tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN April 12, 2013 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
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decades. thank you for your service to the united states. remember, you can always follow what's going on here in "the situation room." you can follow me on twitter @wolfblitzer. thanks very much for watching. the news continues next on cnn. "outfront" next, north korea says if one of its test missiles is shot down, it will respond with a nuclear attack. should the united states shoot or stand down? the big story you may not have heard about, the american doctor that people are calling a mass murderer. a german hacker says he can bring down a plane using just a cell phone. we investigate. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. nuclear war is unavoidable. that's what north korea says.
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it's unavoidable if any north korean missiles are shot down. it says the country will respond with a nuclear attack. but can they or can't they do that? white house press secretary jay carney says they cannot. >> it is our assessment that north korea has not demonstrated capability to deploy a nuclear arm missile. >> but just yesterday, republican congressman said something very different during a house arms services committee hearing. >> voting from the unclassified portion which i think has not yet been made public, they say, "dia assesses with moderate confidence the north currentsly h currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles." >> so which is it? it's kind of the most important question in the world right now. joining me right now, republican congressman peter king. he sits on the house intelligence and home land security committees. good to see you, congressman.
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who do you believe here? >> the congressman is quoting from the report. i think as you go on in that report and also based on what others have said in the administration and the intelligence community, i don't believe that north korea has the ability to accurately deliver a missile. you know, they may have -- they may have mastered militarization. they still need to be concerned about stabilization and vibration as it leaves the atmosphere, re-enters the atmosphere. i don't believe they can send a stabilized missile to a target. having a nuclear weapon is dangerous enough. but as far as being able to deliver a missile, i don't believe they can. you know, we don't know for certain. all we really know is they cannot do it yet. >> are you concerned about our intelligence at although? you know, when you have the white house saying one thing, dia assessment saying another. i know that is how intelligence works. you get different assessments
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and try to figure out the bottom line. we heard from the former cia agents that they're not confident at all in the int intelligence we have coming out of north korea. the pentagon says we are confident. are you worried that we might not know? >> well, it is really two things. one as far as intelligence coming out of north korea itself, it is a black hole for intelligence. it's very difficult to get any sort of human intelligence out of north korea. as far as knowing, you know, the missile delivery system, that can be done through analysis and observation. so i would put them in two separate categories, missile intelligence and actual intelligence as to what kim jong-un is planning and plotting. i think based on the scientific evidence, even the dia, it reports, what it was saying is they still don't believe that they can accurately deliver a missile. >> some people are worried about that. i'm trying to figure out where we stand. the national security adviser recently drew a red line, here's
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where it is. >> the united states will not accept north korea as a nuclear state, nor will we stand by while they seek to develop a nuclear missile that can target the united states. >> but then defense secretary chuck hagel said something pretty different last week. >> they have nuclear capacity now. they have missile delivery capacity now. >> and then, of course, the vice chairman of the joint chiefs se says the missile could reach alaska and hawaii. haven't they passed the red line that was drawn? >> i would say probably not. the reason i'm saying, they're getting very close to it. i don't believe they can deliver a nuclear weapon through a missile. they definitely have nuclear weapons. i think the nuclear weapons could be, for instance, brought into the united states by ship. they could be brought into south
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korea through tunnels. so they -- and can probably be used against countries such as japan. so, yes, they do have nuclear weapons. they are not yet a long range threat to us. but, you know, that day is getting closer and closer. >> north korea says they're going to start a nuclear war if japan tries to shoot down the test missile. but, you know, they test missiles. the whole point of that is to improve technology. so one day you can hit the united states. you can hit guam. you can hit hawaii. should the u.s. let north korea go ahead and do the test that we believe they can do imminently or should the united states say, you said you couldn't do it. we're going to shoot it down if you do. >> my thought is shoot it down. i think the missile is going to land in the ocean. we can also get intelligence from that missile. that is something we factor in. japan sees it as a threat, then japan has the right to shoot it
