>> that personnel could go into the consulate and find the evidence laying around. it's stunning. we'll be back one hour from now. another round table tonight. see who the special guest is. a lot to cover in the boston bombings, also the latest out of gitmo, the hunger strikes, what the u.s. should or shouldn't do about it. piers morgan live starts now. see you in an hour. "piers morgan live," welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. the latest on the boston bombing. the u.s. official said the suspects planned to carry out the attacks on july 4th, but the bombs were ready earlier than expected. and that u.s. official also said dzhokhar and tamerlan tsarnaev built the explosives in the cambridge apartment. a lot more coming up. also, breaking in the west, a wildfire destroying thousands of acres across southern california. the images are extraordinary and

authorities there say the situation's getting worse by the minute. a live report coming up. and tonight in the chair, a truly unbelievable story of a woman found alive after being declared dead. 11 years ago, brenda heist abandoned her family and vanished without a trace. now she suddenly resurfaced. what will her husband and daughter tell her? tonight they join me live in the studio. and they have company, the husband's new wife will also be with them. i've put that question to ben shapiro on the grill tonight. we begin, though, with the breaking news on the boston bombings and word the suspects wanted to strike on independence day. deb feyerick is live in boston with more. another dramatic development in this. that the boston marathon was their plan "b" if you'd like. these two brothers originally planned to strike as possibly a suicide attack on independence day. tell me more about that. >> reporter: one law enforcement official who has talked to susan candiotti, apparently dzhokhar

tsarnaev told investigators that he was being questioned by them following the arrest. he apparently told them that july 4th was plan "a," that's what they were thinking about doing. they were thinking about using some sort of device like a suicide -- the question is whether the evidence was actually recovered or whether they went and found plan "b," which were the devices, the pressure cooker devices they ended up using, but apparently they were able to build them and build them quickly and therefore they moved up their attacks to the boston marathon, a daytime attack. piers? >> his interrogation revealed more information about the kind of videos they've been watching involving some radical clerics. what can you tell me about that part of it? >> well, there are. there have been -- and investigators have been looking at a computer that allegedly belonged to dzhokhar tsarnaev, it was taken by one of his friends, the only friend that seems to have spoken to him the

night they fled. they were looking at the various videos online, who he communicated with. and there are, i'm being told that there are a number of interviews, a number of videos in which they are looking at training videos. so all of that right now is being looked at very closely by investigators. piers? >> deb, the body of tamerlan tsarnaev has been claimed. i believe working on the assumption that the tsarnaev family, possibly an uncle, is that right? >> reporter: well, that is one of the possibilities. we are told is that the body was picked up, we believe it was picked up in that van that you see that left the medical examiner's office today at about 5:25. the wife said she did not want that body. the body belongs to the family. we are told that an uncle had stepped forward to say that, yes, he would take the body. we don't know if he's the one that took it, the anunt in toronto or the sister in new

jersey. the medical examiner would not release any information nor for that matter would the funeral home which is about 40 miles south of here, piers. >> thank you very much, indeed. the second anniversary of the death of osama bin laden. and today an inspiring sight. a flag hoisted to the top of one world trade center, towering symbol of hope and strength as america continues the war on terror. joining me now dan rather. dan, great to see you again. >> good to see you. >> this boston bombing investigation, taken so many twists and turns in the last week or so. what do you think we're really dealing with here? could it be as simple as two radicalized young brothers working alone in one of their homes building bombs off the internet? or do you fear it's something linked to extremists in a wider circle of dangerous people? >> well, first of all, it certainly could be what you

the civil war has cost 70,000 people their lives. chuck hagel, the defense secretary says that the u.s. is rethinking whether to arm the syrian rebels. is that a good move for america, you think, to do something of that nature? >> my personal opinion, yes. time to very easy to get into these situations and once you're into them, it's extremely difficult to get out. read, iraq, read, afghanistan. and for those, every person who criticizes president obama for being slow to get into syria, particularly in the early stages

