guests. treating them like vips. josh and patrick know they only got to see what the government let them. but they say it was worth it. they came back with an opinion that will surprise some. >> i truly believe that north korea was not quite as crazy as the rest of the world seemed to think it was. >> reporter: david mckenzie, non, beijing. that's it for this hour. thanks for watching. the news continues now on cnn. "outfront" next, president obama travels to connecticut and stands with the families of newtown victims to push for new gun legislation. but is it way too late? plus, first it was bill, then it was hillary. will chelsea be the next clinton in public office at the national level? and rising tensions in north korea where the u.s. fears a missile launch could be days away. let's go "outfront."

good evening, everyone, i'm aaron burnett. "outfront" tonight, make or break on guns in america. the president's last best chance on gun control late today, just 50 miles from the site of the newtown shooting, president obama stood surrounded by families' victims and said he is fighting for them. >> connecticut, this is not about me. this is not about politics. this is about doing the right thing for all the families who are here that have been torn apart by gun violence. it's about them and all the families going forward so we can prevent this from happening again. that's what it's about. >> that's what it's about. but is it already too late? "outfront" tonight, mark glaze, director of mayors against illeg illegal guns and larry pratt.

"the new york times" calls gun owners of america an influential force and says it is this group's lobbying blitz that helped explain the background checks remain elusive. larry, let me start with you. this is a make or break week for the president on gun control. it's now or never. he had that speech today in connecticut. we just played a little bit for viewers. tomorrow, of course, senate democrats say they're going to talk about when they're going to bring their bill to the fleer. there will be families lobbying on the hill. how confident are you that can you make this a break moment, not a make moment for the president? >> well, we're cautiously optimistic. we think we should have the yoets. there is a number of democrats that have to run for re-election next year who come from republican states. i think they might replace some of the missing republicans who are not necessarily going to be on the reservation when the vote come. there's been a parliamentary

setup. wednesday morning we should know whether the filibuster is going to hold or not. >> so, you know, this could all fail. part of the problem here is what happened between newtown and now to american sentiment. fewer people support a lot of gun control measures, background checks they do still support. all in, more americans disapprove of the president's handling on gun control. it's now half of americans disapprove of how he is handling it. so will the president be able to get this done? >> sure. i think so, in part because the president actually has done the right things and will do more of them. secondly, wbecause as you say, get away from questions on gun control and get to background checks. larry managed to ginn up 11% of the public who doesn't think that everybody should get a background check which is the same percentage of people that think elvis is still alive. kudos to him. i think we're going to get i done. >> larry, those were tough words. he's right. 91% of americans support universal background checks for all gun buyers.

and, you know, according to fbi data, i want to ask you about this. there is a terrorist watch list in this country. individuals on that terrorist watch list were involved in fire arm or explosive background checks. 1,228 times from 2004 through 2010. 91% of the transactions were approved. totally legal. you can be on the terrorist watch list, go in, buy a gun. isn't that a case in point for why we should have background checks? >> let's start with the public opinion polls. that survey and others are showing that also nearly the same number of nra and gun owners of america members support the universal background check which is really a gun registry system. and, in fact, we polled our members after that data was published. and we found that an overwhelming number of them disappro disapprove. only 4% approve. 5% of the nra members. >> did you ask them if they wanted a national gun registry,

larry? is that the question? >> they know what the deal is. they're not buying it. we don't let you speak for us. you seem to have enough trouble getting your message across. i think we'll work on our own ourselves. i'm sorry, erin, what was the other part of your question? >> i want to ask you why someone on the terrorist watch list should be able to get a gun because they have. >> sure. >> they passed background checks. >> once they have been taken to court and afforded due process and had an attorney and expert witnesses and so forth, then we don't have a problem. >> these are people on the watch list. >> but that list is sort of like voodoo. nobody knows how the name get on the list. nobody knows exactly what they've done. they haven't had due process. now if you want to live in a dictatorship, fine, do something like that. we don't think that's the way america wants to work. >> all right. so you're okay with that. mark, let me ask you something larry said. he had a point. americans do seem to believe that a universal background check could lead to the government confiscating the guns. the concept of a registry.

