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three women who lost a decade of their lives? virtually in plain sight. i'm zoraida sambolin in cleveland. >> and i'm john berman in new york. york. thanks for joining us. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to a special edition of 360, "vanished." we've all watched the incredible discovery of three missing women in cleveland, and the investigation into exactly what happened to them continues. as you know, kidnapping and rape charges have been filed against 52-year-old ariel castro. authorities say dna tests confirm he is the father of amanda berry's 6-year-old daughter, who police believe was born in captivity. the prosecutor says that castro ran a torture chamber. those were his words. and private prison. investigators have removed more than 200 items from his home as they are trying to piece together how he allegedly held the women captive for so long. the three women, amanda berry, gina dejesus, and michelle knight, continue to recover.
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their return in cleveland after so many years has given hope to thousands of other families across the country. >> there she is! >> families who still hope, still hope for the return of their loved ones. we want to help them. we want you to meet them, the families and the missing. he with want you to see their faces, learn their names and their stories so that maybe, just maybe someone out there will remember something and maybe, just maybe another person can come home. you'll also meet some everyday heroes, people who've saved missing kids, people who took notice and took action. and action is what is needed. the national center for missing and exploited children says 800,000 kids go missing every year in the united states. up to 2,000 kids are reported missing every day. many will quickly turn up, but far too many simply seem to vanish. >> i don't think anybody who has not been in this situation can really understand. >> 20 years and that's long enough. >> we pray for those who are searching for janet. >> my baby's out there somewhere. >> i want my daughter to come home.
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>> i don't sleep at night. i have to find my son. >> one of these days i'm going to see scott walk right through that door. >> hope is, you know, eternal. i'm going to hope until i find him. >> throughout the program we're going to be showing photos of missing kids and adults. if you see someone who catches your eye, you should call the national center for missing and exploited center at 1-800-843-5678. if it's easier to remember. that's 1-800-the-lost with any information you may have. even if you're not sure you should call if you have any kind of suspicions. john walsh, former host of "america's most wanted" is going to be joining us throughout the entire hour. one of the things that's most startling about the discovery of these three missing women in cleveland is even though they disappeared in separate incidents years apart they all vanished within blocks of each other on the same street on lorain avenue. the home they were found is just three miles awhich. could their discovery lead to the discovery of other missing people in cleveland? according to cleveland police department 111 people there are listed as missing since 2006.
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56 in this year alone. two other women went missing from the same area. we want you to know about them. christy adtinz vanished in 1995 just four blocks away from the house where three cleveland women were found. christy was 18 years old at the time. she was also five months pregnant. her sister tanya and her stepmother mary are with us tonight. in the audience is linda summers, the stepgrandmother of ashley summers, who was 14 years old when she went missing in the same area in 2007 in cleveland. i'm glad you're all here. when you heard the news about the three missing women in cleveland, what went through your mind? >> there was immediate hope that my sister was one of the three that they found. >> and how long did that hope last for? >> maybe an hour. we immediately went to the hospital to see if it was my sister. >> are you still hopeful that something about this case will trigger some new information about your sister? >> i'm very hopeful that something will, because of this
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case, will turn around and help me find my sister. >> how do you -- do you feel the police have been on your side, have worked for you? >> i don't feel the police have really done as much as they could have for my sister. >> why? >> they came to the house one time, basically told us that she left of her own free will because she was five months from being 18, and that they weren't really going to do anything more, but if we found her to call them and let them know. >> they said if you found her call the police? >> yeah. >> how did that make you feel? >> oh, aggravated. like we're having to do their work. their eyes and ears. instead of them being out there telling us that as soon as they find anything we will hear anything. >> joan, we hear this from so many families whose kids are over the age of 18, they're 20, 21. >> the real dilemma.
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and i've got to say this to you, anderson. this show is about hope. this is keeping these cases in the forefront, and i've always asked, why does it have to be the parents and friends and family that has to do it? but that's the reality. they have to do it. and the real quandary is that, yes, most of people who run away, the 2 million kids that are reported missing every single day in this country, 99% of them turn up. but every one of ted bundy, for example, serial killer, almost every one of his 30-plus victims was listed as a runaway. they had families that begged police to say no, no, no, i know my kid. i know my daughter. or i know my sister. she didn't run away. she couldn't run away. and i said it to police for years. you're sitting there, and you make an arbitrary decision, and you sign the death warrant of that person because you say, nah, too busy, runaway.
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and it happened in this case in cleveland. >> with michelle knight. she was actually taken off the list after about six months. >> nobody cared about michelle knight. she was 20 years old. nobody but her family was looking for her. even amanda. amanda was listed initially as a runaway. before her mother died -- we profiled her on "america's most wanted" several times. her mother said, "my heart is broken. my daughter's not a runaway. she's somewhere." and she was dead right. she was in the house of hell with a horrible pedophile. >> you have no doubt that christy didn't run away. >> i'm positive my sister christy didn't run away. >> what makes you so sure? >> she was five months pregnant at the time of her disappearance, and she was going to go the next week and find out if she was having a boy or a girl. we were talking about planning a baby shower and baby names. >> and she was excited about the baby? >> she was excited. she loved children. and i just feel that she didn't run away.
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>> ashley summers, it is believed that she probably left of her own accord, that she actually packed things. she was staying at, what, her uncle's house? >> yes, her uncle's house, which is just ten blocks maybe, if that, from where the girls were found. >> and you actually believe that you saw her about seven months after she disappeared? >> correct. driving down another part of lorain avenue, it was nighttime, and we were driving one direction, and she was walking towards our car. and we had a pretty distinctive car. we had a big car, and the girl was staring, staring intently in the window. and it took a double take. i think that's her because -- >> she looked different. her hair was cut short. >> her hair was cut short, dyed blond. by the time i got the car turned around and we went back, she darted down an alley and she disappeared. >> what do you want people to know about her? >> i want people to know that
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she was a loving sister. her sisters and brothers miss her. >> did what happened this week also give you hope? >> yes, it did. we were actually hoping that she also was one of the girls. and then once we found out she wasn't we were hoping they would at least have information about her because ashley also went to the same middle school as gina dejesus. and we really believed -- and she frequented that neighborhood where they disappeared from. >> john, it really is in the end, it's up to families, it seems like, more often than not. >> to carry the ball. >> year after year. >> to keep the case alive. and you and i have done so many shows on sex trafficking. so let's say, maybe she did go. maybe she decided, i had an argument, et cetera, et cetera. how many pimps have i profiled on "america's most wanted" who have beaten or killed the girls that they picked up at the bus stop, saw run away, manipulated them, and then when those girls try to leave or testify against that pimp, you would never hear
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from them again? so many teenagers that have run have wound up being horribly exploited because, oh, they come from families of abuse or alcohol or sexual abuse. they hit the streets. the streets are worse than the house. but for them they're not. but this family is desperate know something about their girl. wouldn't it be horrible, anderson? maybe it's not castro, maybe it's somebody else. >> well, mary and tonia, i do appreciate you talking to us. and i do wish you strength in the days ahead. and linda as well. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, the search for phoenix coldon. it's been 17 months since she vanished in st. louis, missouri. her parents are still hopeful especially after what happened in cleveland, that she will come home. we're going to talk to them. as we go to break, we'll do this through the entire hour, more of the missing. if you think you've seen any of them, please call the phone number you see on your screen. we'll be right back. capella university understands businesses are trying to come
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welcome back to this special edition of "360," "vanished." we want you to remind you of the phone number for the national center for missing and exploited children. 1-800-the-lost. of course it's not only children who can vanish without a trace, as we were talking about before. michelle knight in cleveland was an adult when she was taken and because of that her disappearance did not receive the same focus as amanda berry and gina dejesus. but for the families avenue dults who are still missing the pain is no less intense, obviously. phoenix coldon was 23 years old when she disappeared in missouri. her parents are going to join us in a moment. but first here's phoenix's story. >> it was only a week before christmas in 2011 when 23-year-old phoenix coldon got into her black chevy and drove away from her house in st. louis county, missouri.