when there was request for no-fly zone and passage areas, some of that criticism may be warranted. but, again, there are limits to power. and the united states of america from time to time has to be reminded of the limits of power. we can't help everybody every place all over the world. now, in answer to your question about syria. it's my understanding that the israelis, for example are very concerned about trying to arm the rebels, help the rebels with their weaponry. because the question of who are these rebels? how many are al qaeda connected if any? what kind of government would happen to syria if we did go in? these are huge questions and we need to have a national debate about it. >> the big question is where this red line on chemical weapons in particular is drawn. the white house to u.s. senators assessed with varying degrees of confidence that assad's government used a chemical agent

sarin on a small scale. they have emphatically denied this. but if it turns out there is unequivocal evidence of sarin use, they have used weapons of mass destruction, chemical weapons and so on, obama would have to do something, wouldn't he? >> i don't know he would have to do something. the argument that he may have made an error in putting that red line in place may be a valid argument. but this is such serious business. i understand the question. i understand that the dilemma that not only the president of the united states is in but our country is in that you say, look, if they use chemical weapons, that's a red line and there'll have to be a price for that. but, again, what do we do? a no-fly zone sounds easy, but the first time an american aircraft is down, an effort to rescue the pilot, i just come back to you have to be careful what you get into because getting out of it is extremely

difficult. this syrian situation, when i say we need a national debate, we really haven't had a national debate about it. do we think that u.s. interests are such in syria that we need to go in and/or do we think that for humanitarian reasons we need to go in? big, big question, i wish i had the answers, i don't. >> all right. it's very, very complicated. dan rather, thank you so much as always. and you've got exclusive footage from afghanistan featuring the deal for the life of a 6-year-old girl, tuesday may 7th at 8:00 p.m. southeasteeastern television. a southern california wildfire, hundreds of firefighters are battling the blaze as it inches closer to populated areas. evacuation underway right now. with us now is paul white. thank you for joining me. tell me what is going on right now where you are.

>> reporter: well, right now the fire has left my home and it's on adjoining hills. i was very fortunate this morning to find a house, three very cool, very confident firefighters were relaxing and watching two or three-story flames in the back of my home. they then lit backfires and controlled it around my home and left when there was less danger. when i left this morning, there were nine acres of shrubbery due to be cleared out tomorrow by weed abatement and brush removal agency. and when i got home, there were none left. it all burnt down. so a day late, but can't predict fires out here. >> extraordinary. >> i'm very fortunate. >> from what you can see, mr. white, is it fear it's getting much worse very quickly? or do you feel like they're getting it under control?

>> well, i don't have much experience with fire. so when i pulled up to my home and i'm seeing flames in the back of the house, your natural response is adrenal and fear. but coming up on the fireman, they were quite cool and collected and felt they had a 95% control of the whole situation. very reassuring to meet people like that. people that are professional and know what they're doing. put me at ease. i remained on-site figuring if they were going to leave, i would be leaving too. they said that's probably a good plan. got pretty smokey and a little warmer than the 90 degrees. but my shrubbery is all cleared up. my house is still standing thanks to them. >> you hear the helicopters going. an extraordinary job done. it's amazing work they do. has the wind changed at all, mr. white? do you feel it's moving away now from the populated areas?

