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latest satellite images of north korea and the intelligence assessment is, they likely completed all preparations to launch. the u.s. has pn poring over the latest satellite images of north korea and the intelligence assessment is, they likely completed all preparations to launch. an administration official says the missiles have probably received their liquid fuel, even though the u.s. has no way to confirm that information on the ground, the military is sending a clear message to kim jong-un, it's not when you launch the musudan missiles, but where. if a test missile flies out over the water, the u.s. pacific commander does not want it shot down. >> i would not recommend that. if we have any pre-determined, we should have a sense of where it's going to be aimed. >> if it's aimed over land near japanese territory, interceptor missiles could be used to destroy it. >> i would recommend action if it's aimed ought our allies. >> reporter: this launch could be different from previous tests when the u.s. had significant indications on what was about to happen before liftoff.
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>> i would recommend action if it's aimed ought our allies. >> reporter: this launch could be different from previous tests when the u.s. had significant indications on what was about to happen before liftoff. >> to understand the direction of a launch, where it was at. >> reporter: u.s. radars will calculate their trajectory of north korea's road mobile missile. but admits the u.s. won't know as much as soon. >> we're probably looking at being able to see it being if a general location, and ten to sense a launch. >> reporter: will north korea launch or stand down? locklear says it's hard to read kim jong-un. >> his father and grandfather, as far as i could see, always figured into their provocation cycle an off-ramp of how to get out of it. it's not clear to me how he has thought how to get out of it. >> u.s. officials say this time they're working under the assumption that kim jong-un will
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not issue a mariner's warning. that's sort of a warning to ships and planes in the area, don't be in this area during this specific time, because that's where the missile could land. it's also a warning to the world a heads-up, so to speak, that the missile launch is imminent. u.s. officials operating under the assumption that north korea may not do that this time. but bottom line, a missile that flies over the water, goes into the water, is just a test. >> they're worried, obviously, about the worst case scenario. chris lawrence at the pentagon. watching all of it unfold. it's wednesday on the korean pbz, the day kim jong-un has hinted he might begin to take specific action. and threats of war have gotten more urgent by the hour. cnn is in seoul for us right now. what's the latest there? >> caller: well, the countdown
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clock is on, because it's in the morning time, wolf, that south korea has seen these types of missile launches. in a rare move, what we heard from pyongyang and what is a little more concerning is a threat pointed directly at international visitors. another threat from pyongyang, but this time it wasn't aimed just at south koreans. north korean state tv warning foreign institutions, companies and tourists that for their own safety, take shelter and evacuate seoul and the rest of south korea. warning the korean peninsula may be headed toward thermonuclear war. >> i'm not concerned, not enough to not make the trip. >> reporter: vicky is in seoul for business. she's not rattled, even though kim jong-un's threats did get her to register with the sufficient embassy. >> that particular threat doesn't heighten the sense of danger, i feel, any more than
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just everything that's been occurring for the past couple of weeks. >> reporter: it has been a long couple of weeks, coming to a head now. south korea's capital bracing itself to see if the unpredictable leader in the north would carry out the threat of a missile launch. it's hard not to be worried, she says, but i doubt they'll attack. south koreans are numb to the onslaught of threats, but also well practiced in drills. where people in seoul practice citywide emergency evacuations. seoul is the city of 11 million people. one hour from the dmz. what all of these people know is if there's some sort of attack, they know to head underground. shelter, or the subways, which double as underground bunkers. seoul is a maze of underground concrete halls. but most of the residents don't believe they'll ever have to use them.
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why a south african native isn't worried. >> it's like it's normal to them. like crying wolf. >> reporter: hoping the talk stays just that, talk. south korean presidential office dismissing the latest threat against foreigners, saying that this is just more psychological warfare from the north. but certainly, people are paying attention as is the stock market. it continues to drop as does the korean currency. >> lots of concerns in korea, south korea to be sure, kyung lah in south korea for us, thank you. we're joined by the chairman of the senate armed services committee, sno carl levin. senator, thank you for coming in. >> great to be with you, wolf. >> i know your apparently had extensive hearings today with the commander from the region. the administration, we're told, is a launch by the north koreans of missiles is imnest. what are you hearing?