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down. i think we have to decide do we get more out of shooting it down or is it better to have it land in the ocean in the water and then we can use that for our intelligence purposes. >> thanks very much, peter king, appreciate your time tonight. all right. "outfront" now, retired colonel cedric layton and david kong join me. good to have both of you with us. david, you just heard congressman king. he said my instinct is shoot down a north korean missile, but we have to decide if we don't shoot it down, you know, you might get more intelligence out of it if it lands in the water and learn about where they are in the process. what is the right thing to do? >> my sense is that the decision will be based on where the missile actually goes. like representative king says. one of the questions is if we try and shoot it down and we miss, it looks a lot worse than if we don't try at all. many of our missile systems haven't been tested in real wore
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situations. i'm not sure we want to use this was the first time. but that's a decision that's got to be made by the military. >> all right. that's an interesting point. you actually make me more scared. if we don't want to do it on a test because we're scared if we miss. what about when someone does it for real and we never tested an interceptor? >> yeah, well, i think the issue is in a sense like, you know, it's not necessarily to be scared. they can't -- they haven't proven the ability to hit the united states yet. the issue is actually how we're actually going to deter them when they have the capability already to destroy seoul and tokyo? so having a missile that works doesn't really affect the deterence equation. if they actually attack us, we will take them out. so in many ways, deterence is stable. i don't think will is reason to be worried. >> that's an interesting point. look, they don't want to be wiped out. they know that would happen. the white house says north korea doesn't have the nuclear missile delivery, right? obviously in contrast to the
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pentagon report which says they do. congressman king says they're getting closer. do you have confidence in the intelligence that the united states has or is there risk the u.s. is standing by while north korea walks over that red line? >> there's a big risk, erin. the reason i say that is because when you look at the fact that our human intelligence as congressman king mentioned is a black hole when it comes to north korea, we do have very good technical intelligence on certain aspects. but the problem is judging intent. and when you can't judge the intent, then it becomes very hard to determine exactly where they're going in terms of red lines in this nuclear case. so in this particular situation, i am concerned that we're going to miss some major indicators although we've been watching the north for over 50 years. it becomes very important to be very careful with how we assess this and to be very careful in how we tell our national leaders what is really going on there. >> and, colonel, you know, the former cia analyst wrote in "the
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wall street journal," you know, bill clinton saying all right, when north korea acted up, well, if you back down, we'll give you food aid. we'll give you money. and then george bush, after they got a nuclear weapon, taking the country off the terror sponsor list and giving them more food aid. and she writes, mr. obama should ignore the appeasement advice and relenting now and giving kim now will invite more dangerous behavior as it has in the past. she acknowledges that and you can really get to the brink. is she right? there should be no concessions. >> you have to be careful with that. obviously, diplomacy involves concessions and doing things that may not be palatable to a domestic political constituency. but the problem we have here is that north korea is playing both to the international constituency, us and the other parts of the six power agreement with north korea, you know, the nuclear piece that we're dealing with there. but we're also having a domestic constituency there. and that is whether kim jong-un
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is able to maintain his power. what he is trying to do is really create a situation where he solidifies the power base within the military and shows that he is strong against the united states. and, of course, those goals on the north korean side are important to the united states side. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. of course, that missile launch anticipated really imminently, could happen over the weekend. we're not sure. still to come, the dictator's wife. what we now know about the woman behind kim jong-un. plus, a teenage girl allegedly raped and harassed takes her own life and we have a major development in the case we've been reporting on. a german hacker says he can hijack a plane using nothing but his cell phone. and our shoutout of the night, this is great for a friday. a tiny dog beats the ultimate police.