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her parents say she shot she was just going to the store. but phoenix never came back. she's been missing for nearly a year and a half. >> she backed out of the driveway and we never saw her again. >> reporter: three hours after phoenix drove off, her black chevy was impounded by police. it was found 25 minutes away from phoenix's house. the car was empty. the motor still running. the driver's side door was open. >> i need to see phoenix. i need to hug her. she needs to come home. >> phoenix is a college student at the university of missouri st. louis. she plays the piano, guitar, and is a regional champion fencer. her parents say she's the type of young woman to always call to let them know where she is. they firmly believe she's alive. phoenix's parents continue to ask the public to phone in any tips or information on phoenix's whereabouts. >> if someone calls, that's another spark of hope that we have, that we're going to find our daughter alive, and that spark is something that keeps
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you alive. >> that spark of hope is keeping them alive. phoenix's parents, goldie and lawrence coldon, join me now. thanks for being here. >> thank you for allowing us. >> it's hard for you to even see that now, isn't it? >> it is very hard. especially the part where they were searching and i told them -- i told them before that phoenix is not laying in nobody's weeds. she's not. >> you still have her bed made. you still have the christmas tree up, i understand? >> i still have -- we rearranged her room so she'd have more room. >> her room was a little messy? >> no, it's not now. but the christmas tree is still up. the original lights burned out because i keep the lights on day and night. so i put more lights on the tree. >> lawrence, we learned a lot about missed opportunities this past week with the cases in cleveland. talk about missed opportunities. the police, they found her vehicle nearby, but you
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didn't -- nobody told you about it for, what, two weeks? >> two weeks before we found out where the vehicle was, and the east st. louis police had had the vehicle towed to the impound yard probably three hours after she went missing. i understand that in a situation like that the police should have determined who the vehicle determined who the vehicle belongs to and notified the county where the vehicle is registered so that they can contact the people who owned the vehicle. and that wasn't done. so we lost two weeks of investigative time trying to find our daughter, and we didn't know where the vehicle was. >> two critical weeks, john. >> initially, those moments and those hours are so crucial, anderson, and everything -- this beautiful, accomplished girl fell through the cracks literally and disappeared off the face of the earth. >> and i've got to say, just in terms of getting media attention, which is also critical early on in a case like this, oftentimes the media focuses on, you know -- not on
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african-american people who are missing. >> blond. blond little boy with a baseball bat. elizabeth smart, blond girl from a big home. try to fight with the media. we're in the media. there's a responsibility. "america's most wanted," we don't care what color you are, but black kids stay on the news cycle for about a day maybe, and then they fall off the news cycle. hispanic kids are on for two hours. >> and you see that repeatedly? >> i have. i've been very vocal about it. >> did the police ever say to you, well, your daughter's an adult, maybe she left of her own accord? >> yes. >> when i was finally able to convince lawrence that we needed to call the police, and i call the police. he came out, and he was writing things down, and he wanted to know her birth date, and i gave him the year, and he stopped writing. >> he stopped writing? >> he stopped writing. he says, wait a minute, she's grown. she's -- and he started
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lecturing us about she's grown, she doesn't have to report anything to you. she doesn't have to tell you where she's going. i said, wait, wait, wait. i don't know what wolves raised you, but we raised our daughter to be responsible, and she lets us know periodically when she's gone, where she is, and she calls to check in. >> what every day keeps you going? >> she's my daughter. she's my child. and i don't know where she is. and i don't care -- i'm 66 years old, and i'm still my mother's little girl, and she will always be my daughter. always. and she's my little girl even though she will be 25 years old in less than two weeks. >> are you going to celebrate that birthday? >> yes. >> how do you deal with the birthday? >> quietly. >> quietly? >> quietly. we're together at home.
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and we cry and just console each other really quietly. >> john, i talked to a lot of families, sometimes people have said to them, meaning well, like isn't it time to move on? as if there's some sort of a timetable for accepting this. >> there is no timetable. until you find out what happened to your child, dead or alive -- and parents are ready to find out if they're dead. >> that's right. >> it took 27 years to solve adam's case. i knew he was dead. he was decapitated. we were lucky to find his remains. but until you close that door, that chapter of your life, look at the quiet dignity of these people. you've run out of money. you've run out of hope. your life has changed forever. you can barely go to work. and look at the quiet dignity. it never ends until you know what happened to your child and you can bury those remains somewhere with dignity. you're lucky the tiny percentage of the time to get that child back alive, and you hope that
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somebody pays for that horrible, horrible thing that happened to you. but there's no closure, anderson. >> i hate that word. it's such a tv made-up word. >> it's a tv made-up word. one day i went to work, and i never saw my son again. somebody ripped my heart out. i'm walking around. they're walking around with this quiet dignity, begging cops to look for their daughter. aren't these kids and this adult woman as important as the fiscal cliff that's on the news every damn day? >> i'd like to say something, though, about hope. we don't have to keep hope alive because our hope, if it's okay to say it, my hope is in the lord. that's where my hope is. >> nothing wrong with saying that. >> and he is always with me, will always be with me. that's what i have instilled in phoenix. that your lord is your best friend. you will never be alone. and i'm praying that that is what is sustaining her. >> i heard someone say -- and it might have been someone in this room -- saying that hope is a
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verb. it's not something you do when you're sitting, just waiting for things to happen. hope is a verb. it pushes you forward. it's action. >> hope is not a verb. hope is a part of me. it's a part of me because god is in me, it's in phoenix, it's in lawrence. so it's a verb grammatically, yes, but as far as a human being, hope is a part of me. it's in me. >> well, thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you. got to give you a hug. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> hopefully by showing phoenix's picture hopefully we'll get some information. appreciate it. for more on phoenix's story, ou can go to cnn.com. much more ahead. jacob wetterling vanished nearly 24 years ago, an 11-year-old boy who loved hockey. his parents, like so many others living the nightmare have become an advocate for missing kids. going to meet his mom straight ahead. first, d'wan sims, last seen in livonia, michigan.
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1-800-843-5678 or 1-800-the-lost. in west cleveland this week, we heard over and over how people in the community had waited for this day. they recognized the names of the three women even after all this time. the family of gina dejesus went to great lengths to make sure that she was never forgotten. for nine years, they held vigils, put gina's picture on t-shirts and posters. her 14-year-old face never disappeared even as the years passed. patty wetterling has also made sure that her son jacob has not been forgotten. she's become an advocate for the missing since he vanished over 20 years ago. you'll meet her in a moment. she's an inspiring woman. first i want to tell you about jacob. >> it was a sunday night in 1989. 11-year-old jacob wetterling wanted to rent a movie from the local convenience store. the store wasn't far away. so jacob's parents allowed him to ride his bike there with his friend aaron and his younger brother, trevor. it was jacob's first time riding his bike after dark without an adult. the boys were on their way home when they were suddenly stopped by a masked man with a gun.