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>> it could be imminent. we have to assume there will be a test launch. the way they've tested previous missiles before. that's a totally different story, if there's an attack on a target. for instance. a couple years back, in 2010, north korea attacked the south korean ship, killed 46 south korean sailors. they've attacked with artillery, a south korean island. so whether this is a test of a missile, which is providing it's not targeted at south korea or the u.s. or any of our allies, providing it is aimed at the water just as a missile test, that's a very different deal than if it's targeted at us or our allies. >> what if it is the worst-case scenario, they target u.s. allies in south korea or japan for that matter? is the u.s. ready to take military action against north korea? >> we are. the -- our pacific commander
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today said that we are ready, with a variety of responses, and the south koreans, should there be an attack on south korea or us. but it's also clear, he said, that we can shoot down a missile that is aimed at us. those two points were made very clearly this morning, by admiral locklear, both that we can shoot down a missile if it is targeted at south korea or at us. but also, that we have -- that we will act. and we are ready to act in some proportionate way to an attack by north korea. >> because as you well know, senator, in 2010, the two incidents you mentioned when north korea attacked positions in south korea, including killing 46 south korean sailors aboard that warship, there was no retaliation either from south korea or the united states. what i hear you saying, this time there will be. >> this is what the admiral says, and i believe it's true. that is, that north koreans this time can expect that there will
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be a response. now, he didn't lay out what the options are, nor should he in public. but he did say very precisely, that this time it would be likely and expected there would be a response. frankly, i think it's obvious that the north koreans would face some kind of a response in the words of admiral locklear, and this time would not get off without that kind of response. it would be presumably proportionate in some way to what the attack is. we're not going to up the ante and have events spiral out of control, if we can help it. but north korea's not going to get off scott-free if they attack an ally. >> 50,000 troops in japan, 6,000 on the island of guam. and it raises questions, have they gone into a heightened state of alert? >> well, we've -- i assume they have.
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i don't know that for a fact, but i assume that they have. but we've also taken some other actions. there's been some airplanes that have flown there, flying over south korea, both b-2s, as well as there's f-22s, as well. there are b-52 -- there's a b-52 flight that has gone there. we have ships which have gone there, additional radars in place. so the united states has responded in kind of a firm way. we haven't used a hot rhetoric that the north koreans have. the heated rhetoric, which hopefully is bluster. and we, on the other hand, can't assume that it's only bluster. we have to be ready for whatever comes. and we are. >> senator levin, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> carl levin, chairman of the armed services committee. still ahead, i'll speak with the white house press secretary, jay carney, talking about the obama administration's secret communications with north korea. what's going on? we'll share with you what we
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know. plus, kim jong-un's rise to power. his pampered youth and mysterious family. and our own christiane amanpour and fareed zakaria, they're standing by with their takes on the latest threats from north korea and the u.s. response, our special "situation room" report continues right after this. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
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wireless is limitless. north korea now poised to test fire mobile ballistic missiles literally at any time without warning, that according to top u.s. officials. but the man with his finger on the launch trigger is largely a mystery. cnn's brian todd is here this "the situation room" investigating kim jong-un, his family for us, what else are you learning? >> we've learned ta kim jong-un may not have been the original choy to succeed his father. he's got two older brothers, one who apparently squandered his chance. the other seen as too weak. we're now left with an unproefen, unknown young man whose country has already tested nuclear devices. how did we end up with such a young dictator menacing the world? the twisted tale of a third son born to kim john il's mistress. sent to boarding school in
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switzerland, developed an affinity for james bond and the nba, hebs the recent dennis rodman visit. he spent virtually no time in the army when he was moved up to a general's rank in 2010. the eldest believed to be about 41 -- >> he made the mistake of taking his playboy lifestyle abroad. he was arrested by the japanese police in 2001 trying to go to tokyo disney world. the japanese police spent hours and hours with him. which means the cia and other intelligence services learned a lot about him. >> he's a gamblering, speaks to journalists too much for the family's liking. >> they can't kill him. but they can't let him run the country. he's not a reliable vehicle for the stalinist propaganda. >> then there's the mysterious middle brother. local media showed this photo, claiming it was him at an eric clapton concert ten years.