48% think they could lead to that. 14% aren't sure. the numbers were high. they surprised me. some of the leftists say it's a few far right crazies that think the government is going to confiscate the guns. a lot of people think that. >> i think that tom coburn, the republican senator who has a problem with, you know, a set of laws that requires dealers to keep records when this give background checks is the way we've been doing it for four years. his explanation is people are worried about our government. they don't like awhat they're doing on debt. they don't necessarily like what it's doing on foreign policy. you can't blame people for being paranoid about this. the truth is, it's illegal to create a national gun registry. nobody wants to create a national gun registry. they require background checks for all gun purchases and effectively keep lists of people who have passed the background checks. nobody in california has come to take way guns. they had record gun sales this year. >> larry, on "60 minutes" they talked to some of the families whose children died in newtown.

last night on "60 minutes," a woman spoke about her daughter. she had a son and daughter at the school. she talked about the moment when they were looking and trying to find her daughter. so let me just play that for you for a moment. >> i got a text from jimmy. i have isaiah but i don't have lidia. so i was driving with my friend back to sandy hook and i just kept texting jimmy every 10 or 15 seconds on a question mark. and then anna? then anna xplamatiexclamation p. i don't understand why we didn't have anna. >> we know that background checks wouldn't stop newtown. there are changes in the law that might stop one of these horrible things from happening. would you ever want to stand in the way of that? >> these are magazines that people have used in self-defense. i think it's stunning that a government that is complicit in the murder of at least 400

mexicans through the fast and furious program designed to get guns into the hands of the mexican cartel is now hiding behind the parents of those at newtown and telling us that somehow they are the people to be trusted with our names and addresses. we're not buying that. we don't trust -- >> nobody is going to have your name or address, larry. >> excuse me. they tell dealers that when you go for a background check online, you're told that that data becomes the permanent record of the federal government. >> i must say, i have no idea what larry is talking about. >> of course you don't. you don't want to hear that. >> when you get a background check, the dealer runs that check. the government destroys any record of that check within 24 hours and the dealer keeps a paper record f that gun ever turns up in a crime scene, it can be traced to the person that used it in the crime. dealers are gun guys, dealers are not thugs. that's why the records are kept

for 40 years and nobody ever complains about it. >> the records are being kept in a registry on computers and clarksburg, west virginia, by the justice department, the very folks that ran fast and furious. >> not true. >> and that's unacceptable. >> not threw. >> all right. we'll leave it there, jae. gentlemen. thank you very much. we appreciate it. please let us know your thoughts on this tonight. still to come, another member of the clinton family could be running for office. i'm not talking about hillary. plus this sounds like a weapon for the future. the navy developed a stast the art laser and we have the video. and it's been described as the worst jail in america. a former inmate who is attacked comes out front to talk about what happened to him, what he saw in the jail. with the spark miles card from capital one,

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our second story "outfront" is chelsea about to join the family business? the daughter of bill and hillary clinton said she is open to running for office. this is what the 33-year-old told nbc's "today show." good right now i'm grateful to live in a city and state and country where i strongly support my mayor and governor and president and my senators and my representatives. if at some point that weren't true and i thought i could make a meaningful and measurebly greater impact, you know, i'd have to ask and answer that question. >> so will she make a trifecta for the clinton political dynasty? out front tonight, a conservative for the daily caller. we have with us the former adviser for the hillary for president campaign.

chelsea, politician? smart? ? >> love. she would have to bone up on the issues. it's not out of the question. nepotism. you say the word dynasty, erin. nepotism is alive and well. i fully expect in 20 years that tag romney will defeat george p. bush for the nomination. they will run against chelsea clinton. it will be covered by the grandson of tim russert and debated by irving crystal. so this very possibly could happen. >> you know, it sounds terrible when you say that. the only thing worse would be not one of those families. >> it could happen. >> what do you think? chelsea has a very high profile position at the clinton global initiative. i've seen her. i was with her in africa. she asked a lot of questions. she knows what's going on. she's been outspoken in legalizing gay marriage. she is doing that while trying to figure out what she wants to do. it also does set her up for a political career.

