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facebook and your kind words to me too. i appreciate it. facebook.com/carol cnn or tweet me @carol cnn. hello everyone. i'm ashley banfield. an hour from now the jury in the jodi arias trial is set to start day two of deliberations in that case. if she is convicted of first degree premeditated murder in the death of her former boyfriend she could get the death penalty. the jurors only had under an hour to deliberate on friday. they have been listening to testimony and arguments since january. they even got to ask their own questions. that's rare in murder cases. here's cnn's ted rollin's. >> why is it you have no memory of stabbing travis. >> reporter: some of the toughest questions for jodi arias and the other witnesses in the murder trial were from the juror. >> why should we believe you
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now. >> they had more than 200 questions for arias, putting them in the wire basket for the judge to read. >> what is your understanding. >> asking questions helps him and his fellow jurors decide the fate of anthony who was sentenced to death row for killing his wife and step children. >> our questions were basic, down to earth, heart felt questions. we wanted to separate fact from faction. >> it would have been useful to be able to ask questions. >> reporter: he served as a juror in california five times including the first murder trial of music producer phil specktor that arrived in a hung jury. >> i'll declare a mistrial. >> reporter: and thinks asking questions may have helped. >> they were asking us to suspend common sense and physics and it would have been helpful to come back and question him on some of the details they were trying to explain to us.
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>> reporter: besides arizona, colorado and indiana are the only other states where jurors have the rights to ask questions. most states leave it up to judges. five states, minnesota, georgia, nebraska and texas have laws prohibiting jurors from asking questions. she travels between her home outside of phoenix and courtrooms across the country. she has been helping clients pick jurors for nearly 30 years including the one that acquitted o.j. simpson on murder charges. she thinks arizona's example should be followed by any state. >> i do think the jurors are much more engaged in the process because they know they're part of the process. they're not just sitting there like bumps on a log waiting until the judge says i've read you the jury instructions you can go back and deliberate. >> ted joins us live outside the courthouse in phoenix. ted, the deliberating jury is now eight men and four women. they have asked hundreds of
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questions. what's interesting is they're not taking a lot of notes. is that a fair assessment that they're not writing a lot? maybe listening a lot? >> reporter: well it's been four months you have to keep in mind. they did take notes and a lot of the testimony is redundant. there's a few of the jurors on the panel now that did take a lot of notes. it will be interesting to see if one of them becomes the foreperson and if they make this jury relitigate. when you have a trial this long it's always shocking sometimes to see how quickly the jury comes back. others go days and days sort of going over all the evidence. this jury, i would say, was very connected, especially down the stretch in this trial. everybody very focused and, yes, not all of them took notes but all of them absolutely paying attention. >> yeah, you try to take notes for four months when some of it is to repetitive.
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that's a big task we have asked our fellow citizens to do there in phoenix. stand the by for a second if you would. the complex nature of what the case is asking the jurors to do. it's not just is she guilty or not guilty. there's a range of things they need to assess. can you explain to the viewers in simple terms as you can what their job is right now. >> reporter: sure, let's show everybody. there's first degree murder and the primary charge and then second degree and manslaughter. let's show everybody first degree murder and that would be premeditated murder requires the proof of the following elements, first of all, that jodi arias caused the death of travis alexander. secondly, that she intended or knew she would cause the death of travis alexander and three, that she acted with premeditation which is the deliberation and moment of thought and planning. now, first degree murder, the
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prosecution also always has the felony murder theory before the jury here so they can determine first degree murder has been proven by the following, jodi arias committed or attempted to commit a dangerous crime and that would be burglary. once she entered into the home and was invited into the home, once she started stabbing him, she wasn't invited into the home anymore. >> wait, jean, hold on. that confuses me. they spent quite a bit of time in that home and she was very much a welcome visitor having relations with him for hours and hours on end. what you're saying is it becomes a burglary the minute a crime starts being committed like a stabbing. >> reporter: yes, correct. the minute that the stabbing or the shot according to the prosecutions theory began she wasn't invited into the home anymore. so she was breaking an entering with the attempt to commit that felony. so the underlying felony for