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the world waits and watches to see what north korea will do and whether that missile will launch tonight, tomorrow, this weekend, the north koreans are celebrating preparing for the birthday of the founding father. we have a reporter in seoul tonight. what is happening in north korea right now? >> reporter: erin, every report that we're getting out of north korea, this is primarily out of pyongyang, is that the country is preparing for the 101st birthday of kim ill sung. we're hearing it is festive inside. people are planting trees and
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flowers and everybody is quite cheery and they are even inviting visitors in from around the world, the visitors they accept as well as preparing for the pyongyang international marathon. international as north korea can get. so we're certainly getting this feeling that it's not like a war inside, they're not preparing for a fight the but this is exactly the opposite of what north korea is saying, telling the world that they want to launch thermal nuclear war on the peninsula as well as telling foreigners all over the peninsula both inside north korea and outside north korea to try to get out of korea. so, erin, very much the typical north korean game. what they're doing and saying quite the opposite. >> that's pretty amazing. they're getting ready for this party and everyone there is celebrating but there are some military preparations going on, right, that you found out about? >> reporter: yeah, you are absolutely right. i actually want to turn your attention to this video that is quite rare. we don't see this all the time. this was captured along the north korean-chinese border.
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what you're seeing there are helicopters and parra troopers running through drills. something we don't see smot from the outside looking in of north korea. so north korea certainly keeping this military first posture quite high. and that's also something, erin, that we're seeing throughout the region, even though the united states and secretary kerry says they're trying to low the temperature. the military posture remains quite high here. >> wow. that video is amazing. thank you very much. reporting from seoul tonight. and now our second story "outfront," the woman behind the man, as we heard peter king say earlier, a lot of our intelligence about north korea and the new leader is like a big black hole. but anna corn has been able to gather some really fascinating information about one of the most fascinating people out there, kim's wife. >> reporter: sometimes saeen, never heard. the lady in red is the woman that is kim jong-un's wife last
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july. seen here touring a pleasure center, always a differentship step behind the great leader. >> very little publicly known. i know there was some reports that he had been married in 2009. there is speculation that he might even have a child. >> reporter: analysts say introducing the wife serves several purposes for the regime. it shows that the kim dynasty is already thinking about his next generation. and it helps kim jong-un come across as more personable and connected to the people. but at the same time, it gives the 28 or 29-year-old leader an aura of maturity. >> i think that announcing his marriage sort of just validates the fact that he is really a person who is an adult and can handle whatever it is that north korea has coming at it in the futures. >> reporter: little is known about her background.
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some reports say she is the daughter of an academic. there are rumors that she is now a mother, especially after she and kim attended a concert at which when a child is born was performed. but in the country when most people struggle to avoid hunger, she has no shortage of designer outfits. in fact, she's been seen clutching what appears to be a dior designer handbag at official outings, a brand selling forr e$1,000 and unattainable for every citizen in her own country. >> dennis rodman said he saw pictures of that baby and said it was a little girl. still to come, a major development in the case of a teenage girl who took her own life after being allegedly raped and harassed. plus, president obama releases his tax return. we went through them and we found something. and a popular television program airs an episode about a
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our third story tonight, case reopened. police have announced they are going to reopen the investigation into the alleged rape of the 17-year-old from canada who committed suicide after photos of the alleged assault circulated among her classmates. now police say they have new and credible information about the case that previously ended without charges. the lack of an arrest is one of the reasons that she was struggling emotionally. paula newton is "outfront."
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bullying needs to stop. >> reporter: there is little solace for some at this vigil, lighting candles, they tried to comfort one another. ♪ she is tired and old >> reporter: but in remembering ratea parse sons, they can't forget how she was let down. >> i wish the people would have stood up for her. more people should have fought for her and they didn't. and everybody who didn't should be ashamed. >> reporter: 17-year-old died after trying to hang herself. the canadian teen's family said she was raped by four boys in 2011 and then hue mill yalted and bullied after a photo of the allege incident was texted to high school classmates. canada's prime minister echoed the message of everybody. >> you're sickened. >> he went on to say that it's clear some bullying may now be crossing the line into criminal activity. in this time of reflection and
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rage, politicians, justice, and school officials are admitting they needed to do more. >> and it just cannot go on anymore. somebody has to stop this. we have to stop this. we hold accountable positions. >> this online petition adds thousands of supporters daily demanding criminal charges be filed and more. that people stop using words and deeds on social media as weapons of so-called social assassination. >> it's too late for atea. she's gone. but what we can do is take a look at how we failed her and make sure that doesn't happen for any other children. >> reporter: her funeral will be held this weekend and her family tells cnn although it is a painful few days, they are comforted by the fact that justice officials may yet file criminal charges and that so many now realize the pain their daughter endured. paula newton, cnn, ottawa.
