we talking about it -- >> they're doing those things, so we will. >> well, i don't want to really go and say that every state is doing a bad thing. but let's look at his second southern state that is doing a bad thing. >> listen, when i used to try cases in the south, i used my middle name because i could get a lot farthparfarther when they me rikki-joe.

when you look at this situation in georgia, i was actually shocked when i read this. they have segregated proms. and they've had them forever. so when you look at something like that, isn't it time that someone says so what about tradition? let's get rid of tradition? >> yeah, i mean, we're well passed that point of trending with -- a lot of traditions are gone for a reason. martin luther king, jr. went through a lot of things to get a lot of things changed in the south. how this went on for so long without it coming up and being extinguished, hold on, let me finish, is beyond me. we're talking about the aryan brotherhood and segregate proms in the south. it boggles my mind. we've come so far. >> you're saying it's coming from the kids. >> from the kids and the parents. the parents are allowing these kids -- and the school kind of steps back and says oh, we're not organizing it. we're not sponsoring it. it's the parents and the kids.

>> isn't that the problem? shouldn't they step up? >> it absolutely is the problem. somebody needs to step up. that this can continue to go on in 2013 is just absurd. >> we actually have a sound byte. take a listen. >> it's traditional thing. we don't need to change and stuff like that. i'm like, but why? no one could answer my question. >> and they think that nothing is broken. so why fix it? >> i was talking to a buddy of mine. he said in the '70s and '80s, there was no segregation. he was like huh? >> can i just explain this is a very isolated -- >> i'll tell you what's going on here. the school doesn't put on the prom. the different -- the different families put on the prom. and they've always had a black prom and a white prom. but finally, these four kids said wait a minute. because for the first time, they elected a prom king and prom queen. the king was white, the queen was black. so they said let's combine these. the queen was not invited to the white prom. so they're saying -- so they're

trying to throw this chicken dinner to raise enough money to have a integrated prom. now, this is where the school is at fault. they put up posters saying come to our chicken din other and we're going to raise money for the prom and the school made them tear it down. that's where the school is at fault. it's an old tradition. it's time to change. >> i say the school should step up. the school should really take responsibility here. the idea of saying well, you could have two proms, as one of the students said, that's pretty lame. and whatever it takes, whether it's a private donor to come in and finance this integrated prom or whether it's to bring a teen idol or someone in, you were talking last night about jay-z. i bet you in jay-z came down there and was going to be there -- >> ip thi think we all should j send them ten bucks. just send ten bucks to this chicken dinner. >> we don't want the chicken.

we just want to -- you could micro-finance this. everybody could send a little bit of money. >> speaking of chicken, our good friends over at fox yesterday, one of the commentators, said that the firing of the rutgers basketball coach is a symbol of the wussification of america. >> finally. i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is! cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast.

all right, we obviously all know about the rutgers coach getting fired yesterday. waiting for the other shoe to drop as for as the a.d. and the president. >> this is an example of our culture in free fall. i'm saying because he got fired, not because what he did. there's no question he should never have used gay slurs. that's against all rules. but i'm not sure that's what got him fired. i think going after one of the kids is what got him fired. listen, it's time to toughen up. talk about the wussification of america? wussification of american men? this is it. >> wow. >> i know. he's a good guy. what are you saying, as far as i'm concerned, is crazy. something is getting left behind. the coach, more than anything, was incompetent. if you have to do that -- >> to physically abuse your

players? >> that's even getting buried there. but, eric, come on. the numbers are good over there. you don't need to do this. i mean, help me out, mr. wuss, over here. >> so does that make mike rice a tough guy? because he can do that? if one of these kids had stood up for themselves and threw a ball back or punched him, they would have been gone. off the team, no scholarship, out of the school, have to go somewhere else. now, try transferring to another school. why did you leave rutgers? i knocked my coach out because they threw a ball to me. outside of eric murdoch sending this tape to espn -- >> never would have been cut. >> then this tough guy would have been abusing wussies. >> by the way, chipper jones said this same thing today. the atlanta braves star. he said toughen up down there. he was for this guy. >> chipper jones plays baseball. there is nothing tough in baseball. chipper jones, next. next.