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>> they found somebody who was reportedly afeminity, timid. >> the young woman reported recently to be kim jong-un's wife, apparently a former singer. could she have any influence over him? >> is it possible she'll say, what about the north korean people? what about the starving people? maybe. that's certainly not the environment she grou up in. >> that helps experts figure out what kim jong-un's thinking now. >> what is he thinking now? >> the aim is to rattle us and frighten us, and also the chinese and south koreans. and distract us from implementing security council sanctions and other pressure on the north. >> green, who dealt with north korea on the national security council, says kim may also be trying to compensate for the fact that he's so young, 29 or 30. analysts say he's got to show strength with the military. >> he's trying to look as a young man of 30 in a society where age is respected as tough.
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so that's his way of looking to the generals like he is in control. >> but he may lose control if he cannot prou a male heir. his wife will be counted on for that to solidify a dynasty that some analysts say is on shaky ground. there were reports last year and early this year that she had been pregnant, may have given birth to a daughter, but nothing solid beyond that. >> we also know that kim jong-un has another relative that has significant power, influence in north korea. >> his uncle, heard to kim's late father's sister. he was a key player behind the scenes during the transition, while kim jong-un learned the ropes. analysts believe the uncle may still be running the government in large part, dealing with policy and things like that, while kim jong-un makes all the public appearances and deals with the maneuver. it's a lot of tea leaf reading, but you get some insights. >> u.s. intelligence obviously
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trying to learn as much as they can. let's get more with the chief responsibility correspondent christiane amanpour and fareed zakaria, the host of fareed zakaria gps. christiane, they believe now a test launch of north korean missiles could be imminent, and that north korea would not give the standard warning to shipping in the region, to aviation in the region. they're taking this very, very seriously. what do you make of this? >> well, obviously it has to be taken very, very seriously. i think, look, i've got the latest issue of the economists, which basically says korean roulette. and you see kim jong-un's finger on the red button. that sums up the ngs ati of the world right now. at a point where there are unprecedented threats. we simply have not heard these kind of threats from the north korean leadership for, you know, more than 20 years or so.
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so they are very concerned. i was fascinated by senator levin and indeed the admiral in charge of the pacific command, admiral locklear, who testified today, that they would not necessarily recommend shooting down a north korean missile unless it was aimed in anger and targeted either at the u.s. homeland or at allies like japan or south korea. that they wouldn't recommend shooting that down, because they are terribly afraid of miscalculation, and generating a wider conflict. they're worried also, because obviously the pressure is on south korea and the new president precisely because of what you were discussing, because they did not respond the last time their ship was destroyed, 46 sailors were killed. they didn't respond when the island was attacked. and so now they're concerned that the south koreans will have to respond if there is ap an attack that threatens them or their people. our producers in the region have been calling around and the latest information, you heard
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some of it from kyung lah, that none of the foreign embassies in seoul nor the u.s. embassy is telling their citizens to leave south korea despite the threats from -- the warnings from north korea. the same in pyongyang. embassies are not yet telling their people to leave. >> we'll see what happens over the next few days. these are critically important symbolic days leading up to april 15th. the birthday, if you will, of the founder of the north korean regime. what do you make, fareed, of senator mccain and some others who say, you know what, if they launch a missile, shoot it down. intercept it. destroy it. even if it's heading into the middle of the water. obviously if it's heading toward a populated area in tokyo or guam or south korea, that goes without saying. but just knock it out to make a point. >> i think it's a very good example of the difference between what a john mccain foreign policy would be and what president obama's has been. president obama throughout this
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has been trying to show some restraint. not to play into the kind of the yank your chain that the north koreans are trying to do. the north koreans are desperately trying to get attention, to get some kind of negotiations going, to get concessions. so they've been threatening, clearly like a child who keeps screaming and has not been paid attention to. they're screaming more and more loudly. yesterday they shut down the joint industrial park with the south koreans, which was actually in many ways a bigger issue. they're doing more and more things to get noticed. senator mccain's strategy would play into their hands. what they want is for the west to react to this, then they can respond to what they would see as an act of provocation. the trick here is to maintain some restraint. not to play into that dialogue, while at the same time reassuring the south koreans and the japanese, deterring the north koreans, i think it would be precisely the wrong thing. it would be a kind of silly tit for tat that would escalate in an entirely unpredictable manner, precisely what the admiral spoke about today.