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>> we continue to follow that story. there is another case similar to her's in california. police arrested three teenage boys in the alleged sexual assault of a girl nailed audrey pott. she is 15 years old and committed suicide after pictures of that attack were posted online. still to come, it's being called an abortion clinic horror. how did it happen? and why isn't it being reported? we have a special report from a to z on this story. a german hacker claim he can hijack a plane using only a cell phone. do his claims add up? and tonight's shoutout, a wild police chase in hawaii caught on camera. the suspect, a chihuahua. traffic cameras spotted the dog running along onest busiest highways in the state. police officers gave chase. they tried to corner the little guy but he kept getting away. guy tried to get out of the truck. he kept getting away. he kept getting away. this is what happened as a result of what you saw, that was
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." on a friday, we start with stories we care about where we focus on our reporting from the front lines. we begin with the president's pa taxes. his tax return came out today. he and michelle paid $112,000 on taxes on adjusted gross income of $609,000. that puts them at 18.4%. low and frankly almost kpet whiff mitt romney's rate in 2011. now nyu professor tells us three main deductions were responsible for the president's low rate, state and local taxes, home mortgage interest and the $150,000 the obama's donated to charity. maybe there is a reason he doesn't want to take away the home interest deductions. well, a rough day for carnival cruise lines. the ship fascination failed inspections and what inspectors found onboard was anything but
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fascinating. is that a baby roach? and the absence of a sneeze guard at the salad bar. in a statement to "outfront," carnival says all violations will be resolved within 24 hours and it's the first time they failed in the past five years. tensions rise in north korea and there is a call to strengthen american diplomacy. in an editorial that got me attention today, experts say the united states president are weakening the foreign service by making political appointments instead of filling positions with people with expertise. positions filled by diplomats plunged to 24%. as we reported on this show, about a third of current ambassadors are political pint appointees by president obama. according to a new report,
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70,000 refugee that's fled mali, there were four toilets for 12,000 people. now they don't use toilets in the same way in these camps. even so, that is abysmal. people are getting sick. we reached out to the u.n. refugee agency to set up the camp and haven't yet heard back. it has been 617 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we gdoing to get it back? the market rose 2% for the week, just shy of 15,000 on the dow. and now our fourth story "outfront." abortion doctor on trial. this is a disturbing story. a once respected philadelphia physician is on trial for murder. he was accused of killing seven infants and a 41-year-old woman while performing illegal late-term abortions. investigators describe the doctor's practice as a house of horrors. this is a case with allegation
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that's truly are unimaginable. >> reporter: the women's medical society seemed ordinary, a neighborhood clinic serving poor women in west philadelphia. the prosecutors say it was a mill for illegal abortions, at least seven babies allegedly delivered prematurely then killed with a scissors, a snip to the spinal cord. >> it was a house of horrors. beyond any type of definition and explanation i can humbly try to give. >> reporter: the accused is a once respected physical on trial for the murder of seven infants, plus the murder of a 41-year-old woman who overdosed on an thetices he allegedly gave her. the doctor was not board certified. latoya ransom is one of his patients. she describes his office. >> i seen blood on the table that he had the utensils on. >> police have been investigating him for illegally selling prescription
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painkillers. the price list shows he charged less than $2,000 to end pregnancies up to 24 weeks. the grand jury found in a 40-year career, he and the undercredited assistants who worked for him may have killed hundreds of viable fetuses. he allegedly destroyed most of his files. >> we should look back and see if the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt proves he did these things. >> he is facing the death penalty. for "outfront," new york. >> and the story continues. i mean they're saying on some of the instrument that's the women who went in that clinic came out with gonorrhea and chlamydia, one of the former workers said that when she had to kill a child that was viable, his face hadn't been fully formed, she heard a scream like an alien. it is unimaginable. the story came to my attention on twitter this week. some of you said look at this story. and frankly, it hasn't gotten much attention in the media at all it seems.