or is there fear that other houses are coming to into its radar? >> if you're asking me what's going on surrounding, the wind has been swirling today. it's changed directions a few times, made it more challenging for the firefighters. there's not a lot of -- well, there's a lot of old growth, but i think it's all brush and not a lot of big trees, so they were able to control it a little better than if it were larger structures. my understanding is no homes have gone up at this point and mine being included in that number makes me very grateful. right now they're still doing some work on the backside here. i think it's less homes and more open ground out toward the ocean. it's about two miles out to the ocean from here. and it's mostly very rugged. and i'm sure they're having trouble accessing it and using their planes and helicopters. they had used a pond in my backyard just off my property

and it was interesting to watch them dip down and load up after the burnoff had occurred. still have animals running around, fortunately, that survived the fire. and glad my family's well and so am i and the house is still standing. >> yeah. it's great that you had a very lucky escape. i'm very grateful to you and for joining me after all this. and i wish you and the family all the best as all this continues. thank you for joining me. >> a chance to sound off on tonight's big story and other news of the day. tweet your questions to me @piersmorgan. i'll respond at the end of the show. coming up next, an unbelievable story. a wife missing a decade and declared dead. the interview coming up next.

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there were people in the neighborhood who would not allow their children to play with my children because of what they perceived i might do. and that hurt me more than just about anything else. >> this is a truly shocking and moving story. that was lee heist talking about becoming a suspect in his wife's disappearance in 2002. and in a remarkable twist, brenda heist who has not been seen by her family in more than a decade and declared legally

dead turned herself into police last friday. she admitted walking out on her husband and two children living as a homeless vagrant the entire time. mr. heist, this is a really remarkable story. and i've got to say from the start, i've read all about this today and my heart goes out to you and your children. because i cannot imagine much worse than the experience you've been through. your wife disappears, their mother disappears, you're left to pick up the pieces. and you're considered to be the suspect. tell me your feelings when the detective who was the original detective on this story rang you to tell you that your life you presumed was dead was still alive. >> well, i was on a friday evening, it was about 8:30. and the detective called and said i have some news for you and told us he'd like to meet with us. and so he asked for my daughter and myself to come with him and

meet with the detective at -- restaurant. >> a restaurant. >> yeah. yeah. and so we did, and about little after 10:30, 9:30, we met him and started out with small talk because we know him and then jeff came right to it and said your ex-wife is alive. and we were both very shocked. my daughter immediately beca became -- i guess the word is um -- >> emotional. >> yes, emotional. >> i should point out to the viewers watching this that your

daughter is with you as is your new wife, because you remarried. clearly incredibly shocking for you, mr. heist. in terms of your emotions, they must be so conflicted. this is a woman you were married to. you were getting divorced at the time she disappeared. let me ask you this, do you believe her story? do you believe that she, as she claims, was upset in a local park and two people came along, got talking to her and said come hitchhiking with us and she did and ended up just living homelessly in florida? do you believe that? >> at the time i did. having heard that this past day or so, i've heard some conflicting reports as more evidence comes in. it appears that this may not be the same.

>> you were able to remarry because your wife was declared dead. now that she's turned up alive, do you know what the legal position is with your second marriage? >> yes. i am legally divorced from my first wife. i think it's been about five years since the divorce that i found -- that i met my wife. so i think it's perfectly legitimate. >> let me turn to you, morgan, because i've been reading your twitter feed today. in fact, the last few days since we discovered your mother was alive after all. and you've been, to put it mildly, very angry and very upset, which i don't blame you for at all. you were, i think, 8 years old when your mother disappeared. tell me how you felt then and tell me how you feel now.

>> um, i think when i was 8, i didn't really know what to feel. i mean, i was -- i felt -- i felt she would come home because that year i made her a mother's day card. so obviously i thought in the back of my mind she was coming back. and now, i mean, now i have a lot of different emotions. i'm mad. so -- >> do you want to see her? >> as of right now i don't. i don't think she deserves to see me. so i don't really have any plans on going to see her. >> what do you feel about the fact she just left you all -- left your father to bring you up and never called anyone, never called her parents, never called your father, never called you and your brother. didn't call anybody. just literally disappeared for 11 years. what does that make you feel? >> that makes me really mad. i can't believe she would do

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more on the extraordinary story. lee heist's wife missing for more than a decade and declared

dead and turning up alive. back with me now is lee, his daughter morgan, and his new wife cindy. i want to show you the two pictures, if i may. this is of brenda, your wife, and morgan, your mother, before and after the disappearance. on the left is how you remember her. on the right is how she is now having surrendered herself. what was your reaction when you saw the new picture of your mother? >> it was definitely hard. i cried real bad because she's not -- that's not how i remember her. i mean, i thought she was so pretty. and she kept herself so well and then that picture just took me through a spin. >> one of your tweets said you hope she rots in hell, and i can understand why you feel so angry. do you think your anger will calm enough to be more rational, or do you think it's beyond redemption or apology?