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i think it would be a kind of hot-headed response, when what we need right now are calm, and steady nerves. >> both of you, please stand by for a moment. we're going to continue this analysis on our special "situation room" report. north korea only needs five minutes to hit japan and the island nation is ready with patriot missiles deployed. we're going to go to tokyo for a live report coming up. president obama's spokesman delivers a direct message to north korea. right here in "the situation room." mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004. the battle of bataan, 1942. [ all ] fort benning, georgia, in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation
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right now. stand by for reports from the region. it's now bracing for kim jong-un's next move. it could happen at any time. the big question right now, if north korea launches a missile soon, what -- where would it go? we're mapping out the possibilities and the threat of war. axis of evil, is iran's volatile leader helping north korea develop nuclear weapons or vice versa? i'm wolf blitzer, and this is "the situation room" special report north korean crisis. the world is watching north korea's every move right now, as we've been reporting a u.s. official tells cnn the regime could go ahead with a provocative missile test literally at any time, and without any warning. japan is dangerously close to north korea, and is on alert right now. let's go to tokyo, cnn's diana standing by with the very latest. what is the very latest, diana?
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>> reporter: well, wolf, japan's prime minister said he will do whatever it takes to protect the japanese people. that's why he's moved patriot anti-missile batteries right into the very center of the japanese capital. in the dead of night, japanese self-defense forces placed patriot anti-missile batteries in the heart of tokyo, in the concerns of a possible north korean missile test. those with homes overlooking the ministry of defense, waking to clacking machines of war in amongst the cherry trees. it's not the first time japan has deployed these missile batteries three times since 2009. every time north korea has announced it will launch a satellite. destroyers were sent into the sea of japan, too. it's reported the ships have deployed again. the government wouldn't confirm the maneuvers, reluctant in the words of the spokesman to
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disclose its cards to north korea. but analysts say japan is not a target as such. >> north koreans are not trying to attack japan, but to impress, or scare the americans. >> reporter: tokyo is just 800 miles from pyongyang. north korea has accused japan of blindly towing sufficient policy while attempting to striing u.s. territory. >> north korea missile. >> reporter: he says he feels the u.s. took their eye off the ball with north korea. focusing too much instead on the middle east, and on iran's nuclear intentions. >> miscalculation, featuring united states, north korea, the conflict.
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>> reporter: the patriot anti-missile batteries as much a symbol of reassurance of people like him, as a message of readiness for north korea's defiant young leader. wolf, if there is a musudan missile that north korea is planning to test, it would be the first tirm they have tested one of those. the concern for japan is if it malfunctions, which has happened in the past in north korean missile tests, there's a chance ta debris could fall down onto japanese soil. that is, of course, what the japanese self-defense forces have to be prepared for. >> obviously nervousness in tokyo right now. diana magna reporting. let's look at possible scenarios, where north korea might fire a missile and what kind of response that would trigger from the united states and its allies. tom foreman is over at the magic wall with the retired u.s. army general james "spider" marks. what are you guys seeing? >> we've been gaming this out all afternoon.
