sure something like this does not happen again, i am happy to get their advice and information and council. but the fact of the matter is these four americans, as i said right when it happened, were people i sent into the field. and i've been very clear about taking responsibility for the fact we were not able to prevent their deaths. and we are doing everything we can to make sure we prevent it in part because there are still diplomats around the world who are in very dangerous, difficult situations. and we don't have time to be playing these kinds of political games here in washington. we should be focused on what are we doing to protect them? and that's not easy, by the way. it's going to require resources and tough judgments and tough calls. and there are a whole bunch of diplomats out there who know they're in harm's way. and there are threat streams that come through every so often with respect to our embassies and our consulates.

and that's not just us, by the way. the british have to deal with the same thing. and we've got a whole bunch of people in the state department who consistently say, you know what, i'm willing to step up, i'm willing to put myself in harm's way because i think that this mission is important in terms of serving the united states and advancing our interests around the globe. and so we dishonor them when we turn things like this into a political circus. what happened was tragic. it was carried out by extremists inside of libya. we are out there trying to hunt down the folks who carried this out. and we are trying to make sure we fix the system so that it doesn't happen again. >> thank you. on the issue of the opposition in syria. we have not made the decision to arm opposition groups in syria. what we've done is we have amended the eu arms embargo in

order that we can give technical assistance and technical advice. and as i said in my statement, that's exactly what we're doing. we're continuing to examine and look at the eu arms embargo and see whether we need to make further changes to it in order to facilitate our work with the opposition. i do believe that there's more we can do alongside technical advice, assistance, help, in order to shape them, in order to work with them. and to those who doubt that approach, i would just argue that, look, if we don't help the syrian opposition who we do recognize as being legitimate who signed up to a statement about a future for syria that is democratic, that respects the rights of minorities, if we don't work with that part of the opposition, then we shouldn't be surprised if the extremist elements grow. so i think being engaged with the syrian opposition is the right approach. and that is an approach i know i share with the president and with other colleagues in the european union.

james landel, bbc. >> prime minister, you're talking about a new eu trade deal and now members of your party are talking about leaving the european union. what is your message to them and those pushing for an early referendum? and if there were a referendum tomorrow, how would you vote? and, mr. president, earlier this year you told david cameron that you wanted a strong uk and a strong eu. how concerned are you that members of david cameron's cabinet are now openly contemplating withdrawal? and on syria if i may question to both of you, what gives you any confidence that the russians are going to help you on this? >> well, first of all on the issue of the referendum, look, there's not going to be a referendum tomorrow and there's a very good reason why there's not going to be a referendum tomorrow is because it would give the british public, i think, an entirely false choice between the status quo, which i don't think is acceptable. i want to see the european union change. i want to see britain's relationship with the european

change and improve. so it would be a false choice between the status quo and leaving. and i don't think that is the choice the british public want or the british public deserve. everything i do in this area is guided by a very simple principle, which is what is in the national interests of britain. is it in the national interests of britain to have a transatlantic trade deal that will make our countries more prosperous, that will get people to work, that will help our businesses. yes, it is, and so we will push for this transatlantic trade deal. is it in our interests to reform the european union to make it more open, more competitive, more flexible and to improve britain's place within the european union? yes, it is in our national interest. and it's not only in our national interest, it is achievable because europe has to change because the single currency is driving change for that part of the european union that is in the single currency. and just as they want changes, so i believe britain is quite entitled to ask for and to get changes in response.

and then finally, is it in britain's national interest once we have achieved those changes but before the end of 2017 to consult the british public in a proper, full-on in out referendum, yes, it is. i believe that's the approach we take flt everything driven by what is in the british national interest. that is what i'm going to deliver. it's absolutely right for our country. it has very strong support throughout the country and in the conservative party. and that's exactly what i'm going to do. on the syrian issue, you asked a question, what are the signs of russian engagement? well, i had very good talks with president putin on friday. and, look, we had a very frank conversation in that we have approached this and some extent still do approach this in a different way. i have been very vocal in supporting the syrian opposition and saying that assad has to go, that he is not legitimate. and i continue to say that.