>> look, i hope every 33-year-old american is interested in public service. no one should be shocked that a young woman who grew up in a home that respected, honored and engaged in public service would consider that as parts of her potential future. but that is not a commitment to run for office. that is not breaking news. that is a young woman engaged in the world who just isn't going to limit herself and no 33-year-old should. >> i'm impressed she would consider it. after what she went through and her parents went through, i would probably rather die than run for public office. but anyway, i'm just saying. i know the bush daughters feel that way. they won't run because it's so salacious. >> that speaks to the honor with which both of her parents and people she's had the opportunity to meet place on public service. tlaen are lots of ways to serve. you don't have tone gauge in public service by being in elected office. >> interesting point. i want to talk about hillary clinton here. obviously, chelsea also talked about her mother running for public service a public office. matt, let me just ask you a question here. maureen dowd of "the new york

times" wrote about hillary running. she talked about her hair and how that could be an issue. and the way women look is still always an issue. and she said hillary joke that's people regard her hair as totemic and her new hair cut shows shimmering intention. she ditched the bun. she has a sleek layered modern cut that is glamorous. modern and glamorous equals hillary clinton. true or false? >> i don't think we can read into how she looks whether or not she's going to run or not. appearances and optics are always important. if she runs, she would be as old as ronald reagan. aids was an issue for him. she'll be 69 years old when she became president. i think more importantly, it would be an example of passing -- instead of passing the torch to a new generation, america will be going backwards generationally. and hillary very lickly could go up against someone like a marco

rubio who was young. so, look, i think that energy and youth could be an issue. >> all right. and for that point, what about rush limbaugh said that made a lot of people mad. it made him mad because at the time he said it, it was probably true. here's what he said. >> will americans want to watch a woman get older before their eyes? >> that's what he said of hillary clinton. you know what? there is truth in that. that's changed? >> listen, i think that there will always be people that care more about what's on the skin than what's in the brain. the reality is most americans are going to pick who serves them based on what they believe they can do for them and the kind of leader they can be. i think we spend all of our time thinking about how someone's hair looks, what the hem on somebody's skirt may or may not be, that doesn't really get to the issues. i promise you that other than good natured effort that anyone wants to be presentable and well groomed, that's really not something hillary clinton is

ever really worried about to my knowledge. >> thanks very much to both of you. by the way, everyone, let us know what you by this this c concept of a dynasty or nepotism. remember, there are only three bushes. clintons and we know there is a heck of a lot more kennedys. a massive six day auction by sotheby's in hong kong raised $208 million. one of the items in particular caught my eye. the mag pie's treasure nest clock. look at that thing. diamonds, rubies and a 104 carat oval tanzanite. a buyer paid more than $2 mill for it, three time the estimate. that brings me to tonight's number, $11 million. that is the most money ever paid for a watch. i'm not wearing one, you notice. they're much smaller and less ornate than the clock, the super complication watch sold for

almost $9 million more than and that was back in 1999, people. it's excessive. apparently some people like to spend excessive amounts of money on watches. there is a section of the financial times newspaper called how to spend it. you can imagine the kind of people who spend that kind of money, well, every week a bunch of us go through this magazine in shock and awe. hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars people spend on watches. look at these watches. every one of them, several hundred thousand dollars. at least. that is a cheap watch. most of us who look it up don't wear watches. we're not alone. according to a survey by y yougov.com, 35% of men use the cell phone as primary time piece. that doesn't bode well for the watch maker. you merely look after a watch for the next generation. maybe that person who bought the $11 million watch should resell it so he had they don't leave

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our third story tonight, modern warfare. so we saw this today and had to share it with you. the navy says it's going to point solid state laser weapons, more on that in a moment. it's going to be onboard american warships. it's revolutionary technology, more powerful and precise and less expensive than what they're using now. chris lawrence is "outfront" tonight from the pentagon. and, so, chris the first question is how do the lasers work? why are they so amazing? >> the thing that the navy is really touting here, erin, is the thing officials tell us is basically lasers run on electricity. so when you take a look at this video and see these lasers in action, what they're doing, think about the idea of having no ammunition. you don't have to load a ship down with a bunch of precision guided ammunition. the cost of this alone, they estimate to be about $1 a shot. compare that to the sending out