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here's north korea up here, south korea. the two capitals. let's say north korea in fact launch a missile, and it went out over the pacific and over japan. what happens? >> well, tom, instantaneously what's going to occur, is the telemetry of that missile will be tracked, what the arc of the flight looks like and what the intended target would be. instantaneously, we would pick this up. by sea, by ground, by air and by space. it ipt great target system. the japanese even have a cruiser part of this integrated radar system. >> if it was not headed to a target, but went to the sea, a test of the missile, would there be any response? >> there would be no kinetic response at all. we would not fire back. if we knew it was going to land harmlessly, we would collect intelligence and scramble ships to go find the debris to continue to collect intelligence. >> let's look at another scenario. let's say north korea instead
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with a missile or perhaps artillery started shelling some sort of target in south korea and specifically let me say a south korean military target. no u.s. troops involved, not a civilian target. what happens then? >> very important to differentiate between striking a u.s. facility in south korea or south korean facility in south korea. very, very important. and to minimize civilian casualties. what i think would happen immediately is the response is, north korea fires, the united nations command, the combined forces command of the united states and south korea would return very precise fire against that location of launch. not to escalate, but to maintain the dmz and the armistice. if they fire, we would fire back. >> simple equation on that. let's look at the one scenario that possibly gets much more out of hand, among the things that seem like they might vaguely be possible. what if north korea in fact did something, in this disputed territory, of who owns what,
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let's say they attacked a facility like this in a strong way, and tried to land their and essentially seize the property. what happens then? >> not unlike what we just discussed. if the north koreans were to try to occupy, the united nations would reclaim that. there would be a fight to get that island back. we have seen this specifically before. what might occur, we have to think about this. the 2018 winter olympics are in the town of pyonchung. >> you've been there. >> i've been there, physically walked the terrain. it's absolutely beautiful. this is where the olympics are. if north korea was to take aggressive action, that would cause an incredible international implications, and possibly reconsideration. is this where the winter olympics are really going to be held? six years there now. after the leadership here has
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had additional time to try to weaponize their nuclear capabilities. >> any indication even if they did this, that this would spark a larger war or would it still try to -- >> tom, the objective of the armistice and the cease-fire is to maintain the armistice. the presence if south korea is not to expand and reclaim, reunify the peninsula. it is to hold what we have. >> wolf, some of the ways it could play out if it continues growing in pressure the way it is. >> good explanation. thank you. up next, a message from president obama to north korea. the white house press secretary jay carney delivers that message from here in "the situation room." plus, the growing fear of nuclear cooperation between iran when you have diabetes...
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the obama administration said it's ready to respond to whatever happens on the korean peninsula. i asked the white house press secretary, jay carney, if the president has met with his top national security advisers. >> the situation in north korea and the developments that we've seen in the last days and weeks are the subject of the president's regular national security briefings, one of the subjects to be sure. it's something we've been watching very closely. and that the president is concerned about. and that is why, wolf, as you know, we've taken a series of precautionary measures in response to what we have been seeing out of pyongyang.