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felony murder is burglary and in the course of all of that a killing took place. that's the two elements of felony murder. second degree murder requires proof of the following, intentionally that jodi arias caused the death of travis alexander, it was caused by conduct she knew would cause death or serious bodily injury or wrecklessly engaged in the conduct. everything else is the same. >> one of our great legal minds, nothing like a big group of lawyers to figure out how hard the job is. it's a death penalty case. it does not get more serious in america's jurors prudence but we have the lessers. she was going down the issues of first and second paul, but what else could they do if they're not convinced of what the prosecution is saying. >> they have a lot of places to go. they can get to the issue of
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second degree murder. they can look at manslaughter in the case and, what it suggests to me, this is something i'm looking at having tried a lot of murder cases myself as a prosecutor and defense attorney, you have a jury of eight men and four women, and is there the possibility of an alliance that will hold out against the majority. let's say the men say hey, this is clearly first degree murder and the women say no manslaughter or second degree murder. >> manslaughter, why would the women all of a sudden suggest this is manslaughter? what on earth would the prosecution have said to suggest this is a manslaughter. >> i'm not going to put it on them. just as a group, maybe it's the men that hold out for manslaughter, whatever the demographic is you have the possibility of an alliance. that would suggest a hung jury, not about whether she is guilty or innocence but what charge she is guilty of. >> i'm talking about this heat
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of passion business or sudden quarrel. the whole thing is he came at me and i defended myself and it was crazy. is this a compromise. if some of the jurors believe her and her defense attorneys, might they compromise and get to this manslaughter. >> absolutely. jury verdicts are always about compromise. i don't think they would get to manslaughter. i think probably second degree murder is the more likely place that a compromise would put them if they don't go with first degree but it's always very unpredictable. >> if you covered o.j. or casey anthony you're right. it's entirely unpredictable what a jury is going to do. even when you think you can read their faces in a courtroom, trust me. sonny also has experience as a prosecutor. i want you to as a journalist but on your prosecutor hat in the back of your head and tell me what you think is the most compelling aspect of what the prosecutors did over the last few months. >> all in all what's so
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compelling about this case is that she lied first off and said, oh, i had no involvement in this and then her story evolved to actually some other people came in and did it while i was there and finally i did it but i was an abused woman. i'm suffering from domestic violence. that's really powerful to a jury. i think the jury thinks she lied, she lied, she lied to law enforcement authorities who is to say she doesn't lie to us. even though she was on the witness stand for so long, that changing stories over and over and over again could be very, very helpful to this prosecution. the bottom line is -- and i have been struggling with this -- she admitted to doing it. she admitted to killing him. the only question in my view is why. and if the jury believes her, then we're talking about a different case but how do they believe her when she is found to be not credible. >> you hit the nail on the head. you just hit the nail on the
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head. when you have a liar and not just a once, twice, but thrice liar it's hard for her to explain away what doesn't make sense in this case. the jury knows she is very gifted. she's admitted she has lied but on the tapes of those lies it's so convincing so i think you're right. they're going to have a tough time feeling like they can trust what the new versions of the story are but the five of us will have to meet, probably often. thank you all. starting tomorrow everyone i'll head down to phoenix as well as we wait for the verdict in the jodi arias case. i say this because there's a lot of gossip about this case, but this is a death penalty case. this is critical. if america is going to do this, we have to get it right. we better know everything about it. i'm off my soap box for a moment. he may be dead but tamerlan tsarnaev is still a long way from gone. still ahead, the search for a final resting place for the
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aftermath of them, well, he is due in a federal court where it could be discussed about a release on bail. that's if robel phillipos is able to post a 100,000 dollars bond that both sides are now proposing in joint court papers, joint motions. the government and his defense. all of this filed just this morning. they're also proposing that phillipos be made to wear an ankle bracelet and be confined to the residence of a third party custodian and finally they're asking that a probably cause -- probable cause hearing be set for later this month. he is one of three college friends of dzhokhar tsarnaev to face charges over what they did when they found out what tsarnaev did. he could face eight years in prison if he's convicted of the charge he is facing. as for the older brother of the bombing suspect, tamerlan tsarnaev, he was killed in a