$5,000 a shot on regular artillery and you can get an idea of why this is so promising. when you look at the laser and what it's doing, basically it's sending the concentrated beam of light and they can control what it does, anything from dazzling the enemy sensors to actually injuring say a drone like you're seeing in this or going all the way up to full fledge destruction. >> i mean that's just -- wow. i'm watching the drone come down. pretty amazing. when you say it's electricity, i'm hoping that they have better generators than the carnival cruise line. that is a separate issue. i know they have other ways of powering. how big of a breakthrough is this technologically? >> some officials say this could be as big as gunpowder, basically and what this does. i mean basically it's sending a beam about the size of this dime, you know, into the air and what is especially good for going after the fast attack boats like iran has.

also drones. what it can't do, it can't curve. it can't go to the horizon. and it's probably not powerful enough yet to take down a jet or an incoming missile. but when you look at the fact that an interceptor missile costs millions of dollars if they could find a way to power this up to even, you know, a little bit -- to a fraction of what that cost is, you could be saving a lot of money. and that's something that russia and china have been heavily investing in. now for the first time the u.s. navy going to put a laser onboard a ship next year. >> seems like science fiction. thanks so much. appreciate it. >> yep. >> still to come, tensions between the white house and kim jong un continue to escalate. why some expect a north korean missile launch as early as this week. some call it the worst jail in america and a former inmate says that prisoners have drugs and weapons and comes "outfront"

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on our reporting from the front lines. we have new developments to night in the conspiracy case against osama bin laden's son-in-law regarding 9/11. defense attorneys representing him said in a federal court hearing in manhattan today they

may file a change of venue motion. the venue motion makes sense because it would be be extremely difficult to find an impartial jury in an area so close to the twin towers. part of the strategy is to delay the trial altogether. he has pleaded not guilty to charges he conspired to kill americans on 9/11. a propose am to tax marijuana in colorado could mean the green stuff is taxed at 38%. that's getting up there with the 1%. state representative dan pubon whoechlt chairs the committee trying how to implement the legalization of marijuana tells us the proposal includes two taxes each capped at 15%. that means it could be lower. the other 8% is the sales tax already at stake. there is a concern that 38% tax will mean users will turn to black market. he concedes that is a factor but points to washington state where he says whoa, a 75% tax has had a minimal infect he fact on the

market. jay z and beyonce are in the center of a controversy surrounding a trip they made to cuba. they were spotted in havana and two cuban-american members sent a letter to the treasury department demanding to know if they violated travel. it appears that jay z and beyonce got the green light to go from the government. the treasury department which grantsz license to travel to cuba ok'd the couple's trip as a cultural visit. it happened to be also during their fifth wedding anniversary. we're told because it was a cultural visit they didn't go to the beach. it is 613 days since the u.s. lost the top credit rating. stocks were up to day. investors are unsure about the company's future of j.c. penny. the troubled chain says the ceo is stepping down and that made the market happy actually. then the market got upset because they said oh, no. he's being replaced by the predecessor. that is not change. well, sorry. and now our fourth story "outfront." preparing for a missile launch. there are signs tonight north korea may be preparing to fire a

missile just in the next few days. this, of course, as the tensions between the united states and north korea continue to escalate. the south korean government says pyongyang may launch a missile as early as wednesday. and the news comes as a new cnn poll shows 41% of americans see north korea as an immediate threat, up 13% in just three weeks. we are "outfront" in seoul. the situation forced the top american general to cancel a trip he was supposed to come back to the u.s. to brief leaders here. he had to cancel his trip. how tense is it right now? >> well, it's tense and not tense at the same time. seoul is just one hour south of the dmz, a city of 11 million people, just in this immediate area. you can't possibly have so many people living this close in north korea without going completely nuts if you did not learn to live with it. so people here are simply living with it. they are used to having north korea say all the things.

