tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN May 6, 2013 11:00pm-12:01am PDT
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good evening, i'm erin brunette. this is a special live edition of "out front." three women have been found together by police in cleveland, ohio. according to sources, amanda berry, gina dejesus and michelle knight were found in a house near a residential area. michelle knight vanished in 2002. they were found later today when a man saw a woman, later identified as amanda bier ri.
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>> i heard screaming. i'm eating my mcdonalds. i come outside and i see this girl going nuts trying to get out of the house. so i go on the porch and she says help me gout out. i've been in here a long time. and she comes out with the little girl. and she says call 9-1-1, my name is amanda berry. >> and here is the call made to 9-1-1. >> help me, i'm amanda berry. >> do you need police, fire or ambulance. >> >> i need police. >> and what's going on there? >> i've been kidnapped and i've been missing for ten years. i'm here, i'm free now.
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>> okay. and want's your address? [bleep]. >> [bleep]. >> looks like you're calling me from [bleep]. >> i can't hear you. okay, stay there with those neighbors and talk to police when they get there. talk to the police when they get there. >> we're going to send them as soon as we get a car open. >> no, i have need them now before he gets back. >> all right. we're sending them, okay? >> okay. >> who is the guy who went out? >> his name [bleep]. >> how old is he? >> he's like 52. i'm amanda berry. i've been on the news for the last ten years.
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>> whats his name again? >> [bleep]. >> white, black or hispanic? >> hispanic. >> what's he wearing? >> i don't know. he's not here rielgt now. >> i told you they're on the way. >> the women were taken to metro health medical center. doctors say that their condition is good tonight. a 52-year-old man, as you heard amanda berry just say his age, is in custody. this has to be some of the most shocking news that you've ever heard. >> it was absolutely stunning. the entire city is just glued to this. >> you've been covering this over the years, but give us a
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sense of the neighborhood. these reports were abdublgted within a very small area. and now, here they are, all together in this one house. how close is this house to where they live? explain to people the proximity here? >> quiet close. it's within the clark fulton neighborhood which is a very tight knit community. in 2006, there was one tip came in that people believed -- well, that gina dejesus mite have been buried.
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nothing was found on that. but it was another development in this very agonize missing person's case. >> people are saying is there similarity in this case to jaceydugard. in your view, does this sound like that to you? or from your covering, is that not a come parson? >> it's a chill, chille parallel, for sure.
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locked away for so long and yelling for help behind a locked door is just chilling. >> and let me ask you one other question here, in terms of your understanding of neighbors. did the neighbors here, you know, our understanding is that they never saw anybody but this man. or did people perhaps not see them and didn't know who they were? >> what we're hearing now is that the neighbors who knew him thought that he was a fairly nice guy.
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one neighbor said that they would frequently get together. everybody said that they would ride four-whilers with him. >> lily, thank you very much for sharing your report with us. leelah has been reporting on this story for years. john, what do you make of this situation? the parallels, obviously, a lot of unanswered questions. she knew who she was and what
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the problem was and reached out. what does that say to you? >> listening to that 9-1-1 call, you can hear the terror in amanda's voice. there's two heroes tonight, one is amanda for escaping and chaurls ramsey. a guy is walking by. it's a white girl yelling and i'm another black guy and i thought it was a domestic abuse. but he cared enough and was smart enough to have the courage to goup and save that girl's life, her child's live and the two women. i know what its's like. people say it broke amanda berry's mother's heart and she
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died of a brokenhearted. i hope some day i meet charles ramsey because i eemd going to give him a big hug. >> john, a couple of mysteries here. there are many, but i want to ask you one. one is where they were kecht. i know you heard the reporter talking about the suspected, the 52-year-old hispanic man describing him as someone who would ride four wheelers. where were they? >> they were probably in this house. erin, people always think it's the pervert under the bridge with a trench coit. these guys hide in plainsighted. >> they're hiding in plain sight, these people.
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and it is just a miracle and a wonderful miracle that these three wimd are alive. this child is getting help right now. and, again, it's the public that stepped up to help police. people have looked long and hard and they were right there. but i am not surprised at all. >> but in this case, i'm trying to understand what might have happened or how it all came together. you have other cases where things happen and the people get found. and there's miracles. but the people who are, for lack of a better word, sex slaves. in this case, it was one of the women.
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it sounded like he was coming and going all of the time. >> i'm sure heflts. i'm sure he was bringing them the limited food that they've got. we saw shawn hornbeck. he saved himself. but at some point, amanda must have said this is my window. this is my window of opportunity to puts my life at risk, my child, that they think it's the child fathered by this guy, only speculation, but, at some point, she must have bent i've got to take this chance.