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a lot of people are asking why. i want to bring in cnn contributors. great to have all of you with us. why do you think it is the case, you know, that recently this case and the grand jury has not gotten coverage? >> i think there are many reasons. one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of folks who cover reproductive rights have been aware of this story. yet, it hasn't made it to the front page. i think there are a lot of reasons. think about the story of amanda knox, the young woman accused of murder in italy. that got saturation coverage. think of these stories that resonate for whatever reason because they connect to people and i that i what we have here is a situation which low income, poor extremely vulnerable women were just not considered much of a story. they were failed by multiple local and state agencies. they were even failed by organizations that are devoted to reproductive rights and trying to protect women. i think it's a very good thing that activists on the pro-life
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side and the pro-choice side said wait a second, they matter. their lives matter and we need to cover this story. >> there are many people out there as you're aware on the right saying, look, pro-choice people on the left who are not going to quofr this story. they're pro-choice and this hurts their agenda. it's such an awful thing. it will make people more averse to abortion. what do you say to those people as someone who reports on this issue? >> well, i would tell them, you know, come on down. we're talking about health disparities all the time. we're talking about the fact that the reason that women went to this clinic is because they did not have -- they felt they didn't have an alternative. even though abortion is legal, it cannot be covered by medicaid. as a result, even though, you know, abortion is safer and cheaper when it takes place early in gestation, these women felt they had no choice but to go to an unsafe provider. again this is a story about health care. >> this began in 2011. a lot of people in your work did work. >> and i would also --
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>> is this a left-right divide? >> in fact, i think it did make the front page. the grand jury report came out in 2011. there was tons of coverage. honestly, people who are not familiar with the case, i don't know where you've been. the case just started. there was a gag order in between where the lawyers were not allowed to talk to the media. but there are lots of reasons why people weren't covering it. i don't think it's a left-right issue. fox news wasn't covering it. conservative politicians started talking about it this week. >> okay. let me bring that part up, the fox news part. according to a source we did, there were only four national radio and television transcripts which mentioned his name more than three time. that is all we could find. two from fox news and two from npr. that does make the argument that this isn't only on the right, obviously. more like it's not being covered by anyone. >> that is correct. the "philadelphia enquirer" had
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300 stories in their press. and also in terms of the pro-choice groups, kate micha michaelman, she also wrote about this story and why this was a very important story. i think people have tried to bring it up to the national level. but as you well know, maybe it's not as sensational as some people believe it should be. i think when desperate women seek out, you know, help and they have so few options, poor women in particular and they are forced to go to someone like this provider, it should cry out for us to talk about abortion laws. it is after all a medical procedure. >> do you reject the argument made by media today, the allegation is there. they say the mainstream media have ignored this story because it makes abortion look horrific.