they think of the country of being full of hot air and crazy. what's different now is that this is a bit of a different temperature. so the tension is a little bit higher. and here on the peninsula, people pay attention to what north korea does, not what they say and what north korea just did is pull its 53,000 employees out of a joint industrial complex. the fact that north korea is doing this for the very first time, closing this down completely, erin, is a sign that the young leader is willing to go a little bit further than his father. so a little bit more difficult to predict this sort of crazy. >> we're going to be joined by a former cia agent in moment. you've been looking at what people are doing there to prepare. what have you found? >> well, a lot of people do is they're kind of used to this idea of civil drills. they live with this. this happens almost on a monthly basis here in seoul. but in the surrounding communities, we actually went to a border city right near the border, 15 miles south of the dmz. and they were actually posting

flyers. these flyers have the markings of where you can go if there is some sort of a disaster, whether that be a natural disaster or some sort of impact from the north. so people are preparing for it in a quiet way. but if you talk to people, they don't really want to think about it because they are, again, so numb. it is so difficult to think about what would happen if north korea actually did launch something into south korea, the casualties would be unthinkable. >> they would be be unthinkable. thank you very much reporting live from seoul. one of the key questions tonight is what do we know about what north korea is going to do? is this bluster or different? former cia operative is working his sources. i know you've been talking to a lot of people you work with in the cia. they deal with north korea. what are they saying about this? >> they say it's different. they say that north korea's determined to have a deliverable

nuclear weapon. north korea has taken offense at the white house's actions. it's coming back at it, threats by general thurmond and the rest of us. and they are really worried about some sort of accident happening to trigger this or in fact the north koreans may make an attempt to make a statement by firing a missile somewhere. they think it's different. >> they think it's different. from an intelligence gathering standpoint, how much access does the united states really have? what do we really know? people have been making jokes about dennis rodman knows more than the cia. but how much do we know? >> we don't know much. the people i've been talking to, one of them it's just been in north korea, talked to north koreans. frankly, he didn't get much from them. north korean military can move large units without causing a spike in intercepts or anything. they can move missiles. they can launch them at a minute's notice. and frankly, as we've always been, we're blind to north korea.

it's nobody's fault. it's a hermit kingdom. they keep their own council, say whatever you like. but it's very difficult to predict what they're going to do. now we're all keeping our fingers crossed this is bluster. but, again, the korean experts i talk to are starting to worry. >> and that, obviously, as you say, is a big shift. that is different. and for the first time, bob, it seems like a majority of americans are perhaps coming to that point of view themselves. we look at the most recent poll. today, 51% of people in the cnn poll in this country says this situation will not be resolved diplomatically. that's pretty incredible. do you think that they're right? can the obama administration still resol of this-- resolve this diplomatically? >> we have to open communications. we have to recognize what they think are the legitimate demands. their leadership is isolated. they live in a bubble. they truly believe they're major military power and they can hit the united states and hit it hard. and, you know, we simply have to talk them back from this

position which right now we're not doing. this is not kind of regime that you say, listen, we stop talking to them they'll behave. they don't work that way. the koreans will do something if we don't quickly establish some sort of communications. >> all right, bob bear, thank you very much. now an update to an "outfront" investigation we brought you last week. it's been described as the worst jail in america. and the images from inside this new orleans detention center show why. inmates out of control, waving around a gun in their cell, doing drugs, and drinking alcohol. one of them even escaped to roam free on bourbon street. this video was shot by an inmate on his cell phone. it is a key piece of evidence in the lawsuit against the city of new orleans and the sheriff. "outfront" tonight, jamie hernandez, a former inmate. he spent 13 months behind bars in the orleans perish facility. when you see the video, i know it was filmed four years ago,

that was before the jail, the particular video we're showing viewers. was that still going on when you were there? and to emphasize to our viewers, you just got out last month. you have a very recent view on what it's like. >> absolutely. for every inmate on a tier, they would have at least two to three knives on them. so periodically check the tiers. they would come sign a book, walk right out the door. inmates would do what you would call a kickdown. you would get jumped by four or five inmates. i've been jumped twice. i've been assault the twice. i've had two surgeries in my face from one stabbing across my right eye. >> how did this happen? tell me -- you say people just had guns on them. most people think when you're in jail you don't have guns or cell phones, knives. you're saying there were plenty of all that? >> yes.

yes. you know, they get the drugs through windows. they take broomsticks, break the windows, take sheets, braid the sheets. they take the sticks and the sheets, throw them out the window. they call one of their family members or one of their friends on the street and they come, drop the drugs off, throw the package back over the fence and they pull it up. it is called fishing. i never participated in any of it. it's horrible. >> it's hard for anyone to imagine when look at the video. you zlib is still going on. a sheriff gave a press conference to talk about the allegations, some of the things you're saying are in the video. here's what he had to say about the video particularly. i want you to hear what he said so you could respond. here's the sheriff. >> the video quality looks like it's been greatly changed up. i don't know. i don't know what to say about that. >> it sounds, jamie, like he's implying the video was doctored.