and president putin has taken a different point of view. but where there's a common interest is that it is in both our interests that at the end of this there is a stable democratic syria, that there is a stable neighborhood, and that we don't encourage the growth of violent extremism. and i think both the russian president, the american president, myself, i think we can all see that the current trajectory of how things are going is not actually in anybody's interests. so it is worth this major diplomatic effort, which we are all together leading. this major diplomatic effort to bring parties to the table to achieve transition at the top in syria so we can make the change that country needs. >> with respect to the relationship between the uk and the eu, we have a special relationship with the united kingdom. and we believe that our capacity

to partner with a united kingdom that is active, robust, outward looking and engagedith the world is hugely important to our own interests as well as the world. and i think the uk's participation in the eu is an expression of its influence. and its role in the world as well as obviously a very important economic partnership. now, ultimately the people of the uk have to make decisions for themselves. i will say this, that david's basic point that you probably want to see if you can fix what's broken in a very important relationship before you break it off makes some sense to me. and i know that david's been

very active in seeking some reforms internal to the eu. those are tough negotiations. you got a lot of countries involved. i recognize that. but so long as we haven't yet evaluated how successful those reforms will be. i at least would be interested in seeing whether or not those are successful before rendering a final judgment. again, i want to emphasize these are issues for the people of the united kingdom to make a decision about, not ours. with respect to syria, i think david said it very well. if you look objectively, the entire world's community has an interest in seeing a syria that is not engaged in sectarian war,

in which the syrian people are not being slaughtered, that is an island of peace as opposed to potentially an outpost for extremis extremists. that's not just true for the united states. that's not just true for great britain. that's not just true for countries like jordan and turkey that border syria, but that's also true for russia. and, you know, i'm pleased to hear that david had a very constructive conversation with president putin shortly after the conversation that had taken place between john kerry and president putin. i've spoken to president putin several times on this topic. and our basic argument is that as a leader on the world stage, russia has an interest as well as an obligation to try to

resolve this issue in a way that can lead to the kind of outcome that we'd all like to see over the long-term. and, look, i don't think it's any secret that there remains lingering suspicions between russia and other members of the g-8 or the west. it's been several decades now since russia transformed itself and the eastern bloc transformed itself, but, you know, some of those suspicions still exist. and part of what my goal has been, john kerry's goal has been and i know david's goal has been to try to break down some of those suspicions and look objectively at the situation. if in fact we can broker a peaceful political transition that leads to assad's departure

but a state in syria that is still in tact that accommodates the interests of all the ethnic groups, all the religious groups inside of syria, and that ends the bloodshed, stabilizes the situation, that's not just going to be good for us, that will be good for everybody. and we're going to be very persistent in trying to make that happen. i'm not promising that it's going to be successful. frankly, sometimes once sort of the fury's been unleashed in a situation like we're seeing in syria, it's very hard to put things back together. and, you know, there is -- there are going to be enormous challenges in getting a credible process going even if russia is involved. because we still have other countries like iran and nonstate

actors like hezbollah that have been actively involved. and frankly on the other side we've got organizations like that are essentially affiliated to al qaeda that have agenda beyond getting rid of assad. all that makes a combustible mix, it's going to be challenging. but it's worth the effort. what we can tell you is that we're always more successful in any global effort when we've got a strong friend and partner like great britain by our side and strong leadership by prime minister david cameron. thank you very much everybody. >> president obama and british prime minister david cameron in the east room. they took questions from reporters. there was a lot on their plate talking about the global economy, talking about what to do in syria. but obviously the first question from the american reporter was about the irs scandal.

gloria borger, and benghazi. talk about benghazi. president obama called the debate over the talking points. he called it a sideshow. said there was no there there. >> right. clearly dismissive is the word i would use about the benghazi scandal. he said why would you ever think this was a cover-up when what was being said in those e-mails was essentially the evolution of what he himself knew? he said that we came out very clearly and said this was politically motivated. he said it defies logic that these republicans are out to get hillary clinton and are out -- he knows they're out to get him. and that they're besmirching pickering and mullen. basically saying we are dis honoring the people who died there when he called this basically a political circus. so obviously he was not giving an inch on benghazi.