anyway. >> who else has something to say? tipper? bowling? those guys are on my list. >> i'll tell you who had something to say, former players came out yesterday and today and said it was brutal. depending on traffic, he'd be out of his mind. if he had a fight with his wife the night before, he would do even worse things than we showed on espn. this guy was a bully. and how can eric whatever his name is, support this guy. and eric bowling has one kid: i hope that this knuckle head, rice, becomes his trainer. >> you really don't. >> i really don't. >> go ahead. now, you're the expert. >> i'm not an expert on coach beating. but -- >> no, on things you shouldn't do. >> he has a hundred thousand dollars bonus that he's due for. that's the question. contractually, he's due this bonus.

let me say this, in sports, increasingly as you go through high school into college and professional, some of the language isn't what people would like to hear. it's coaching. it's a very tetestosterone-driv sport. we understand that. we use it, too, as players. and i don't have a problem with some of the four-letter words that -- homophobic words and all are terrible. we're not talking about the yelling. it's the physical. you put your hands on me -- i'm just glad i did not go to rutgers. >> one of the things that's really a question here is it's simply a question of ethics. i'm married, as you know, to a former police chief. and we often used to say policing isn't pretty. but you know when you look at the tape was what that police officer did, was it ethical?

and that's the perfect analogy for me. i don't need to know what a coach would do in that situation. i know enough when i see that tape that i know that's not right. >> and by the way, the coach -- it was the marquette coach. he was very successful. they have a thing, this boot camp thing, where the kids were puking and passing out. i mean, they couldn't go through it. so nobody's saying, you shouldn't be tough on kids, particularly athletes. we know anybody who is in the service, what they go through. but, eric -- >> come on, you've got the whistle. >> we know where the line is. and that was across it. >> by the way, kevin ware should have gotten up and walked off on his own. i mean, this guy, what is he going to say next? >> he obviously has no idea. >> remember we were talking about the clintons? i think the country, according to a poll that just came out, if something's going to happen to finally allow bill clinton to inhale. we'll talk about it when we come back. >> and it's in colorado. >> and it's in colorado. and maybe the country. of course, i had no idea what it was.

i felt like my feet were going to sleep. it progressed from there to burning like i was walking on hot coals to like a thousand bees that were just stinging my feet. i have a great relationship with my doctor. he found lyrica for me. [ female announcer ] it's known that diabetes damages nerves. lyrica is fda approved to treat diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is not for everyone. it may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, changes in eye sight including blurry vision, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or skin sores from diabetes. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, and swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who've had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. having less pain... it's a wonderful feeling.

[ female announcer ] ask your doctor about lyrica today. it's specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. to hear more of phyllis's story, visit lyrica.com. has the best pickup coverage in america. with a new 2 year, 24,000 mile scheduled maintenance program, a 3 year, 36,000 mile, bumper-to-bumper warranty, and the 5 year, 100,000 mile, powertrain limited warranty. we've got you covered eight ways to sunday. come to think of it, sunday, too. right now, chevy truck owners can trade up to a silverado all star edition and get a total value of $7,500. the dependable, reliable chevy silverado. what's the "new" in the new new york?. a new property tax cap... and the lowest middle class income tax rate in 60 years...

and a billion dollars in tax breaks and incentives. new opportunities for business. over 250,000 new private sector jobs were created over the last two years. and 17 straight months of job growth. with the most private sector jobs ever. lower taxes, new incentives, new jobs, now that's news. to grow or start your business in the new new york visit thenewny.com our largest selection of lobster entrees, like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. now, buy one lobsterfest entree and get one 1/2 off with a coupon at redlobster.com. stay top of mind with customers? from deals that bring them in with an offer...

to social media promotions that turn fans into customers... to events that engage and create buzz... to e-mails that keep loyal customers coming back, our easy-to-use tools will keep you in front of your customers. see what's right for you at constantcontact.com/try. so this is called "the point" not "the joint." but i've got a marijuana story for you. this is an odd name for a company.