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it's just incredible. >> and what can you tell us given the very limted information that we have at this point: >> this is a very, very sick pervert. he kept three people in that house that should have been somewhere else. three people who should have been with their parents, the two teenagers. michelle knight, nobody is talking about her. people always assume that a 20-year-old woman decided to run away. but he's a per vert. he did mechanic horrible. he did something horrible.
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he took those girls from their families and i hope to god he pays the ultimate price for this. john, thank you very much. later on, we're going to be talking to psychologists that tell us what is it that allow human beings to get in these situations. we're going to talk about that later on in the arrow. we were talking to layla, and it's a small, tight knit community. >> yes, i have to hear. >> and now this happens tontd. how big of the a shock is this for you, donna? >> how big of a shock is it for me? >> yes.
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>> you're talking about how big of a shock is it to me that they're found in this situation? >> and that they're found at all. i know people have been looking for years, but many had, you know, were hoping against hope at this point. >> absolutely. and the thing of it is, as soon as it came across the wire, there was a phone call to police that amanda berry called and said i'm amanda berry and i'm alive, that came across first. and the second thing that came through was she was positively identified. so it was very shocking. actually, i jumped with joy. that they had been found. >> yes, it is a miracle. what at this point do you know about the suspected? the 52-year-old?
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>> i have only heard that he was arrested. that he was a bus driver for the cleveland municipal school district. that's all i know about him. >> and i did hear that he had been dismissed in november. >> have they said why? >> no, i've asked and haven't gotten an answer yet. i know that this neighborhood had been searched. they looked everywhere. by all akoints, according to our understanding. how do you think it's possible
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for these flee women and this child, if, indeed, that's the right number of people, to be completely hidden for so long in a house like that in that neighborhood? >> to be clear, amanda berry, and her mother and my sister lived in my ward. that's the situation. >> okay, donna, thank you very much. we appreciate hearing from you tonight.
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mark klauss, whose daughter was kidnapped when she was just 12 years old. he has now dedicated his life to trying to stop this from happening to other people. good to talk to you again, sir. and, obviously, this story ending in a miraculous fashion tonight. what's your reaction in terms of -- so much time has gone by here. people think of jaycey dugard as a case where somebody was found after so many years. but this has got to be incredibly unusual. >> well, it certainly is. but, first, before i get to that, i want to emphasize something that has only been eluded to. that's the thing that
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differentiates this particular case from the dugard case, to the hornbec case is that this is a situation where the individuals themselves affected their own release. amanda berry was not to be denied in this. this was very unusual and very different. here's what i was thinking. that, you know, we've had six months of inclement and treacherous weather in this country. we had a mass shooting that took the lives of many, many which i shall. children. we had a terrorist attack that killed people and sorried in a horrible way one of our premier sporting events. we've had a fert liezer plant blow up like an atomic bomb. we have a completely ineffective government. this is the tonic america night right now to feel good about itself. >> it is a miracle. what is your understanding about what thought?
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they talk about people getting brainwashed and enter a world like this and not be able to exit it. but in in case, amanda berry did. is it possible she always wanted to? or was she brainwashed for a while and something happened and suddenly she said now i'm aware and i'm not going to take this anymore? >> you know, i've thought about this long and hard. it's hard to put yourself in the place of a young girl in the hands of a determined predator, particularly once they've been isolated. how is that child going to react. you take your chance standing your ground where you are. but that's looking at it from an adult male perspective. i think it's a fascinating question as to how one individual was able to marginalize three women and children, at least five
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individuals in a house over the course of a decade without being discovered. what kind of restraints did he have these girls in. what kind of fear was he inflicting on these girls. >> and on that front, what is your view? you've seen the street where they were found. and, obviously, the neighbor is described as a very tight knit one, reporters who have covered the story said the neighborhood was searched exhaustively. >> they either agreed to hide or were forcibly hidden. >> and i would imagine there might be some combination of both. i'm sure there was intense intimidation. i'm sure that they were afraid for their lives every moment that they've been alive since
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their youth and innocence was stolen over a decade ago. but tloost this young girl, amanda, was able to find the courage to do what she needed to do to rescue herself and the others in the house: i'm not a psychologist, but hopefully, we'll be able to get some kind of education, some kind of illumination from this case that will serve other girls in the future. >> i hope so, too. as we've seen again and again, it does happen. we're going to talk about this very issue. were they ever seen or was it only the predator that was seen. we'll be right back. nom, nom, nom.
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three, the first, the man we've told you about. 52-year-old ariel kas stroe. the other two, his brothers. we don't yet know their ages, but these three men who have been taken into custody are all brothers. according to sources with the cleveland police, amanda berry, gina dejesus and michelle knight have been identified. amanda berry disappeared at age 16. gina went missing at age 14 in 2004 and michelle knight was 20. they were found today when a neighbor saw a woman screaming from the house. the man who found them told their story to abc news net 5.