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it is also important to remember, wolf, this is part of a pattern of behavior that predates this current episode, that is reminiscent of some of the actions taken by the regime in pyongyang in the past, under previous administrations. and it never serves any purpose for the ultimate goal of the north koreans which is to improve their economic lot, and for the regime which should be -- their goal should be to rejoin the community of nations by proving that they are willing to abide by their international obligations. >> there's a report out there, josh rogan, on a blog, suggesting that a top u.s. official, a state department official met with the top representative of the north korean government in new york in march. is that true? >> well, wolf, we have always been clear that we have a channel of communications with the north koreans. and we utilize that channel. but the issue here is not whether or not we're having communications with north koreans, it's the north korean
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decision thus far to flout its international obligations, to engage in provocative rhetoric, and behavior that only heightens tension and threatens to destabilize the region. that's why we've taken the precautionary measures we've taken. it's why we are consulting regularly with our allies in seoul and tokyo. it's why we've been working with the russians and chinese to encourage them to use the influence they have on the north koreans to persuade the north koreans to ratchet down the ret oh ret and cease the destabilizing actions. so it is an all fronts effort here, and we're taking all the necessary precautions we have to. >> i asked the question about that so-called new york channel, the u.s./north korea u.s. channel. senator dianne feinstein said she hopes the president and vice president and top officials would engage with the north korean government. was that channel used in march? >> i can confirm broadly we have
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a channel of communications, wolf. we've been clear about that. but the issue here is, north korean behavior and rhetoric. there is a path open to north korea that would lead it to lessen the isolation that it currently endures, that would lead to greater economic prosperity, or opportunity for the north korean people. but that path lies through fulfilling its obligations under a series of united nations security council resolutions. remember, it was just last month that the security council unanimously, including the russians and chinese, endorsed a resolution sanctioning north korea for some of its actions in this regard. and there really is a concerted international effort under way to help persuade north korea to take the right path. >> has the president spoken on the phone with the leaders of south korea, japan, china, or russia, for that matter? >> well, the president has been engaged in general with
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communications with our partners and allies. but i don't have a specific conversation to read out on this issue. we have certainly been engaged with our chinese and russian counterparts as well as closely with our allies in seoul and tokyo on this issue. i don't have specific presidential communications to read out, but you can be very focused he's making sure we're taking all the necessary measures and working very closely with the japanese and south koreans as well as others to try to bring about a change of behavior by the north koreans. >> if they're watching you in north korea right now, and i know personally that they do get cnn international in north korea, what message would the president have to share with the leaders of north korea right now? >> that it is in the interests of north korea, in the interest of the people of that country that there be stability on the korean peninsula. and it is in the interest of the people of north korea that the
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regime fulfill its international obligations, and cease pursuing the nuclear weapons, and cease violations of its obligations regarding missile development and testing. if it shoozs that path, north korea will have an opportunity to rejoin the community of nations, and to increase economic development and opportunity in its country. but the obligations are what they are, and the united states is not alone, the united states is a part of a broad international consensus with regard to what north korea must do in order to get right with the world. >> jay carney, delivering a message to north korea from the president of the united states. we're going to get reaction to ta message from the white house to north korea. christiane amanpour and fareed zakaria are both standing by. we're back with christiane . i'm really glad that girl stayed at home. vo: expedia helps 30 million travelers a month find what they're looking for.
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there were benefits at the end of it. that is exactly the kind of message you want to convey, which is, we're going to be tough on this, we're not going to jump every time you yank our chain, but there is a path out. and we do want to see some path out. he also pointed out correctly that this is not a u.s. versus north korea thing. which, by the way, is exactly how the north koreans portray this. if you watch and read what you can about north korea's portrayal of this on its state media, it's entirely north korea against the big superpower. carney tried to place it in the context of other countries including russia and china that are agreeing that north korea has crossed the line and needs to start obeying international law. >> christiane, you've been to north korea twice, you've been speaking with your sources. what are they telling you about how the united states is dealing with the current crisis with china right now which clearly has a lot of influence with north korea? >> well, this is the central part of u.s. diplomacy right now. and you know that secretary
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kerry is on his way. he will this week go to beijing, tokyo and seoul and he'll be talking about what's going on. but particularly with the chinese, trying to see if they can narrow the gap and figure out, persuade the chinese that they have a mutual interest in stopping this behavior by kim jong-un. also, i'm told, and it's probably publicly known, that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is heing over there in the next couple of weeks and so will the cia. the idea is to, quote, have a deep dive into beijing and have everyone try to convince the top leadership in beijing that they hold the key, and that it's in their interests as well as everybody else's interest to get this brought back from the brink. you know, again, while they know, and jay carney said just a couple of minutes ago, that this is the way for north korea to step back. the problem is, does kim jong-un really understand this off-ramp as admiral locklear pointed out.