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the gunman zeroed in on jacob. aaron spoke to "a current affair" about what happened next. >> he looked at me and then he grabbed jacob and he told me to run as fast as i could into the woods or he'd shoot. >> trevor and aaron looked back when they got to the woods, but the masked man and jacob were both gone. jacob hasn't been seen since. >> he's bright. he's got a real clever sense of humor and quick mind. all these things give me hope that if there's an opportunity this boy will be home. >> he hasn't been home in nearly 24 years. the masked abductor has never been identified. but jacob's family still has hope. they live in the same house with the same phone number in case jacob ever tries to come home. >> nearly 24 years later, jacob's parents, as i said, hold on to hope that he is alive. the news in cleveland certainly strengthened their hope this week. they started a foundation just months after jacob vanished.
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jacob's mom, patty wetterling joins me now. she's also chairman of the board for the national center for missing and employmented children. also coleen swik in the audience. coleen's daughter morgan vanished in 1995 at a little league game after she'd gone to catch fireflies with friends. she was never seen again. she was just 6 years old. patty, appreciate you being here, and colleen as well. you really focus on prevention as well as searching but on prevention. tell me about that. >> thank you. i'm fighting for the world -- i'm fighting for jacob but also the world that he believed in. and our kids cannot be bought and sold and exploited and abducted. and it's going to take men to become engaged in standing up and speaking out. we need to teach our young boys how to have healthy relationships so that they would not grow up to do these kinds of crimes. it's a piece of it that we don't talk about enough. >> yeah. colleen, tell me about your daughter. >> morgan was 6 years old when she was kidnapped.
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we were actually away from home in a community visiting friends at a little league baseball game. she went to catch fireflies during the last 15 minutes of the game. and when she sat down to take sand out of her shoes, the other children walked away from her, and she was taken. >> and have you had any word, any kind of clues, anything? >> i think we're very fortunate because it was a small town and law enforcement was very engaged in morgan's case. >> so you had a good experience with the police? >> we've had a very good experience with the police. we're 18 years into our search. we still have a very committed law enforcement team. we have a lot of leads that come in on morgan's case, and like patty and other parents, we fight every day to get every resource, every piece of technology to work with the media, to work with law enforcement to fight for morgan because until someone can prove to me that she's not coming home, then i'm going to fight for her to have the opportunity to come home to our family. she is not a case file at a police department. she is not a newspaper story. she's a daughter, and she's a sister, and she's a granddaughter, and she's a
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friend. >> john, it's -- and you know these two women. >> very, very well. >> they have kept their children alive in the public consciousness. >> and kept their wits about them and their heart and soul and raised other children and went to work, and they're on the board of the national center. they're the s.w.a.t. team moms, i call them. they're really seriously tough. and you're the chairman of the board this year. but they have never, ever stopped trying to push their children's faces out there. and they have the anger. they have the same anger that every parent here says, why don't we do more? why aren't they more important? >> almost all of these cases, somebody knows something. and we need them -- >> that's what's so frustrating. >> absolutely. >> and there are people, and it's often more than one person knows something. >> we need them to trust their instincts. look at the pictures. if they see something unusual, st. paul up and do something. >> in the case of shawn hornbeck, that i spoke to this week, he was watching tv with a
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neighbor and a report about missing shawn hornbeck came on the television. and the neighbor said to him, you look just like shawn hornbeck, are you shawn hornbeck? and he laughed it off, and she just kind of went about her business. >> there's a whole bunch of psychological trauma, and it will be interesting to dissect all these cases. and we learn. we learn from every one of them. absolutely. we learn more overall. the national center does a phenomenal job. >> chris -- our forensic psychologist and police psychologist. you've studied this. it's amazing to me how quickly people can be kind of broken down and become resigned to their new environment, resigned to being a hostage. >> yes. >> it happens very, very quickly. >> yes. it can happen within sometimes minutes in hostage situations, hours, days, weeks, depending upon what a person is being subjected to, and there's such horrific things that these offenders sometimes do, it is understandable how a victim might get to that place. but if they're watching, it can
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be very empowering and counteract those dysfunctional messages that a manipulative perpetrator is giving. >> it's the survival mode. you go into survival mode. and two things. elizabeth smart told me this, and so did shawn hornbeck. shawn hornbeck said, nobody has the right to ask me why i didn't run. i was 8 years old. i weighed 70 pounds. the man weighed 220 pounds and beat me and scared the hell out of me. i never believed that i could get away. elizabeth smart was kidnapped in her house with her 9-year-old sister in the bedroom. there were a couple of occasions the guy who kidnapped her did three days in jail for robbing a church while his crazy wife wanda barzee kept her handcuffed next to her. and when i talked to elizabeth after her kidnapping, and i'm the guys that advises all the families get the therapy. the national center provides full-time free therapy. do it when you're ready for it. but elizabeth went, "john, it sets me back. it breaks my heart. it kills me when people say i didn't run. this guy told me, i got in your house one time, didn't i?
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i'll go back and kill your little sister. you don't run. you're so broken down. you're terrified." and when i hear somebody else say this kid should have run, these women should have run, i say god, you walk in those shoes for one day and i'll see if you ran. >> and it was you who said hope is a verb. >> hope is a verb. you don't see parents sitting home with their feet on the couch saying gee, i hope someday i find my child. it's an action world. >> you've got to go out there. >> absolutely. we'll never stop. we're fighting for our children. they have hopes and dreams and potential. and it's our job to find them. we can never give up, ever. >> it's really a pleasure to meet you. thank you so much. >> anderson, i would really like to say that if there are any children watching your show -- because we're hearing that kids are seeing theirselves on tv. like if you see this show and you're a missing child, know that we love you and we're fighting for you. and we want you to be empowered to be able to come home. >> and that will never stop. that love, that fight.
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>> and for any missing child, even if it's not my daughter who's watching this show, if you're missing, if someone has taken you, know that we love you collectively and we are fighting for you. and we want you to come back home no, matter what has happened to you. we're here for you. >> we'll be right back. ever. nurses are dealing with a wider range of issues. and there are ever-changing regulations. when you see these challenges, do you want to back away or take charge? with a degree in the field of healthcare or nursing from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to advance your career while making a difference in the lives of patients.
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♪ welcome back to this "360" special, "vanished." what happened in cleveland this week has given hope to so many families waiting for their loved ones to be found. and it's an important reminder that girls and boys, women and men do survive abductions. katie beers was locked in a dungeon for 17 days by a family friend. chained her by the neck, sex lei becaused her. she was 9 years old. that was over 20 years ago. i'm very pleased kateio joins me now. also john walsh and kris mohandie, police forensic psychologist.