>> right. i don't believe it. you know, the people who jumped me, they were never rebooked. one inmate that, you know, i was -- i never really wanted to fight anybody. i didn't come to jail to make friends. you know, i was fighting my charge. there are a lot of inmates there fighting their charge. and, you know, when you go to jail, you don't expect to be getting into fights or having to be afraid to go to sleep at night because you might have said something wrong that might offended another inmate and you're there alone. it's every man for himself. >> whether you say that you were jumped and assaulted, for -- what is the difference between the two? what happened? >> whether i say i was assaulted, the inmates were playing homosexual games. they would go to the showers, they come out the showers and

what they call punk games. they walk around the tier, you know, naked. they walk over to your cell and ask you homosexual questions. you know, i ignored most of it. the best i could. i tried to ignore most of it and they just thought it was a joke. they thought it was funny. those inmates are living like that. a lot of them are looking at a lot of time. and i guess it's just something that they have to get used to. >> the sheriff said, you know, he was in charge of the jail. obviously blamed the conditions on hurricane katrina and also on a lack of funding. how do you react to that? do you think that is true? >> i don't. a natural disaster has nothing to do with the training of deputies or the well-being of inmates housed in their facilities. they just don't go together. >> all right. still to come, the latest in the rutgers basketball scandal. the former athletic director is

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now let's check in with anderson cooper on what is coming up on "ac 360." >> president obama on his way back to the white house after emotional speech and live pictures there of air force one. an emotional speech on gun violence not far from newtown, connecticut. the question, of course, can congress get past the politics, get a deal done? our political panel weighs in including dana bash. this weekend spent time with a victim of gun violence herself, gabby giffords. it's not often you can say someone changed the world. margaret thatcher certainly did. tonight we'll talk about that legacy with two people who lived history with the former british prime minister. we're talking to a firster first lady, nancy reagan and james baker, former reagan chief of staff and treasury secretary. also chief international correspondent. those stories and the ridiculous at the top of the hour. >> thak, anderson. and now our fifth story "outfront," gone. rutgers former athletic director resigned for $1 million plus. not bad work if he can get it.

he may have lost his job after this video was released by espn which shows former coach mike rice shoving players and bee ra -- berating them with anti-gay slurs. when he became aware of this video in december, according to a settlement agreement will get $1.2 million in salary, a car allowance, more than two years of health insurance, and because i don't want to leave anything out, an ipad and a laptop. all right. this is "outfront." our group joins us g to have all of you. this is a interesting situation. dean, let me start with you. is this a typical severance package for an athletic director at a school like rutgers? >> my new dream job is to be an

a.d. and then screw up and get fired. they want to avoid any lawsuit and to cap damages. it's over. now there -- you can fire him for cause. it would be lit indicated and in courts for years and talking about the scandal. this puts the scandal behind him and ends the whole issue. >> and they just signed him. i'm looking at the terms. bulletly bullet here. is this atrocious? should this be stopped? or is a contract a contract? once you violate it against rutgers, the whole country's contracts are going to go up in flames. >> i'm not outraged by this. college basketball is a $6 billion a year business. urban meyer signed a six year, $24 million contract. these are huge jobs. but here's the thing. who doesn't make any money out of the deal? the players. these are players who, look, kevin ware, look at what happened to that guy's leg. it is going to change his whole life and they're going in there just really putting themselves in danger a lot of the time and

they don't get a darn thing out of the deal compared to these coaches and everyone else making huge amounts of money off of them. so fair enough, you have a severance package. bhaut about the want to ask yo about what's in his contract. first, stephanie, let me get to you. initially, pernetti tried to keep rice on staff. he fined him $50,000, suspended him for a few games. when he found out about the video in december, then when it became public via espn recently he changed his mind. but only after it went public. so what were they thinking when they came to these terms for the resignation? >> you know, i don't know, erin, because let's leave aside the homophobic slurs at a college where a young gay kid killed himself. this is assault. we just watched the video. is that not assault? whipping basketballs at people? this is pretty egregious. this is not just bullying and homophobic slurs. this is assault. the fact that he's getting a