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shoot out when police caught up with him and his younger brother and the cemetery search continues today. a mortician that accepted his remains last week and an uncle that came up from maryland have so far be unsuccessful in finding a cemetery that will sell them an actual plot and accept that body. i'm joined by sunny hostin in philadelphia and paul in new york. first to you, tamerlan's wife wouldn't claim the body. his parents in russia to our knowledge don't want that body sent back to russia or aren't asking for that to happen. so now, what's the status and what is this funeral director up against? >> reporter: well, he is up against a lot of people who don't want to see that body buried anywhere in the boston area. so far he has been unsuccessful in finding some place to take
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those remains. the body is prepared for bur y'all. his uncle took care of that but there's no cemetery and no burial plot and no resolution as to where the remain of the suspected bomber will be buried. it's too hot -- too much a hot button issue for any cemetery apparently to get involved. in fact, last night, the city of cambridge where tamerlan tsarnaev used to live with his wife and child issued this statement, if i may read it in part, the difficult and stressful efforts of the citizens of cambridge to return to a peaceful life would be adversely impacted by the turmoil, protests, and widespread media presence at such an internment. so even that city is saying, we don't want to have anything to do with any of this and even said perhaps it's time for the federal government to get
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involved. now what that would mean remains equally unclear. in fact, the funeral director was asked on our early start program this morning whether the uncle of tsarnaev has any options left to him. >> we have thought about some -- preferably a muslim cemetery out of the state but the problems will exist when the nabs and people find out what we're doing. a muslim cemetery would be more acceptable for the people there. most of the cemeteries we have here have a section set aside for muslims. the only true muslim cemetery we have is in connecticut. >> reporter: so the search for a cemetery goes on. in the meantime, it's interesting to always remember and bring up, notorious killers in history. now in the case of the suspected bomber, we'll never see any resolution of that case but take
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for example lee harvey oswald, buried in a cemetery in the dallas area where the assassination took place. then you turn to oklahoma city convicted terrorists testimony timothy mcvey, he had his ashes scattered at his request and the where abouts of the ashes remains unknown. how they come to a solution here, there's no response or reply or solution at this time. >> certainly not yet. it's early in all of this. susan, stand by if you will. paul, jump in here, susan brings up a good point, it ain't like we haven't had bad guys before and it ain't like they haven't been put to death. they have to go somewhere. why is this becoming a big news story and such a conone drum.
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>> they used to bury them in a potters field off the island and every place in the world has to deal with if issue. the bad guy is dead and has to be burr rid some place and the ashes scattered. i know emotions are running high but a solution will be worked out. >> is there a legal, i'm trying to think of a city or state or are the feds going to have to step in and do something like they did with osama bin laden's body. >> where ever the body is that jurisdiction will have to take custody and they have a place to bury people that don't have the money to be buried. the county the body saturday night live have to take custody of the body and bury it or cremate it. that's a religious issue as well. don't flood my twitter with that. i know and i hear you. the wife of tamerlan tsarnaev didn't want his body.
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presumably everybody seems to think they know why but there's still an issue with her and she is still under suspicion. she are back at the apartment where the two of them shared together. can you give me an update of where they are with that investigation. >> reporter: this is still an active investigation. they questioned her for so many hours and so many days. my understanding is she is cooperating with investigators. it is a very active investigation. i think because we covered this case so closely, people fail to remember that it has -- it hasn't even been a month. we're talking less than three weeks. of course it's still an active investigation into one of the most gruesome crimes i think that we've seen in such a long time. >> all right. sunny hostin, thank you, susan and paul as well. thank you all for your excellent perspective and legal information. i want to also switch gears to
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this story, a family crushed and community shaken when a soccer referee, volunteer is dead a week after getting punched by one of the teenage players on the field. the referee's daughter is telling her emotional story and also talking about possible forgiveness as everyone else digs into what the consequences of this could be.