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it's good to have you here. >> thank you. >> 20 years, do you think about what happened still? do you try not to think about it? >> i try my best not to think about it. i've buried my childhood very far. i wrote a book, and that was the final part of my recovery process. >> i read the book, which is an extraordinary account of what happened. >> thank you. >> reliving it for the writing of it must have been incredibly difficult. john esposito, the man who took you, he was actually a family friend. >> yes, all my life. >> so you went with him willingly. you felt like this was someone you could trust. >> my mother had told me not to go with him but didn't tell me why. so when my godmother told me it was okay, i reluctantly went with john. >> in the course of this, a lot was learned about the family situation that you had been kidnapped from, which was also a hellish and difficult situation. >> yes. >> how did you get through those 17 days? >> like i said before, adrenaline kept me going, the
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desire to go back and live with my biological mom, and i think that the abuse that i had sustained the first ten years of my life almost prepared me for this captivity. >> it is incredible, john, when you talk to people about -- how they're able to survive, how they're able to make it through. >> survival mode comes in. i think the women, the girls are tougher than the boys, i really believe that, just from my having met so many. this is the poster woman. this is the poster woman of a survivor. she's married, has two kids, comes to national center events, willing to talk about it. lots of people that go through that will turn to drugs or alcohol. they can't sustain a relationship. this is the poster woman right here. but this creep, again, people in this audience and everybody listening to this can't wrap their head around the fact that many times it is someone, a trusted authority figure, the jerry sanduskys, the coaches, the next-door neighbor. this guy built a dungeon and put a huge slab over it so he could
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kidnap her and keep her as his toy. there is the sociopath hiding amongst us. they're the guy next door. >> and he'd been building this dungeon for a long time. >> yes. >> this was more than a year. >> i actually remember watching my brother and either a friend of my brother's or my cousin who had passed away when i was 6 years old jumping in and out of this and wrestling in it and playing in it. and i was too little to partake in that event. >> he'd already built it then? >> he was in the process of building it, yes. >> how do you rebuild a life? how do you move forward? >> my foster parents did an amazing job of just getting me -- or giving me a normal life. >> you went to live with foster parents? >> after i was released, yes. i went to live with a foster family, and they were phenomenal. i had a mom. i had a dad. i had siblings. they just very much, with everything that was going on in my life around me, they kept me out of the media spotlight, and they just let me be a normal
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child. i went to school every day. i played basketball with my foster brothers. i played hide and go seek. it was a great experience that they were able to give me. >> saying that being kept out of the media, i do think that's really important. and as a member of the media, you no, it's our job to interview people and stuff. but as i said to the family of gina dejesus just the other day, she should have as much privacy as she wants. if she never wants to tell her story, that's her right. >> you and i have discussed this a million times. every time a kid gets recovered that i profiled on "america's most wanted," someone will call me up or wherever i'm working, you can get the get. the get is you can get the kid. you can get the parents. i go no, i'm not. this girl got in a great place. by the way, you are one of the bravest and -- i mean, you are one of the bravest, strongest women i've ever met in my life. you truly are. [ applause ] you're a great mom. and you didn't have a great mom. that foster family saved you. but i say to all those victims
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in cleveland the dejesus family believe in me. they thank me in the press conference. i say, if you never want to talk to the press, don't do it. if you feel strong enough, do it. you don't have an obligation. elizabeth stayed out of the press for almost a year plus. and then she walked the halls of congress for the adam walsh act. >> the other thing about what's happening in cleveland is there's such interest in it, so many media people there, they almost feel held hostage again in their own homes. they can't leave their homes. gina dejesus was in her backyard for about two hours, then apparently a local news helicopter started circling overhead and she had to go back inside. kris, as a psychologist what do you recommend to people who have been abducted? i mean, how do you survive? how do you get through in those -- when you're hostage? >> while you're a hostage? >> yeah. >> i think it's about keeping yourself occupied, focusing in on positive thoughts and memories. even in the midst of what's
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happening to you, the things that you truly do believe in that you know are -- cannot be taken away from you. it might be a great faith that you have in a spiritual belief system. it might be a faith in people that you've known, positive messages that you've received because the offenders are trying to take that all away from you. and it's the last great act of defiance to still be able to have a triumph of the human spirit over those things. >> i see you nodding your head. you agree with this. >> most certainly. >> katie, it's really an honor to meet you. thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> as i said, katie wrote a remarkable book about her experiences. it's called "buried memories: katie beers's stories." in cleveland it was neighbors who helped free the women held by ariel castro. sometimes all it takes is someone hearing or seeing, not turning away, reaching out, reaching a hand out to help. up next the heroes that took action when gut instinct told them something was wrong. >> i heard her screaming. i'm eating my mcdonald's. i come outside.
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...and we inspected his brakes for free. -free is good. -free is very good. [ male announcer ] now get 50% off brake pads and shoes at meineke. ♪ here in new york city, a phrase that become well known after the destruction at ground zero, it's a phrase that still matters. if you see something, say something. charles ramsey saw something in cleveland and took action. >> heard that girl scream, saw him run across the street, and i went outside and wondered what he was doing. and amanda say, "i'm stuck in here. help get me out." >> so he either don't know
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english that well or panicked. he just looked at me and "it's a girl." that's all he did. so here i come with my half-eaten big mac. and i say what's up? >> he likes his big macs. the other man he's referring to is angel cordero, who also heard amanda scream and came to help. in another shocking case, jaycee dugard's 18 years of captivity ended because two california police officials saw something that didn't add up and intuition told them to dig deeper. they came in contact with phillip garrido, dugard's kidnapper, who was with his two young children. something wasn't right. a hunch to call the parole officer cracked the case. garrido didn't have two daughters. those police officials are with us, allison jacobs and lisa campbell. great to have you with us. also, amber deahn, a waitress at an idaho restaurant who spotted a child resembling a child in a missing children's poster. rather than ignore the resemblance, she called the police, saving the kidnapped child. heroes certainly in our eyes. [ applause ] so explain to me how did philip garrido come to you? >> philip garrido came -- i was
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an events manager at u.c. berkeley with the police department. and so he came into the office in an attempt to get a permit for an event that he wanted to host on campus. >> and what about him -- i mean, what was that gut intuition you had? >> he was peculiar in and of himself, but the fact that he had two young daughters with him was even more alarming. that's where the bells started going off. philip, i could not determine whether or not at that point he was a professor, a student, just a random homeless guy. the girls were sort of recessed on the outer office, but once they emerged, my immediate attention went to the girls. and i began -- i'm thinking, whose children are these? and he immediately said, they're mine. and they resembled him. so there was no doubt in my mind that the children were his. i think the question then was, well, who had kids with this guy? really. i mean, he was just that out of sorts. he was just all over the place. so i think that's where the trigger sort of started. >> did you have that same initial reaction? >> it just didn't add up from a police standpoint.