and it's very clear that he sees this as a political attack rather than anything that needs to be looked at internally at the white house or the cia or the state department. absolutely saying no cover-up whatsoever. >> and chief white house correspondent jessica yellin who was in the east room. president obama on one hand saying that the benghazi talking points issue is a sideshow, there's no there there. but having a very different tone when it comes to the scandal about the irs targeting conservative and tea party groups. >> that's right, jake. first on the benghazi. i have to tell you i'm not surprised by the tone he took. inside this building as you well know they find this digging around about the talking points and the e-mails sort of ridiculous and just sort of politics as usual because they argue as you heard him say not only has capitol hill had these talking points for many months and the e-mails about them and

so the outrage seems sort of to them new, but it's sort of just the politics and what really matters is what happened on the ground. and they've explained. so they just think, you know, we're all engaged in a silly game of political gotcha. not new to hear that. on the irs issue, you know, i just saw the head of the rnc, reince priebus, tweet that he was surprised the president did not apologize or lay out a plan of action to hold anyone accountable in his answer. now, having covered the president for some time, you know he doesn't like to get ahead of the process. and so the i.g. report has yet to come out, that's their own investigation into what went wrong. and so it sounds he said he doesn't want to say what will happen yet. but i would suspect that he will lay out some specifically what they plan to do once we know

what it is in this i.g. report. his language is pretty strong. he called it, you know, outrageous about as damning as you can get from a president. so he's put himself in a very clear position where he has to take some sort of action or has to make sure the irs takes some sort of action next. it's an independent agency, so there is a bit of a wall there. but he is making it clear that there has to be some consequence if there was wrongdoing at all, jake. >> jessica yellin in the east room of the white house. now let's go to capitol hill where chief congressional correspondent dana bash is waiting to tell us what the response has been from the president's republican friends, the loyal opposition and what they thought of president obama's comments about both the irs scandal and the benghazi talking points controversy which president obama called a sideshow. dana. >> well, as you can imagine,

jake, republicans are unsatisfied. i think that's probably the understatement of the year with what the president said about benghazi. let's start there. first and foremost the idea he called it a sideshow from republicans point of view and just in general really doesn't answer the question of why these talking points were changed and more specifically why the white house said it was something that was stylistic really up until last week and hasn't directly answered the question about the fact that al qaeda was taken out, that the idea of this was a protest was still in there, that the president talked about the video at the u.n. a couple weeks later. all of that continued to be part of the white house narrative even though the administration and broader community knew that that was not the case. so those are still questions that republicans are asking. in fact, as the president was speaking, jake, the house oversight chairman, darrell

issa, released a formal invitation or at least announcement that he is going to have the two co-chairs of the internal state department investigation, toms pickering and mike mullen, he's going to have them for at least a private interview first, which has not happened yet about their findings which republicans do not think were all that impressive. and then i'm told that they are likely going to eventually have a public hearing. so that's on benghazi. on the irs, you heard jessica report on what the republican chair tweeted, but i can tell you that it is obviously a very different kind of dynamic with the irs because on that you have democrats and republicans alike tripping over themselves to get out there and say that they too think it's outrageous and they're going to investigate as well. >> chief congressional correspondent dana bash on capitol hill. now let's go around the world to cairo, egypt, where cnn's arwa damon is reporting. arwa, lots in the president's comments about both syria and of course about benghazi. your thoughts on either or both.

>> well, when it comes to benghazi, of course that is the same rhetoric the administration has been maintaining all along. they do also acknowledge that the u.s. grossly underestimated the level of security threat that actually existed against it at the time of that attack. and that of course is a matter of great debate. the issue is given all of the markers that there were prior to this devastating attack on the u.s. consulate and then of course the annex, why were more measures not really being put into place and perhaps more importantly at this stage the president also saying that they vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice shortly after the attack took place, well, that still hasn't happened to date. and it's not really clear at this point what sort of pressure the u.s. is trying to put on the libyan government to go after these attacks because these extremist groups that exist especially in the eastern part of the country, they are growing more powerful by the day with

many libyans saying that it is also because there has been no accountability following this attack. and that allowed these various extremist groups to grow even more imbolden. when it comes to syria, jake, this is obviously a very, very difficult situation for the u.s. and allies as they keep on highlighting. but the bottom line when it comes to syria is that the international community really needs to decide how it is going to take serious action. because what we have unfolding in syria right now is very much the worst case scenario. and that country has sadly become a self-fulfilling prophesy where in syria too it is these extremist groups that are gaining more power on the ground, more credibility as the military fighting force against the regime. and that of course is going to lend itself to even greater problems if and when the regime should fall, jake. >> all right. cnn international correspondent arwa damon, thank you so much. she's in cairo. speaking of syria, i would just like to remind our viewers