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>> i'm eating my mcdonalds. i come outside and i see this girl going nuts trying to get out of her house. so i go on the porch. i go on the porch and she says help me get out. i've been in here a long time. so, you know, i figured it it's a domestic violence dispute. and she comes out with the little girl and she says call 9-1-1. i'm amanda berry. >> and here is the call made to 9-1-1. >> help me, i'm amanda berry. >> do you need police, fire or ambulance? >> i need police. >> what's going on there. i've been kidnapped. i'm missing for ten years. i'm here, i'm free now. >> okay. and what's your address? [bleep].
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>> stay there with police and talk to the police when they get there. >> okay. >> we're going to send them as soon as we get a car open. >> no, i need them now before he gets back. >> no, we're sending them. who is the guy who went out? [bleep]. >> how old is he? >> he's like 52. >> all right. >> i'm amanda berry. i've been in the news for the last ten years. >> okay. i got that here. and you said what was his name again? [bleep]. and is he white, black or hispanic? >> he's hispanic. >> what's he wearing? >> i don't know, because he's not here right now. >> when he left, what was his wearing?
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>> the police are on the way. i told you they're on the way. talk to them when they get there, all right? >> all right. okay. bye. >> the women were then taken to metro health medical center. they're reportedly suffering from severe dehydration and malnutrition. there's a picture of amanda berry, her sister and what we believe to be the child that was also found in that house today. angela garcia, whose aunt livers next to the house, joins me on the phone. thank you very much for taking the time. i know that your aunt wasn't able to speak to us, she speaks spanish. but she lived next door. did she ever see anybody're than the man, ariel castro? >> well, she said that, yeah, even his mom used to come to that house. but i don't think they noticed
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nothing. they didn't notice anybody? >> no, nobody. even us that was outside every single day. no clue of nothing. no suspicious, nothing. >> and you were outside every day on the porch. so you would have seen everything? >> no, not to do because i went out for a little bit. and she called me. she's here with me, but she don't speak english. but she's here and she was the one that let them borrow the phone for them to call. they had the address and everything record. >> yes. and angie, i don't know if you heard, but we just reported that two more men have been taken into custody in relation to this case. did you ever see anybody else?
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>> one guy in the bicycle. and then he had a friend coming to his house. because he used to play guitar and everything. but i don't know how they never noticed nothing. >> and what was ariel castro like? was he friendly? was he removed? what was he like quell, to be honest, he was saying hi. we were out there and he came in a convertible car and he just came in the driveway and he just waved hi. and that was it. that's all he do. but when he was drinking, he juzed to cross the street to the next neighbor on the side. >> so when he was drinking, he was social? >> serious, educated, not
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talking at all, um-hmm. >> i'm sorry, whafsz your theory? >> i'm saying all of the time, never talked to nobody. only when he was drinking. >> only when he was drinking. but just to make sure we understand, your aunt, you were outside often and you never saw fwhi of these women, any child, ever? >> anything. ever. ever. no clue at all. that's why we're still in shock. because we've been here a year outside barbecuing, you know, with friends and stuff. and never, never. >> all right, angie, thank you very much for taking the time to share you and your aunt's story. thank you. and i want to go to ashley arnette now. she went to school with amanda berry until she went to sixth grade.
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this must be news you never expected to hear. when you hear amanda berry's voice and you think back to the amanda berry ewe you knew, what's your reaction? it looks like we lost her. i want to go back to a psychiatrist who specializes in this one. dr. sophie, good to talk to you, sir, as always. >> thank you. >> i have many questions for you. but let's start with this one. the call today from amanda berry. someone who was incredibly distressed, who took this risk for her life to try to save herself and these other women but yet had not been heard from in ten years. does that story fit? could she have been brainwashed and then suddenly not? or could she have been fighting the whole time and not been visible.
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that's a hard question to answer specifically. but whatever it was, today was the day she felt the power or the freedom or whatever it was click inside of her and she reached for that help. and that's huge in her moving forward in any kind of trama that has occurred. she not only had her power taken, now she took her power back. it's really important that she did that. and she got a response from the rest of the community. >> it is incredible. it's very unclear. but in the situation of brainwash, where we have heard of cases that that has happened before, the woman that was kept hostage by her father in austria for 24 years. how does that happen? it does again and again and again. >> absolutely.