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you have someone that is going on about how he can talk to god. and he smells like a homeless man. and then he's got these two well-kept beautiful girls with him. didn't add up at all. and that's exactly when my mother intuition went, what are these girls doing with this guy? why are they with him? why are they not flinching when he said he's on parole for kidnapping and rape? why are they not embarrassed that their father just said i can talk to god? because socially a 15-year-old girl, 11-year-old girl would be completely embarrassed if their dad just said that. >> who was it that called the parole officer? >> i called the parole officer. after the meeting was over, basically me and lisa look at each other, big sigh, what was going on? we both knew that something wasn't right about the situation. i wanted the parole officer to do a home check. that's when he told me, philip garrido doesn't have any children. >> and when you heard that, what went through your mind? >> i said, you know, they looked like him. they had his eyes. they didn't seem to be in distress at all. and he's got kids and you need to go do a check. >> you've got two real heroes
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here who did what the fbi, the u.s. marshals, every law enforcement agency in the country was looking for jaycee dugard for 18 years. these two ladies' gut's feelings saved that woman and her two girls' lives. >> and your gut feeling as well. you were a waitress. it was late at night. a little girl comes in. explain what happened. >> it was about 2:30 in the morning on a friday night, i believe. i was fully pregnant with my second child at the time, working a night shift. >> thrilled to be working the night shift, i'm sure. >> oh, absolutely. not being able to bend over was great. but it was odd to have children come in. we did have a few regulars who would swing in and grab something because the baby wasn't sleeping. but to see a 7, 8, 9-year-old little girl walk into a restaurant looking completely just depressed. tried to give her crayons to have something to do, and she
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wouldn't make eye contact. she kept her hands in a prayer position between her legs, head down, shoulders slumped forward. >> did you recognize her right away as shasta groene? >> i didn't -- how can i put this? i recognized her, but i didn't recognize her. something in the back of my brain recognized her, and i knew something was wrong. >> and that's what's so amazing because a lot of people might have that feeling and just let it go and think, oh, you know what, what are the chances of this? but you actually called police. and not only that, delayed them so that the police would get there. >> fourth of july weekend is a huge weekend in coeur d'alene, lots of firework performances, and we had to get officers from the lake up the one way to where the denny's restaurant was. it was just a matter of time. >> but you asked to use the phone, and your boss at the time said no, we're too busy, can't make the phone call. >> really? >> yeah. how about that? >> we had two phones in the
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restaurant. well, three. there's one in the manager's office. a pay phone that hadn't worked in forever. and a waitress phone where people could call in, but you couldn't call out. my manager at the time refused to allow me entrance into the office to make the call. >> so how did you make the call? >> i threatened to walk out. she said if i did i was fired. and i argued with her until she finally opened the office up and then she made the call, and i gave the description to her, and she relayed it to dispatch. [ applause ] >> unbelievable. and also, we're all in this together. i mean, there's not a law enforcement issue or it shouldn't be the parents on their own. we're all in this. we're all citizens. >> on the same side. >> we're all citizens, and we all have a role to play in this. >> nobody needs credentials to do the right thing. it takes a village to raise a family, to sustain itself. there's -- i don't have any credentials. i'm not a police officer. i don't work with the fbi. i was a pregnant mother on the night shift trying to make ends meet. if i can do it, there's no reason nobody else can.
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i want to thank our audience members, especially the families who are looking for their loved ones. if you have any information about any of the missing people that you saw tonight during this program please call the national center for missing and exploited children. the number is 1-800-the-lost. or 1-800-843-5678. also kris mohandie, john walsh. thank you so much. [ applause ] thanks for watching, everybody. the following is a cnn the following is a cnn special report. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, i'm randi kaye. it was a shocking trial revealing details of sex, stalking and secrets. now, five years after jodi arias killed her boyfriend, after four months of riveting testimony, we
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have a verdict. guilty of first-degree murder. tonight, watch the testimony, weigh the evidence yourself, and you decide whether you agree or disagree with the jury's decision and whether jodi deserves the death penalty. we want to warn you, it is graphic. and the images and the language may be too explicit for young viewers. a sordid story of sex, lies -- >> i'm not guilty. >> -- and audiotapes. >> certainly the best times are when we just go for a freaking romp session. >> the trial of jodi anne arias has finally come to a dramatic end. >> the state of arizona versus jodi anne arias, verdict, count one. we, the jury, find the defendant as to count one, first-degree murder, guilty. >> it was a trial that transfixed the nation.
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>> this is a case, this is a story, this is a criminal defendant unlike any other we've ever met before. jodi arias, beautiful, young woman, accused of brutally murdering her ex-boyfriend, travis alexander, a young guy, seemingly had this great, sexual relationship. but then she stabs him 29 times, almost decapitates him, shoots him in the head. >> justice for travis! >> it's a verdict that delivered justice for travis alexander. [ cheers and applause ] >> i think justice worked. i mean, i listened to the same evidence that the 12 jurors listened to. i was convinced. jodi arias wasn't attacked, no, no, no, travis alexander was the one who was attacked, slaughtered and killed. >> this tale of passion gone wrong cost travis alexander his life. now, it could cost jodi arias hers. she faces the death penalty.
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>> i think the evidence in this case was overwhelming about her obsession and her fatal attraction to travis alexander. >> an attraction that began in, of all places, sin city. >> we were there for a convention. our company had a big event there. i was there in las vegas with him. >> travis alexander was a motivational speaker, compelling effective. he was also a close friend and co-worker of david hughes in the fall of 2006. >> and i knew that he was single and he was always looking for ms. alexander. >> enter saleswoman and aspiring photographer jodi arias. >> i said hey, there's this cute girl i work with. you should meet her. and i introduced them. they were able to develop a relationship pretty quickly from
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there. >> they met in vegas. the night they met, it seemed things heated up very quickly. because jodi arias has said within a week or so they're having sex in the car. >> jodi and travis had an instant physical connection. a whirlwind romance, but a long-distance one with her in palm desert, california and him five hours away in mesa, arizona. still, that wouldn't slow them down. shanna hogan is the author of "picture perfect," about the jodi arias case. >> from the very beginning travis and jodi were almost in constant communication. they talked every day. they exchanged thousands of e-mails and text messages. >> jodi was so attracted to travis that she converted to the church of latter day saints because travis was a mormon. >> she started to inquire more about the lds faith and ended up joining the church, which i'm sure that brought their
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relationship, made it even stronger. >> to outsiders, travis and jodi appeared devout. a pure mormon couple. but appearances, as was often the case with these two, would prove deceiving. >> secretly, behind the scenes, travis and jodi's relationship was not pure. it wasn't chaste. they had this intense sexual relationship that they kept hidden from everyone. >> but jodi couldn't keep everything hidden, especially from travis's long-time friends, many of whom found his new love a bit odd and a bit troubling. >> we don't like jodi coming over to our home. we felt very uncomfortable with her coming to our home. >> david hughes recalls a chilling encounter between his brother, his sister-in-law, and jodi arias. >> well, they're having this conversation trying to convince travis to break up with her. she is right outside the upstairs door listening to the whole conversation, and she walked in and she just had this face on like she was the devil
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and she was going to commit a murder right then and there. >> right away, travis's friends were concerned. it was clear that she liked him a lot more than he liked her. travis wanted a normal life. jodi wanted to be with him more than anything. and it was an extremely unhealthy bond that they shared. >> and a normal, healthy life was something travis had wanted desperately, since growing up in riverside, california. >> travis's childhood was full of poverty, neglect, physical violence. >> his parents were both addicted to drugs. and so he wasn't raised by his parents. he was eventually -- his grandmother is the one that raised him. but yeah, it was a tough upbringing. >> jodi, too, has said she didn't have it easy growing up. that she was no stranger to abuse. >> she grew up being very artistic. she played the flute. she had a lot of brothers and sisters and was very close with them all. so jodi's childhood was fairly ideal compared to travis's.
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but she does describe like incidences of physical violence. >> jodi and travis burned red hot, at least for a while. but by the summer of 2007, their relationship had cooled, in part because of jodi's increasing jealousy over travis's interest in other women. >> jodi went through his phone and discovered these flirty messages to other women. and she decided to end their relationship at that point. but at the same time travis was looking to end the relationship. >> jodi and travis did break up. but that didn't mean they weren't still friends with benefits. >> clearly, jodi enjoyed her sexual life with travis. but it must have been tormenting. in her diary jodi writes about how she loves travis so fully and completely that she doesn't know any other way to be. he was just her entire focus. and she was extremely obsessed with him. >> so obsessed, apparently, that jodi never took her eye off of travis no matter how far apart they were.
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>> i absolutely know that she was stalking him many times, just like when she went in through the back door when he was kissing another girl on his couch. she's spying on him. that's what's really happening here. >> she slashed his tires. she broke into his e-mail account. she hacked into his facebook page. she broke into his house and stole his journals. she read his diary. she just did these crazy, stalking behaviors. >> jodi has long-denied stalking travis. then, on june 4th, 2008 she made one last visit to her estranged lover's home, arriving in the wee hours of the morning. >> travis is there, according to her, and he's online and they go to sleep. but when they wake up, then they get back to what travis and jodi always do, which is engage in sex. and they didn't just engage in sex. they brought cameras into play.