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welcome to "around the world." i'm suzanne malveaux. >> and i'm michael holmes. thanks for your company today. let's begin with the return of o.j. simpson to court. of course he captured the world's attention during his ex-wife's murder trial 20 years ago now. >> so at this hour one day of a five-day hearing on the 2008 conviction. this is for robbery, assault, kidnapping as well. at the time he was sentenced to 33 years in prison. well, he has since served five years. now he's appealing on grounds that his attorney might have

given him bad advice during the original trial. >> yeah. we're live in las vegas right now. paul, first of all, i think a lot of people watching are going to say what'd he look like? >> well, michael and suzanne, o.j. simpson is noticeably older. he's 65 years old now. he will turn 66 in july. he's also according to his attorneys very arthritic. he was somewhat bent over. his hair very closely cropped. and it is certainly turned grey in those four years he spent at the love lock prison in northern nevada. he had a long drive down here to las vegas we understand in a bus and came here on friday night. but according to his new defense team, he is optimistic that he does have some sort of chance, a hail mary to use a football term, that this trial will somehow be found to -- well, they will find him a new trial here on grounds that he was not served very well by his previous

attorney. >> all right. of course it's going to be an interesting ride here in the vegas courtroom with simpson's attorneys expected to actually bring up 20 points of contention. i want to bring in our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin joining us from new york. you've followed this from the very beginning 20 something years ago, even wrote a book about the whole thing. >> oh, my goodness. >> he never goes away. he's back again today for a couple things. he clearly looks pretty bad. it looks like he's aged a lot. gained some weight here, but what is his contention here? what is he actually trying to fight for? >> well, just to remind people what this case is about. in 2007 there was a bizarre altercation at a low-rent las vegas hotel casino where o.j. and some of his buddies went to a room and attempted to get some memorabilia that they said still belonged to o.j. there you see on the screen some of the security camera video. one of the people o.j. was with

had a gun. there was a confrontation. ultimately all of the people involved were arrested. everybody pled guilty, except for o.j., and had very low sentences, suspended sentences or very low sentences. o.j. simpson got nine to 33 years. he's not even eligible for release until 2017. he's now charging that in that trial his lawyer, yale gallanter, a very well-known lawyer from florida that it was so bad in assistance of council violating the sixth amendment to the constitution. that's a very, very difficult case to make. judges are very reluctant to overturn convictions on the basis of ineffective assistance, but that's what this hearing is about. and i think his chances of success are remote. >> i want to ask you one thing, jeff.

one of the arguments is that his attorney never told him about a possible plea deal. if there had been, he'd taken it, he'd been out by now, is there a ground there? >> well, a couple of things there, michael. first of all, we don't know what the plea offer was, if there was any plea offer at all. second, that's the kind of thing where his attorney's recollection may be very different from his own. this puts an attorney in a very difficult position because it's always the job of an attorney to do whatever is best for the client. but at this point the attorney's integrity is being challenged and he now has interests that are very different from o.j. simpson. i think plea negotiations are almost never -- not always, but almost never a ground for overturning a conviction. but it will be very important to

hear what the attorney says about those negotiations rather than simply rely on what o.j. says about it. >> all right. jeffrey toobin, i understand that we are going to see him take the stand, o.j., i think later in the week, i think that's wednesday actually. so we'll be watching every day, a five-day proceeding. thank you, jeffrey. appreciate it. turning our attention now to the growing rage over a weekend of bombings killed 47 people, this was in turkey. >> it was. it's all happening in a turkish town on the syrian border. this is what's interesting, turkey's government believes some of its own citizens were behind the attacks. officials blaming a group whose leadership that fled to syria years ago say there are syrian links. syria says officially the regime says they had nothing to do with it. >> dozens of people marched in the streets of turkey today, some calling for the government to resign. and pakistan has a new leader. and that may signal a major shift in relations with the united states. nawaz sharif seems to have won the election marking the first

transition between civilian governments in the country's history. >> but the centerpiece of his campaign -- or one of them anyway, he talked a lot about the economy, but he said he was going to end u.s. drone strikes in pakistan and also said he was going to talk to the taliban. president obama says he looks forward to working with the new government. it's going to be interesting to see how that unfolds. >> and coming up -- >> do you worry now that people will always suspect that you actually did have a role? >> speaking out for the very first time in a cnn exclusive, pedro and onil castro talk about their brother ariel's alleged crimes up next. man: how did i get here? dumb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money.