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i think that's a big issue. and of course, there is this new york channel, the state department while it won't confirm details of what was said does admit that that is still open, that channel. and that i know from personal experience this is a communications channel. they don't negotiate, the north korean representative is not authorized to negotiate and takes messages back to pyongyang and can take ages to get any message back. >> they have the -- u.s. has diplomatic representation through a third country in pyongyang. what do you make of the new york channel, fareed? u.s. officials meeting with north korean officials assigned to the united nations in new york. apparently nothing came of the last meeting in march.
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>> it's totally meaningless, wolf. in a regime like north korea, the decisions are made at the very top. you have to be negotiating with those people. look. there are other countries that have representation in north korea. and the crucial issue is, again, china. the real negotiation that has to take place is between beijing and pyongyang. the key person in that is kim jong-un's uncle and that dialogue is one we are unfortunately not privy to so i think that the secretary of state going to china, the chairman of the joint chiefs going to china helps a lot but fundamentally the chinese need to understand that there is now great danger of instability on the korean peninsula and, yes, north korea collapsing would be a big problem for china. it would be a big problem for the region. but even if they don't -- even if north korea doesn't collapse,
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there's a danger of instability anyway and north korea has become the driver of that instability. so simply propping up this terrible regime is not going to work. the chinese still have not come to that conclusion. at the end of the day, the chinese believe stability means propping up this regime. what we have to convince them and this is the task for yon kerry and for general dempsey is to convince the chinese that stability means in some way resolving this completely weird irks irrational, unpredictable regime, reining it in. otherwise it's not just the north koreans to do something, the south koreans might react. we need to get china on board. >> fareed, christian, we'll see you back here tomorrow. this important note to viewers around the world. watch christian's report on cnn international, nightly foreign affairs report and it airs weekdays 3:00 and 5:00 p.m. eastern time here in the united states.
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jill dougherty has new information. we'll share it with you tomorrow. this connection between north korea, cooperating with iran, on nuclear weapons, what's going on, stay with us tomorrow. jill dougherty's report coming up. and an unnerving message of north korea warning all visitors to flee south korea. what's going on? david mckenzie is joining us from beijing. david, china has enormous influence we are told in north korea. are they engaging in some quiet diplomacy right now? >> well, wolf, they're engaging in quiet diplomacy, certainly, but not out in the open. even though north korea threatened foreigners in south korea, there are many foreigners including chinese there and the chinese foreign ministry said they want peace, they don't want tensions, they want dialogue.
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no open criticism of north korea so certainly not ratcheting up in public any kind of pressure on north korea. that's many lawmakers in washington frustrated because, obviously they say china could be a huge amount of leverage on the north korean regime. wolf? >> what about the u.s./china level of cooperation with north korea is concerned? we know john kerry is heading toward beijing. what's the latest as far as cooperation or confrontation, as far as north korea's concerned? >> many analysts here in china have a very different take to what may be some analysts in the u.s. are saying, wolf. while the u.s. is saying china needs to push north korea, people here say this is nothing to do with north korea but all about the chinese/american relationship. they're not threatening beijing with any kind of rhetoric or threats of any kind of weapon attacks.
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so china believes that north korea is useful to them, it provides a buffer against u.s. and south korean forces and with this much touted pith to asia of the obama regime, they're nervous about anything to end the status quo. another friend of china or cooperation agreement with china is obviously the u.s. the huge trading partner. so if the u.s. believes this is important and they can apply enough pressure on china behind the scenes, that pressure from the u.s. towards china could get it to push north korea to end this rhetoric. but really china doesn't see much threat of north korea right now. if they do, they see a long-term threat and nothing in the immediate future. wolf? >> we'll stay in close touch with you. we asked online if north korea launches a test missile how should the u.s. respond? here's responses. bob on facebook says, we nd
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