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travis taking pictures of jodi, jodi taking pictures of travis. neither one of them wearing any clothes. but it's what they do. it's what they've always done. since they met. >> coming up, a sex-fuelled afternoon explodes into an orgy of violence. we used to live with a bear. [growl] we'd always have to go everywhere with it. get in the front. we drive. it was so embarrasing that we just wanted to say, well,
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[ male announcer ] now get 50% off brake pads and shoes at meineke. monday, june 9th, 2008. 90 minutes until midnight in a mesa, arizona community called mountain ranch. nobody had heard from travis alexander in five days. so a handful of concerned friends went looking for him. >> through another friend they get the code to the garage. they go inside the house. it smells. there's a foul odor hanging in the air. >> they found their friend pale and lifeless on the shower floor. >> oh, my god. >> 911 emergency. >> a friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. we hadn't heard from him for a while. his roommates just went in there and said there's lots of blood. >> travis's body had nearly 29
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stab marks, including the slash across his neck from ear to ear. there was a .25-caliber gunshot wound over his right eyebrow and massive amounts of blood all over the master suite. soaked into the bedroom carpet and splattered all over the bathroom. the sink, the mirror, the floor. his friends had immediate suspicions about who did it. >> has he been threatened by anyone recently? >> yes, he has. he has an ex-girlfriend that's been bothering him and following him and slashing tires and things like that. her name is jodi. >> but when investigators reached jodi by phone, she insisted she'd be nowhere near mesa, for months. this was version one of her story. >> it was around april that you last saw him, right? >> early april. >> you haven't been back in town since then? >> no, i haven't at all. >> but investigators are able to place jodi at the crime scene.
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thanks to a handprint, hair, and travis's camera. discovered in his washing machine. >> can you imagine when the police found that camera and they said oh, the camera is destroyed, it's been through the washing machine. but they take that little memory card and they find these photos? and detective flores got the call. you're not going to believe this. what we've got. >> the memory card survived the wash. >> the memory card survived the wash. >> those photos lay out a timeline. at 5:30 p.m. jodi uses the camera to take the last picture of travis alive. he's in the shower. >> she's taking pictures of him and probably said to him, oh, let me get a picture of you seated. because she needed to level the playing field. she's able to stab him in the heart. >> investigators say there's a struggle in the bathroom and then jodi follows travis into his bedroom. >> he falls.
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maybe he's on his hands and need. and that's when she did the coup de grace. across his neck. and then turned him over and turned him around and dragged him down the hall. >> this is at 5:32 p.m. it is one of three accidental photos taken after the last shower picture. prosecutors will later claim it's jodi's leg over travis's upper body, as she prepares to drag him back to the shower. >> what if i could show you proof you were there? >> i wasn't there. >> you need to be honest with me, jodi. >> i was not at travis's house. i was not. >> you were at travis's house. you guys had a sexual encounter, which there's pictures. >> are you sure those pictures aren't from another time? >> positive. absolutely positive.
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>> by now it was july. jodi was in police custody, but she was still sticking to version number one. >> this is absolutely over. you need to tell me the truth. >> listen, the truth is i did not hurt travis. >> during that same interview there was this -- yoga moves, stretches and even a headstand. >> i believe it tells you that jodi arias is trying to get comfortable in that room. and she's not able to get comfortable because she has to change her story. because investigators have more evidence than she thought they were going to have. >> this is the shower. sitting here -- >> the very next day jodi decided to change her story to version two. >> she talked about two intruders coming into the house and they attacked travis and they were attacking her and she gets wounded in the incident and he's being stabbed and he's yelling and he's screaming and
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telling her go to the neighbors and get help. >> he didn't discuss much. he just argued. >> about what? >> about whether or not to kill me. >> for what reason? >> because i'm a witness. >> a witness of what? >> him. of travis. >> of travis's murder? >> jodi took version 2 to the court of public opinion months later on the show "inside edition." >> i witnessed travis being attacked by two individuals. >> who? >> i don't know who they were. i couldn't pick them out in a police line-up. >> and she made this bold prediction. >> no jury is going to convict me. >> why not? >> because i'm innocent. and you can mark my words on that one. >> then, in 2010, two years after the murder, jodi's lawyers file a shocking court document, indicating jodi will change her story yet again. she would finally admit to killing travis but claim it was self-defense.
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>> story one, i wasn't there. i wasn't there. what are you talking about? version number two -- all right, i was there. but there was these two ninjas that came in and they killed travis and they threatened to kill me, and i was able to get out of there. story three, i was there. and i did it. but i did it in self-defense because travis was going to kill me. >> coming up, the trial. jodi takes the stand to give her side of the story. >> he called me a bitch and kicked me in the ribs. all business purchases. so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase.
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the state of arizona versus jodi ann arias, indictment. count one, first degree murder, premeditated murder. >> it's been more than four years since friends discovered travis alexander's dead body crumpled up in his bathroom shower. >> jodi arias killed travis alexander. there is no question about it. the million-dollar question is what would have forced her to do it? >> after telling two different stories about her innocence jodi now admitted under oath she was the killer. >> did you kill travis alexander on june 4th, 2008? >> yes, i did. >> but she denied the charge against her, that she had planned travis's murder.
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>> why? >> the simple answer is that he attacked me and i defended myself. >> she pled not guilty, claiming self-defense, that she was forced to kill travis. >> in just those two minutes jodi had to make a choice. she would either live or she would die. >> in a death penalty case you want sympathy. you need an explanation for the defendant's actions and what they did. >> the defense's explanation was to blame the victim. >> that's what they have to do in a self-defense case. >> "in session's" beth karas has been in the courtroom every day of the trial. >> they have to blame the victim. they're saying, look, he was attacking me, he was about to kill me, i had no choice. her problem is that you know, self-defense is you can use force when you are being threatened but you have to use equal force.
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>> the defense called witnesses, including a close friend. >> the defense calls desiree freedom. >> to try and shatter the image of travis as the pure mormon man. >> in your religion is premarital sex allowed? >> no. >> did travis claim to be a virgin? >> yes, he did. >> did he seem happy to be a virgin? >> yes. >> and did he seem proud? >> yes. >> travis alexander, there's no question he was conflicted. he was trying to be a good mormon and probably was, except when it came to jodi arias she would have sex with him. and they kept it a secret. but if this got out, it would hurt his standing in his church, in his social circle. it might have hurt him professionally. >> jodi was, in the words of her defense attorney, travis's dirty little secret, something he vividly demonstrated in this lurid phone call. >> you, you were hot.
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start touching yourself. >> when you hear this call, it's crucial to understand the difference. the difference between the type of person that travis portrayed himself to be versus the things that he said on this recorded call. >> that was so hot. that actually, so -- like the way you moan sounds like -- sounds like a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. it's so hot. >> reporter: jodi's attorneys argued that travis was just the last in a long line of people, family and boyfriends, who had physically and mentally abused jodi. >> it appears their strategy was that everything that happened in her life from her childhood and through all the relationships with men culminated in this
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killing. >> your life was pretty ideal up until about age 7. something different after age 7 or -- >> i think that's the first year my dad started using a belt. >> jodi told the court that her brawny father inflicted great pain. >> as i became a teenager my dad would get rougher and rougher. he would just shove me into furniture, sometimes in the piano or things like that, into tables, chairs, desks, whatever was around. he would just push me really hard and i would go flying into that. >> reporter: and with her mother looking on from the front row, jodi also accused her of being abusive. >> my mom began to carry a wooden spoon in her purse. if we were misbehaving, she would use it on us. >> what do you mean by use it on you? >> she would hit us with it. >> she hit you hard? >> it felt pretty hard, yes.