$1.2 million payout and free health care? wouldn't the rest of us love to get that? we have all these republicans screaming about being fiscal conservatives including chris christie and really, a million two of taxpayer money is going to this guy? >> reihan, let me ask you this. it said in the contract the university may terminate mr. pernetti for cause. if you're terminated you don't get $1.2 million. it's pretty clear he brought shame and disgrace to the university which is why he's resigning now. >> dean explained, you can go ahead and litigate that for years and years and years and guess what people will say? they'll say gosh, to make a point, you wound up spending six or seven or eight times as much on the litigation as you would to buy the guy off? it's not very tasteful but again, the larger issue is the whole economics of this business is totally crooked. >> all right. chris christie weighed in on this, as stephanie indicated. here is chris christie today in classic style. >> what parent would let this

animal back into their living room to try to recruit their son? after this video? >> all right. he called him an animal. lot of people might agree. that's what you like about chris christie. but people are wondering whether it will hurt christie down the line. we found a great irony in this. chris christie yelling at a guy because of yelling at other people. take a look at a little bit of chris christie. >> yeah, you know what, first off it's none of your business. i don't ask you where you send your kids to school. don't bother me about where i send mine. >> you know what? you know what? let me tell you this. you know what? it's people who raise their voices and yell and scream like you that are dividing this country. we're here to bring this country together, not to divide it. >> i think all of our mothers taught us if we could avoid it, don't be stupid. so don't be stupid. get out. >> excuse me, sir. you were not in the room. let me answer the question. you were not in the room -- >> i've got the microphone, sir. >> sir, you said -- excuse me.

no, no. >> mr. christie, you had no idea -- >> let me finish. >> that's how if you're going to bully someone, it should be done. no need to wing a ball at them. >> that's how we communicate in jersey. this is how we do it. we argue and scream at each other and he's leading the polls 35 points over his democratic opponent in this year's gubernatorial election. this will be an issue, though, the money. because we have an 9.5% unemployment rate in new jersey. this guy gets $1.2 million. 20% of their budget is paid by state legislature, by taxpayers. so taxpayers will be outraged by this. 1.2 million, you're firing the guy essentially and i can't find a job? >> thanks to all three of you. let us know what you think. $1.2 million or as reihan and dean were saying, six or seven times that to litigate it. we were all very excited around the office today. we saw this headline. monkey chatter smacks of human speech. we got really excited, okay? that's what a researcher says.

we are as you know big fans of animals at the show so we were excited by the prospect of a monkey that talks like a human. that would be amazing, right? when we clicked the video, it didn't quite live up to our expectations but let's see if it does yours. okay. that's all right. it was just a couple monkeys screeching at each other. not exactly the human speech we were promised. when you speak of human speech you don't think of screaming and spitting and banging on the ground. then we thought about it and realized what the monkeys did sounded really familiar to us. >> you want to do the math? >> i do it all the time. >> entitlements. >> no. [ speaking simultaneously ]

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former british prime minister margaret thatcher has died at age 87. whether you agreed with her politics or not, there is no denying she had a remarkable life. for a decade, the mother of two and yes, she managed to have children and have her job, she had conservative policies, she led her country into a war, she led it through the war and she was re-elected twice. while her nickname, the iron lady, has been referenced a lot today, her gender didn't seem to be a major issue during her career, at least not to me. as a little girl, i watched her and her being a woman never crossed my mind. she was just a leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world, period. in fact, the coverage of her wasn't about her being a woman. and that's the ultimate inspiration. compare that with what america faces today, more than three decades after thatcher took power, we have not had a female president. in fact, we're still debating whether we're ready for one. wees