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it is a power differential. someone has taken your power. the younger the person is, emotionally, the younger the person is, the quicker they give in and submit because they are used to having a parent over them as power. they do submit. they give in. and that's where that brainwashing begins. >> what about the other person we haven't discussed at all, that is the child here. now there's two other men. we just don't know at this point. but this child is, forever, going to be the child of a situation like this. absolutely. that's going to be more work for
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that child to be integrated into a different kind of family and really mourn the loss she was born into. >> can it be done? can show wind up a normal, well adjusted child? >> it can be done. can it be done completely? it depends on how much the thinking that went on there and the feelings. the more the victims talk about their feelings, the more the feelings become the foundation with which they react to. so the more they use their thoughts, the more they can move toward a new foundation of feelings. >> dr. sophie, thank you very much.
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and, as always, we thank him for his time. i want to bring in ashley arnette who went to school with amanda ber re. ashley, what's your reaction today? >> i'm just very, very happy that she is home. basically, i started crying because it's been so long. and i'm glad that she's alive. >> you must have been shocked. i'm sure this is something that your mind would go back to. but could you believe that it ended this way? that there was, i mean, obviously horrible things happened. but a miraculous ending that could be a very happy one? >> well, actually, when my mom first -- my mom is the one that initially called me. i've thought about her through the years. they said they found amanda.
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i don't want to say i lost hope, but after all the hoaxes, you know, not knowing what to expect. like i said, i'm just overjoyed that she was alive, you know. we weren't the best of friends, but the fact that she still has a smile on her face, that tells you what kind of person she is. >> ashley, what was she like from as well as you did know her. you know, people are trying to understand what happened at that time when she was 16 years old. did this begin as something that she went to by choice? or something that she didn't -- what kind of girl or teenager was she like? >> she was your regular girl. she liked to have fun. but do i think she did this by choice? >> no, i don't. i think there's too many people
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that she loved in her life. she had a very good head on her shoulders. >> all right, ashley, thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us tonight. you just heard ashley say she does not think that amanda berry would have every done this by choice. we are back live in a moment. there will be a press conference from the cleveland police. that's next, live, after this. i almost didn't recognize you without the suit. well, this is my weekend suit. weekend getaways just got better. well, enjoy your round! alright, thanks! save a ton on our best available rate when you book early and feel the hamptonality. i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way.
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all right, i want to bring you a former f.b.i. ajebt. jim, thank you very much for coming on. i want to ask you, just your take on what happens next here. obviously, there's been -- well, this entire story is incredible and hard to believe. but, that, first, the 52-year-old ariel castro arrested, the suspect. and two men, both of whom are his brothers, are also in custody tonight as we can report. that changes things, doesn't it. >> well, i think that one of the things that would normally be
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done is while they're debriefing the women, thoroughly, and searching the location, the first that i think they want to do is find out who else had access to the house and, therefore, possibly these women. i think apparently, that's already been done, at least to this extent that the two brothers must have also been involved in some way. but im'm sure they'll study all kinds of devices there. but this is, although this is a very rare and wonderful result, there's been a number of cases in which the victims have broken away from custody, you know, being held n dungeons or chains. there's a number of cases where a boy or girl escaped with the chains still attached to them. bru when amanda said before he gets back, it tells me that this was an opportunity she sees that she never had before. h is a kind of kplient victimization.
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it seems like she finally got an opportunity she took advantage of. or as to whether they were tortured or held with chains. >> i hate to say this, but most of these guys are sadistic, narcisistic control freaks. chances are he did have a very comprehensive method of controlling people. the fact that there were multiple vick tills, tells me that he had some ability to lock them down. whether he did that with drugs, and it didn't seem like that from the phone calls. but i would think probably physical restraint. >> physical restrant: and then
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how unusual is it that there's multiple people involved? in the case of jaycey dugard, it was the abductor and his wife. and this man, by the way, was not a recluse. >> yeah, as a matter of fact, most of these offenders interact with the community. they have jobs or relationships or some kind of living situation that's in the communality. but, you know, the fact that the bloers are involved, and, of course, we don't know how extensive their involvement is at this point, is probably a more likely incidence because of the number of victims. it takes a lot to control one person. >> even almost measure difficult to understand, just on a human level.
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...and we inspected his brakes for free. -free is good. -free is very good. [ male announcer ] now get 50% off brake pads and shoes at meineke. >> up to speed on where we are right now. >> currently, we have obtained a search warrant for the house down the street here on seymore. the f.b.i.'s evidence response team is going to be executing a search warrant throughout the night here. at the residence. the three young ladies were taken to metro hospital where they were treated by the hospital staff there. currently, we have three brothers that are under arrest, ages 50, 52 and 54. they're being held in the city
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jail awaiting charges. that charging will come probably within the next 36 hours. >> and our understanding, of course, is that those three men are all brothers, the castro brothers. as we find out more information, our live coverage continues with piers morgan next. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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help the gulf recover, and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all our drilling activity, twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. safety is a vital part of bp's commitment to america - and to the nearly 250,000 people who work with us here. we invest more in the u.s. than anywhere else in the world.
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