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>> jodi portrayed herself as the victim of a string of bad choices when it came to men. describing one abusive relationship after another. especially travis alexander. admitting that she loved him despite his being what she described as demeaning, physically abusive, and controlling. >> he body-slammed me on the floor at the foot of his bed. he called me a bitch and kicked me in the ribs. and that hurt for real. >> a somber jodi recalled that the day travis baptized her, what was supposed to be a new beginning turned out to be more of the same. >> i was in my church clothes. he was in his church clothes. the kissing got more passionate, more intense. and then he spun me around and he bent me over the bed and he
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was just on top of me. i didn't think anything was -- that he was just going to keep kissing me. he began to have anal sex with me. >> after this encounter on this spiritual day how did you feel about yourself? >> after he left, shortly after he left, i felt -- i didn't feel very good. i kind of felt like a used piece of toilet paper. >> for the victim's family sitting in the courtroom the portrayal of an allegedly domineering and sexual travis was difficult to hear. >> do me a favor and take a look at this exhibit, see if you recognize it. >> text messages from travis appearing to treat jodi as his sex slave. >> he says that this photo shoot is going to be one of the best
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experiences of your life and his. he also says you'll rejoice in "being a whore that's sole purpose in life is to be mine to have animal sex with and to please me in any way i desire." >> jodi even accused travis of being a pedophile. >> i walked in, and travis was on the bed masturbating. he started grabbing at something on the bed, and i realized they were papers. and as he was grabbing the papers, one kind of went sailing off the bed. it was a picture of a little boy. >> the defense is trying literally to trash travis. >> you were still willing to be tied to a tree if that's what he wanted. >> attack his character. >> assertive, aggressive, and authoritative. >> make the jury dislike him. >> he said i looked like a pure whore. >> hate him, loathe him. because he's the bad guy.
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he's the evildoer. he's the pedophile. he's the sexual deviant. this guy is bad news. and he's the one who ruined jodi arias's life. he's the one that made her do it. >> to the defense it was travis the monster. jodi, his victim. but to the prosecution it was all an unsustainable lie. >> when do you decide to tell the truth? when you're in this court and no place else? is that what -- what i'm hearing from you? >> no. >> coming up, the prosecutor goes on the attack. >> just because you're in this court doesn't mean you have to tell the truth. i mean, that's what you're telling us, right? >> that's not what i'm telling anyone. this is america.
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no jury is going to convict me. >> why not? >> because i'm innocent. and you can mark my words on that one. no jury will convict me. >> i made that statement in september 2008, i believe it was. and at the time i had plans to commit suicide. so i was extremely confident that no jury would convict me because i didn't expect any of you to be here. >> and that's you saying that you're going to not be convicted because you're going to commit suicide. >> that's correct. >> you're saying that you're innocent, right? >> yes. >> and you believed that no jury would convict you because you were going to lie your way out of it, right? >> no. >> objection. argumentative. >> sustained.
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>> jodi arias has since admitted to killing travis alexander but claimed it was a justified, split-second decision to save her own life. >> the road to the death penalty here is paved with premeditation. that's what the prosecution has to prove. so where do they go for premeditation? >> for starters, prosecutor juan martinez goes to what he says was jodi's attempt at a cover-up. like wanting a less conspicuous rental car for the drive to travis's house. >> you didn't want the color red -- >> yes. >> -- correct? the color red seems to stand out, doesn't it? >> i don't know. i just heard they get more tickets. >> right. so it had to do with the police department, right? you did not want to stand out. >> and just hours after killing travis calling his cell phone and leaving a message. >> this is exhibit number 365. >> my phone died, so i wasn't getting back to anybody. and what else?
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oh, and i drove a hundred miles in the wrong direction, over a hundred miles, thank you very much. so yeah. remember new mexico? it was a lot like that. only you weren't here to prevent me from going into the three digits. so fun, fun. tell you all about that later. >> and the reason why you went to great lengths to do that was because if there was any suspicion it wouldn't be drawn to you, correct? >> not immediately. that was the point, yes. >> right. you wanted to -- the police to look elsewhere, right? >> i guess. >> so you call mr. alexander and you left him a message, right? >> yes. >> but despite her early efforts at a cover-up, jodi now took the jury through the grisly details of the killing, starting when she dropped travis's new camera. >> at that point travis flipped out again.
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he stood up and he stepped out of the shower and he picked me up as he was screaming that i was a stupid idiot, and he body-slammed me again on the tile. he told me that a 5-year-old can hold a camera better than i can. when i hit the tile, i rolled over on the side and started running down the hallway. so i ran into the closet and i slammed the door. >> then jodi reached for a .25-caliber gun she said travis kept on the shelf. >> i grabbed the gun. i ran out of the closet. he was chasing me. i turned around. we were in the middle of the bathroom. i pointed it at him with both of my hands. i thought that would stop him. if someone were pointing a gun at me, i would stop. but he just kept running. he got -- like a linebacker he got kind of low and grabbed my
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waist. but before he did that as he was lunging at me the gun went off. >> there's zero evidence, independent evidence, evidence other than words out of jodi arias's mouth that establish travis alexander as a gun owner. there is none. >> your grandfather also had guns, didn't he? >> prosecutor juan martinez's theory was that one week before killing travis jodi had staged a burglary at the home she shared with her grandparents. >> you heard what items were taken including a .25-caliber handgun. you heard that, right? >> yes, i heard that. >> prosecutors were questioning this burglary because they believe the .25-caliber gun that was allegedly stolen from her grandfather's house was actually the gun used by jodi arias to shoot travis alexander. >> when travis's body was found in the shower, there was only one bullet wound but almost 30 knife wounds. and he'd nearly been decapitated.
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an unforgettable scene that jodi claims she doesn't remember. >> i have no memory of stabbing him. i was in the bathroom. i remember dropping the knife, and it clanged to the tile and made a big noise. and i just remember screaming. i don't remember anything after that. there's a lot of that day that i don't remember. there are a lot of gaps. like i don't know if i blacked out or what. there was a huge gap. >> she had such memory recall of things from years before. details of meals and how many people were in the elevator and what happened on this date and what kind of sex she had on that date. and when it came to slicing and stabbing travis alexander 29 times, she had no recollection. >> are you saying that you're
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having a hard time remembering things that are happening now that you've shot him? >> yes. >> so it appears, then, that your memory becomes faulty immediately upon you shooting him. >> yeah. things get very foggy from there. >> immediately -- the shot takes him down, and it creates a fog for you. is that what you're saying? >> it begins to create a fog. >> a psychologist for the defense testified that the fog was caused by the stress of travis's attack. >> it appears as if she suffers from dissociative amnesia. and according to the research, the more intense the trauma, the more likely and the more complete the amnesia. >> dr. samuels said jodi's amnesia was caused by post-traumatic stress disorder, ptsd. another defense expert testified that jodi was a victim of domestic violence.