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you keep doing it? you just keep getting -- just hurting yourself. he said that that was his risk because that was his passion. i saw hi dad laying on the bed and i got close and i grab his hand. he pressed my hand really hard. i saw him. i was like, daddy, we're going to be okay and he looked at me and he went like that. he started crying. he was like, no. it's a lot of pain that this kid caused my whole family. i will forgive this kid because it's only in god's hands, you know, for him to have his punishment, not in mine. but right now it's too soon for
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me to forgive him. >> that's very hard to hear. the 17-year-old who is accused of hitting her father is in juvenile detention right now. the district attorney's office said he was booked on an aggravated assault charge last week but the da is going to review the case. more charges could come again today. i'm joined again by paul. this is so difficult. i can't imagine where a 17-year-old truly means to kill someone on the soccer field. it's an assault. if it leads to death, isn't it clear cut. >> it's not surprisingly enough. the criminal law places a emphasis on what you intend to accomplish when you use a gun or your fist or anything else or a knife to hurt somebody. the defense here will be in striking a single punch it's obvious the 17-year-old did not intend to kill. so the killing turns out to be an accidental killing, so the
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defense will claim. so i don't think you get it on an intentional ground. however, there maybe a claim that it was wreckless or negligent for him to make this punch but you only win on that if he was a trained boxer or had marital arts experience so then one punch could kill somebody. they may charge this as a homicide. i looked at the statute and it's going to be very hard to prevail as a homicide. i think it's going to be an assault case. he's a juvenile also. if they treat him as a juvenile he's facing a slap on the wrist. he can be tried as an adult but that decision isn't made yet. >> once that decision is made we'll have to revisit the case and the story. >> yeah. >> but man is that heart breaking. it's why it's matters what the family goes through in these criminal situations. paul callan, thank you for that. we're minutes away from day two
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of deliberations in jodi arias's murder trial, the marathon case. today could be a day we get a verdict. this is day 58 by our calendar. if she is convicted of first degree murder there's a big, big process that comes next and our team of experts is standing by to tell you exactly what will happen. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down
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we'll take you back to phoenix. by our clark we're just a few hour assumingway from the deliberations in jodi arias's trial. if she is convicted and sentenced to death, here is where she will be staying, the arizona state prison complex. but if that happens, and that is a very big if, there's still a lot both sides have to do.
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this case, believe it or not, is still far from over. i want to bring back in our correspondence, jean, outside the courthouse in phoenix. you have been on this case since the beginning. it might feel like you're close to the end but you're not. if jodi arias is convicted of premeditated murder or first degree felony murder, tell me happens next. >> you go into the stage that involves the jury. it's two phases. the first phase is caused the aggravation phase. it's like a minitrial in and of itself. it's predetermined from a 2009 hearing that the prosecution can try to prove one statutory a aggravater which is cruelty. they must show that jodi was extremely cruel as she killed
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travis alexander. the prosecution can put on witnesses. all the evidence in the guilt phase comes into this phase. it's accepted as true by the jury. the defense can put on witnesses. the victims, the family members of travis alexander, if relevant they can make a statement and then there are closing arguments, so the jury have to be unanimous in this case. if beyond a reasonable doubt jodi was cruel as she killed travis alexander. >> i always found it fascinating when you have aggravators listed and mitt gators, it's really just a gut science isn't it? >> it has to be unanimous, that's phase two which is the penalty phase. the jury then will hear anything
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to show leniency. why she is of more value on earth than dead. that's when they can put on witnesses including the parents of jodi arias begging for their daughter's life. it's an emotional part of the sentencing procedure. >> if you talk to any juror that's been through this it's the toughest thing you may ever go through as the citizen of this country. we'll be speaking at length in the days to come. i'll invite our viewers to join us tomorrow as i'm live covering jodi arias verdict watch. a dream party suddenly becoming a horrifying nightmare, deadly fire consuming a limousine. that limousine carrying a bride to be and her eight friends. five of them did not get out of the limo alive.
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party. five of them women died in the inferno. dan simon has more on this tragedy. >> reporter: it was supposed to be a night of celebration. a bachelorette party near san francisco for a woman getting married next month in the philippines but as they crossed the bridge in a stretch limo, they noticed smoke. >> we got calls of smoke coming from the limousine. the limousine pulled over and all of a sudden became engulfed
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in flames. >> reporter: there were ten people in the limo including the driver. he and three people in the party escaped. four people including the bride did not. they died in the flames. so badly burned it's reported that dental records will be needed to make positive i.d.s. >> drivers did get out and some people stopped to help them. >> reporter: the mother of one of the survivors distraught but relieved. >> no. thank god that she survived. >> reporter: all of the women were in their 30s or 40s. most, if not all, were nurses. >> it's so hard that on sunday morning, real hard day, that both of them died, it's unbelievable. >> reporter: the limousine was operated by a company called limo stop. the company was saddened by the
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deaths and limostop will investigate and assist authorities in determining the cause of this fire in order to bring forgot answers and provide closure to the victims and their families. >> dan simon joins us live of the scene of where the fire broke out. the limo driver survived the fire and he is speaking but what is he telling the investigators. >> reporter: well, he obviously feels very guilty, horrible about what happened. it's interesting, you know, initially when the women knocked on that partition he thought they were asking if they could smoke when in reality they were complaining about the smoke. he estimates it took about 30 seconds to a minute to pull over after they first alerted him to the smoke and when he pulled over, four of them obviously were able to get out and he was able to get out but those five, they were trapped. the flames just advanced too