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>> you know, of course i reject that because your own evidence demonstrates that. the mainstream right-wing media with all of their various platforms online and other places, this is probably the only online institution that covered it. look, this was a failure. this was a horrible story. and there was a gag order issued. we should all acknowledge that this story has not been on the national radar by either the left or the right. >> all right. on that issue of the gag order which you mentioned. let me show you this picture. this is the media section of the courtroom. can you see what i see. you know cameras are not allowed in. but that is -- that is not coverage. right? that is not people in there bringing a camera and there is a gag order. there is no one there. >> look, there are certain trials that receive saturation
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coverage. there are certain incidents that receive saturation coverage because they seem to speak to a larger national issue. if you look at the trayvon martin incident, for example -- >> i think that, you know, it's very good thing that theres with some specialists on the issues who tackle them. i think it's silly to say that everyone is culpable. but it is true that there are some stories that resonate and we have to ask ourselves why didn't this resonate? why haven't we had that saturation coverage that we have for the other stories that we decide are more compelling. that is a real concern. >> trayvon martin resonated on twitter, too. >> that's a good point. >> and once it became a national story, then we started to have a conversation about it. >> i think that's a good thing. i think that actually speaks can influence the stories that s get covered. i think people have a voice and it's an improvement. >> thank you very much. i appreciate all of you taking the time. hopefully answering a lot of the questions some of you out there asking these questions, hopefully you got answers to
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that tonight. a german hacker said he developed the ability to hijack a plane in flight with a cell phone. it's a terrifying idea, something like from a movie. does it add up? tom foreman has a special report. >> reporter: a new app exploits a security weakness, mimicking a ground based navigation system and sending false information to planes in flight. a user can change instrument displays, make oxygen masks drop or take over the autopilot. at least that is what the inventor hugo tesso suggests. >> reporter: he is a pilot and security consultant says he tried to warn the aviation community about a potential
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danger. but many do not believe he can do what he says because of two key problems -- problem one -- his invention has so far been demonstrated only on a flight simulation program. federal aviation administration and european officials say cracking into the controls of a real airplane is much more difficult. therefore, a hacker cannot obtain full control of an aircraft. even tesso admits that. >> reporter: he also admits to problem two, at any time on any plane subjected to such an attack, the pilot can override the hacker. simply turning off the autopilot and taking control again. that's why aviation experts are widely greeting this news of a hijacking app with a yawn. >> well, if he's able to hack into an actual flight management
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system onboard an aircraft, that would pose a risk. but so far all he's done is hacked into a pc. >> reporter: so on your next flight, keep your seat belt fastened and tray table locked. don't worry about the guy on the phone. he is probably playing angry birds but he is probably not flying the plane. erin? >> thanks to you, tom. still to come, a popular television program airs an episode about a school shooting. is it too soon? and margaret thatcher's death continues to divide britain. more than two years ago,
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. all right. anderson coop we are a look at what is coming up on ac 360. >> we'll have much more on the doctor in philadelphia. his criteria for taking patients was the life or health of the mother, it was cash and whether they could pay. there were warning signs, myths and state regulators did nothing year after year. the doctor is now on trial facing eight counts of murder and the death penalty if convicted. we'll have more of that with the writer and director about a documentary. also ahead, north korea continuing the war of words.