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>> given everything that you have reviewed, that you've read in this case, that you've seen, do you have an opinion, an ultimate opinion in your expertise about whether or not miss arias was an abused -- in an abusive relationship? >> yes, i believe she was in an abusive relationship. >> and do you believe in your expert opinion that jodi was a battered woman, or is a battered woman? >> yes, i do. >> but martinez tore into the defense experts. >> i'm sorry. i don't see it that way. >> right. you wouldn't see it that way because you have feelings for the defendant, right? >> i beg your pardon, sir. >> you seem to be having trouble answering my question. >> i have trouble -- >> if you have a problem understanding the question, ask me that. if you want to -- do you want to spar with me? will that affect the way you view your testimony? >> objection. argumentative. sustained. >> and on his final exchange with jodi arias martinez made perhaps his most important point, that she is a liar. >> so you lied to him, right?
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>> objection. argumentative. asked and answered. >> sustained. >> you didn't tell the whole story then, right? that's what you said, right? >> that would be accurate. >> reporter: and with that prosecutor juan martinez abruptly ended his grilling and gripping cross-examination of jodi arias. next, jurors get a turn to ask questions. >> what is your understanding of the word "skank"? >> a hint of what they might be thinking. oh, no, no, no...i'm sorry, but this is all wrong? i would never say that. writer: well what would you say? gecko: well i'd probably emphasize the savings. ya know...lose that green with envy bit. rubbish. it's just a reference about my complexion. writer: but the focus groups thought that the... gecko: focus groups. geico doesn't use focus groups. uhh...excuse me. no one told me we were using focus groups.
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and this jury asked hundreds and hundreds of questions. to witnesses and to the defendant herself. i mean, this is the woman who's facing murder one charges and the death penalty, and the jury asking her questions. some of them very, very important questions. others a little sarcastic. >> what is your understanding of the word "skank"? >> they had questions about jodi's sex life with travis. >> if you didn't want to be tied up to a tree, why would you go up and look for a place where he could do that? >> questions about her killing travis. >> were you mad at travis while you were stabbing him? >> and question after question about jodi's many lies. >> why did you decide to tell the truth two years after the killing? >> why did you wait for so long to tell the truth? >> would you decide to tell the truth if you never got arrested? >> i honestly don't know the answer to that question.
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>> i believe the jurors who asked those questions did not believe her. >> after the barrage of questions and testimony from a few more defense witnesses -- >> at this point the defense rests. >> next up, prosecutor juan martinez with rebuttal witnesses. martinez worked to cast doubt on every aspect of jodi's story. both what she claimed happened and what the defense witnesses said was her state of mind. clinical psychologist janeen demarte had conducted a 12-hour clinical interview with jodi. >> i conducted the four tests that we've already discussed. >> and after that did you have an opinion as to what the diagnosis was in this case? >> after looking at that, taking in consideration her behavioral observations, and all of the different pieces of information that i had, yes, i did. >> and what was that? >> i diagnosed her on axis 2 as borderline personality disorder. >> what does that mean?
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>> you can think of it similar to what we see in teenagers often. this sense of immaturity. there's unstable interpersonal relationships, unstable emotions, and an unstable sense of identity, meaning who am i as a person. there's this constant fluctuation. there's a lot of manipulation. >> the defense attempted to discredit demarte's diagnosis by calling one last witness. >> do you have an opinion with regard to whether or not dr. demarte has an adequate understanding of how to administer these tests and make a diagnosis? >> yes. >> okay. what is that opinion? >> she does not appear to have either an adequate understanding of their uses or their interpretation or the actual ways those tests are to be used. >> finally, closing arguments. >> the key for the prosecution is premeditation. premeditation in this case is the road to first degree, which is what then puts this case into the death penalty phase.
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premeditation. that she reflected upon her plan to kill travis alexander. doesn't have to take a week. doesn't have to take a month. it can just be a moment. but he has to prove that jodi arias planned the killing, had time to reflect on it, and then acted on that plan. >> this individual, the defendant, jodi ann arias, killed travis alexander. and even after stabbing him over and over again. and even after slashing his throat from ear to ear and then even after taking a gun and shooting him in the face, she not let him rest in peace. but now instead of a gun, instead of a knife, she uses lies and she uses these lies in court when she testified.
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she's an individual who is manipulative. this is an individual who wants to play the victim. >> juan martinez's closing arguments, clear theme, is manipulation, that jodi arias manipulates everybody, including the members of the jury by lying to them, lying to travis, lying to investigators. that's a theme throughout. >> then it was the defense's turn with kirk nurmi making their case. >> it's not even about whether or not you like jodi arias. nine days out of ten, i don't like jodi arias. >> anything less than first degree is a victory for the defense. so you want to play that story of self-defense, that something happened in the hoot of passion between these two people who were one time linked together as lovers. >> jodi arias says travis alexander yelled at her for
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dropping the camera. he called her stupid. he said even a 5-year-old could hold a rm ka. then he jumps out and he attacks and then he holds her down and she remembers that on a previous occasion when he holds her down, he choked her to the point where she lost consciousness. she feared that it might go farther. this time was different. he was angry. he was angry in a different way. she was in reasonable fear that he was going to end her life. >> after four months of testimony and 18 days of jodi arias taking the stand, her fate rested with the jury. >> single count against jodi arias, first-degree murder. if they don't find first degree, they can go down to second degree. if there's no premeditation, if they find it was done in the heat of passion, then it's
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manslaughter. or if they believe self-defense, then it's not guilty. >> please be seated. the record will show the presence of the jury, the defendant and all counsel. ladies and gentlemen, i understand you have reached a verdict. >> it would take just over 15 hours to reach a verdict. >> the state of arizona versus jodi ann arias, verdict, count one. we the jury duly impanelled and sworn in the above entitled action upon our oaths do find the defendant as to count one, first-degree murder, guilty. >> wow. wow. 12 people all agreeing that this was premeditated murder. huge win for juan martinez. juan martinez convinced 12 people that it was her attacking him, that she planned it, it was her idea and she executed it. >> number four is this your true verdict? >> yes. >> the victim's family breathed sighs of relief while the public celebrated outside.
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>> you have more of a reaction from travis alexander's siblings who are all seated behind everything, and you can hear them, you can see them. some are hugging, others are just breaking down and crying. >> jodi arias' reaction, measured. >> i don't think jodi arias was shocked. but i think this is a confusing part of her life because i think she always got her way. because she took advantage of her looks, she took advantage of who she was and she was able to talk her way through everything. but you can't talk your way out of first-degree murder. >> minutes after the verdict, jodi would do more talking, this time with a local tv station. >> just a couple of minutes ago, you heard the verdict from the jury. what are your thoughts? >> i think i just went blank.
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it was unexpected, for me, yes, because there was no premeditation on my part. >> i've prosecuted cases. i've been covering the nation's biggest trials for more than a decade. i've never seen this. you've just been convicted of first-degree murder and the first thing you do, you don't huddle with your lawyers, you don't talk to your mom. >> jodi talked about her possible death sentence. >> i said years ago that i'd rather get death than life and that still is true today. i believe death is the ultimate freedom. >> she's saying, i'd rather die than spend life in prison. >> that's up to the jury to decide. >> next for jodi arias is sitting in front of those same 12 jurors, the eight men and four women who found that she premeditated the killing of travis alexander and they're going to decide whether or not she lives or dies.
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the death penalty. more witnesses will be called and victim impact statements given. the defense may offer its own witnesses and ask the jury to stay jodi's life. stay tuned for the latest developments. i'm randi kaye. i'm randi kaye. thanks for watching. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com [ speaking foreign language ] ♪ ♪ i took a walk ♪ through this beautiful world
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