>> i hope to eventually forgive her one day for myself not for her. but i eventually hope to forgive her and move on with my life. >> cindy, must be a very difficult situation for you too. you married lee believing he was not only divorced but also in the last few years his wife was almost certainly dead. that was what everyone assumed. how did you feel when you heard what had happened? >> i was really shocked. that's not something i ever expected to hear. >> do you feel -- i'm trying to picture how you would feel, how your emotions are. you obviously never knew her. she was just this person that had been a part of lee's history. but now she's alive and she may well want to see lee again. how would you feel about that? >> that's a decision that he

will have to make if he chooses to see her, you know, that's fine. they were married. but, again, that's his decision to see if he wants to or not. >> lee, it is your decision. how do you feel about that question? it's the big question, i guess. do you want to see her again? this is a woman that abandoned you but has now turned up alive 11 years later. >> no. at this point, i don't see where it would do any good for either of us to see her again. i think that letting it go where it is, now the kids are different, but as far as me, i don't think so. >> well, my heart does go out to all of you, incredibly difficult situation. it must have been a hell of a shock. and i wish you all the best in going forward. thank you to lee, morgan and

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i mean, it's just tragic. >> the uncle of a 2-year-old girl shot and killed by her 5-year-old brother with a rifle given to him for his birthday. welcome back to you, mr. shapiro. >> thanks for having me. >> i've missed you. >> i thought maybe you were going to deport yourself after the gun control thing. >> no, your attempts to get me deported failed. >> i wanted you to stay. you're so fun. >> let's turn to something serious. this 5-year-old boy shooting and killing his 2-year-old sister with a rifle he'd been given. now, in kentucky where this happened, it's legal to do this.

what i want to do is play a commercial, this is by cricket who makes these rifles and market them to these kids. let's watch this. >> where are you going? >> shoot my new cricket rifle. >> i wish i had one. >> my first rifle. a moment you never forget. the cricket is the perfect way to get young and small frame shooters started right. with the safety promoting design, it's soft shooting, affordable, and accurate. girls and even mom will love the way they can pick one to their own taste. start your own tradition, cricket. >> i mean, look, i'll be honest with you, i thought this was a spoof. i really did. i cannot believe this is genuinely deliberate targeted advertising and majoritying to give 5-year-olds rifles. what is your view? >> the parents are making some, you know, interesting decisions, bad decisions, of giving a 5-year-old a gun. it is illegal as far as i know for a 5-year-old to walk into a gun shop and pick up a gun.

the problem i thinkwn guns do so because they watch "die hard" or a movie with guns. >> but it's illegal of a kid of 5 to watch a lot of these violent movies. >> that's true. although some of the pg movies have guns in them. >> back in britain, expect that. the only thing like that you'd ever see would be toy guns. kids have toy guns and this is known to be a toy, doesn't fire real bullets. this tragedy happened because these parents believed it was perfectly normal to give their 5-year-old kid a rifle. and i just find it unconscionable. >> well, i find it unconscionable on the part of the parents. as far as the advertiser goes, i'm not -- >> should it be banned that kind of advertising? >> i think there's an argument to be made in favor of that, but i think the broader argument is not about situations like this. these situations happen and they're horrifying, but the real issue has to come down to what happened in chicago.