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quickly. >> it's an awful thought and the investigators have a lot of work ahead of them. update us when you find out more about the investigation. thank you for that. the lawyers for michael jackson's family are getting ready to go into the detail of the pop star's death. that's going to happen today. who takes the stand next in the dramatic wrongful death case? we'll let you know ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios
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michael jackson's wrongful death trial turns today to the details about michael's autopsy and what drugs were found in his system when he died. the coroner's toxicologist is expected to be first on the stand when court starts in a little over an hour from now. notice that date, october 2011, he was on the stand in the criminal case. now it's jackson's family suing the concert promoter, aeg live claiming that it's liable for the death of their loved one because they say they hired dr. murry and that was conrad murry who did it. murry was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011. i always find it fascinating and frustrating when you relitigate everything you saw in the criminal case but it's crucial to have the details. what sort of details do we expect to come out on the stand today. >> reporter: well, the first
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witness that you just mentioned that we're expecting on the stand is going to be dan anderson. he's the toxicologist in the l.a. county coroners. this is very much like conrad murry's criminal trial 2.0 except the difference here is this is a civil case and in a civil case we get more of those details and it is those details, exactly what kind of drugs were found in jackson's system, what level, that's playing front and center in this case as the jackson family tries to establish it was aeg live pulling the strings. all of these little details that your talking about that can be a bit frustrating because it sounds a bit familiar, it's those details and the devil is always in the details, that could prove whether or not aeg live is going to be held liable in jackson's case. we are expecting to hear from the medical examiner, the person that conducted the autopsy. >> hold that thought for a
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moment. i want to go to what jean can add to that. we learned last week in this trial, again, civil trial that conrad murry was in debt. not just a little bit of debt. it was like a million dollars in debt. i'm curious at what this strategy aims to get at. if this is what the jackson family wants to show, that he was broke, what does that show you in terms of liability for death for aeg. >> that created motive for conrad murray himself but now the defendant is aeg. they're look agent the negligent supervision of conrad murray, not looking into his background to see what his financial reasons could be and that would give him motive and also the knowledge of what michael jackson had allegedly done with other doctors on the road. you know, i enter viewed dr. kline during the criminal trial.
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he told me he flew to various locations to try to do interventions with michael jackson when doctors were giving him propathol on the road. they knew it could happen. it did happen in this case. they killed michael jackson, conrad murray so aeg is responsible. >> we'll continue to see what additional details come out in civil cases that don't come out in the criminal trial. so thank you for that. you probably all know that this sunday is mother's day. i don't think that kobe bryant's family is going to have a great sunday. they have serious family troubles. they're in the middle of a pricy dispute. mom and son over memories. very valuable memories. we'll take a look at this coming up next away from
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mother's day. the nba starts fighting with her over his memorabilia. men rebowl ya. apparently she got like half a million dollars advance from an auction house for somewhere
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around 900 things. and anything that belongs to him is worth some money. we're talking about a few nba championship rings, nba all-star rings, awards and uniforms including a few he wore back in high school. he is trying to put a stop to the auction because he said that this is his stuff, that it's not his mom's, and she didn't have the right to auction it off and get money in advance. pamela bryant says not so fast, kiddo. she says that her son told her she could have it all. he says she's had this stuff around for 15 years, and that for the last five, she has actually been paying $1,500 a month to keep it in a storage unit. all of those facts matter. and that's why sunny hostin and paul kallen like to take facts with them. paul, first to you, do you see a case here? >> i kind of take it personally
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because in the kallen family, my wife, eileen, who likes garage sale, sold off my son's baseball cards without telling him. it's been a scandal in the family for years. and this idea of things going into storage to accommodate the kids is troublesome as well. we're all doing it now as they leave the house. so what will the judge look at in this case? well, he's going to look at how long were they in the possession of the mother. can we reasonably infer that title had passed to the mother. undoubtedly the same defense my wife would claim if my son choose to sue. that's what the fight is about. it's not a good mother's day. >> no, terrible timing. you know how everybody always says hey possession is nine-tenths of the law, i'm not sure that's in statute anywhere, but kind of doesn't that really mean a lot? >> i think it may mean a lot. i mean, it's been there for quite some time, right? kobe bryant has a pretty big home. he certainly if he wanted it
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would have taken possession of it. i think that's one of the arguments we're going to hear. bottom line, who does this? if his mother needs the money, remember, kobe bryant bought his wife a $4 million, or $5 million ring when they were having troubles. why can't he just give his mother some money if his mother does need the money? i mean, the fact that he fived this cease and desist order, i think it makes you go, who does that? >> it's uncomfortable all around. i come back to the idea of kobe bryant living in his mom's house as a minor. minor's have rights. parents don't like to think so a lot of times. but they do have rights, don't they? >> well, they do. and in all seriousness, this is very different than selling baseball cards. these are, for instance, one of the rings, the championship rings, valued at possibly worth more than $100,000. and there are other pieces that could push it as high as $250,000 possibly.