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when ariel castro was arrested on charges of kidnapping and raping three women for more than a decade in his cleveland home, police also arrested his two brothers showing their faces now to the world. >> yeah. in the minds of a lot of people looking at those mugshots, all three men were somehow attached to the crime. but last thursday police released pedro and onil castro saying neither man had anything to do with the alleged abductions and torture of amanda berry, gina dejesus and michelle knight. >> so now for the first time since being released, both men sat down and talked exclusively with cnn's martin savidge about their brother and the whole ordeal. >> yeah. they're grateful that the girls are safe, they say. and they are haunted at the same time by missed clues, hunted by the media as well. they say they're receiving death threats online for something they say they didn't do. >> you all went to your mom's for dinner. >> yeah. we went to mom's for dinner.

>> the first sign of trouble for you and you were riding back in the car with ariel, the first indication of a problem was what? >> when he pulled in mcdonald's. around the corner not very far from mama's house. he pulled in mcdonald's, in my mind i'm wondering why are we pulling here, we just ate. do you have to go to the bathroom or anything? he says, no, they pulled me over. they're behind me. i didn't know it was bright and sunny, i didn't see no flashing lights. >> the police were behind him. >> yes, sir. and he says the cops are back there. he pulled us over. i said what'd you do, run a stop sign or red light or something? he says, no, no. i don't know. and by that time the officer was on his side asking for his id. and they took his id and there was an officer next to me there and he hadn't asked me for my id yet. but i figured he's there so i go like this and i go you want my

id too? and he went for his weapon. and i said what's going on? i haven't done anything, sir. what's going on here? he says all i can tell you is you're in for some serious allegations. >> what was the first sign of trouble for you that day? >> i was sleeping. and i don't remember the police in my room. i was thinking because i had an open container warrant. so i didn't know what -- i thought they was taking me in cause of that. >> let me walk you through a bit of this so that everyone clearly understands. when you were arrested on monday and brought in, were you told why you were under arrest?

>> absolutely not. >> no. >> you had no idea? >> no. >> no. >> not for 48, maybe 36 to 48 hours later. >> pedro, when did you become aware? >> well, there was an inmate that didn't speak english, so i translated for her. so then i asked her now that i help you, can you help me? >> this is to the officer? >> yes. and she said, sure, what you want to know? i said i want to know what am i being charged for. so she said, okay, i'll go see. so she comes back and she's got a piece of paper written down whatever i was in for. cause i didn't have my reading glasses, i looked and i say open container. she goes, no, read it again. and i said, oh, kidnapping?

what's this? kidnapping? >> could you talk? were the two of you able to talk to one another while in jail? >> no. >> couldn't communicate? >> no. >> you were in separate cells? >> uh-huh. >> they told us not to, so i didn't. >> where was ariel? >> ariel was more towards the front on suicide watch. >> he was in a cell what they call the bullpen. how do i know this? cause i seen it when they took me to get my medication. >> did he ever go past you? did you ever see him? >> i did. cause in where he was at, there's no toilet. so across the -- from my cell, there was one open. so he came there to use it. then that's when i seen him. and when he came out, he said peace to me. >> so evidently that happened

with him aware when he walked past me he goes, onil, you're never going to see me again. i love you, bro. that was it. >> when did you become aware of what he did? >> shortly after that the detective took me in the room and started asking me questions and showing me pictures of the girls. when he showed me pictures of the girls asking me do you know these girls? he showed me first, i can't even tell you which one he showed me first, but he said have you ever seen this girl? and i said, no, i have never seen that girl. and then he showed me the other one. have you ever seen this girl? i said, no, i have never seen that girl. and he says that's gina dejesus and amanda berry. and my heart felt -- i just dropped, not physically, but just hit the ground. after he said that's amanda berry and they were in your brother's house. >> you knew who these girls were? >> from the picture, i couldn't recognize -- oh, i told them

they don't look like the girls that have been pinned up and posted up. he says, yeah, that's how malnourished they are. >> so you're in this interrogation room and suddenly the police officer is showing you these photos and said that they are in your brother's home and you were expressing how you felt. it was just a physical feeling? >> oh, it was just heart dropping. it was just terrible when they said it's amanda berry and gina dejesus and they were in your brother's house. i just couldn't believe it because, you know, there was no signs of anything like that. i seen no signs. >> you had been to the house? >> yes. >> you would go to the house? >> yes. >> i mean, how often? >> no, no. not how often. i didn't go to his house very much. but when i did, he would let me in. go past the kitchen. i would sit down.