i follow your twitter feed, piers and i notice you tweeted a couple of times about this particular story. i didn't see any tweets about, for example, 20 people being shot yesterday in chicago. >> well, i tweeted before about chicago. chicago is a particularly awful situation. that's got to be dealt with. >> can you focus on the central problem then? >> we're focusing about this. we've done gun control in an animated way. you agree with me, then, you would bring in a form of gun control, which would be prohibiting companies like cricket from targeting young people with guns? >> i'm fairly certain the liability law covers this. if you advertise, for example, you have a pool and someone advertises someone diving into the pool and someone dives into the pool and breaks their neck, you can sue for that. if they show these guns being safer than they are, there's advertising liability already. i'm not sure you need a specific law directed on that. >> the ongoing debate. last time i interviewed you, you said you're in favor of

background checks. >> i am. >> why is it that even background checks can't get passed by congress? what is going on? >> well, they're not effective, unfortunately. the concept of background checks is generally a good one. we want to weed out people who are responsible from people who are irresponsible or criminals. unfortunately, in california we have universal background checks and they have not been even close to effective. the idea that government has the ability to really do that sort of weeding out with a universal background check, i wish it were true. unfortunately -- not that easy. in concept, i'd like to see a plan implemented that actually works. >> there's a poll that's come out. this is a university poll said that 29% of americans agree with in the next few years an armed revolution might be necessary in order to protect our liberties. additional 5% were unsure about that. a third of americans genuinely believe they need to be armed to possibly rise up against some form of tyranny. why? >> because that is the fundamental basis of the american freedom. that's always been --

>> where would the tyranny come from? >> the government. >> barack obama's government? >> not barack obama's government. i don't believe that barack obama is a tyrannical leader. >> whose government? >> i couldn't name you a name. it's not a matter of who is in charge -- >> you personally believe that you will need in the next few years, it says, you will need to have weapons to take on your own government? >> i don't believe in the next few years. i believe there's always the possibility of government tyranny. i don't see that happening in the next two years. i do think, piers, i think the reason there are so many folks talking about the possibility of government tyranny is threefold really. the obama administration's increasing reliance on big government. i think it's folks like alex jones who did this routine where every time they shut down a city like boston it's the end of the world and military law. and honestly, i think folks like you, piers because, you know, you go out of your way to really give the impression that you're interested in taking away people's fundamental right to bear arms and i think that

scares a lot of folks. >> i'm not against the right to bear arms, i'm seriously against the right of having military style assault weapons to blow people away in a school. >> you said you're against assault weapons, but handguns kill 6,000 a year. >> they're both a big problem. mass shootings. >> you're from the uk, why don't we go with a full gun ban. >> we discussed it, the uk has 40, 50 gun murders a year, the u.s. has 12,000. let's move on. >> i'm glad you finally have your agenda out there. >> let's turn to jason collins. this is the sports star that came out. you tweeted this. jason collins is a hero because he's gay. our standard of heroism has dropped quite a bit from normandy. what such a cheap shot? >> i don't think it's a cheap shot, i think heroism is the willingness to sacrifice in favor of -- take a real personal

risk in favor of a noble, larger goal. this may be a larger, noble goal. >> the first male american athlete in history -- >> came out -- >> i said male. >> let me ask you something, piers. why do you hate america so much that you think it's such a homophobic country that when jason collins comes out, president obama has to personally congratulate him -- >> why do i hate america so much? >> that you think -- >> you said why is jason collins a hero because he's gay? >> i don't understand why -- >> why sneer at a guy for coming out? >> i'm not sneering at him -- >> i don't think it's homophobic to say we're apathetic about people's personal lives. >> you're the one that thinks your government is going to invade and attack you. >> i don't think the government's going to do that. >> when he -- >> i think fundamentally -- >> your own backyard. >> i think america's a fundamentally good place. the fact is this, piers, you're british and a lot of folks have