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warning it provoked tokyo would be consumed in nuclear flames. secretary of state john kerry is in south korea right now. we'll go live there for a report on the u.s. response. all that at the top of the hour. >> all right, we'll see new a few minutes. and now our fifth story "outfront." too soon after the sandy hook shooting? the latest ep said of "glee" sebtered around a shooting inside a high school. >> let's get started. [ gunfire ] >> everyone spread out and hide. over there. >> the images of students crying, running and scrambling for cover were too much for some residents of newtown. here is the father of two boys who survived the december shooting. >> we're in a healing process here in newtown. and it's too soon for those of
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us so close to what happened on 12/14 in a it would have reopened wounds that we're trying to heal. >> some in newtown have a different view. the boyfriend of one of the teachers that died wrote on facebook, as long as it keeps the subject in the public's mind, i'm all for it. "outfront" tonight, a political comedian and a conservative commentator for radio. michael, let me start with you. was it too soon? >> no. i mean, first of all, it's been months. secondly, the newtown families are on tv virtually every day talking about the issue of gun control. i think that, look, what "glee" does is they try to engage what is on the public's mind. this issue is in the public's mind. i think the one thing i object to about the way they handled it is they go from the school shooting to the idea of gun control. again, this notion that somehow there is some direct connection between law abiding firearms owners and incidents like the
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one dramatized in "glee" or in newtown i think is very manipulative. >> interesting. it is a fair point there is no legislation out there that is past tense that would have prevented that vested adam lanza from that shooting. >> not even close. >> to me, it could have been more insensitive if they had sung the song's annie get your gun." you have to watch the episode. reading about it is not enough. the teachers are saying things, i love you, just like the teacher in newtown did. >> do you think it was a direct -- >> it's exploited. believe me, i ups why. this is not "law & order," this show. this is a comedy/drama show. it did bump up 20% last night, so it worked. >> i don't think that's necessarily fair. edon't think they did that just for ratings. if you look at the history of the show, they always address the socially controversial
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issues. so this is the lexicon of the things they write about. i thought the episode was pretty tastefully done. it was suspenseful, but you did not see any violence. >> it's so bad for the parents. any newtown parents watching their kids making the last videos of their loved ones on the phone, i can only think of the parents. >> the father you heard from earlier also spoke about what upset him specifically about yesterday's episode. let me play something he said. >> what's really upsetting is that no one, none of the producers reached out to newtown to let the residents close to this know that this episode was airing. >> michael, shouldn't they at least have done that? >> i don't really believe so. first of all, this is about high school skills, it's not about tiny elementary school kids. it's a different setting entirely. the truth is, we've had a whole bunch of other school shootings, and the knifing that took place, at the community college in
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texas. there was another school shooting today in virginia. so the idea that permanently, the families who, of course, everyone feels terrible for them. i'm sorry they've suffered so much. but there's been intent by some of the family members to control the dialogue. you don't think that's impossible on something like that that is a national tragedy. >> do you think there's a thing to the fact that they then turn to a conversation after this scene, to gun control? that they would be using "glee," watched by a lot of people, pushing one political point of view? >> glee is a very liberal show. it's a left-leaning show. you sort of expected that to be the next part of the conversation. and when you read the reports, you know they plan on revis tinge this plot line for the remaining four episodes of the season. i think we're just beginning to see the way the writers as well as ryan murphy feels about this conversation. but with that being said, that
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is also reflective of larger society. we also in the real world started talking about gun control soon after the track di. don't think that's out of the norm either. >> our politicians jumped in. and basically, this is what i hate. i hate -- >> not just politicians, though. >> all right. michael, i know you've got to go. >> including the president of the united states led the conversation in that direction. >> all of you have a good weekend. every night we take a look outside the day's top stories. for something we call the "outfront" outtake. the tributes have continued to pour in for margaret thatcher. members were paying their respects. but that's not what all of them did. a lot of people in britain have taken to the streets to openly celebrate margaret thatcher's death, drinking champagne,
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burning pictures and dancing to the wizard of oz song's ding dong the wicked witch is dead. thatcher's critics have organized enough so that not a lot of people could buy a lot of copies of the song and get it to number one. and secure four or five seconds of replay on the bbc radio's weekly music show. of course, there's something unseemly about celebrating the death of a person. what surprised us the most is the emotion displayed by the brits this week. the behavior caught us a little offguard. it's america that's supposed to be have a heart on its sleeve, do inappropriate things. when we stop to think about it, it might be the yanks who are the less exciting people. let me go to parliament for a moment where it began. >> first of all, the business secretary called the
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conservative european policy crackpot and absurd. >> yelling, screaming, real emotion. just compare it to how our lawmakers act here in the sufficient. >> what's clear is that the republicans are hell-bent on spending just for its own sake, no matter how mindless or senseless. we know the economy is slowly rebounding. >> they're so bored with each other, that the rooms are empty when they present their pie charts. has america lost its fire. the essay is next. the reason people on all seven continents are having a party on this friday night. ♪
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