and the reason why we would go in the kitchen because he had alcohol. he would take me in the kitchen and give me a shot. >> but when you'd go in the house, he would be specific then to stay in the kitchen? or it just seemed that you stayed in the kitchen? >> yeah. i wasn't allowed past the kitchen. >> could you see anything beyond the kitchen? >> no. cause there's curtains. >> he had the house blocked off with curtains? >> uh-huh. >> he say why? >> he told me i think it was wintertime and he said he wanted to keep the heat in the kitchen because the gas bill. >> and what about could you hear anything in the home? >> no. the radio was playing all the time. >> he would play music all the time? >> yeah. if not the radio, the tv.

something had to be on at all times in the kitchen. so i couldn't hear nothing else but the radio or the tv. >> didn't any of that strike you as unusual or strange? >> no because ariel to me he was a strange dude. i mean, it didn't phase me none. and another thing, i seen ariel with a little girl at mcdonald's. and i asked him who's that. and he said this is a girlfriend of mine. >> the daughter belonged to a girlfriend of his? >> yes. and then i said, well, where's she at? she's at metro. she's taking care of somebody at metro. okay. so i left it at that.

and i left. cause he's with this little girl and they're going to have breakfast. then about three weeks later i seen him -- i seen his truck at burger king. and then again he's with this little girl. and then i question him where's the mother. oh, she had to do something. so i just let it go. >> you believed him? >> i believed it. but i had no idea that that little girl was his or amanda's. >> a monster. that is how onil castro thinks of his brother ariel now. we're going to hear more about what onil and pedro wish they could say to their brother's victims. this is part two of cnn's exclusive interview right after this.

we are back with more of cnn's exclusive interview with pedro and onil castro, the brothers of the cleveland kidnapping suspect ariel castro. they were arrested last week shortly after of course those three young women and child were rescued from captive after ten years. >> and police then released

pedro and onil saying neither man had anything to do with the alleged abductions and torture. now, they are talking exclusively to cnn for the first time since their release. >> they sat down with our martin savidge to talk about their brother and this whole ordeal. >> did you in any way know, help, assist your brother in the horrible things he's accused of doing? >> absolutely not. no idea that this horrific crime was going on. >> pedro? >> no. >> you know there are people who will say you had to know. how is it possible for so long in that home your brother, you couldn't know? >> for those people out there, let me tell you something, i had nothing to do with this. and i don't know how my brother

got away with it for so many years because that would never cross my mind. >> he fooled you. >> he fooled me cause i used to go there more than he did to work on cars, clean the yard, you know, help him out and stuff. but never go beyond the kitchen. >> onil, there was nothing? >> absolutely nothing that i can see that was unusual in that backyard. i can't say in the house because i haven't been in the house in years. >> do you worry now that people will always suspect that you actually did have a role? >> absolutely. >> yes. >> and the people out there that know me, they know that onil castro is not that person. has nothing to do with that.

>> i could never think of doing anything like that. if i knew that my brother was doing this, i would not be -- i would not -- in a minute i would call the cops. because that ain't right. but, yeah, it's going to haunt me down because people going to think pedro got something to do with this. and pedro don't have nothing to do with this. if i knew, i would have reported it. brother or no brother. >> what is your brother to you now? >> a monster, hateful. i hope he rots in that jail. i don't even want them to take his life like that. i want him to suffer in that jail. to the last extent. i don't care even freedom, what he has done to my life and his family. >> i feel the same way.