they said for the first time, in the history of the country, americans approve of the idea of legalized marijuana 52-45%. it's never been that high since 1978 when it was 48%. only 10 years ago, it was 33%. so my question is is this is a tipping point? >> you know, look. clearly, the status quo is not working in the drug war. so there's a very strong argument to be made for legalizing and taxing marijuana. at the same time, i have a very hard time with the message it sends to children. parents are really going to have to step it up. advocacy campaigns are confusing this stuff all of the time. it's legal. >> am i wrong? am i misguided? you know, when a child -- when

childr children's brains are developing, this notion that they can have unlimited access to extraordinary amounts of marijuana decays their environment. >> and it goes -- >> i was shocked. can we rewind the tape? >> it's the same reason we don't have to relax the fcc's reason on words. why do we need to push it? i know it's crazy. people trenching in a white supremacy because the country demographically is moving more progressively. i don't think -- i don't think we've got to push it along. it's my feeling, personally. >> if new york were to pass it, what would you do? >> oh, by the way, this is a clip. maybe before we go we'll have margaret passing a joint on "bill mawr show."

you seem very comfortable with it. >> i'm a good actress. >> i think that there is an argument to be made. i'm going to do it from my husband's point of view, not necessarily my own. but i do think law enforcement figures would say this. marijuana today is not your children's. marijuana, meaning your parents' marijuana, i should say. the marijuana of 1960 does not have anything near the thc content of the marijuana today. this is a far more potent drug. and please, in particular, look at it as a gateway drug. and the difficulty becomes this. if you start to legalize marijuana, what is the next? do you legalize cocaine? do you legalize heroin? is the argument precisely the same? >> they polled that exact question and most americans now say, and i think they realize correctly, that it's no longer a gateway drug. it's no different than booze. you have to be 18. you're not just going to give it to your 7-year-old at a birthday party. >> but you and i both understand

in colorado, you can walk into a coffee shop and get it. it's prevalent. if you are a kid, you're under 18 in colorado and you want to get pot, it is very -- there's no -- >> you know what the scary thing about pot is, kids are, today, it has been drilled into them to not drink and drive. i don't understand kids understand how dangerous smoking and driving is. >> and it's not readily available. >> marijuana, from what i understand, there's a lot of people that spoke at different age groups. this is the big baby boomer drug. well now they get in the gen-x people and the millenials, their drugs are changing. ecstasy and heroin, it is still big, but there's so many more exotic drugs, so to speak. what are we doing in 20 years? are my kids sitting here saying let's legalize cocaine? ecstasy? or any of these crazy,

outside-the-box drugs. just because the status quo isn't working on law enforcement, you know what, we can't beat it, so let's just legalize it. >> it's about freedom. we realize it's not a gateway drug. that's what i'm saying. it wouldn't be against the law. >> you know what, if we can't control it, just legalize it. what's next? i mean, really, what's next? >> you're equating pot with banks? >> i'm equating it with crack cocaine. i'm sorry. >> no, don't be sorry. i liked your point. i want to raise an economic point. having lived in california for seven years before i returned to new york, as medical marijuana became legal were what we saw were these strip malls where the deterioration of businesses in the strip malls because of the people hanging out at the strip malls looking for someone to get them marijuana was really a sad state of affairs. >> it's true. we have a lot more crime in

colorado from people robbing the pot stores. but we can work on that. >> just a litting work. >> you can't control it, just legalize that, too. >> rikki, what's next? >> speaking of the munchies, there is a mcdonalds in new england that now has a new requirement when it's going to be hiring. it wants you to have a college degree plus more. we'll talk about that in a moment. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ [ indistinct shouting ] [ male announcer ] time and sales data. split-second stats. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ it's so close to the options floor... [ indistinct shouting, bell dinging ] ...you'll bust your brain box. ♪ all on thinkorswim from td ameritrade. ♪

from td ameritrade. cheryl burke is cha-cha-ing in depend silhouette briefs for charity, to prove that with soft fabric and waistband, the best protection looks, fits, and feels just like underwear. get a free sample and try for yourself.

for being with us here on the point. we'll see you next time. >> good evening, everyone. tonight, north korea ups the ante again. but how real are the threats? there's been a lot of reporting about this. tonight, some badly needed perspective. we look at the reality. also tonight, late new developments in the murder of tom clements. colorado's prison chief. two persons of interest with white power connections armed, dangerous and on the loose.