said you should leave the country. you come on the show and speak in a british accent. i'm jewish, i wear a yamica on tv. there's many hate crimes against jews as there are against gays in this country. being who you are in 2013 in america is what america is about. it is not heroic to be who you are publicly. i'm glad for jason collins if he feels he's going to live a happier life now. but it does not make you a hero to be who you are. >> you know what, ben, come off it. >> come off it? >> going to leave it there, but come off it. give the guy a break, he's the first one to come out. he's a brave guy -- >> i'm glad the president called him. >> to have your first thought to get on twitter and sneer at him. it's cheap. >> he's ripping on america and calling it essentially a homophobic country. >> i don't think he's calling america homophobic. >> you cover stories in which dog bites man, not man bites dog.

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news that promolted racial ster stereotypes. joining me now, the two hosts. >> i warrant to start, actually, with reese witherspoon which shows the infa mougs arrest that happened on the 19th of april. let's watch a little clip of what happened heefr? >> i'm not -- do you know my name, sir? >> no, i don't need to know. >> you don't need to know. okay. you're about to find out who i am. >> that's's all right. i'm not real worried about you x ma'am. >> the answer was i don't care. how bad is this? >> well, we've seen reese witherspoon taking on these darker rolls which came out last weekend. so maybe she's not really going for america's sweetheart anymore and kind of broadening out her appeal. i do think she made a very sincere apology this morning.

>> let's watch that. let's see a bit of this, as well. >> i am so sorry. i was so disrespectful to himment i have police officers in my family. i know better. >> abbey, sincere enough for you? >> she has got to be so humiliated. i know she's wearing darker hair and darker roles, but she's america's sweetheart and i think she is always wants to be america's sweetheart. she's got to be absolutely humiliated. we remember that we're all human beings at the end of the day. i think it really depends on how they handle the situation. she's making it clear that this is a lesson learned. this is whatnot to doment i think we can commend her for that. >> yeah, i got thrown out of a nightclub in my 20s. i never said to the guy don't you know who i am?

we've all had our moments. let me come to you about this other video today. what do you make of the kwon tro ver si? >> i don't think i can do this? >> it's easy. just point to it. >> you better not snitch on a player. snitchers get stitches, fool. >> what's your verdict? was it clever? satirical? ironic? or was it just plain offense ef. >> i'm going to go with racist for 500, alex. here's the thing. it can be satirical, witty and i'm all for that. even the goat was black, the only person white was the victim who had bruises and a thing around her neck.

yes, a black guy made it. very often, we'll get black people to do things that are racist. this is offensive on its face. the only thing i want to know is who approved this? who gave the green light. >> it's completely massage nisic. you have this woman who's beat up. she looks like she could have been raped. in the video, she can't even speak. she can't even talk about what she went through. how many women go through that every day? it's inconceivable. >> right. maybe you're as incensed? >> i think the fact that we're talking about this illustrates that it may have very well been meant to be viral. you know? i mean, that we're in a world where there's so many different forms of media that are trying to compete and breakthrough. why else would we with talking about mountain dew, right? >> mitt romney has made this

commencement speech today in which he said the following. let's watch a little clip from this. >> children a heritage of the lord. happy is the man who have his quiver full of them. >> abbey, i think it's encouraging you? >> it sounds okay. you know, pierce, i've heard that my entire life. this is -- we all have a unique view of the world and this is very much mitt romney's view. you get married in college, shortly there after, you have a quiver of kids. >> how many constitute a quiver? i'm not sure. >> you get as many as five. >> mitt romney, we haven't seen much of mitt romney. should we take this seriously? is it a good idea for women to have lots of kids very quickly?

i think we are just seeing the real mitt romney emerge. >> this is the mitt romney i didn't want to vote for and i didn't vote for. he's a religious fe gnattic telling 21 college students that have binders full of children. >> okay, guy, got to leave you there. to abbey, mark and may, thank you all, indeed. >> coming next, dear piers. your tweets and my replies. this is going to be interesting, this segment. join us at projectluna.com

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