>> to the both of you now he no longer exists? >> right. >> yeah. >> he is gone? >> he's goner. >> almost as if he were dead. >> the monster's a goner. i'm glad that the -- he left the door unlocked or whatever he did, whether he did it on purpose. maybe he wanted to get caught. maybe time was up. maybe he was inside too much. he wanted to get caught. but if he did it that way, he shouldn't have went to mama's house and picked me up and put me in the car if he knew that was going to happen. >> if you could talk to gina, michelle, amanda, and in a way you are i guess, what would you say? >> i would tell her that i'm sorry that you had to go through this. i was thinking about these girls being missing. i'm just grateful that they're home and, you know, out of that

horrible house. i just tell them that i'm sorry for what ariel done. cause, see, not much -- felix, i know him for a long time, and when i found that ariel has gina, i just broke down. i just broke down. cause it's shocking. ariel, we know this guy for a long time, felix. >> this is gina's father. >> yeah. felix. and you got his daughter? and you go -- you go around like nothing? you even went to the vigils. you had posters. you give his momma a hug. and you got his daughter

captive? and do what people are saying or police or whatever? >> who does that? >> yeah. who does that? >> monsters. >> people that have no heart. they feel no heart, no feelings, dead. >> onil, the same thing? >> same thing. i just want also the families to get the justice to the fullest extent. and i don't want ever, ever to see anything like that happen to anybody in this world. i know that it's happening and we have no control over it, but if i can do something about it, i will. to stop something like that, i would never let anything like that happen, go onto my worst enemy. this has tore my heart apart. this has killed me.

i am a walking corpse right now. and there's god up there that knows. god's up there and knows that me and pedro are innocent on this. we didn't have the slightest idea of this going on. >> why are you talking to me? >> i wanted the world to know that i did nothing such, i am innocent. like i said, if i'd known anything, i would not keep my mouth shut. i would have done something because i can't believe that ariel was committing such a hateful crime for this long amount of time. acted like nothing happen and no

worries. i want the world to know that onil and pedro, me, pedro, had nothing to do with this. it was a shock to me to learn that my brother, ariel, was doing this. >> onil, i can see the sort of stress in you. i can see that this is something you're physically enduring. >> yeah. it hurts. it hurts a lot. like i said earlier, i woke up out of the nightmare last night. i want to wake up out of this one and i just can't. i didn't want to see today. >> i want to thank you both for talking to us and for sharing with us and opening up to us. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. and i hope the world listens to

us. >> we want our lives back. we want back to normal. i want -- i want -- i want this erased out of my mind like this never happened. i don't want to know this. i don't want this to be true. like i said earlier, i want to wake up out of this nightmare. >> i want to say that i don't want to be hauunted down like a dog for a crime that i did not commit. i don't want to be locked up in my house because somebody out there is going to do harm to me. i want to be free like i was. now i feel trapped for what somebody else did. and it's a family member. that shouldn't -- they should not take it out on the family.

threats of burning up the houses, killing pedro. that's not right. you already got your monster, please give us our freedom. i want the world to know this. >> thank you. thank you both. >> unbelievable story from the two of them. >> extraordinary interview by martin savidge there. unbelievable. o.j. simpson, as you see there, back in court right now trying to avoid spending the next 28 years in prison. >> coming up in the next hour of "cnn newsroom," a key witness from the first trial talks about simp simpson's chances of winning his appeal. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much

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welcome back everyone. crews winding down their search for the missing, the bodies in that collapsed body in bangladesh. officials actually planning to end the recovery effort tomorrow. >> the death toll has now reached 1,127. the last rescue happened friday. that's when crews found a 19-year-old woman alive underneath the rubble. she talked about the experience from her hospital bed. listen. >> translator: i had nothing to eat. i found water and nothing else. i couldn't breathe. for an hour i looked for water and found it. ever so often i'd look for

water. and i found a little bit and drank it. then i didn't find anymore. with a lot of painful effort, i climbed downstairs by using a stick to break through tiny spaces. i called for help, but no one heard me. i heard sounds, but no one heard me. >> incredible. >> an extraordinary child. doctors say she is making what they call a steady recovery. >> some good news. >> at last. >> i like that. that's it for us. thanks for watching "around the world." "cnn newsroom" starts right now. >> see you tomorrow. you're watching "cnn newsroom." i'm ashleigh banfield reporting live. we begin with one eye squarely on a las vegas courtroom, that's because o.j. simpson has made an appearance back in court. want to take you live to that courtroom right now. the reason that simpson is there is he is asking for a brand new trial. he's challenging that 2008 conviction that