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enormous amounts of money. could kobe bryant really have gived this to his mother without telling her explicitly he was doing that? sounds to me like he kind of just left the stuff behind and never intended to transfer it over to mom. >> i think my downhill skiing medal from, like, '78 might fetch 82 cents on ebay so my mom has nothing to worry about. sunny, paul, thank you both, we'll continue to watch that story. coming up, i want to take you to philadelphia. where we've been checking in day after day. there is a murder trial of an abortion doctor there that's been in the hands of a jury and it's been quite a few days now. too many days, just enough days? the act of soaring across an ocean in a three-hundred-ton rocket doesn't raise as much as an eyebrow for these veterans of the sky. however, seeing this little beauty over international waters is enough to bring a traveler to tears. we're putting the wonder back into air travel, one innovation at a time.
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subaru forester. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. now to the murder trial of a controversial doctor who performed abortions at a philadelphia clinic. tod today, he is charged with more than 250 crimes including five charges murder. he could face the death penalty in this case. i want to bring back cnn's legal analyst sunny hostin who is there in philadelphia. she's been covering the trial. she's also a federal prosecutor so she knows a thing or two about what they're up against here. the first thing i need to ask you about is in the course of these jury deliberations, over five days, sunny, we always look at the tea leaves when they ask questions of the judge. and i was a little bit troubled, and you tell me, talk me off the ledge if i should or shouldn't
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be that they needed definitions of racketeering and conspiracy. don't you get that when you charge the jury? >> yeah, you do get it, but sometimes juries do struggle with the legalese in it. you got to see, ashleigh, i have the verdict sheet, we're talking about 19 charges against this doctor, 258 counts in total. they've got a lot they have to parse through. it has been about five days. in reading the tea leaves, they just asked a question this morning, they wanted to be recharged, they wanted some more definition to first degree murder, third degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and malice. and infanticide as well. that tells me they're right in the thick of things with these charges against the doctor and that things are really moving along. we know lunch is being brought in to them. and so they're going to be working through lunch. we just got that question today.
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and that's what that tells me. these jurors are working hard. >> i just got a couple seconds left. i always marvel at certain juror's dictions. i'm not sure about federal court whether they allow those jury charge instructions to go on paper back into the deliberation rooms so that they can continuously read over it. in some jurisdictions, they don't allow it. is that what the case is here? >> i have to tell you, when they're doing this, the judge is going back into the jury room with the lawyers. so a lot isn't happening in open court. my sense is the judge does need to read the charges to this jury. they have the verdict sheet with them but, again, so many charges, so many counts, they really are looking for guidance in that jury room. >> that's a tough case, you said it, a lot of paperwork. just in the jury forms and the number of charges. so five days, nothing, honestly. we should probably hunker down and you should get a hotel room for a long time. sunny, thank you.
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for all of your input on today's show, as well as this particular case. thanks for watching, everyone. it's been nice to have you with us today. "around the world" is coming up next with michael holmes and suzanne malveaux. welcome. we take you across the globe in 60 minutes. i'm suzanne malveaux. >> nice to see you, stranger. yeah, we're back. i'm michael holmes. thanks for being with us today. >> this could be a game changer. one the most volatile places in the world. that of course, syria. >> the syrian deputy foreign minister is calling israeli air strikes in his words a declaration of war. have a look at this. >> the attacks happened over the weekend. making a really tense situation on the ground even worse. raising questions about whether or not the u.s. is going to be forced to act. a u.s. official now confirming the strikes were indeed launched by the israelis. >> add to tha